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We can't have four guys playing perimeter; We need Demarcus to change

I like Jimmer as a complement to Tyreke.  For the past two years, the Kings have solely lacked consistent outside shooting.  They have begged and conjoled Donte Greene, Omri Cassipi, Francisco Garcia, Garrett Temple, Desmond Mason, Chapu, Luther Head, Jermaine Taylor,and Antoine Wright to fulfill that role with inconsistent results at best. During the dark, dark Musselman/Reggie Theus/Kenny Natt debacle, I think many of us got so unused to seeing what competitive non-crazy "Mette World Peace" NBA players look-like that we started believing that Donte, Omri or Cisco could be NBA starters.  They are not more than situational players at best and pretty duplicative in the streaky but slightly below average 3-pt shooters with good rebounding, below average defense [limited lateral quickness (Cisco), smarts and quickness (Omri) and NBA IQ (Donte)], and inability to create their own shot.  Of the lot, I think Donte has potential as a cheap defensive specialist who can defend multiple positions. Cisco is very likeable, can handle the ball in stretches, tries hard, and is truly the only King that provides any modicum of veteran leadership with the loss of Beno.  Moving him is moot because no one would be willing to take his contract without some kind of compensation.

Omri needs to go, although it would be really interesting to go city to city and see herds of Jewish fans intermingling in the visitors section with herds of Mormon fans. Which makes me wonder if Muslim fans ever came out for Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Tariq Abdul-Wahad, and Shareef Abdur-Rahim or if they would have if the Kings would have fielded those three together?  Serbian Orthodox Christians for Peja and Vlade?  The Kings visitors section could be a beacon for religious tolerance.

Sorry, I digress.  Now with Marcus Thornton and Jimmer Fredette rotating outside, a hopefully healthy Tyreke who showed he can get to the rim at will can actually have someone to throw to and actually hit a wide open look when multiple players have to collapse on him.  Jimmer and MT23 both showed higher basketball IQ in understanding how their shooting and driving ability can lead to openings for their teammates which makes the 3 combo guard rotation workable in my eyes.  I think because they have the IQ; they will be better defenders than people give them credit for.  Salmons can give Tyreke a break for having to chase around top 2s all night and also take away some of the ball handling and initiating role.  Since the handchecking rules, no one can keep the CP3s or other top quick point guards out of the lane, so those two would not be any different and probably better than Beno and can make it up by posting up midget guards or shooting over them on the other end.

With Salmons, hopefully a better facilitator considered this team has better offensive options than the last time he was here when him just dribbling for 24 seconds was at times their best option for scoring.  But now with Tyreke, Salmons, Thornton and Jimmer, we're going to need more of an inside presence.

My bigger issue is with coaching and expecting different things from Demarcus.  People on this board have wanted him to be mentored by C-Webb.  That is exactly what I don't want.  C-Webb had a dominant post body but preferred to settle for elbow jumpers which are always going to be much more inconsistent than a physical player bodying up and finishing around the rim.  The settling for jumpers approach also does not draw fouls which minimizes the defensive risk for opposing bigs and would contribute to consistency, which was a problem even for the 2002 team. Now, I love Coachie but he has been the only consistent coach since then and almost all the bigs we've had since then then (Miller, Hawes, and now Cousins) have adopted the Princeton orientation of bigs, created for mismatched bigs, where high post passing and jumpshots are the emphasis.  

Demarcus was dominant, leading the NCAA in PER, when he was banging.  He still has the size and strength to do that in the NBA especially with his unreal quickness, spin and post moves.  But he doesn't.  David ThorpeDraftExpress and Synergy stats have noticed but has the coaching staff?  It took C-Webb a few seasons and injuries to go the "softer" route and it took Malone like 15 before he went all elbow.  It was troubling to see DeMarcus start that way.  As DraftExpress writes, "Unlike many prospects who fail transitioning to the NBA, Cousins' issues aren't due to his skills not translating, but more so of him abandoning everything that made him a great prospect and collegiate player in order to try being a completely different type of player."  The article even mentions that this is the style he played in high school which makes you want advice Otis Hughley, his HS coach, now on the Kings sideline is giving him.  

With the very real possibility that Sammy will want to go a contender, the Kings need to find a Dalembert like post presence to complement DeMarcus which, if we remember, took them about five years to find the first time.  Hassan needs to gain like 50 lbs. to become that and Marc Gasol would be terrific, if he were willing to come.   I think JT has a much better sense of his role as the season progressed but he has his own fouling and body language problems.

I think conditioning was definitely part of the issue, especially for the fouling, and Demarcus was noticeable trimmer by the end of the year.  But part of it is the coach staff defining what it wants out of Demarcus.  I am not sure it helps or hamper to have someone like Dalembert doing what the staff would want Demarcus to do.  I do not think it is for a lack of effort on Demarcus's part.  All things considered, I think he has a passion/fire for winning that the Kings need more of.


(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I did not get your point

About what DMC should change. Seemed like you were saying he should be down low more often and creating in the paint. In my mind he did that and only settled for outside shots when he was fatigued. That should improve with his conditioning, but you seemed to recognize that… I think DMC will be fine creating in the paint once his conditioning improves.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 25, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

I have to disagree with the premise here

Cousins really spent no more time on the perimeter than (say) Divac or Webber. Salmons, Thornton and Evans are all guys that can do their work in the paint and at the rim, be it post ups or back cuts or one-on-one drives to the basket. Cousins also needs to be able to stick that perimeter jumper for the high pick and roll to be effective. Last but not least, he is a very capable passer out of the high post, but that is predicated on the notion that he can take and make the jumper.

Cousins needs to work primarily on two things for this next season – finding his guard on the break and controlling his emotions.

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by section214 on Jun 25, 2011 11:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Should have added

It’s not that Salmons/Thornton/Evans are a substitute for Cousins in the low post, because he does need to spend time there, too – a lot of it. But he also needs to vacate the low post so that these other guys can do their work.

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by section214 on Jun 25, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think people really understand

That if you have a low-post threat who is always in the low post, he draws a defender (and possibly a double team upon catching the ball) which clogs the paint for guys who like to drive to the hoop.

Depending on the play call, DeMarcus might only be “on the perimeter” to draw his defender out. That he has some range to his shot and is a good passer just creates more options on the offense.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 25, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good points

And if Cousins is always in the paint the Tyreke has too many defenders there waiting for him and he gets doubled as well.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 25, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

the then Tyreke

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jun 25, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I liked it the first way better

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by rpmonkey on Jun 28, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t see this as a valid concern. DMC taking what the defense gives him is a good thing, and to be honest I thought the offense ran smoother with him playing the high post looking for cutters and setting picks for the roll or pop. I thought most of his problems came from ISO plays down low too, seems to be where most of the traveling, charging, turnovers, and forced shots came from. He has the ability to post up and their will be plays called for just that, but might as well use his other weapons if they help put the points on the board.

by Crocoduck on Jun 25, 2011 12:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

No

He shot plenty from the elbow before the injury, too.

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by section214 on Jun 25, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep -

Even the emergence in Zach Randolph’s game can be attributed to his improved mid-range jumper. It opened up everything for him, including the passing lanes.

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by section214 on Jun 25, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point

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by MustangMBS on Jun 25, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jun 26, 2011 7:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's a little optimistic to say that 'Reke plays the perimeter yet.

In fact, at this point in his career, he’s pretty much confined to the paint. Ha ha.

(Though, to be fair, his 3-pt percentage improved incrementally last year, and his midrange jumper showed some signs of improvement – but let’s just say opposing defenses aren’t concentrating on stopping those aspects of ’Reke’s game just yet!)

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by napg on Jun 26, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

Post Game

Not sure Webber really trusted his post game, think he was more comfortable at the elbow moving the ball and shooting the elbow jumper.

While Cousins has skill for a big guy I’d still like him with this back to the basket being a threat to take it to the basket for a basket or foul

by Murf on Jun 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

Webber worked down low, too

Usually in the later parts of the game. And don’t forget, Webber and Divac shared low post duties, trading back and forth from high to low post. A lot of times it came down to which opposing player was guarding them and which opposing player the Kings wanted to pull away from the basket.

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by section214 on Jun 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

CWebb was all low post his early years in the League, particularly his rookie year at Golden State

He also had a tried and true jump hook that he drfited away from as he became more enamored with the jump shot.
It is with his quick feet and soft hands that Webber made his name. Those same qualities are what bring the comparisons for DMC

by betweentheeyes on Jun 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be off topic

But Webber started moving back to that hook shot in ‘02 and ’03 leading up to the knee injury. I remember he basically won us a game against Detroit with three late-game hook shots in the ’02-’03 season, when my impression is that the hook was more or less out of his game by ’01.

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by napg on Jun 28, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Age

I think as players get older they get sick of the beating down low and figure if I can hit a few jumpers thats less wear and tear on the body. Karl Malone by the end of his career pretty much was a jump shooter

by Murf on Jun 27, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

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