Kings Take Tyler Honeycutt With No. 35 Pick In 2011 NBA draft
by Tom Ziller on Jun 23, 2011 7:46 PM PDT
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PrintTyler Honeycutt of UCLA landed with the Sacramento Kings at No. 35 in the 2011 NBA Draft. Honeycutt was projected to go in the first round by many, and is considered a solid value pick. But will he get playing time behind John Salmons? (Just kidding.)
The Kings have the No. 60 pick, but wouldn't be expected to get a legit roster player all the way down there. Honeycutt should compete for a spot in the rotation with Donte Greene. It remains to be seen what happens with Omri Casspi, given the Salmons acquisition.
The Kings haven't added a power forward or center as of yet, which could mean that the team is serious about trying to keep Samuel Dalembert, or that the team is comfortable with Jason Thompson as a starter, or that the team is looking to make an impact in free agency or via trade, or that the Kings just really like Honeycutt and no available big men.
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Casspi for Maynor
Let’s do it.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 23, 2011 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It might not be tonight
But there will be more moves. Mark it down.
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we now have FIVE small forwards.
There will be more moves. GP aint no Khan.
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He was with the Salmons trade.
Still makes no sense.
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by taking jimmer at 10 we get to pay him several million less than if we had taken him at 7.
and i think they may be looking to trade salmons
600k less this year
and a further reduced amount in years two three and four.
but Salmon's costs us
7 million more than Beno did over the life of his contract.
The money is neither here nor there
They are paying a lot more for Salmons then they were for Udrih. I will be amazed if they can deal Salmons without parting with other assets (Casspi, a future pick).
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by section214 on Jun 23, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would actually be okay with that
if the player we got back was Maynor or a sack of cheese or whatever.
Well money is important because thats what they use to pay the players..
and I think a casspi/salmons trade chip would probably fetch us something decent.. no?
I don't think so
Salmons is just so overpaid, I think we’re stuck with him for awhile.
So, Jimmer@10 + Salmons is more $$$ than Jimmer@7 and Udrih, by a wide berth.
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And 1
I’m getting the feeling that Salmons is going to stay and be our triple threat, he’ll play the 3, guard the 3, and shoot 3’s. The good side of that is hopefully he won’t be allowed to handle the ball much, just catch and shoot.
"Live Long and Prosper." - Spock
If we can pull that off
Either way, this is more about the disappointment of settling on a lesser player yet again. Nobody is expecting another Webber-like trade to take place, but I think we can all agree that Salmons isn’t the marquee (or anywhere near) veteran that we were made to believe was coming.
Fuck, I hope we can dump him. I’m only 31, but have been a fan of this team since 1989, and trudging through each season immediately looking forward to a “better one next year” is wearing thin. Especially after the owners boasted of making positive changes this offseason.
i agree somthing is afoot
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its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Have to agree
I’ve always loved GP and even forgave him for Hawes but this one has me stumped. Mainly cause I loved Biyombo as a complement to Cuz and was ecstatic to see the Kings take him only to be totally bewildered as to why we wanted to essentially trade Biyombo and Beno for Jimmer and Salmons plus more salary. I really hope there is more coming. Otherwise guess I will have to back up my promise to go with GP’s pick no matter.
by ArtemisPrime on Jun 23, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Ya that was a giant wash. Webber flamed out on the Sixers and the Kings never moved those smaller pieces for cap relief.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
yeah but the sixers were able to get webber off their books and move on...
the kings were stuck with the corpse of kenny thomas until the bitter end…
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it would be a good idea to hold your breath while you wait too.
It’ll help pass the time. :-)
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Nice value pick
Obviously a big was more of a need but this was a good value pick I think. I also think this gives some more value for any offseason moves. Something tells me these “draft trades” will extend into the summer too as tumultuous as this has been. But obviously with 6 wings they have depth to move and a need up front.
Stoked on grabbing Honeycutt
Kinda sad that the best news for a lot of us today comes in the form of a second round pick. Not knocking Jimmer, but after the trade talk quieted, it wasn’t a huge surprise that he was picked.
by J Ryan on Jun 23, 2011 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The post draft presser aught to be a hoot.
Salmons? Really Geoff?
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
So stoked we got Honeycutt!
You guys are gonna like him. He does everything and has a lot of potential. Really surprised he fell to 35.
by SacramentoSteve on Jun 23, 2011 8:02 PM PDT reply actions
Great pick at 35
An absolute steal. But I can’t help but be worried with the 5 SF’s on the roster. I really hope Salmons is going to be rerouted elsewhere.
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The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
We gasped at your price
But you won our hearts, Yeti
Now rejoin Brock-ness.
Jimmer, we picked you.
But we had a chance at Knight!
You’d better be good.
Webber and Divac!
Geoff, that was thirteen years back.
Have you lost your touch?
Second rounders: meh.
I just can’t make myself care.
Not after that trade.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011 8:11 PM PDT reply actions 22 recs
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The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
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by ThunderChicken on Jun 23, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a John Bobbitt joke somewhere in the "Honeycutt-Jimmer" draft
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by JediLeroy on Jun 23, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
honeycutt
like honeycutt, but he’s a few years away. upside = matt barnes.
the problem with honeycutt and most of howland’s recruits the last few years is a lack of grit and determination. honeycutt should’ve stayed in school another year. build his body, build skills than enter as a sure fire first rounder. now he’ll be spending the next few years in the d-league.
"When talent is roughly equal," said Westphal, "the competitive guys win. You have to have that in this league. Here's a perfect example: We (the Phoenix Suns) drafted Tim Perry and Dan Majerle the same year (1988). Now, if you get a stopwatch for down and back (baseline to baseline sprint), Tim Perry was faster than Dan Majerle. That's a fact. But if you had them race, Dan Majerle won. I can't explain it. Somehow, he had that drive, that fire, something inside him. If you have enough guys like that, your team starts winning again."
I like Honeycutt
a lot.
Still not happy about seeing Salmons back in Purple.
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Weird
Reply box is still under Dirkula’s post, but my text ended up down here. Either way, fail (but not on the magnitude we witnessed today).
Draft Express's best case/worst case on Honeycutt:
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
right so now we have two Francisco Gracia's
and three other guys who play the 3.
Brad Miller
will be coming back to address any perceived weakness at the 4/5 … if Kings can just get him to restructure his contract. Apparently GP wants to pay him double what the Rockets were paying him. And maybe Hedo since team only has 5 guys to compete at the 3.
If Dalembert leaves, who are our big men??
Just Cousins and Thompson? Are we planning on having Whiteside seriously contribute next year?
You know who we could have used….Biyombo
He's at least pulling some boards and blocking a few shots
I just have a feeling that Dalembert is gone, most likely to Miami. Is Cousins ready to defend all the centers in the league without fouling out? Our big man depth is pretty poor right now.
I'm betting that we're going to add a big or two by the time the season starts
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which season? 2011/12 or 2012/13?
Pardon my cynicism but the way things are going right now, I’m starting to think that we’ll never see basketball again.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 23, 2011 9:06 PM PDT reply actions
Isiah Thomas...
Fill in witty remark on that selection below:
"When the going gets Weird, the Weird turn professional."
(Hunter Thompson)
In my opinion
with the exception of John Salmons, this has been a pretty good night.
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 23, 2011 9:16 PM PDT reply actions
Not necessarilly supporting that trade... but...
the hyperbole against John Salmons and in favor of Beno Udrih has been astounding. I agree that the Trade terms were baffling! Didn’t get it either… Salmon can be a bit of a black hole – yes. But geeze… this poor guy’s become a pariah on these message boards. He averaged 47% FG, 82% FT and over 15pts/game when he was on Sac. Again, i too believe we could have done better for Beno than Salmons contract, but i’m not ready to toss the guy into the wood chipper.
Beno, on the other hand, was good – not great – he did what needed to be done with his set of skills. He was a reliable shooter but a liability on defense. He was ‘servicable’. If he becomes an all-star on Milwaukee i’ll eat my words, but i’m not holding my breath.
Overall, i’m just going to let this thing play out… i’m not jumping off of any bridges. Wish we would have done better, but believe it or not, John Salmons isn’t the worst player in the NBA. He’s not a malcontent or locker room cancer… he’s just overpaid. Weird move on Petrie’s part, but not John’s fault. I’m not losing any sleep tonight.
Jimmertime, yall.
by paleface on Jun 23, 2011 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
but...
he put up those numbers when martin wasnt playing and before tyreke got here. he didnt score like that when he wasnt the main option.
he and tyreke are both ball stoppers. this move is just silly.
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by TrojanCBB on Jun 23, 2011 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Salmons was on our team 3 YEARS ago! Why use those stats!?
It’s a horrible fucking move and we are rightfully pissed.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh...
Without getting long-winded, there’s little I can type without making myself look like a staunch advocate of this trade. Which i’m not.
I know better than to jump in front of the angry mob when their pitchforks are already sharpened and their torches are blazing. One note (just to answer the question including the exclamation point): his stat averages on MIL and CHI were identical to those when he was on Sac… i just used the Sac season(s) as an example… i’m not saying they point out his deficiencies.
Carry on all! Have fun storming the castle!
Here's the thing
If you asked all 30 GMs – if they owned Beno Udrih (with his current contract), would they offer him straight up for John Salmons (with his current contract)? I’d venture 29 of them would say no.
Now that’s what Petrie did, plus he offered to move down three spots in the draft – and quite possibly losing access to a couple players he had ranked higher on his draft board.
In the grand scheme of things, this may not have a negative impact on the future of this team. Unless we know what other SF options are available, and at what price, it’s hard to make that argument.
But from the standpoint of getting fair value for an asset, this was a real “grab your ankles” moment for Petrie.
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by otis29 on Jun 24, 2011 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
A mid college year breakdwon by Seth Davis and an unamed NBA scout
Seth Davis is a wonderful college basketball analyst. Each year, around Jan/Feb he does a player analysis with an NBA scout/executive whom he does not name but obviously respects greatly. He had this to say about the Kings draft choices back then:
Jimmer Fredette, 6-2 senior guard, BYU
There are a lot more believers in him than when the season started. I think he has converted a lot of naysayers. He can score and he’s fearless. He’s not Steve Kerr, because Kerr was a catch-and-shoot guy. Fredette is more like Mark Price. He may not be as quick as Price, but he’s a lot stronger, and Price couldn’t shoot where this kid shoots from at this stage. He doesn’t have to be a real good defender, but I don’t know why with his competitiveness and knowledge he can’t hold his own defensively. People knocked J.J. Redick’s defense, too, but he’s playing for a very good team and contributing
Tyler Honeycutt, 6-8 sophomore forward, UCLA
He just looks the part, doesn’t he? He sometimes leaves you wanting more, but he’s very skilled for his size. Yes, you wish he was tougher and more physical, but they just don’t make a lot of 6-7 and 6-8 kids who can do the things he can do. If he’s not in the lottery he’s going to be close.
Isaiah Thomas, 5-9 junior guard, Washington
I like his moxie. He really competes. He’s a guy you don’t want to count out, but obviously his size is a deterrent. The best thing that happened to him was Abdul Gaddy going down with an injury, which means Isaiah has to run the show. I know he’s short, but his body is strong, so he can take a hit and finish
Let me add that this analysis was done when Sullinger, Jones and Terence Jones where still expected to come out this draft.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 23, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions
Honeycutt
Reminds of KMart for some reason
by FTFeli on Jun 23, 2011 11:44 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
except he can't shoot...watch a UCLA game or 2
I raved about Tristan Thompson and how he was actually pretty skilled with his footwork and finishing as a down low post player and everyone on here and in the media that hadn’t seen him just said “he has no offensive game”. Blogging as great as it is and props to the guys that do a magnificent job here, has turned the average fan or follower into a pollitical sheep, believe what one guy up top says, who may not have any inside legit knowledge, and it is a done deal.
That is what is so much different about the drafts now and 10 years ago…more info, more credible info, quicker info, more bad jumping to conclusions and bad info as well. Gotta really research and “see with your own eyes” to get it…I guess that’s why the real scouts get paid.
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by dannyboy55 on Jun 24, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i always thought honeycutt was a post player. not a wing.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
You're confusing Thompson's ability to score off the ball with the ability to create for himself and others.
Hence, “he has no offensive game.”
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