Is Tyler Honeycutt The Small Forward The Kings Have Dreamt Of?
The Sacramento Kings picked up Tyler Honeycutt with the No. 35 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft last week; it was quite a coup, as Jason Jones had reported in the run-up to the draft that if the Kings could pick up a late first-round pick, Honeycutt was a target. The team handled its immediate concerns at small forward (in theory) by picking up ol' friend John Salmons in the draft day trade involving Beno Udrih and an interesting move down in the lottery. Given that point guard-to-be Jimmer Fredette was the Kings' pick, swapping out Udrih for Salmons alleviates a crowded backcourt while giving the Kings a definite No. 1 option at the three.
But the future of the three remains unsettled; even Salmons' fans would admit that Johnny is neither great enough or young enough to be the small forward to help roll with Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins and Fredette into the fields of glory. It stands to reason, of course, that (should Fredette develop, Cousins meet his potential and Evans bounce back on the path to elite stature) the small forward position will always be one of those sub-elite, "replaceable" spots on the roster. The Spurs, after all, never had an elite center to pair with Tim Duncan once David Robinson retired, and the starting two-guard spot was manned by a faceless succession of roleplayers. The Lakers have been sub-good at point guard for five titles this millennium.
So maybe the Next Great Kings Team won't have anyone of note at small forward. Maybe it'll be a Rasho Nesterovic or Derek Fisher or DeShawn Stevenson.
Or maybe the team will have Tyler Honeycutt.
Honeycutt is no slouch. Rivals rated him the No. 4 small forward in the high school class of 2009, behind Jordan Hamilton (who starred at Texas for two years and ended up with the Nuggets at No. 26), Royce White () and Solomon Hill (). Kawhi Leonard landed at No. 8, Georgetown's Hollis Thompson was No. 12. Scout.com rated Honeycutt as the No. 3 small forward, behind Lance Stephenson (now with the Pacers, but not for long) and Hamilton. Honeycutt was a huge deal coming out of high school. It stands to reason, of course: UCLA doesn't exactly recruit stiffs on the wings.
And Honeycutt was a major factor for the Bruins. I'm not a UCLA fan or follower, and I imagine hardcore Bruins fans consider Honeycutt and his two teams in Westwood to be disappointments. But the kid led the Pac-10 in blocks as a 6'8 small forward, was No. 3 on the team in scoring, No. 2 in rebounding, No. 2 in assists and No. 2 in steals. He hit more threes than any other Bruin, and was the top defender on a good (not at all great, but good) defensive team.
He's rangy (36 percent on threes taking almost half of his shots from that distance), versatile on defense (that many blocks at that position summons Josh Smith comparisons, even if the athleticism is worlds apart) and is said to be -- from both college recruiting and NBA draft scouting reports -- an excellent passer.
In other words, he's the perfect small forward we've all dreamt of.
Like, Nicolas Batum. A younger Shane Battier. A younger, not-angry Tayshaun Prince. And that final one is the most intriguing comparison for me: Tayshaun Prince. Prince developed NBA attributes a bit later: he shot 33 percent on three-pointers in four years at Kentucky, taking roughly the same share (versus two-pointers) as Honeycutt did this season at UCLA. Prince's NBA three-point range arrived pretty quickly, though; he never shot worse than 34 percent and, until the past couple seasons, has always taken around 20 percent of his shots from that distance. (In the post-Billups world, Prince has had to create more of his own offense. That means mid-range jumpers.)
Honeycutt was also a much more prolific shotblocker at UCLA than was Prince at Kentucky, but we'll see if Honeycutt's shotblocking translates. For what it's worth, Kevin Pelton's top statistical comparable for Honeycutt is Louisville enigma Earl Clark, who might actually not be in the NBA next season. Honeycutt is a year younger than was Clark in 2009, a bit smaller but a better long-range shooter and shotblocker. Rebounding and scoring are highly comparable.
Let's revisit that statement above: he's the perfect small forward we've all dreamt of. This is the theory, a theory. We concentrate on Salmons, and I assure you that next season, Paul Westphal will focus on Salmons when drawing his lineup card and sorting out his rotation. Never underestimate the scarring of the small forward volatility from the last two seasons on Westphal. Honeycutt's a young rookie who won't have the advantage of summer league and who may not have a legit NBA training camp, depending on what happens in the lockout. Even if he exceeds expectations from Day 1, he will be up and down. UCLA fans note his occasional (or more) lack of attention and commitment on defense (despite the gaudy block numbers). That needs to be fixed in the NBA. This figures to be an offense like no other, not in terms of quality but in pure confusion as Tyreke Evans learns to play off of the ball, Fredette learns how to run an NBA team, Salmons figures out how he fits in and DeMarcus Cousins and Major Frontcourt Talent To Be Named Later adjust accordingly.
So if Honeycutt is the small forward we've all dreamt of for this team, we won't find out in the 2011-12 season, or maybe the 2012-13 season. This is a long-term project, just as the Sacramento Kings are a long-term project. But after we've risen and fallen with the Donte Greene experience and risen and fallen with Omri Casspi ... it's nice to have another intriguing prospect to toss to the wolves and pray for. Good luck, Tyler. You'll need it.
(The most w-t-f subtext to draft day, for me: we traded for Salmons, who we've always known to be a version of Francisco Garcia. Then we drafted Honeycutt, whose DX best-case is ... Francisco Garcia. Seriously, y'all. As G-Wiss joked over the weekend, The Hydra Lives.)
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havent really seen to much of Honeycutt
in college so i’m not sure if he’s forreal. Only time will tell… its a real bummer there’s not going to be a summer league… Another thought, idk if Honeycutt is the SF of the future, and he may be good or even better than expected, but I would not trade our 2012 pick to pick up help elsewhere at a different position.
Nice work Ziller...
You’re spot on with the small forward conundrum that was Westphal’s nightly challenge. And that’s exactly why Beno’s gone. That, and the fact that, it also delivers more minutes fro Fredette and Thorton. If Honeycutt develops (and isn’t that all you hope for in the last 1st or early 2nd rounds) than the King’s are off and literally running and gunning!
Sports Illustrated had Honeycutt going to the Blazers...
at #21 in their last mock draft. He must be pretty good.
true but you have to wonder what caused him to slip 14 spots to us
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by LaPrimeraLives on Jun 27, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
slip 14 spots to us.
with honeycutt , bad weight lifter( Combine ) but we got a steal . I am heck of happy.
The major frontcourt talent we are supposed to get in FA
does anyone think he could be David West? He averged like 19 and 8 with the hornets and he said he is going to test free agency. Should we try and get him?
He averaged 19 & 8 with CP3 as his playmaker.
I’m a little worried to see his production without that.
And, he also plays in the one position where we already have good depth.
Also, I rather we go for younger players. We need to look beyond 2013 to start reaping the benefits as we’re not near enough to competing to add a guy like DW.
This.
I agree with the CP3 point
Great point guards make mediocre guys look better then they really are. Not sure what David West will do without him.
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You forgot about the minor detail of that season ending ACL injury
Dude could never be the same again after that
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
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by VenomySnicket on Jun 27, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at West's stats in 09-10
CP3 was hurt most of that year. West’s stats were almost identical this season with a healthy Paul. I’d be more worried about his ACL.
by DerekRE_3 on Jun 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Plus, D West is super efficient with his shot selection.
I’d love to have him…if I wasn’t so concerned about the ACL.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
David West is a very good player but his primary skill is scoring
From what I’ve seen over the years, he’s a slightly better version of Carl Landry… And while certainly he’d contribute on this team, he’d also take up a big chunk of money that would be better spent on a player more skilled on the other end of the court.
Again, good player, but probably not the right fit for our “major” offseason acquisition.
Nice offensive player
But just adequate on defense, and on the boards. I dont know if that is what we need to spend big bucks on either. I wouldn’t mind it, but he isn’t ideal in my opinion.
No
Think defense. Assuming this major frontcourt piece comes at the expense of re-signing Sammy D, this hypothetical person is going to have to bring the rebounding and shotblocking
by LPKingsFan on Jun 27, 2011 8:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not real enthused about David West at all with the CP3 and injury issues and likely contract he will require.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jun 27, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm setting the bar really low with all our rookies this year.
I think the crazy awesome ROY campaign Tyreke had made us all expect our rooks to be immediate solutions to our problems.
Honeycutt may be our third SF after Salmons & Omri. I could see Donte moving over to the 4, backing up DMC + JT.
This.
Challenge is....
By trading Beno, Jimmer’s damn near guaranteed significant minutes in the guard rotation. If his development doesn’t exceed the normal rookie timeline, then the Kings are, at best, only marginally better than last year (assuming current roster stays put).
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by ThunderChicken on Jun 27, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Most teams usually give lottery picks a good chunck of minutes their rookie year, unless they openly admit the pick is a project from the start. This is why a lot of picks that don’t pan out usually have their best statistical years as a rookie, before the front office / coaching staff decides to reel it in (think Adam Morrison). I’m expecting the kings to give Jimmer around 30 minutes a game, especially since they seem to really be pushing him to sell tickets, and all the comments that he’s ready to contribute now.
by Crocoduck on Jun 27, 2011 9:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I imagine less than that unless he really excels
I’m thinking more 20-25. I think there’s a good chance we sign a veteran PG on the cheap. 2-3 mil per year for 1-3 years. Kind of a low barrier player for Jimmer to beat out, but also someone who brings a calming presence to the team and who can mentor our younger guards.
I have way too much time to think
But I’d love to see a death match between a ThunderChicken and a Crocoduck.
by Crazy King Man from OZ on Jun 27, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Let's see....
Two knee surgeries……strict high cholesterol dietary regimen……drinks to much……gets winded by walking to side walk to pick up morning paper…..
Yep, I’m your ringer!
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by ThunderChicken on Jun 27, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
from what i've read
Tyler has good passing skills and defensive ability, so after some experience he might start eating more of Omri’s minutes
put me in, Coach
Hoping he is another okay UCLA player that translates better in the NBA...
Like how Russell Westbrook was! I can’t remember his name but someone from NBA TV had Honeycutt as his sleeper pick for ROY before the draft. Said Tyer had all the tools and potential to be the steal of the draft.
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 8:38 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yes thank you!
Kept thinking Anthony? Just couldn’t put it together- but he was super high on Tyler. Definitely made me think of how Westbrook came out and nobody thought he would be this good.
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 8:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Same thing could be said about Kevin Love.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Im guessing he wont see the minutes to be ROY this year
But he could still end up the steal of the draft
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 27, 2011 8:53 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah- think the sleeper pick for ROY was before he fell to the second round ( and to US )
But still hoping there is some of that still in him even if he doesn’t get the minutes.
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 8:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
UCLA
like Westbrook, Kevin Love, Drue Holiday, Darren Collison, Arron Afflalo to name other UCLA alums from recent years that are now in the NBA at least on regular rotations if not starting. IF Honeycutt turns out at least as good as these guys, ill be happy
Agree on the 2-3 year develpment timeline
In a normal NBA year, I’m thinking this kid couldn’t do much better than being 5th or 6th option off the bench, given the logjam at the 3. But no summer league and possibly no training camp could substantially slow Honeycutt’s development. Same issue might apply to Jimmer.
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Most of his early development should come from simply getting stronger
Seems like he has a very good skill set already. Ideally both Honeycutt and Whiteside can grow into our starting 3 and 4 in a couple years. That should more than make up for Jimmer’s supposed defensive liabilities.
That would be amazing.
Out of all the players on the Kings this season, I’d have to say Whiteside is the player I’m rooting for the most.
(I would say Jimmer, but 15-2-5 is a forgone conclusion for him) I’m hoping Whiteside can get 10-12 minutes a game at PF.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I really really really want to see Swat this year
I hope he’s able to break into the rotation.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 27, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
i think this kids minutes
will end up a lot like KMart…..his first 2 years he will be baried on the bench, but will do great things once on the court, Then his 3rd year, he will be starting over Casspi…..but i feel Casspi’s personality is better coming off the bench
i feel Casspi’s personality is better coming off the bench
If only Casspi felt this way.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe having a better player in front of him will help.
Assuming that Salmons is better than Casspi. It would probably be easier for him to accept if he felt that the player in front of him was better, or at least worked harder.
True.
It would probably be more easy to accept a role off the bench when you know the guy in front of you is plainly better.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I liken Tyler Honeycutt to another LA prospect - Trevor Ariza
Lots of talent and athletecism with some questions about consistency and focus. (Ariza was a high school product out of LA’s Westminster. Wikipedia tells me that he was the second youngest Knick to play 80 games in a season and that was under Larry Brown – both a compliment to Ariza and perhaps part of the damning of LB during that contentious NY Knicks season)
well
Trevor Ariza – 6’8" 210 – gangly
Francisco Garcia – 6’7" 195 – ganglier
Tyler Honeycutt – 6’8" 190 – gangliest
At 20 years old I suspect given a strength and conditioning program and proper diet along with the aging process, Honeycutt will be less gangly in the future.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 27, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds a lot like a taller Francisco Garcia to me
Hopefully he doesn’t take after Cisco’s durability.
I like Honeycutt, and I think he could develop into our starting SF of the future, but not for 2-3 years at the least.
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by elfboy_ on Jun 27, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also,
what’s with this guy’s Augustus Caesar haircut?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 9:52 AM PDT reply actions
Honeycutt year 3
I saw Honetcutt play live 2 times. I think if things fall in place he will be the starter in year 3.
He sees the court better than many PG and is a willing passer, in other words he can become one of the best passing SF in the league.
I have friend who works at UCLA who says he is a very hard worker.
by rivercitysports on Jun 27, 2011 9:57 AM PDT reply actions
Kid sounds amazing
What is it that kept him from being a top prospect? Seems to have good size and length, shooting ability, high IQ, decent athleticism, decent defensively, good passing…
What’s his weakness?
Ive been hearing-
That he has a low motor and not alot of drive.
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 11:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm starting to like Honeycutt more and more
and if section likes him, count me in on him
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The only thing that comes to mind is
why the hell GP did not draft Section?
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by Panzerfaust on Jun 27, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've heard (secondhand) they are miniscule.
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by ElRonToro on Jun 27, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Among other things...
-low motor/disinterested
-makes poor decisions
-average man defender despite great length and good athleticism (perhaps this was related to his lack of interest)
-lack of strength (and he did not seem to improve his body from his Fr. to So. years at UCLA)
-shot better this year, but still not a good shooter and struggles to create anything for himself
-poor finisher at the rim (I’ve seen him miss the rim on an open layup attempt…)
-plays out of control at times (see: makes poor decisions and a poor finisher – I don’t think that’s a coordination issue)
All that said, he still has a lot of tools/physical attributes that make him a very good (but raw) prospect, and his shooting did definitely improve from his Fr. to So. seasons. At 35, I think he’s a great player to roll the dice on.
Whoa, whoa, we just wanted one or two superficial flaws.
Not seven stakes through the heart. Don’t you understand that we’re in the Tyler Honeymoon Period, trying to picture him as a sleeper ROY and the best passing SF in the L?
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While I like Honeycutt's potential, he is very raw still.
As someone who watched almost every UCLA game – his help D was great at times, but his man defense was average at best (his lateral movement was not very good, and he was often beat off the dribble). Malcolm Lee was UCLA’s best perimeter defender, and it wasn’t even close. I think the potential is there, but he obviously needs to add strength and get his head on straight (he often seemed disinterested… I hope that was a reflection of a lack of commitment to UCLA rather than to basketball in general).
In terms of offense – his range seems to be improving, and he does have very good vision for a small forward. However, his decision-making was poor, so his vision often led to turnovers as he tried to make impossible passes (or just did not execute).
All in all, I like the pick a lot at 35, as he does have some great tools/potential… here’s to hoping he has the work ethic and drive to translate that into our future SF.
I watched almost all of UCLA's games as well
And Honeycutt had flashes of brillance. It just seemed like times he didn’t care or seemed not to get the ball as much as he should have. Like you said, his decision making was pretty bad. But, he has all the tools. I’d often find myself watching UCLA and wondering why this kid wasn’t one of the best players in the Nation — he had all the tools and the ability. I hope to pushes himself, works hard, learns and improves his decision making…and who knows, looking back on this draft in 2015, this could be one of the real steals. He has a good chance at being VERY GOOD! I loved this pick.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 27, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Maturity
Under developed physically n mentally. Whether honeycutt succeeds with the kings will come down to how fast he matures. Word around ucla was that many of the underachieving bruins had too much of a certainty affinity for a vice that bob marley would approve of. Hope he succeeds. Time wil tell.
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by kingsbruins02 on Jun 27, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 27, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love me some Delonte and think he is going to get his career back on track
but not going to happen here
by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't it the same case with Omri?
As far as I remember there were similiar posts about our Casspi a while ago, guess three time (Donte, Omri, now Tyler) has to be a charm. Casspi was projected to be a good 3pt shooter as well as defender (especially after some game vs Lakers where he was the be(a)st guarding Kobe). I have a dream of those two guys (Tyler and Casspi) to be our future SFs. Would be possible to get rid of Salmons along with S&T Dalembert to get for example Nene? Then our team would have a perfect material to work on while taking the road to the playoffs, I presume.
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I never thought Donte
had the abilities to make it. He is athletic, but his basketball skills aren’t on par with Casspi. Honeycutt has way more tools than Donte.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 27, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Higher upside with Honeycutt
Don’t remember the Casspi posts about his defense but he has always lacked lateral quickness to be a very good man to man defender. He’s more of a straight line speed guy. On offense he’s a good spot up shooter and a great finisher on the fast break. His awkward shooting motion makes it a bit difficult for him to have a fast enough release when he’s on the move. Overall I see Casspi as a good bench player.
I have watched numerous UCLA games and follow the team. Honeycutt’s problems with defense seem to be attributed to lack of focus/effort. He seems to display adequate lateral quickness but sometimes gets caught playing to upright in man to man defense… almost like he’s not expecting the player to challenge him. He also gets caught “ball watching” and loses his man when playing weak side defense. Other times, despite his length, he gets bullied underneath because of his lack of strength. He gets rebounds and block shots due to his quick jumping ability and sense of timing.
On offense he plays well without the ball. He knows how to use screens and move to the open spot. He has a nice quick and fluid high release that allows him to get his shot off. He’s good hitting shots off of screens or spotting up. He has a solid turnaround jumper when he posted on a smaller player. Really lacks any sort of ball handling skills. Added strength will really help his attacking game because I think he often gets knocked off balance. Displays good court awareness but needs to learn that the easy play is most often the best play.
With a much smoother release and more athleticism, Honeycutt has greater potential than Casspi. He won’t be much of a shot creator but that’s not what the team needs. They need a guy who knows how to play off the ball and knock down open shots. He can do that now. On defense he has a lot of potential with his length and timing but I question his determination on that side of the ball. Also, he must add strength before he’s ready to contribute on an NBA level.
… As for Donte
I gave up on Donte a long time ago. He seems like a nice guy and all but I don’t think he has the work ethic to cut it. I’d like to see him get moved because he may be influencing Jason Thompson in a negative way (just my hunch).
by abasketballfan on Jun 27, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Resurrect the Hydra of Mediocrity!!
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by Mityt on Jun 27, 2011 10:55 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
This is really insightful. I completely agree.
This figures to be an offense like no other, not in terms of quality but in pure confusion as Tyreke Evans learns to play off of the ball, Fredette learns how to run an NBA team, Salmons figures out how he fits in and DeMarcus Cousins and Major Frontcourt Talent To Be Named Later adjust accordingly.
And it scares the hell out of me. Do we have Salmons, Evans, and Cousins all taking turns driving into the paint now? It was bad enough last year when teams just collapsed on the paint. At least we had Beno’s occasional stop and pop.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
But....
Now instead of the stop-n-pop we have the dreaded pull-up from just inside halfcourt. Defend that!!!
Not since J-Will have we had such an unguardable weapon. BTW, the first time he pulls up from anywhere but just behind the line I will throw up right in my mouth.
by Mityt on Jun 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If our team could learn how to pass....
The team could be good as is- we all know in the day passing was a huge part ofthe Kings success. I think Demarcus has it in him for sure (just needs the experience) I worry about Tyreke sometimes… MT23 has an okay passing game. We have scorers… They just need to get them the ball in the right places- what do y’all think?
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 11:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree
Jimmer and Reke seem to complement each other really well. Although Jimmer was ball-dominant in college, he can also play off the ball. We can even play him like Ray Allen at times, rolling off screens, and he can hit the cutter when the guy guarding the screener pops out to double him. PW has so many more options on offense when Jimmer is on the floor. Throw in the best passing big man in the league (DMC) who can catch the ball in the high post and low post, as well as Reke who can get into the paint at will, I really don’t think offense will be much of a problem. I’m still a little worried about how Salmons will fit in on offense, but I think PW will encourage them to run and be fun and creative on the offensive end, to the point where they will become willing passers.
I am really curious whether Jimmer and Tyreke will work well together.
it’s a gamble but I think worth trying out given the spot we were in. Here’s a funny line that I felt was somewhat appropriate from the Simmons draft diary.
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by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
This is my question for anyone who reads this...
Let me know how you feel about this- I’m getting to the point where I’m tired of worrying about " who can play with Tyreke " so this is what has gone on- Traded Kevin Martin cus he couldn’t play with Reke- questions about Marcus Thornton “can he play with Evans?” Now it’s J Salmons and Jimmer! When will it end? When is finally going to be about “can Tyreke Evans play team ball?” we shouldn’t have to worry about who can play with Reke. This is my question! Does anybody feel like here on STR we worry too much about who fits well with Reke?
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
When you draft a player like Reke and things aren't really working out like you had hoped
These are the type of things that are going to keep bubbling up until you start winning games with him. When we went on that big winning streak early on his rookie year, I don’t think many people were worried about who was paired with him in the backcourt.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it all comes down to our team learning how to pass
In my opinion (and I’m not some kind of super fan of) but Kevin Martin should have been perfect with Reke. Very good % shooter with a softer style game and a vet on the team. Reke with his driving ability and his pure strength paired with Martin should have came together perfectly! But they didn’t- Reke and some other players on our team need to learn team basketball- so I don’t think it matters who we put back there with him as long as they know team basketball. Cus in other words we are saying we need to get Reke 4 other rebounding and passing machines and that way Tyreke can score all the points.
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 1:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's a legitimite concern
Let’s put in perspective – Tyreke Evans for all of his faults and limitations is a superb talent. He has proven that with a historic rookie year and been awarded Rookie of the Year honors. He is the most talented player on the Sacramento Kings as of this writing. And to top it all off – he is 22 years old with just 1.5 years of NBA experience.
Instead of asking “can Tyreke Evans play ball?” I want to change your question to “will Tyreke Evans improve his game?” In short, yes. He will gain experience, maturity and improve his skills. He will be a better player and the expectation is that he will also learn that being a better player means involving your teammates more. That also presupposes that his teammates will be better as well. This is already coming to fruition with the additons of Thornton and Jimmer.
The next question is “is Tyreke Evans a winner?” I believe that he wants to have his team win games and as basketball is a team sport it will take a team to accomplish this. He will learn to rely on his better teammates more and his coaches will help him improve in this area.
One of the reasons that the Kings are looking to land a higher end free agent veteran is just for this reason. To improve the team as a whole and to show Evans and Cousins as well, that they need to work within the structure of team to become better basketball players without them being the primary focus. I think redirecting the spotlight away from Tyreke and DMC will help them mature.
Lastly, look at Derrick Rose for an example – he is much better in year 3 than year 2. His teammates are better his game matured – not bad for a drive/shoot first PG. Evans won’t be Rose, but his path to improvement should parallel DRose’s closely enough.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 27, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Still 21 years old, actually.
I checked his ID.
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by Juan Primo on Jun 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you did, didn't you.
Sept 19, 1989. He will be 22 by the time we next see him play.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 27, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke
is the coaches pet and can do no wrong in PW’s eyes. Reke has the ability to play with anyone but he has to have some sort of direction.. In my opinion, that is the coaches job to make sure the offense performs in a dictated manner. PW runs so many isolation sets and puts the ball in Reke’s hands that by the time a play is initiated there are only a few seconds left on the shot clock. What is bothersome is the addition of Salmons who also tends to dribble himself into oblivion….Let’s hope PW figures things out..Time will tell.
Thanks for a different take bill
How about instead of asking “who can play with Reke?” I’d rather ask can this coaching staff develop a system that fit the players given? Good coaches like Rick Adelman & Nate McMillan can take a band of misfits & make them a competitive team. Even guys like Mike D’antoni & Don Nelson are gifted at this. In the end players win games but a good coach can make a good team very good & a bad team atleast competitive.
Look at Portland last year. On paper you would think Andre Miller is a bad fit next to Brandon Roy & he probably is. Why would you trade for Gerald Wallace when you have Batum who would seem to fit better on paper? Somehow McMillan made it work & Portland pushed the world champs in a competitive series.
This team right now should atleast win 35 games next year without a major free agent or trade acquisition. Only thing is I felt the same before the last season.
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by allbenji's on Jun 27, 2011 7:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You mean, not since J-Will have we had such Gilbert like crazy shots being thrown up?
(I know Jimmer hasn’t played yet but wouldn’t be shocked to see it)
by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
The two young teams that are going to be fascinating to watch whenever the NBA season resumes
are Minny and Sac. If either of the GM’s plans come together the team is going to have a potent and unique offense that could be together for years. If not; chaos. Since we don’t have Darko to add to the mix (or try to trade), I’m betting on Sac. The first season may not be pretty and fascinating doesn’t necessarily equal good but the pieces are almost in place and we are only waiting for the Major Talent To Be Named Later to tie it all together.
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Rockets too
They have a lot of young guys stacked up on their roster now, although some of them may be moved sometime in the near future. Quite a collection of intriguing young talents that didn’t initially pan out for the team that drafted them in T. Williams, Thabeet, and Johnny Flynn.
I Think
We still are tryin to figure out Greene, but He will probably see more time as the stretch 4, Casspi got a tast of what it was like his rookie year, but he dipped (like a lot of rookies) hopefully his 3rd year he is working hard to help out his FT shooting, ball handling, as well as rebounding…..because if he could be a little more agressive and up his basketball IQ a little bit you know, make the RIGHT basketball play then he will be great for this team
I must be crazy because I actually want to see Greene at the stretch 4 a little.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with your diagnosis
I just want to see Greene stretch for a rebound.
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GREAT POST
a lot of good points covered here addressing the issue of SF…
i liked the reference to the recent great teams having holes at some point of their roster…
i think the pick was another GP draft gem….
i wish PW grabs ahold of this offense and gets the most of it… we could learn a lot about floor spacing, moving without the ball and passing from the current champs.
F*CK i am excited about this season… which makes this looming lockout much more depressing.
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
I don't mean to be a downer, but...
It appears Dally won’t be back. While I like the addition of Fredette, if Dally leaves, we are a worse team than at the end of last year, IMO. Thus, I am remain a bit on the unenthused side until I see what transpires in free agency. The trade for Salmons definitely didn’t help out my anticipation. What a horrible, horrible boneheaded move by Petrie.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
So many of us here think we are smarter than Geoff Petrie.
Give Salmons at least a full season and then if it looks bad than you can jump on GP. I think Beno had to be moved to free up time for Fredette. We don’t know if their were a lot of options in trading Beno.
I'll add
What did we want from our starting SF. A veteran presence with outside shooting and D. We get that with Salmons. He’s also versatile and can penetrate and keeps other teams from being able to hide a weak defender. I don’t believe this trade is nearly as bad as a lot of us think.
If you're going to throw out the "you guys think you're smarter than Petrie" card
Let’s clarify some things here – we aren’t just speculating on John Salmons and what he’s bringing to the table.. we know him – we’ve seen him. He’s an average 3 man who thinks he’s better than he is, who stops the ball and becomes a malcontent everywhere he goes…
I see the point and I agree that if they decided Jimmer was “their guy” in this draft, then Beno had to go. Fine. You’ll get no argument from me… but to move BACK in the draft while taking on a WORSE player with a WORSE contract? Atrocious. Beno didn’t have to be traded for Jimmer to be drafted. Could have held onto him and seen what the market looked like preseason (if there is a preseason).
I’d have rather traded Beno for future draft picks or a backup big man than a ball-dominant, aging, semi-albatross-contract-having John Salmons — and rolled with Omri, Donte and Tyler if necessary. There is no guarantee that Salmons will be appreciably better than Omri this year and a virtual guarantee that by May 2014 John will make K9 look useful.
Are there any requirements for being a “veteran presence” other than being a veteran? Because some “presences” are not helpful.
by lchristmas on Jun 27, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions 12 recs
From a coaching perspective,
if my job was on the line, I wouldn’t want to “roll” with Omri, Donte and Tyler…
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 27, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
the coach didnt make this trade
get back to me in 3 years when omri and beno are productive players elsewhere and john salmons is twiddling his thumbs at the end of the kings bench
and id rather “roll” with that trio’s possible upside and whatever actual useful asset we could have received than john salmons, complete with contract and sense of entitlement.
by lchristmas on Jun 27, 2011 8:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So when petrie told westphal, “hey you know that SF help you were looking for? well we just traded Beno for John Salmons- problem solved!”
I’m pretty sure westphal probably threw up in his mouth.
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Or he was just happy he didn't have to rely on
Garcia, Casspi or Greene anymore.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 28, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree, but at this point there's really no way to prove it
until the season starts.
I think talent-wise he is big upgrade. I think Section has a great point about fearing he won’t try to fit in or mesh with our team. But that’s the responsibility of the coaches and management who wanted him.
We’ll see.
I think the whole complaint about moving back is utterly pointless if Jimmer was really the guy they wanted. Just simply does not matter. I also do not see any teams out there willing to part with anything more than second round picks for Beno and I don’t see many teams out there willing to offer much of anything for Beno at all.
That being said, not going to argue how much of an abatross Salmons and his contract is and how he seems to be a pretty bad fit for this team.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 27, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you are wrong about the market for beno
but even if youre right, id rather have 2 second round picks or even 1 than salmons and his contract. then get a sf who actually fits this team elsewhere, probably cheaper
by lchristmas on Jun 28, 2011 6:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
regardless of the Salmons part (basically yeah you might be right)
seriously who do you think was available for Beno? I don’t see a lot of teams willing to give us much of anything we’d remotely want. To be honest, before the draft I remember trying to think of teams that would probably want Beno and two of the four teams I could even think of were the Bobcats (who know how Kemba and D.J.) and Bucks oddly enough.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
It wasn't just Beno
It’s Beno plus Omri plus draft picks plus cap space. Those are our assets in play to improve the roster.
We could have held onto Beno and looked for a better deal (IMO). He could be part of a package to get a better player back than John Freaking Salmons.
Plus, moving back in the draft makes no sense when you’re giving up the better player in the deal. What if Kanter had fallen (as some people thought was possible)? As it is Kemba and Knight were both there, and while the team didn’t appear to like Knight, I think they had Kemba pretty high on their list. Did they think he’d be gone by the 7? Who knows, but they would have had some things to think about if they’d kept the pick where it was.
I just still don’t see the benefit to this deal. If you want Fredette, take him at the 7. Don’t take back a marginal player with a bad contract to help another team improve.
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I dunno who thought the day of the draft that Kanter was dropping to 7.
Knight, Kemba, and Jimmer was the biggest reach as to who was available that we were talking about and it in fact did happen. I struggle to see any evidence that they would have picked Knight and it seemed like Kemba and Jimmer were a dead heat at best with only two teams between the 7th and 9th, one of which happened to have two picks and was the Bobcats, who were part of the draft day deal in the first place (just saying, if all three point guards were available there, which they were, would have to think the Kings had a clue which way the Bobcats were going and it’s pretty obvious they were going for Biyombo if they required the 7th pick to make the deal go through).
I get the assets part but this whole moving back in the draft thing is pointless to focus on unless you really think they had knight and kemba ranked higher than Jimmer. Or unless you just don’t like the Jimmer pick which is fine but don’t dress it all up as something it’s not.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry, as for the assets
yeah I got no clue what Casspi and Beno are both worth together to another team so maybe you have a point. Something great, something so-so, I got no clue.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'd heard a lot of things about draft day
And it certainly didn’t play out the way most people thought it would.
Thing is wally, I don’t believe a darn thing they say AFTER the fact. It’s all PR spin. Maybe Knight and Walker were rated lower on their draft board than Fredette prior to the draft, maybe not. But the fact is, they devalued that asset.
Or unless you just don’t like the Jimmer pick which is fine but don’t dress it all up as something it’s not.
I really don’t have a problem with the pick of Jimmer at all. I think I’ve stated that numerous times.
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In regards to AFTER and what not.
Considering Jerry Reynolds twice BEFORE the draft didn’t speak too fondly of Knight, I think it ain’t much of a stretch. Also, there i no way the Kings did not know that that the Bobcats were selecting Kemba. Why on Earth exchange the 7th pick if they were targeting Kemba? Why not get the 9th pick from the Bobcats if they wanted Kemba? It makes zero sense for them to not know that was going down.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
You give these guys a lot more credit than I do
Maybe we are watching different front offices at work.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
how on earth am I giving them credit?
this isn’t brain surgery here. Pretty common sense.
Please note, I ain’t defending Salmons. I am merely pointint out how silly the whole “trade down” complaint is. It’s utterly pointless.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, there i no way the Kings did not know that that the Bobcats were selecting Kemba.
That’s how.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
you do realize that if the Bobcats drafted Jimmer, the Kings could have held up the entire trade
until, gasp, the Bobcats trade us Jimmer and the Bucks draft Kemba and trade him ot the Bobcats. Come on now, the Bobcats were a part of the three way trade. No way they could just do whatever they wanted regardless.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
you do realize the Bobcats kind of wanted Biyombo and to dump Stephen Jackson right?
You really concerned the Bobcats would have pulled a 180 midway through?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You seem to know a lot about the behind the scenes stuff going on
So I’ll admit defeat.
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Don't be a punk Otis.
Either admit defeat like a man or refute the argument.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for popping in with the personal attack casey
I think that’s exactly what I’ve been doing (refuting the argument).
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Seemed pretty sarcastic and punky to me.
It’s something I would have said…
If I am wrong about that and you believe Wally has the inside scoop, I appologize.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
1 – In theory now we can get a better deal for Omri, plus draft picks + cap space, since we are no longer throwing in a potential negative trade chip in Beno.
2 – We have no idea if there was some invalidation clause to the contract if say Irving or Williams had fallen. We only know what was agreed to in principal, not every wrinkle. That’s all just speculation you can spin either direction.
3 – Your right Otis. You finally found Petrie’s motivation. It was to help the Bucks improve. He just really owed Hammond a favor. He wanted Salmons. Salmons has more talent that any SF on our roster. It’s up to PW to make him fit and play the right role.
there aren't clauses, it's usually just an informal deal.
so yeah, same effect basically. I could be remembering it wrong but I seem to recall a deal was all but done between the Warriors and Suns for Amare Stoudemire to head to the bay but then the Warriors shockingly had Curry fall in their lap and they pulled out from the deal.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 28, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, this is more what I meant, not like a signed clause
but good clarification.
Also, interesting tidbit on the Warriors. I didn’t know that.
Well
1 – Here’s my problem. Salmons is a bigger negative trade chip than Beno Udrih. I think people are glossing over that point.
2 – You may be right, but I think we’d have heard something about that if it was true.
3 – That was sarcasm. I don’t think Petrie was really hoping to help another team improve, but he was the sucker in this particular deal.
Salmons has more talent that any SF on our roster.
I think statistically it’s been shown this as an extremely arguable point (and in my opinion, flat wrong).
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And by the way
I wasn’t necessarily talking about Milwaukee getting over, there was a third team involved.
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I think the biggest point
is that Salmons is more of a negative trade chip. Beno just averaged 13.7 pts, 4.9 assists, shooting 50% from the field, playing both 1,2, and coming off the bench. That is a decent player who would have appeal to someone. If Salmons does not work out, how will we trade a 8m/yr player who three teams have traded in three years?
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by lchristmas on Jun 28, 2011 3:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Salmons makes 1 mil more per year
Neither is really tradable. There’s a reason they were basically exchanged for each other.
Which is why every rumored offer had us giving up a pick to get rid of his contract
You’re overestimating the market for Beno.
Hate the trade, but let’s not start pretending we were about to get young talent or draft picks for him.
it wasnt cisco that got traded
its been posted ad nauseum that beno has been playing up to his contract the last 2 years. beno got traded to the bucks because they had the 10 pick and the sf petrie wanted (vomits in mouth), not because he’d been shopped everywhere. there is a market for beno at his price for certain teams. petrie just jumped the gun and got taken in this trade (again)
by lchristmas on Jun 28, 2011 6:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Feel free to hate the trade
I am fine with Salmons, but agree we did not maximize the value of moving down.
With that said, there have been rumors of us wanting to move Beno for the last year. Maybe they are all untrue. Just as likely no one wants him. Maybe we get an expiring for him at the deadline. But any notion we were getting draft picks seems to be a pipe dream.
Every rumor had teams asking for us to give up something with Beno. Including the far fetched draft day rumor of the Cavs wanting an extra lottery pick and being willing to take Beno off our hands for the #7.
Also remember
whatever already non-existent market there was for Beno would get even smaller once he started losing minutes this year and his stats went down.
You should ask Milwaukee fans if they think there was a market for John Salmons and his contract
There’s always two sides to every trade.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
You mean
taking back Stephen Jackson, Beno Udrih and giving up the number 9 pick in the draft in the same trade?
Well sure, if we wanted to trade Beno and the number 7 pick, I’m sure we could have found a taker.
Tell me this
And I’ve asked this a few times, but can’t get a straight answer. If Petrie went to Milwaukee and asked for a straight up trade of Beno for Salmons (no draft picks involved), how fast do you think they would have said yes?
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by otis29 on Jun 28, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What does it matter?
You said there might have been a market for Beno cause there was a market for Salmons. The market for him was losing a draft pick and bad contracts.
I already said I wish we had maximized the value of moving back. I concede that. I think Petrie should have gotten more.
But I don’t really see your point with this question.
I really don't care that much about moving back
Other than it shows our GM as a guy who not only overpaid in a deal, but then offered the contents of his wallet on the way out.
My point is that I think it stinks that John Salmons is on this roster right now, when we have as good an option on the roster in Cisco and it defies Petrie’s usual modus operandi of being a patient GM that waits for the right deal.
So yeah, I’m just pissed that we don’t have Jimmer and Beno on the roster currently instead of Jimmer and Salmons.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
And
Before you come back with “this was the best deal out there” or “Salmons is a better player”, I’ll just go ahead to agree to disagree – since the first is impossible to prove and the second has a lot of factual data to debunk it, but the numbers don’t appear to matter.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Whether the numbers agree or not, Petrie and Westphal believe our team is better with Salmons at the 3 than with Beno at the 1.
Why, then, should they wait for a better deal? They made the team better on draft day, in their eyes (and I trust their judgement), and they will continue to take advantage of opportunities during the rest of the off-season.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's fine, if you trust their judgement
I’ve been watching the Keystone Cops for a few seasons.
and they will continue to take advantage of opportunities during the rest of the off-season.
Except for small forwards, of course – seems the league has run out of those.
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Kind of this
I’ll just go ahead to agree to disagree – since the first is impossible to prove and the second has a lot of factual data to debunk it, but the numbers don’t appear to matter.
Agree with you on the first part. Don’t agree with you on numbers. You can choose to see what you would like to. We will see what happens when the ball finally gets rolled out there
I think Sammy is 50/50
If he finds a legit contender who offers him 80% or more of what he can make here he will probably be gone. I think Denver is the only contender with enough money. If they resign Nene they will not look at Sammy if they could still afford him.
Otherwise we are in the drivers seat even if it ends up a S&T
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For me - last season, as this season, is all about the Question:
When will you-know-who learn to pass the ball on time ?
I do not see any other issue improving the total quality of Kings BBall more than better passing, better clock managing and less selfishness from you-know-who (who I do love).
I know that most of this forum disaggrees with me, but I really do think Evans should be “corrected” or “coached” (by PW) more for doing his outrageous agrevating team killing plays – alongside with the usual praising of his good plays.
I beleive everything is connected to this issue: Jimmer’s success, DMC’s willingness to stay low post, Omri’s lack of offensive involvment etc.
I agree!
And this being his 3rd year in the league I have very little doubts that Reke can do just this. With him playing with most of these guys for a few years now I believe it will happen ( It has to happen… Right? )
by Sincere P. on Jun 27, 2011 1:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
there are two conditions for it to happen:
1. least important – Health. Hard to improve when your hutring.
2. THE deciding factor – will Paul Westphal start coaching and forcing Reke to improve, will he be tougher on him if he doesn’t change for better…? Or, to sum it up – will PW start doing his frea$%ng JOB.
So, DAVID WEST anyone? DAVID WEST?!
C: DeMarcus Cousins
PF: David West
SF: John Salmons
SG: Tyreke
PG: Jimmer?
-—————————————-
G: Thorton
F: Jason Thompson
SF: Omri
SF: Honeycutt
SF: Garcia
G: Isiah
C: Whiteside
Cut/Trade/Lose to FA: Donte Greene, Jeter, Sammy, Jackson
I still think we need a real PG. And need to part ways with 2 of the 3: DONTE, GARCIA, and Omri (and, in a perfect World, Salmons is all part of a bigger trade waiting to happen this summer). Maybe parlay Salmons, Donte Greene and a 2012 1st Round pick for a PG (Agustin, Harris, Affalo, Jrue Holliday, Jose Calderon). I think David West would be a nice fit with this lineup. Actually, a great fit. Don’t know what he will be seeking money wise Free Agency, but the Kings have cap space. Lets explore.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT reply actions
a starting frontcourt of DMC/West, defensively, would be an opposing big man's wet dream
and would make us harken back wistfully to the Mikki/Brad days
Let some other team fall on that grenade
is David West really that bad defensively? I know he is undersized
But I always thought he brought great effort to the defensive end. Perhaps I haven’t watched enough Hornets games
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 27, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Luckily, it won't be the Hydra of Mediocrity
More like the Hydra of Boneheaded Moves
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by vfettke on Jun 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Reincranation
Does anyone else feel that he may pan out to be Doug Christine?
He can definitely handle and pass the ball well enough to be a Christie type
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by getPGwithbounce on Jun 27, 2011 6:59 PM PDT reply actions
I think we will
trade Casspi or Greene for a similar talent who plays PF to a team that has a surplus at that position, assuming there is such a team.
Maybe it could be the team Daly signs with. If Orlando, maybe we get Ryan Anderson for Casspi and a second rounder?
If Tyler Honeycutt is the answer, I’d be surprised. I doubt if he gets a lot of PT this year, assuming he makes the roster.
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What does everybody think about Kris Humphries?
Great rebounder/defender that can finish with authority. Perfect role-player if we keep Cousins at the C?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions
For a midlevel, I could see that
But I’d rather swing for the fences for a Gasol or Nene or trade for Millsap, etc.
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I think I'd rather have Hump over Millsap...
Maybe because I spent too much time over at NetsDaily last year.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 28, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooo.
Don’t fall for it man. Don’t fall for it.
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