Kings Trade Omri Casspi For J.J. Hickson
by Tom Ziller on Jun 30, 2011 10:35 AM PDT
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PrintThe Sacramento Kings will trade Omri Casspi to the Cleveland Cavaliers for J.J. Hickson, according to multiple reports. The Kings may also be including a future first-round pick, per the Akron Beacon-Journal. ESPN's Marc Stein first reported the deal; Sam Amick has since confirmed that the Kings notified Casspi he'll be sent to Cleveland.
Hickson will soon turn 23, and is under contract for just one more year on his rookie scale contract ($2.3 million). Casspi has two more years under rookie scale at $3.5 million total. Hickson is a definite power forward; he lacks the size to handle center, and the quickness and range to play small forward. (Luckily, the two incumbent big men -- DeMarcus Cousins and Jason Thompson -- can play center.)
Hickson was an excellent rebounder last season, but his offensive efficiency fell off the table as his usage shot up to fill the LeBron James void. He struggled to earn Byron Scott's favor -- defense and effort were said to be issues -- but has played well under both Scott and Mike Brown. Notably, he started 73 games for the 61-win 2010 Cavs. But he played very little in the playoffs that season as Shaq came back from injury.
If this works for the Kings, Hickson would be No. 3 or 4 on the offensive pecking order as a starter, and higher if playing off the bench or with players other than Cousins, Tyreke Evans and Jimmer Fredette. It also depends what's going on with this rumored draft pick that's involved. We'll see.
UPDATE: The Kings have confirmed the deal. Sam Amick reports that the pick will be lottery protected in 2012, protected in the top 10 in 2013 and on down.
UPDATE NO. 2: Stein has the lowdown on protections on the pick going to Cleveland:
Protected 1-to-14 in 2012, 1-to-13 in 2013, 1-to-12 in 2014, 1-to-10 from 2015-2017. If first-round pick is not conveyed from SAC to CLE by 2017, then Kings convey their 2017 second-rounder to Cavaliers (protected 56-60).
If the Kings are in the bottom 10 in the NBA in 2017, we're in enough trouble that losing a second-round pick won't matter.
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Let's be honest
Petrie and the Maloofs didn’t feel that the the Jewish and Mormon fans at Arco would get along
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by vfettke on Jun 30, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
would rather have mormon fans than jewish
they produce at a higher rate…. more fans
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's end this line of jokes with that one
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i was kinda joking
but also kinda serious…. can’t argue rate of production
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Multiply and replenish the Earth suckas!
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know you're only joking
but this link should clarify how the two religions really feel about each other.
Jason Jones is reporting the trade with a conditional first round pick
I believe it now. Don’t know the protections yet though.
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what does conditional mean?
by KingsSince1990 on Jun 30, 2011 10:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Means there are conditions on the pick, so not a straight up 1st rounder.
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It means the pick has protections.
so if its lottery protected in 2012 for example, that means Cavs don’t get pick if we’re in lottery. If we are out of the lottery, they get the pick.
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and if we are out of the lottery we are in playoffs. im ok with that condition.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Next year's draft is going to be great, so hopefully we gave them a 2013 conditional pick.
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
My people in Cleveland say...
it’s lottery protected in 2012, top ten in 2013 and most likely not fully unprotected until 2015.
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James, you’re legit. Just wanted to say that, because I swear it was just yesterday that you were starting the journalist thing.
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Must be a dream come true for him, huh?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Casspi gets his wish, traded to a contender
I guess that’s what you get when you’re a second year player impatient enough to be demand a trade to a contender.
I'm not sure we can laugh at anyone else's chances of making the playoffs
Not saying I would trade our roster for their’s, but I don’t think we’re scaring anyone quite yet.
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I like this for both teams.
Good luck Omri. I wish you the best and look forward to continuing following your career.
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by Christina_J on Jun 30, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
other than his striking looks and intensity
did not like omri as a basketball player
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
Ailene?
Is that you?
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by vfettke on Jun 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh man...
how is Ailene gonna feel about this?!?
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by Aykis16 on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To much good grammar
to be Ailene.
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Can't be...
Because striking good looks is all she likes in a basketball player.
Can we get the Cavs to take Donte too?
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Kings keep next year’s first-round draft pick unless they make the playoffs.
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by otis29 on Jun 30, 2011 10:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
I looove that.
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I can deal with that
We either keep lotto pick, or we make playoffs.
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Lottery Protected, I like this deal.
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really?
awesome
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i know that piece of shit who drew a swastika on his head on 16th is ecstatic
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:47 AM PDT reply actions
What will they draw on the Jimmer statues?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
and this is also great because hickson is used to playing with a high volume player with no midrange game...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
i just love his tenacity on the glass
depending on his minutes, he will probably lead the team in rebounds
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah, didn't Hickson average something ridiculous on rebs?
Like 12.
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Hickson, 22, was the 19th pick in the 2008 draft and has been the Cavs starting power forward for the better part of two seasons in spite of a maddening tendency to disappear during games, especially on the boards. He did rebound better after moving to center in the middle of this past season when Anderson Varejao went out with an ankle injury and wound up averaging 13.8 points and 8.7 rebounds per game last season while shooting 45.8 percent from the field and 67.3 percent from the free-throw line.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2011/06/cavs_may_trade_jj_hickson_to_k.html
Cavs fans are pissed, love it
This seals the trade for me.
Cavs fans are so bumped that they lost their young legit big man. many fans feel he is going to be a 20-10 guy ,so im very excited for the future. good link
9 is still crazy.
Who leads the Kings right now? And how many do they average?
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DMCs and Hickson are similiar rates I believe
with JT we should win the RB battle most nights
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Oh so that's what your supposed to do.
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by moproblemz on Jun 30, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions 10 recs
Nice.
Amick says it is Top 10 protected in 2013 as well.
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Declines from there.
So probably a couple more years after that before it becomes unprotected. But that’d be a disaster, since it’d mean we’re not improving as a team.
I’d be fine with barely missing out on the playoffs this year and getting a late lotto pick in a strong draft, and then giving up the 2013 pick.
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with our luck
if we barely squeak into the lottery we’ll probably get the highest possible selection from that position… since we traded it
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Naturally.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
would love to know what
“declines from there …” entails.
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by Norcalfan10 on Jun 30, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably drops from top 10 to top 5 then to top 3 then unprotected
But again, if we actually get all those picks that’d be a disaster.
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agreed.
this gives us a nice core for next season.
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by Norcalfan10 on Jun 30, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
that is incredibly good for us. i think they must have brought in a specialist to negotiate...
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by TrojanCBB on Jun 30, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought it was
.
Always Be Cobbling
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
does anyone know anything about his defense?
my cavs buddy, who lives in cleveland, is not picking up his phone
i heard byron scott was a big critic of his defense
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 AM PDT reply actions
(hickson's)
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
According to the 1000s of tweets on this trade on Twitter,
he sucks at D.
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well, he'll fit right in
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hickson had some monster games in an inconsistent rotation last year
So hopefully Westphal’s consistency with the rotation will work to Hickson’s advantage.
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Green!
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Questions about his motor and his defense
I’m sure that won’t be a problem with Westphal at the helm. /winks
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Future first round?
i dont like the sound of us losing a furute first round pick, you never know where good talent may end up. but having him would come in handy because if we can resign dalembert, having hickson would allow us to drop darnell jackson, who ive never cared much for.
Anybody have any thoughts on what this does to the
Dalembert sweepstakes? I know many think he’s gone already. I was hoping we could keep him.
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IDK. Would rather be in the Nene sweepstakes.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Nene over Gasol?
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
gasol>any free agent prospect this year
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Like both but Gasol seems lethargic at time. Would be happy with either but I like Nene more.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you looked at their averages though?
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
gasol
amazing FG %, and only shoots out of necessity
solid rebounding
great shot blocker
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Gasol is better than Nene in virtually every category and he’s about 3 years younger.
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Just not as flashy.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You got me on the age thing but their career averages are pretty similar. Fit-wise, I like the more athletic Nene playing next to Cousins than Gasol.
Can Gasol play high-post? Nene can hit a mid-range jumper with consistency which is key when Cousins is down low.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
mavs just proved to the heat that fit means nothing
gasol would complement this team way more
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting comparison of these guys through their first three seasons
And last season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=hilarne01&y1=2011&p2=hicksjj01&y2=2011
I think Nene’s been better in most aspects outside of rebounding. How will Hickson improve though?
I wouldn’t mind both of these guys, to be honest…but you’ll have to clear JT out of the equation.
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Damn
All this talk of Chandler, Nene and Gasol (my personal preference of order considering our needs) has me way excited. There’s no way we get one right? Someone temper my excitement. Pookey, where you at?
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then players go where the $$$ is. Sacramento has the most cap-space out of everyone. My preference is: Nene, Gasol…Chandler, Sammy, West. West’s injury scares me.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfG9-q6CrQ8&feature=related
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice song choice.
He reminds me a little too much of Donte. Dunkapolooza.
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man, good highlight mix
love his energy, and he’s a elevates quickly
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
he*
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Something had to happen
Hickson had some good games last year and the 1st rounder has nice protections on it.
He became a BEAST in fantasy.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Youngins
Youngest team ever? Jimmer better start preachin… Everyone stays in reading the Book of Mormon instead of partying!
Sounds good to me!
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Bye, Omri....
Nice mix.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
The Alley-oop
was right behind Tyreke’s GW and redacted 4th qtr comeback as fav memories of the season. Felt great to hear Arco go boinkers again. Thanks for the memories Omri!
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by Rory Sparrow on Jun 30, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's right up there for me too.
And I was there for the halfcourt and the game-winning 3, so…amazing.
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"game winning 3"
just forced me to rewatch it.
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 30, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
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NIce trade
I think Petrie had this in mind when he got Salmons. All of you were moping about the logjam at SF. Like I said before, let things play out.
by Cincy Kings Fan on Jun 30, 2011 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
I like this trade a lot
And I might be one of the biggest Omri fans on this board. Is Hickson insurance incase we cannot sign a FA PF or C? I would love for us to look for a PF instead of Center, as I think it is obvious that Cousins is going to be a Center in this league, not a PF.
I think they made this trade so they could put DMC at center and not have to re-sign Dalembert.
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
They made this trade to improve the talent base of the team
while also losing some congestion at SF and shoring up a different position (PF).
They’re still going to go for re-signing Dalembert or acquiring another veteran FA big man. Trust me.
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i agree. but if hickson and DMC are now your starters...
who are they going to overpay to come off the bench?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
If we get Nene/Gasol, etc.
Hickson is no longer a starter.
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Exactly.
Our bench just becomes a lot better.
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You think Nene would come off the bench?
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by raiderking21 on Jun 30, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure it matters
They’d all get a fair share of minutes.
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that is all fine and good for next season and part of the one after. but long term...
the kings are counting on DMC being a 40 minute a night guy and I would think they view hickson the same way. so at that point youre over paying nene a ton to not be a big contributor. im just saying you shouldnt lock someone into a long term deal like that unless you know what their role will be for the entire length.
not a total knock on nene, i jus think DMC and hickson will be much better.
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Well
There was one player in the league that averaged 40 minutes last season. And there were only seven centers that averaged 35 or more. Plus, you don’t know what’s going to happen with injuries.
I’d guess DMC and a top-flight center would average 30 to 35, with Hickson getting most of the remainder of the 96 minutes.
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ive never been a huge nene fan.
but you arent going to sit DMC and I think Hickson is going to be really good.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I like Nene offensively
and he is physical on defense, but he is not a good rebounder.
by MichaelMack on Jun 30, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
who says he is an automatic starter? on THIS team, starters are going to have to earn their minutes and status. no gaurantees..
by gaindeyouth on Jun 30, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Kings just sent out a press release
Trade is official and complete.
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We definitely got the better player...
This trade is a huge win for us.
Beno, Omri, the #7 and a conditional pick for Salmons, Hickson and #10 is actually a really good outcome from all of this.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Agree. I think Salmons just has to realize he's not the primary scorer or playmaker. He just needs to play defense, make open shots, and make hustle plays.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
pretty much beno and omri for salmons and hickson
7 and 10 are the same thing… the both = jimmer
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
they*
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Press conference at 12:30 to announce the trade.
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Geoff Petrie is amazing
He managed (despite how you feel about the Salmons trade) to get a veteran SF, a promising PG in the draft, and an PF with tremendous upside for practically nothing! Though it is not a tremendous cost difference, the Kings did save money on Jimmer by moving down from #7 to #10 in the draft. Beno’s contract was fairly similar to Salmons (despite one more year attached to John). Finally, Omri and JJ are both on rookie contracts so that essentially cancels each other out. Petrie, prior to the Lockout, has started addressing roster concerns WITHOUT ADDING ANY SUBSTANTIAL CONTRACTS!!! The Kings still have the most cap room in the league and are poised to go after a big time free agent once the lockout ends. Kudos Mr. Petrie. Can’t wait for next season!
by CrownedPotential on Jun 30, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
i think this trade erases a big free agent signing.
i dont think you make this trade in order for hickson to not play. DMC is going to play. so what free agent are they going to go after?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
If you look at our current big guys, they're not exactly known for staying on the court due to foul trouble. I agree with Aykis that we'll go after a big in FA.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
i mean, honestly, outside of gasol, hickson is a much better value than anyone we would sign.
so i dont care if we sign anyone.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
You're understimating the talent on a playoff team.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Hickson started 73 games for a playoff team.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 30, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
LEBRON JAMES anyone?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
We have to sign someone because we were just over the minimum last season
and we’ve now lost Sammy’s salary. Depending on the new CBA we’ll likely have to spend 8 mil or so and be able to spend up to whatever the new max is.
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 30, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The Protection for the 1st is outstanding
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/trade_110630.html
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Yeah it is
The first round pick acquired from Sacramento is lottery-protected in 2012 (1-14). The pick is then protected in 2013 (1-13), 2014 (1-12) and 2015-2017 (1-10). If the pick is not conveyed by 2017, then Sacramento will convey its own 2017 second round draft pick to the Cavaliers protected (56-60).
by dampania on Jun 30, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That makes things a lot more palatable.
Very nice.
These protections are amazing.
Way better than I thought.
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by the way
omri and beno didn’t play a lick of defense
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
I hope we're not throwing in Rik Smits as well.
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Oh, no...
Rik, are you still hanging around? Don’t leave us.
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NoceOne left us.
Just sayin’.
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Thanks guys
I will stay here, but I have lowered my profile.
And I will also be at Fear the Sword, I guess.
The protection of the pick made this a good trade, I think. I’m just not sharing everybody’s enmthousiasm about snaring another FA big after losing Dalembert. I hope they do, but not holding my breath.
by RikSmits on Jun 30, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
dont be like chapu4you
we like you much better
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by lodisacfan on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly...
chapu4you was hilarious.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean
Delirious…?
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I wouldn't mind them not getting a splashy FA big
I would like JJ/DMC/JT and a veteran like Jeff Foster or Chuck Hayes
by MichaelMack on Jun 30, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
So, you'd prefer signing a free agent back up rather than a starter such as Nene, Gasol or Chandler?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Here We Stay. ;)
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by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 30, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
and we still got money for a major acquisition!!!
yet tit teeeeee!!
I don't know how I feel about this. I like Casspi
But Cavs fans are so enamored with Hickson so I guess that’s a good sign.
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
Hickson to the Cavs fans
is like Randolph to the Warriors/Knicks/Timberwolves fans.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
No he's Wilt Chamberlain reincarnate.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a lot of things to root for on that team
Can’t blame the fans for becoming attached. You would. I definitely would.
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I doubt he would come off the bench here...
And I’d imagine that’d have to be the scenario
I think HIckson and Cousins are the starters right now
I imagine Hickson could be bumped but Cousins shouldn’t be. I’d think there are probably only a couple free agents that could bump Hickson.
Unless DMC improves in the foul dept.
it would almost be like Sammy was starting. Still like him, good rebounder and shot blocker and you don’t have to run any plays for him as there probably won’t be any ball left anyway with Tyreke, Jimmer, Salmons and Hickson…
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
I'm a big JJ fan
Mike Brown should of played him more in the playoffs against Boston but thought Antawn Jamison was a better fit after just being traded to the team. Coaching fail. Hickson was unbelievable in Shaq’s absence during the season. He’s an ideal PF for running the fastbreak. Lets just hope our “point guards” understand that.
This is also big for my boy, Omri. He will get his opportunity in Cleveland . Good luck, Omri. Sacramento loved your passion and energy and Cavs fans will love you too.
Sammy...
I think ultimately, he’s destined for Miami.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
+1
he wants a ring. though it will be very funny when he inevitably begins to complain about not having enough offensive touches.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jun 30, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
He'll have to take a biiig paycut.
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He just came off a huge contract
I don’t think money is the going to be the sole factor in his decision making. He became disgruntled in Philly, and didn’t seem to me to be enamored with his Kings experience so far. I don’t think it is anywhere near a slam dunk that he is coming back.
by MichaelMack on Jun 30, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
He can still get another big contract.
He’s only 30, has plenty of money making years left before he becomes one of those minimum salary ring chasers.
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Oh I know he can
I am just not sure that is going to be the only thing he is thinking about, like it would be if he was 24.
by MichaelMack on Jun 30, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
MLE 4-5 years
I think would satisfy his monetary wants and he can sign with a contender like Miami.
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Exactly my reasoning to why he WON'T take the pay cut to go to a contender
Dalembert has one major contract left in him. Why would he settle for a pay cut to get his ring now when he can get his last big contract and then jump ship to a contender(which luckily we’ll then be on mulitple championships and he’ll just resign with us)
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 30, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
it would be a good move for him.
huge haitian community in miami too.
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Yeah, he'll only get the MLE. Still fits his other needs though...contender, Haitian community...
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The players and owners both seem ok with keeping the MLE
I think it’ll be around after the new CBA.
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cavs fan here , hate to see JJ go, especially without picking up a solid 2012 pick
think you guys got the best of us
Im the poor man's corey maggette!!!
Go rip off Milwaukee and the cycle will be complete.
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
lol
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 30, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if sign-and-trades will be available in the next CBA
then we could use Sammy to bolster our roster without losing him outright. However, with our space, we should be able to get Sammy, Chandler, Gasol, or Nene. Sammy would be the fourth option on that list for me.
Nene's mid-range game puts him at the top of my wish list. I know others want Gasol and rightfully so...he's a great young player. IMO, Nene fits better.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
i totally agree
i think a long-term, three-big combo of hickson, nene and boogie is absolutely frightening. hickson’s a traditional 4 with a post game, nene has some of those long-lost webber skills and can legitimately play 4 and 5, and boogie is a monster, physically and more than likely spiritually. that is a frontcourt to get excited about. however: i would suspect they’d benefit from a coach who would bust their asses a little bit.
So does this mean...
that Team Donte won?
by CrownedPotential on Jun 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
It means no one wanted him.
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by Juan Primo on Jun 30, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 14 recs
lol
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 30, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Green.
LOL.
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assuming this new report is false
just talked to my buddy in cleveland who watches all the games….
said the kings would be a perfect fit for him cuz he is the type of player you don’t have to run any plays for… he is best with other people worrying about the offense
solid rebounder and weak side help defender
almost nine rebounds in 28 minutes and not worrying about fitting him into the offense, just a guy who does all the little stuff…..
i would love the blair/parker trade but this guy would be a great fit
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 11:35 AM PDT reply actions
No, but this would make sense.
Redo the lottery based on 2011 records (but teams keep their picks, no previous trades ie. Cle and LAC). Keep the rest of the draft order based on 2011 results.
No. No it would not.
Probably have to have a lottery in which all the teams have a fair chance. Then, Stern can make sure NY and LA get the 1st and 2nd picks.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it would be best to keep the order we had this last year,
but skew the odds much lower. For example: Worst place would pick between 1-7 instead of 1-4. 2nd would be 2-8, etc…
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
No it would not be fair.
It also won’t happen. Because Minnesota would be getting a 25% chance at the #1 pick two years in a row :P
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from Larry Coon:
The NHL was faced with this dilemma when it lost its 2004-05 season to a lockout. The league settled on a weighted lottery that included all 30 teams. The weighting was based on playoff appearances over the previous three seasons and first overall picks over the previous four seasons.
The NBA would likely adopt a similar system should the 2011-12 season be canceled. It would be a one-time occurrence — the league would revert to its usual system the following year.
Is this where Kings fans hope for the lockout to last the whole season? ….We’d be among teams to benefit most heavily from such system (missing playoffs + no 1st overall picks over 3, 4 seasons), and I would rather have a better shot at #1 in this hyped-up 2012 draft, than barely miss the playoffs
I'd rather give up the #1 pick than miss the entire season. I'm mad that we're losing VSL
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Now JT is moveable if need be
Sign and trade for Gasol or double sign and trade with Dalembert for Smith?
Awesome trade
by LPKingsFan on Jun 30, 2011 11:42 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
or bosh
sam and JJ to miami for Bosh. I think that makes Miami much better.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 30, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently.
Not to mention I don’t get why everyone keeps saying “sign and trade.” Gasol, Smith, Nene and Chandler are all free agents. We don’t need to sign Dally in order to trade for one of those guys. We can just NOT sign Dally and sign a FA if that’s what the team wants to do.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Smith is a free agent?
That’s news to me. Also, Gasol is restricted so you can send JT to Memphis to ensure they don’t match our offer.
by LPKingsFan on Jul 1, 2011 8:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
JJHickson21 JJ Hickson
Me and my team in the fast line.. No brakes!!! #wefocused
LOL. Put on the brakes
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
Maybe he's at Disneyland getting VIP treatment?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It isn't a black Mercedes is it?
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by LiquidPolio on Jun 30, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
On a roll..
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We are shooting for the All Power Forward Mouth Open Team.
by Anton on Jun 30, 2011 11:52 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Way to bounce back Geoff
Harry Petrie: Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, you go and do something like this… and totally redeem yourself!
by ivAAron on Jun 30, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you need more patience.
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Multiple sub-25 win seasons in a row can do that to a guy
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Yes True
But you’re still narrow minded if you base your opinion of Petrie on one move early in the summer, especially this summer. And I tend the view the glass as half full when I’m looking at the Kings these days.
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by Bambooozled on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Using that philosophy
You can’t be either positive or negative about any of these moves until you see the finished product right?
So do you like this trade Bamboozled?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Absolutely
J.J. Hickson provides the above the rim play (minus the blks for now) that the Kings really need. If we can sign a center like Gasol, JT and JJ off the bench is pretty dam good.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Ummmm
I think u missed something
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
ivAAron did...
see where he crossed out harry?
by maloof-fool-am on Jun 30, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
One mediocre trade in Salmons and everyone stoned Petrie
What can you say now? IN PETRIE WE TRUST! Awesome trade!
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In Petrie we trust
To be honest, I’d rather have Hickson and Salmons than Beno and Casspi
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
Yes, because this trade was only facilitated by making the first bad trade!
/science
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
He lulled the Cavs GM into a false sense of security
I see what he did there
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
by kingme on Jun 30, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Petrie was like
“look, of course you’re winning in this trade, I’m the same guy who did the Salmons trade!”
by The Guy on the Couch on Jun 30, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
Brilliant!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This whole thread is brilliant
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
1st "bad" trade + 2nd good trade = Kings a much better team than last year.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
I'd agree with that
Still doesn’t make the first trade a good one, and it doesn’t mean we couldn’t have ended up even better.
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by otis29 on Jun 30, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who do you have starting at SF on that roster?
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Whoever we acquire in a different deal, in an alternate universe. ;)
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I'm still in the camp who doesn't agree
that mediocre is strong enough to describe it.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I still can't believe it
And we kept Donte who I love much more!
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I don't know how anyone can love Donte's game
He’s terrible.
by Josh L on Jun 30, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No kidding
He is a sweet guy and fun to watch on the sideline, but he is just awful on the court. I hope Casspi gets to start in Cleveland, it would have been fun to see what he could have done in Sactown under a different coach.
by MichaelMack on Jun 30, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I just love the kid, he's a likeable guy, I'm not talking about his game (which is not worse than Omri's anyway)
and I never felt like this for Casspi, especially after saying that he wants to leave if not given time. Classic “European” who thinks too much of himself.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
Classic "European"...really?
One thing you can say about Omri, is he has the fire in his belly to be on the court and he gives maximum effort every time he’s out there. How that has been turned into a negative is beyond me.
I’ll take Omri’s fire over towel waving any day.
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by otis29 on Jun 30, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
the fire in the belly has nothing to do with being European or not
I’m not talking about overrating themselves. They were “elite” in their national leagues and have a hard time adjusting to a new image of being an unknown bench player with low playing time. However, they don’t accept it so they complain like superstars. It has happened so many times, Navarro, Krstic, Arroyo, Nachbar, Giricek etc.
Anyway this is not the point. I’m not talking about Omri’s or Donte’s game, I said that from the beginning. I’m talking about liking Donte as a person more in comparison to Casspi. Donte might very well prove to be a worse player, even though right now he isn’t.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
Donté is considerably worse right now as a player
Again, I like Donté as a person, but if we had to pick one to be the last guy on the roster, I’d go Omri all day, every day. Better player, more fire, more potential. Having the rah-rah guys is nice, but a very minor consideration in professional sports IMO.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
exactly
Casspi is a better shooter, much better rebounder, and much more competitive. I am not sure Donte is even an NBA player.
they are consisdered part of europe for soccer...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
He's obviously of European descent though.
Regardless of where Israel is technically located, calling Omri European is completely legitimate and true. His family most likely relocated to Israel sometime after WW2 from some other European country. The modern incarnation of Israel is an incredibly new state and there were not that many Jews living in former Palestine until after 1948.
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Nice story
now tell me one about a butterfly
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
By this logic,
if you are not a Native American you are not an American player.
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European!
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 30, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
russian in the kitchen and roman through the hallways
and yes,still, in the bathroom, European. (sorry, punchline was good but the joke was injured and needed repair)
by betweentheeyes on Jul 1, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
By "European," we really mean...
…white, from some place in Eurasia.
"Where hope goes to die"
and this whole time I thought Israel was in the Middle East
by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They are the new Turkey
Are they in Europe or the Middle East?
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
kind of inbetween (are they still trying to get into the EU?)
basically the Virginia of Europe/Middle East (East Coast/South). By the way, Iraq is Tennennesse (7 boarder states and a host of others really really close/6 boarding Middle Eastern countries)
by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Israel is technically Asia
But they are a part of UEFA in soccer, compete in european championships in Swimming, Judo, Athletics and so on since the very early nineties.
This is because:
1. Israel had enough of the Asian games when attempts at banning its participation were made. This was because much of Asia (Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afganistan, Syria etc…) are Muslim nations, hostile to Israel.
2. The competition level in Europe is much higher.
By the way… Casspi’s mentality, as I observe, is far from being “European” – because Europe (Basketball-wise) is Lituania, Serbia, Spain, Greece, Germany and France. It is just him being himself… a.k.a toughness, willingness to work very hard, ambition, emotional involvement and a bit of impatience. if you take out the poor “trade request” that came from sheer frustration, I think his attitude to the game and to the kings has been flewless. We really should wish him well.
Nice post
Good luck Omri! I am glad that D. Green is on the team, I too love his attitude and good nature. I’m obviously in the small minority that still believes he will fill out and get better. T. Chandler was considered a bust for several years. Sometimes a player just doesn’t get it until later in their careers. I want to DG play the 4 full time, I think he could create some mismatches with his quickness. Now rip my opinion as you wish. : )
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 30, 2011 5:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mostly agree
Except for the part where Chandler was considered a bust. Regardless, I think if the coaching staff utilized Donte primarily as a “stretch” 4 and emergency / matchup 3 we might actually see the lad perform more to his potential. I don’t think he’s a defensive liability at all, and when he’s on a hot streak, well..ya know….
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Who else is going to lead the sideline dances?
DieHard SacKings/ BuffaloBills fan...
NostraDonte! Who's going to lead the celebrations even before the buzzer beater?
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not smartmouthing but
offensive rebound means you missed your own shots, probably a lot of ones close to the rim too. thanks, jason thompson.
hah
If I remember, every team in the league misses about 53%
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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston doesn´t get OR´s because they choose defense first,
so I´m aware that stat is tough to measure. My point is that switching Casspi with Hickson will make the Sacramento Kings a better rebounding team.
Bold prediction
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wooooooow.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
And...
Average 17 points and 11 boards on 48% FGs post all-star break.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Seems like an odd trade from Cleveland's perspective
Talented bigs with upside (and on their rookie deals) don’t exactly grow on trees.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
They had SF void
And just drafted Tristan Thompson, and future 1st is what rebuilding team needs. I think it makes sense, especially because I think Omri can be a starter and 15 PPG scorer next season. But yeah may be premature to give up on JJ, making a deal based on needs and not best player can come back bite you. If Omri becomes the player he was the first half of his rookie season, and builds on that, it will be good deal for Cavs.
Good luck checking LeBron and Pierce, Omri.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
yeah I don't see how they were going to play Jamison, Hickson, and Thompson
plus they have a similar mess at point guard. Makes sense for them.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Something just popped into my head whilst reading your comment
Pretty sure Omri had a hell of a game in Cleveland last year. Wonder if someone took notice.
Also...
I think his 6/7-from-threeland-with-a-shit-ton-of-steals game was against the Cavs, too.
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LOL. Ignore me.
I just woke up. Didn’t read Chen’s post carefully.
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Yes, but look at his stats as a PF vs Center
Rebounds and blocks both down. Rebounds are acceptable but blocks are way down and blocks are something that we need unless our exterior defense gets way better.
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Among all PF's last season and adjusted for 40 mpg he was 45th in blocks at just under 1 per game
according to the link above, he averaged only 0.4 blocks as a PF last season and 1.2 as a Center. It’s unlikely he will play any center for the Kings. although obviously the potential to block shots is there but it going to have to come from the weakside. Whether he’ll be in position to weakside block under the Kings spread the floor offense is another question.
HIs offense comes from 12ft in and he gets at lot of dunks, but his outside jumper is weak. So, I’m not exactly sure how he is going to work with Cousins who has a similar game. I don’t see teams coming out to defend either player, which isn’t exactly going to open up the paint.
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Cousins shot is good and should improve
He can pull defenders away.
Hickson’s O is kind of similar to Landry. But I think he defends and rebounds better.
yea real good move today
Finally were on the upend of a deal.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Jun 30, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions
As a JJ Hickson fantasy owner
I’m very happy with this. After the All Star break, he put up some truly ridiculous games. Look at his game logs:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jj_hickson/game_by_game_stats.html
BEAST.
thats an impressive run
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jun 30, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So did the Cavs not get Amare because they didn't want to part with Hickson?
I guess they really wanted Omri
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
Well they gotta make their stupid #4 pick look somewhat good.
And he wouldn’t look good next to Hickson.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
One more FA signing...
and I think we have a shot at the #7-8 seed. SAC-LA 1st round would be lovely! Man, I sure am glad I got season tickets…praying for no lockout
DieHard SacKings/ BuffaloBills fan...
How about...
NO! I’m hoping you were kidding, I’ve had enough of the lottery. While we’ve picked up some real nice talent in Tyreke and DeMarcus, neither one is going to be battling LeBron for “best player ever” status. I’d much rather we build a solid core around two solid players, give them some REAL options on the floor and see where they can take us (by the way, well done to Petrie…)
Let’s get that FA, even if it is only SamWow, I think our nucleus improved considerably. (Crosses fingers) Here’s to next season….
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
#Cavs GM Cris Grant hasn’t reached J.J. yet, but says Casspi as ‘’excited as the two young kids we drafted.’’
Awww…
Good for him.
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This bothers me though
SamAmicoFSO Sam Amico
Source said Cavs have been trying to trade Hickson for six weeks. Kings gave best offer. Good one, too. Love Casspi’s game.
Casspi and a heavily protected first round pick is the best offer that they got?
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
I'm not bothered by that too much
Before Amare went to NY, they were trying to trade Hickson & Big Z for Amare, but the Cavs said JJ was untouchable.
i remember reading they were asking for two 1st round picks
i think he wasn’t traded because the cavs were over valuing him for 6 weeks.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jun 30, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be bothered by this item.
The Cavs were trying to obtain a third top ten pick and using Hickson as bait. Once it was out there and they had drafted Tristan Thompson, he lost a little value and made the move.
I guess one of the ways you could judge Hickson is to look at him as a player that would have just completed his senior year in college if he stayed in school. Where would he have gone in this draft? Probably top 5 and certainly top 7. I don’t think the same could be said about Casspi.
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who says NO to this?
sign and trade Sam, with JJ to Miami for Bosh.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 30, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
really?
two mid-level starters for an all-star? The only reason i think there is a chance at this is because Miami may think that three near-max deals make fielding a whole team difficult, especially under a new CBA. I actually think Miami as a team is better with Sam and JJ then just running out the big-three.
by longtimelistenerfirsttimecaller on Jun 30, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt Miami's going to break up the big three that soon
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Me too
They nearly won a championship. Maybe if they had lost in the first round. Even then, I’d guess they would want to give it one more year, while trying to upgrade the role players.
they nearly won a championship
with their 4th and 5th best players in Haslem and Miller being unhealthy all season. If they come back and just have average seasons I think Miami is going to the finals again.
not to mention the fact that those three came as a package and if they dealt one of them they would be alienating and pissin goff the other two
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Then again, LeBron would sell his own kids for a ring
If he thought Bosh was holding them back, he’d sign off on the deal in a second.
Where do you get this idea Lebron would sell his own kids for a ring?
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BECAUSE HE'S THE DEVIL!
Did ya get the memo?
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by otis29 on Jun 30, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
He doesn't have to sell off his kids
He simply had to muster the guts to drive the ball to the hoop the last 4 games for the Finals series. Mike Bibby likely has to sell his kids to the devil to get a ring.
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I´m just not a big fan of his game,
and I´m no fan of him. the guy is strange.
by rubenho on Jun 30, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's an upgrade
But his contract is debilitating.
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But the option of exists of not paying Nene
Honestly I don’t know where the Kings are going to spend their money now. I’m not thrilled about over paying either of those players. Maybe the Kings won’t spend big this offseason now. Bank the money and save it pay their young players when they come of age and demand a huge contract.
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I just dont see Nene worth a ton of dough
His still only averages 14 and 7.5 in his best season. Those are not remarkable numbers.
I think the raw numbers can be misleading with the big guys
I mean, Marc Gasol has averaged 12.6 and 7.8 in his career, and last season he was 11.7 and 7.0.
Ultimately, it’s a matter of fit. But yeah, if he’s serious about wanting a $90 million contract, DO NOT WANT.
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It's not like Nene
was playing next to a big rebounder though. I think because Nene is so much fun to watch, and is such a physical specimen, he seems a bit better than he really is. I like Gasol for his overall game, as much as his stats.
Regardless, if we hold onto Cousins, JJ, and JT, and the backcourt has Reke and Thornton playing big minutes, rebounding should be solid with whoever we bring in. It would be nice though, to be dominating at something, or anything, rather than solid.
I'd take the guy in a heartbeat
I know there’s a lot of anti-Heat bias these days, but it doesn’t change the reality that Bosh is one of the top frontcourt players in the league.
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by otis29 on Jun 30, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
seriously. people are being silly.
if the heat called and said bosh was available i would trade anyone on the roster not named tyreke or DMC.
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Great...then Jimmer would drop 100 pts on us every time we meet in the Finals
sheeeesh
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Our front court would get demolished on the defensive end night in and night out
Cousins is good but he's no manna from heaven.
No on the Bostrich.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 16 recs
Funny you posted that...
I just had some OSTRIM and it was quite good. Beef and Ostrich meat snack. 15g of protein/ 1.5g of fat/ 2g of carbs. They should have Bosh on the cover.
DieHard SacKings/ BuffaloBills fan...
Oh
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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
Wouldn’t be huge to have Bosh on the team. I’d rather stick with Hickson and see where it goes. I thnk there are other ways to improve the team more.
Shuumtimes!
:( i wanted Varnado this kills it and im not sure how good Hickson is, his defensive stats are much better than i thought they were though hopefully he isnt Jason Thompson in disguise.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the biggest Hickson fan and certainly not a fan of trading away picks
however, holy crap those are some nice protections on the pick. It’s fair, it’s a position of need, I am not the biggest fan of the guy but I think I’ll get over it when he is wearing purple. Likely a good move in the end.
ESPN radio is saying Clevland won in this trade...
WTF is their problem with Sac?
by Crocoduck on Jun 30, 2011 1:53 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
ESPN loves Casspi. Especially Mark Stein.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Uhm sorry I am late to the discussion but can someone clarify this for me? If the Kings are getting JJ Hickson does that mean they are not trading for JJ Barea?
But the rumor said…
You forgot JT
Good luck Grant
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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Great trade!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jun 30, 2011 2:14 PM PDT reply actions
Nice trade
…But damn I’ll miss Casspi being here. He was my baby Peja. Hope he picks up the time he needs elsewhere, because I honestly think he’ll become some Hedo/Peja monster, in a few years.
He should get plenty of playing time in Cleveland
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by lietothegirls on Jun 30, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
i guess I misunderstand what protected lottery picks mean
doesnt it mean that if we’re in the lottery next year our pick is Clevelands??
No, it means that we get to keep the pick.
“Protected 1-to-14 in 2012, 1-to-13 in 2013, 1-to-12 in 2014, 1-to-10 from 2015-2017. If first-round pick is not conveyed from SAC to CLE by 2017, then Kings convey their 2017 second-rounder to Cavaliers (protected 56-60).”
So, if our pick is 1 to 14 in 2012, we get to keep the pick. 1 to 13 in 2013, we keep it… and so on and so on.
damn i thought it was the opposite
GREAT TRADE!!! I think we’ll win about 40 games this year… well scratch that. we might not have a season. But if we do, I think we can creep up in the top 3 of the lottery in 2012…grab Barnes!!!!!
Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing
We’ll be a team that might barely miss the playoffs, but we’ll still get to keep the pick. :)
but until then, you owe ALL of us ten bucks
all 36,000 of us
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by PhutureKings on Jun 30, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the trade a lot
I’d like it even better if the Kings are able to keep the 2012 pick. One thing that hasn’t been mentioned yet is that the Suns we’re considering trading Amare for Hickson just a year ago.I think he can be a very good player, great trade
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Also...
As far as efficiency goes with Hickson, if you look at the games he played throughout last season, you’ll notice that his offensive efficiency and rebounding rate increased (among other stats, which also increased).
Pre All-Star: 44.5% FG% and 7.7 boards
Post All-Star: 48.1% FG% and 10.8 boards
When did he get moved to Center?
As a PF he only averaged 8 rebs, but average 11 when playing center. His blocks went tripled at center also.
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why would cleveland do this trade??
doesnt make much sense. He can obviously play and be a productive starter at the 4 in this league. For Omri Casspi? idk man. Omri is a good role player, but he never reach the ceiling JJ can reach…. there loss
Cleveland has like absolutely no wings on their roster
That are anything close to an NBA rotation player. While they’re stacked with PGs and big men, this trade totally makes sense from a roster balancing perspective.
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now for a more accurate comparison
go look at the two’s rookie years
no comparison
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
college does not equal pros
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 30, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice!
Evans, Thornton, Salmons, Hickson, Cousins. I love it.
As much as I disliked the Salmons trade … I love the offseason so far. Added Jimmer, Honeycutt, Thomas, Hickson, Salmons … got rid of Beno and Casspi ….. I like it a lot.
Petrie has won be back over. Didn’t take too long either.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
What did I miss? :-)
OK,
Without reading all those comments, seems like a fair trade, and I’m a Casspi guy.
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With $20+ million in cap space, I expect better upgrades at PF & SF
JJ to me is fine, but not a goal tender like Sammy, and DMC is more likely to take a charge then block a layup. Also, JJ and DMC don’t have the best outside jumpers, so I can see teams sagging off both of them and crowding the paint. Which is somewhat the reason that we added Salmons, because he could defend and spread the floor.
So where are we going to spend the cap? I don’t see spending big money on a Center because I think that Cousins needs to play center and JT is a capable backup. If we add a starting PG, we send Jimmer to the bench to develop, and commit to Tyreke as our SG. We already have Tyreke, Thornton and Salmons who could play SG.
For me it comes down to JJ and Salmons not being the final answer at the PF or SF positions.
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Really?
For me it comes down to JJ …. not being the final answer at the PF … positions.
How do you know this? JJ has all the makings of a prominent player for a lot of years. JJ Hickson is 22 year old prototypical PF with all the skills you want out of that position, and averaged 17/11 post All Star break.
The $20 million has not been spent yet. It doesn’t mean it won’t be. As far as shooting from the perimeter, JJ and Cuz are more than adequate for their position. They are both above average, although thats not what you want from your bigs primarily. They will do a lot of damage inside.
JJ is legitimate catch and finisher, runs the floor, quick jumper and authoritative around the rim, and thats what exciting about this trade. The Kings have not had that for a long time.
MT23, Cisco and Jimmer are type of players that keep defenses from crowding the paint, and space the floor, not players who belong there in the first place. Your suggestion that Cousins and JJs inability to shoot will have big man defenders sagging is confusing, especially when you have harped repeatedly how bigs belong in the paint, not outside of it. Now you want the reincarnation of Bill Laimbeer?
As far as spending money, Tyson Chandler, Nene and AK-47 are all appealing options because they would offer further significant talent upgrade to a team that won 24 games. JT, Donte and Cisco’s back-up spots are from secure, and if and when an aforementioned or other free agent is signed or S&T’d for, the new depth chart will reflect that.
And I don’t get the love affair with Sammy D. He’s not that good. JJ Hickson is a better player than Sammy D. Period.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
blob, I don't enjoy disagreeing with you, but be real.
Sammy beats him in rebounding, field goal percentage, blocks, steals, man defense, free throw percentage, assists, double-doubles, leadership, durability, experience, knowledge, wisdom…
Shall I go on?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Statistically...
JJ had a PER of 15.7 to Sammy 14.1. Defensively Sammy is strong. The intangibles of knowledge and wisdom and leadership however are not qualities I equate with Sammy D. If he does possess them, they are administered in small doses. Just as example, what was relationship between he and Cousins to help his transition to league? Not much, if any. We don’t really know because there really wasn’t a teammate bond to speak of. You would think a veteran center would help out a rookie center, if capable. Sammy D is a really good guy but he does not have a rep of rallying troops.
Maybe it is not as cut and dry as I implied above, but its just apparent to me Sammy has never helped a team win at high level because he negates a lot of the good he does with the bad, including inability to catch passes, mental lapses, and make inopportune TOs and think he is better offensively than he really is. He wore out his welcome in Philly and is griping now because he was not offered an extension he never earned.
His play the first 3 months of the season was piss-poor and largely helped team dig hole they never escaped. I hope Kings go in different direction instead of throwing $40 plus million dollar contract at him. Tyson Chandler, Nene, AK-47 should all be priorities ahead of Sammy.
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I think Dally's ugly start can also be attributed to his injury too
that being said, I do agree that I would think other players would be a higher priority for the Kings
by wallywagon11 on Jun 30, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Is your 2nd paragraph implying that Hickson DID help a team win at a high level?
Because I would argue that if Dalembert were on the Cavs team instead of him, they would have won. Also if he signs with the Heat, they will win it all. Hickson wouldn’t do that at this point in his career. Hopefully later though.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not saying that...
I don’t want to get into drawn out discussion of Sammy v. Hickson. Its kind of irrelevant, anyways don’t you think, particularly since I don’t think Sammy is returning.
I will make a larger point though regarding big players and real simple criteria I like to use to decide if a front court player, ’4’s and ’5’s, has what it takes. I like to make a real simple distinction which is:
Does Player X look like a basketball player who happens to be tall? Or, on the other hand, does Player X happen to be tall while trying to play basketball?
Observe and place Player X in first category (good) or second category (bad) and you have you have the difference between a baller and a wanna-be. More specifically, it is an issue of agility, coordination, body balance, and basic fundamentals that separate the two groups.
Examples: Vlade Divac, basketball player who happened to be tall. (good) Big Cuz definitely gives impression of basketball player who happens to be really big (good). From what I have seen of JJ Hickson, and I probably saw him 10 to 20 games last year, he fits here too.
On the other hand, a couple of our bigs don’t make the cut: JT and Sammy look like big dudes trying to play basketball. The game does not come as easy to them. I think we will see the distinction next season in contrast of JJ to JT (if he is still around). JJ is a fluid player with instincts of where to be and what to do. JT is more of a mechanical player thinking his way through plays, ie. a tall guy trying to play basketball. Sammy is same, more or less, with the deficiencies outline above, but this basic distinction is the source of my opinion on him.
I don’t want to focus on his weaknesses entirely because thats not fair. He protects the basket, boards real well, and thats a valuable skill to offer. But I think if you add it all up, pros and cons, and I think Sammy will be off playing elsewhere next year, for himself and the Kings.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
I love watching Tyson Chandler because he is the anti-Sammy.
I mean Chandler makes the correct high-percentage play almost every time. With Sammy, I covered my face and peeked through my hand whenever he had the ball away from the basket. I won’t miss that one bit.
Based on what everybody from Cleveland says about Hickson,
is that he disappears and makes bonehead plays all the time too…
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
There's a difference between
22 year old making bonehead plays vs. 30 year old, 10 year vet making bonehead plays. First guy is still developing, the second guy is finished product.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Correct.
However, at the moment, I’d still say Delembert is clearly the better player.
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by caseycheesecake on Jul 1, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
and let's not even start talking about his penchant for goaltending
Sammy seems like a great guy and was a significant upgrade from Spencer… but he also could make some amazingly bad plays from time to time (and to be fair, some darn good ones too).
I'd rather have the occational goaltend then having him second guess himself
and whether he goaltends or not the opposition knows he’s going to go up and block it, and that forces them to think twice and alter their shot. Because they can’t count on getting the goaltending call.
Also, as a shot blocker, Dalembert is one that gets the ball back for his team and not send it into the 6th row where the other team gets it back.
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As much as I like Sammy
Even towards the end of the year, I was waiting for the “other shoe to drop”. Not sure why that is, maybe it’s just based on the reputation he brought from Philly. The reality is, if we sign him, it’s probably with the intention to phase him out as a key player over time as the young bigs take over. How would he handle that??
I’m completely comfortable with one of the other FA’s you listed instead of Sammy.
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How do I know this, the same way you know I'm wrong.
“For Me”, meaning in my humble opinion.
As far as
As far as shooting from the perimeter, JJ and Cuz are more than adequate for their position.
JJ had an eFG% of 45%, and upped his midrange jumper percentage from 17% the first two seasons to 30% last year. Of the top 35 PF’s in minutes played last season he was 26th in FG% and Cousins was 32nd. I neither call that average or adequate for a starting PF if we expect to be a playoff team.
As for your comment
Your suggestion that Cousins and JJs inability to shoot will have big man defenders sagging is confusing, especially when you have harped repeatedly how bigs belong in the paint, not outside of it.
It’s true that I believe that Centers primarily and PF’s should be scoring at a higher percentage at or around the basket. That doesn’t mean that they should be planted in the paint and that they needn’t be able to hit a 18ft jumper on occasion. The point of emphasis here isn’t where they get the ball but where they shot the majority of their shots from. If JJ were able to put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket or catch and shot from mid to long range, I might agree with your assessment. Those skill sets aren’t there yet, and until they are he’s not starting material. Obviously, Cleveland felt the same way or they wouldn’t have drafted his replacement and traded him..
And, finally,
And I don’t get the love affair with Sammy D. He’s not that good. JJ Hickson is a better player than Sammy D. Period.
Sam isn’t the end all, but he did finish the last two months of the season averaging a double double. In the 3 games against Dallas, he outrebounded and outscored Chandler in fewer minutes. So, considering the money that Nene is supposedly asking for and the fact that Chandler isn’t some career double double guy, I’d rather have Sam then Tyson. But, as I’ve said in several other posts, Cousins was drafted as our Center of the future so I’d rather start him and pick up another starting PF thru trade then add a FA Center and have Cousins play out of position or come off the bench.
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by HighTops on Jul 2, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Cavs fans at Fear The Sword are vey slow to react
There are 400 posts on this thread, and maybe 40 on the Cavaliers fan site.
Is it because they are apathetic after the Lebron thing left them hurt ?
They have always been a low traffic website
I don’t think they had a post the entire playoffs until Game 6 of the Finals when it looked like Lebron was going to be eliminated.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 30, 2011 5:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
*cough* because Kings fans are awesome *cough*
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by PurpleLoco on Jun 30, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
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by raiderking21 on Jun 30, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
well i'm embarrassed
i still hate the salmons trade, but holy cow was i wrong for insinuating that petrie should be fired. that’s why he’s been running this team for 15 years and i can’t figure out how to run a website.
this is a brilliant move. it’s taking a reasonably low-stakes chance on a legitimate four, one whom some have believed to possess franchise potential. i can see a vision taking shape, finally, roster-wise. what a relief!
as far as the rest of the offseason, once there is one: i’d love to see us add kirilenko for, say, 3 years, 24-28 mil. i am enamored of the idea of nene on this team in the near-term, but ultimately i think he’ll want more years than i’d be comfortable giving him considering the extreme youth of our developing core. i believe kirilenko brings everything this team needs and then some: shotblocking, athleticism, a hustley flying-all-over-everywhere style of play, iconic hairdos, legendary taste in body art, and much more i’m sure. plus he and jimmer could discuss the salt lake city nightlife.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 30, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
We’ll really have something going here
What, our seats will finally match again?
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 30, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See
Good things can happen when you give Petrie some time to work his magic. I don’t know why everybody was freaking out about the Salmons trade declaring it the end of the world. There is still PLENTY of off-season left.
I need someone to explain to me how this makes Udrih/7 for Salmons/10 a good trade
I like this deal. I like it a lot. It does not make me like the Salmons trade one bit more, nor does it change my mind about it being a bad deal.
I like the team more than a month ago. I think GP is a very good GM. I think that he made a good deal here, but got the short end of the Salmons deal. The Hickson deal does not absolve him of the Salmons deal. And quite frankly, the Salmons deal would have looked 100 times worse if the majority of Kings fans weren’t drunk on the Jimmer juice (don’t get me wrong – I love the Jimmer).
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Not saying it was a good trade, but...
…would your opinion be different if Salmons hadn’t been booted out the door by the Kings previously?
I was not a Salmons fan first time around, and I hated this trade initially, but on reflection I will give PW and the Fish the benefit of the doubt in the hope his game has matured somewhat.
by Crazy King Man from OZ on Jun 30, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Salmons wasn't "booted"
He was a trade kicker so that we could unload Miller. My discontent over this trade is cost and fit. Unless he has suddenly changed his penchant for dribbling and holding the ball, I see him as a poor fit for this team at this time.
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by section214 on Jun 30, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
post trade
we can’t forget how good Salmons was for the Bulls after the trade with Kings … if PW is able to get the team to play a “team” game, Salmons has lots to offer at the 3 and even the 2
We also can't forget
that his inability to take a backseat position offensively to Derrick Rose ultimately led to his departure from Chicago.
I wonder which Salmons we’ll get.
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Just iffin here
but what if the 2 trades were done as a plan?
If so, it ends up Beno , Omri and a protected 1 for Salmons and Hickson.
Does it work on that basis?
Not remotely saying thats what happened..I’m just iffin, but we do know GP has been talking about this trade all the way back to draft day and probably before.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
That was a Sicilian attempt at a response to 214.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
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by NorCal BillsFan on Jun 30, 2011 10:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, I would be fine with that deal
But I would have been happier without the Salmons/Beno component.
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Good trade for Casspi
I think he will benefit by playing with more of a true point guard in Kyrie Irving. And the Cavs have to like getting the pick to boot.
That said, Casspi was expendable and I think JJ Hickson matches up a lot better with our needs. So maybe it ends up being a win-win trade.
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scoring options
Besides Reke, DMC and Jimmer, the O will also feature Thorton (who’s the team’s best pure scorer IMO) and Salmons, so I’m not sure JJ will be required to be a top 2-3 option when he’s on the floor.
Lots of interesting pieces are now in place, but how will they all fit together? Are Cisco and Donte still supposed to get minutes too at the 3 … with 3-man rotation for the bigs to include JT … and still FA after the lock out …
At least there’s somethin’ to talk about!
Cisco will probably be the backup SF while finding time at SG if the match up is right.
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Greene still isn't out of the equation
if he worked on his 3pt shot in the offseason, he could give Cisco a run for his money. And, Salmons is a better option than Cisco at SG. After all, he’s been a starter at the 2 on his last 2 teams.
I also think John could see a lot of minutes at the 2 if Tyreke is the starting 1. I think some matchups might be better if we had Jimmer and Salmons together rather then Jimmer and Thornton.
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Went over to the cavs blog to check what ppl were saying about this trade and there’s only like 35 comments, 5 or so are from King’s fans. We Rule!!!!
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