Anyone feeling Greg Oden?
by Kings fan22 on Jul 2, 2011 11:42 PM PDT
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Does anyone think the Kings should sign Greg Oden? I know he's had an injury plauged carrer so far and he is a RFA and Portland probably won't let him go easily, but he could be the "major frontcourt talent" the Kings want and need. In 3 seasons with portland, he has only played 82 games , but the former #1 pick, when heathly, could be a good fit for the kings, providing rebounding, shot blocking, and scoring.
Here are some stats of other FA that the kings could sign. (stats are from last year)
| Season | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 10-11 | DAL | 74 | 74 | 27.8 | 0.654 | 0.000 | 0.732 | 2.8 | 6.6 | 9.4 | 0.4 | 0.5 | 1.1 | 1.2 | 3.2 | 10.1 |
| Career | 662 | 465 | 27.6 | 0.568 | 0.000 | 0.626 | 3.0 | 5.8 | 8.8 | 0.8 | 0.5 | 1.4 | 1.6 | 3.1 | 8.3 |
| Season | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 10-11 | MEM | 81 | 81 | 31.9 | 0.527 | 0.429 | 0.748 | 1.9 | 5.1 | 7.0 | 2.5 | 0.9 | 1.7 | 1.8 | 3.3 | 11.7 |
| Career | 232 | 225 | 32.7 | 0.545 | 0.333 | 0.715 | 2.4 | 5.4 | 7.8 | 2.2 | 0.9 | 1.4 | 1.9 | 3.4 | 12.6 |
| Season | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 10-11 | DEN | 75 | 75 | 30.5 | 0.615 | 0.200 | 0.711 | 1.9 | 5.7 | 7.6 | 2.0 | 1.1 | 1.0 | 1.8 | 3.2 | 14.5 |
| Career | 527 | 424 | 29.6 | 0.563 | 0.095 | 0.678 | 2.2 | 4.8 | 6.9 | 1.8 | 1.2 | 0.9 | 1.9 | 3.4 | 12.3 |
| Season | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3p% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 10-11 | LAC | 80 | 66 | 25.6 | 0.686 | 0.000 | 0.452 | 2.6 | 4.6 | 7.2 | 0.5 | 0.5 | 1.8 | 1.3 | 3.2 | 7.1 |
| Career | 203 | 91 | 19.5 | 0.649 | 0.000 | 0.414 | 2.0 | 3.8 | 5.7 | 0.4 | 0.3 | 1.3 | 1.1 | 2.5 | 5.6 |
| Year | Team | G | GS | MPG | FG% | 3P% | FT% | OFF | DEF | RPG | APG | SPG | BPG | TO | PF | PPG |
| 08-09 | POR | 61 | 39 | 21.5 | 0.564 | 0.000 | 0.637 | 2.8 | 4.2 | 7.0 | 0.5 | 0.4 | 1.1 | 1.43 | 3.90 | 8.9 |
| 09-10 | POR | 21 | 21 | 23.9 | 0.605 | 0.000 | 0.766 | 3.0 | 5.4 | 8.5 | 0.9 | 0.4 | 2.3 | 1.86 | 4.00 | 11.1 |
| Career | -- | 82 | 60 | 22.1 | 0.577 | 0.000 | 0.666 | 2.8 | 4.5 | 7.3 | 0.6 | 0.4 | 1.4 | 1.54 | 3.93 | 9.4 |
(sorry for bad spelling words)
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No thanks on Oden.
The Kings haven’t exactly had the best luck with injury prone players, and Oden is the definition of injury prone with two entire seasons missed already, and 3/4 of another. Yes, his stats when he does play are pretty good… but how much can he play?
Not a risk worth taking.
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by Aykis16 on Jul 3, 2011 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm frightened that Oden will one day break apart into tiny pieces (seriously).
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can't we
sign him to a contract with insurance paying for it if he breaks down and if i’m not mistaken, there’s a one time player exception that teams can use to waive someone’s salary and not count against their salary??
First of all
Insurance in a guy like Oden would be extremely expensive. He is the ultimate example of high risk. Second, even if the insurance kicks in, he still counts against your cap. No, there is no one time waiver. I think what you might be referring to is if a player is permanently injured (can not play again ever in the NBA) you can take his salary off your cap. But even then you still pay it, and if he plays more than a ten game contract for one team, you get to eat the salary on your cap all over again. This is definitely not a risk I want to take.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
he might be talking about the allan houston rule from a few years back which was a one time only exception, but it’s irrelevant since that rule isn’t currently in effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Houston#.22Allan_Houston_Rule.22
He may be in uninsurable territory
it does happen.
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by lietothegirls on Jul 5, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Brings back Ralph Sampson memories.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jul 3, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ahh as a Cavalier statie I could see you thinking that
and I agree. Good comparison, but the Sam Bowie similarities are eerie.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, am in Richmond. Have seen Ralph around town a number of times though it’s been awhile. An article in the local paper highlighting his financial woes revealed the Kings were still paying him some deferred salary into the late ’90s, years after he had fallen out of the league.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jul 3, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
They really are nothing special (his stats)
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 3, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to take a risk like this.
He’s a supreme defensive talent. Perhaps he’s just had a bit of bad luck.
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I have to be argumentative with your here ccc
“supreme defensive talent”. Perhaps in college, perhaps on paper but in NBA games – not so much. He is foul prone, he is inexperienced and to re state the obvious, he is injury prone. In fact, his nickname should be “prone”. The guy seems like one heck of a nice guy and I appreciate that he is fighting for his professional life but he is not the veteran talent the Kings need right now. He wouldn’t even start. That is another role player to add to the heap of role players already on the roster.
The Kings need starters. They have done a fine job of upgrading talent with the trades for John Salmons and JJ Hickson but that is an incremental improvement – Beno is a back up who occassionally starts whilst Salmons is a starter who will occassionally come off the bench, and Hickson, I am hoping, is a first off the bench big who will occassionally start and a ready replacement at the 4 should injury occur.
Where was I? Oh yeah, please, no Greg Oden. I prefer Nene first, Gasol second, Chandler 3rd, and expect none of these guys to be Kings.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh.
I watched virtually every game he has played, and I wouldn’t really go as far as to call him a supreme defensive talent. I wouldn’t even call him a great defender, although he had the tools and Blazers hoped he would become one
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 3, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
if his pricetag wasn't there
i’d maybe take a chance. With a 8mil qualifying from portland, it’d cost about the same coin to gamble on him than buy a surething. If we could roll the dice at 4-5mil do it. Since it’d be double that, pass on oden. Risk/reward on him doesn’t shake out.
No.
No, no, no.
Would you buy a car with a salvage title and expect it to take you from California to New York with no problem? Then why pay that kind of money for a broken-down player if you’re trying to get anywhere?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jul 3, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes i would dependant on what it was salvaged for..Insurance companies salvage out cars if they net damage is more then 1/3 that value of the car..I got an Acura Integra that was 4 years old that had a bit of trunk damaged, needed a new bumper and spoiler for $1200..I would trust it to take me cross country
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blazers already signed him to an offer sheet, so a high priced bidding war would ensue, and really he has only played, i believe, the equivelent of ONE full season total. He is basically still an unknown…other then being extremely fragile and injury prone. seems like a nice guy and I wish the best for him and his career, but it would be a reach at this point..
my interpretation of the statistics supplied above are incorrect andshow 13 career games in three seasons (no games played 2010-11 season)
in fact, Greg Oden’s stats do show that he has played exactly 82 games (61 as a rookie, 21 the following year and zero last season).
The good news: He (Oden) has more playoff experience than anyone on this coming season’s squad who played for the Kings last year (Beno had 36 games for the Spurs). Garcia did play 6 playoff games for the Kings in 2006. So from that perspective, he can mentor the rest of the squad regarding playoff experience.
by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry about that
those were preseason stats, changed them now they’re right
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Oden has been offered the qualifying offer
so he is not an option.
He's still an option
Just a really bad one.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I voted Chandler.
But I don’t think it’s realistic. There’s no way that Mark Cuban is gonna let him go. He’d be perfect for this team though. Defensive player, not too worried about scoring, championship experience, and seems like he’d be a good veteran leader. My second choice would be DeAndre Jordan. I’d front load a huge contract, and dare Mr. Sterling to match it. I like Gasol, but I don’t think him and Cousins would be a good fit together.
by WhiteChocolate55 on Jul 3, 2011 10:16 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
NO WAY!
We’re getting Chandler, Jordan and i don’t want Oden; But i think DMC next to Marc Gasol would be great! With JT/JJ off the bench
I'd totally take a shot. He's young and could become a Dalembert/Nene hybrid big man
He’d complement Cousins and the roster well and I think he could be had for a lot cheaper than any of the other big men due to his injury risks. With the lock-out, that investment is far less tarnished as he’ll likely be able to heal and come back.
I’d totally take a shot at him, worse comes to worse, you bind the Blazers financial cap room in the future to match our offer.
by Smills9133 on Jul 3, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think if any team makes an offer to Oden
The blazers will let him walk. They couldn’t give up on him by not extending the qualifying offer but if another team comes along and offers Oden 9 million the blazers can save face on the whole Oden experiment by saying we wanted to keep him but we won’t hamstring our cap to keep him.
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by kangsfan on Jul 3, 2011 2:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Oden
Is a high risk – high reward. He’s still extremely young and when has been able to play, he has been super productive. I wouldn’t give him a particular long deal. Maybe a 3 year deal (two w/3rd year team option) in the 24-30M dollar range. If Oden can stay healthy, albeit a huge if, Oden and DeMarcus would be one of the best front lines in the league.
I wouldn’t blame Petrie if he wanted to play it safe. DeAndre Jordan sounds pretty good as well. With Jordan on the Kings, the Kings would be the worst free-throw shooting team in league history. I could see other teams do hack-a-jordan in the 4th Qtr.
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what is Oden's real value ?
Simple math:
1a. If he is healthy only, he sums at about 9 million a season
1b. If he is healthy , and also improves his game, as young players tend to do – he is worth 14.
2. If injured, he is worth 0.
3. I asses the avarage game count per-year that Greg can play at about 50 out of 82. that is a year out for every three solid (with some games missed) years.
SUM: 9 mill * 5/8 = 5.65 Million$ if he is just Greg
14 mill * 5/8 = 8.75 Million $ if he improves
So, only a good-case scenario will make the probable 8+ million offer the Kings give the Blazers a fair value offer.
Unrelated to hhim playing here...
But, did anyone happen to catch the video that came out last month of Oden being mistaken for LeBron? It was an idiot journalist from TMZ (if I recall correctly), who approached him outside of a hotel and asked him “why he wasn’t in Miami”. After Oden stated that he was not, in fact, LeBron James, said journalist continued to dig his hole deeper by automatically assuming that (since he’s an enormous black man) he was a bouncer or private security.
When he asked if he’d ever played basketball, Oden replied “I tried once, but it wasn’t for me”.
Realistically...
We won’t be able to sign Gasol or Chandler, without getting into a huge bidding war with their respective teams. So, you can mark those two off the list. Plus, we need to factor in that if we bring in a starter, we’d need to send someone to the bench (Hickson or Cousins). I’m sure they wouldn’t be too happy about it.
As far as Oden goes, you can mark him off the list, too. He has been offered his 8 mil qualifying offer. He’s overpriced for his risk.
This leaves Nene and Jordan. Nene is statistically equal or worse in nearly every category, except points per game. I believe we’d also get into a small bidding war over Nene. With Jordan, I believe we could pick him up on the cheap. I also believe Jordan has a much higher ceiling than Nene, and produces at a better rate than Nene (except in PPG).
I’ll go with Jordan on this one. Low risk, high reward.
I agree. I don't think Sterling will pay to keep him if someone gives him a big contract
Even to keep Griffin happy.
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Bidding Wars
should be for players who will without a doubt improve the quality of the team. I think if Oden were available on the cheap, I’d snatch him up without hesitation. The potential is certainly there if he could figure out a way to stay healthy (give Grant Hill a call?) But if we’re going into a bidding war, I think there’s only a couple of players really deserving this off season, and I’d most definitely put a limit on how much I’d be willing to offer guys like Nene (who has also been a bit injury prone, though nothing like Oden,) Chandler (again, a bit injury prone,) and Gasol (who I don’t believe would be the best fit with DMC.) And I have to agree with someone else who recently posted the idea of DMC staying at center while we go after a guy like J Smooth. I don’t hate this, despite the obvious increase in technical fouls, other teams would not look forward to playing us….
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no way oden (bust)
I voted marc gasol but i dought he will come here.also guys have a happy 4th and teach me how to jimmer…….
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jul 3, 2011 6:02 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I think it would be more fun to teach Jimmer to drive angry and rise the hot hand
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by betweentheeyes on Jul 3, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Oden is too expensive at $8M.
$4M, sure – high risk, high reward. That’s my final offer. But if the team does try to sign him, it’s not the worst thing in the world (it is close to…).
In other news, I’d like to offer my services to Oden-proof all of Sacramento, a series of ingenious safety devices derived from child-proofing products, but now man-sized/obese-child sized to ensure the safety of precious Greg Oden. Don’t limit his movement, limit his danger.
Also a menswear line created entirely out of bubble wrap. For the fashionable fragile man on the go, Elfbubble_. The most fun with plastic since it was used to wrap grown people in plastic. (not including Latex).
This.
by elfboy_ on Jul 3, 2011 7:02 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I actually would be fine with a three year fairly big money deal
and see if Blazers have the guts to match it
Cousins is the future at C so I don't see the need to spend big money there.
As such, the starting PF going forward should be an athletic big who could play some minutes at C but not necessarily. Nene could do it but I think we could spend our money a little wiser.
Personally I think someone like Josh Smith would be the better fit. If the sign and trade is in the new CBA I think Sammy for Josh Smith or some combination there of could get it done. With Sammy they could move Horford to the 4 which is his natural position and focus and getting a 3 that can shoot.
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Agreed
about rather getting J Smooth. I think it would make us a very dangerous team next year in sooooo many ways. Guarantee other teams would not look forward to us on the schedule…
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I can see Oden
Complement DMC really well. Oden supplies defense with DMC supplies the offense.
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Bring him off the bench
Why not bring him over for solid bench minutes. Bringing oden off the bench will allow for us to naturally restrict his minutes without setting one of those silly “minutes caps” that have been popular yet ineffective. A healthy Oden playing spot minutes as the backup to DMC could be the best backup center in the entire NBA. The question is, is a lethal backup center worth the 8mil pricetag???
Expensive. Because of his body will most likely always be injury prone. Not that good when he has been on court.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 3, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it depends on your definition of good
I think the best he has ever done was the stretch of a season where he averaged 12 and 8. I personally don’t think thats too great from a 1 pick, and not worth an 8.8 mil a year qualifier for a healthy player. Heck thats not as good as what JJ Hickson averaged last year
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay if Oden somehow magically was healthy
I would take him over Hickson every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Eh
Maybe I have just watched him too much. I’m not impressed at all. For 9 mil I’d prob bust a gut laughing. For the same money….. I dunno. I prob havent watched JJ enough to see his flaws, but I have troble seeing Oden better than the 14 and 9 JJ avg last year, and thats when healthy. However JJ did get those on a bad team.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 5, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
JJ Hickson isn't nearly in Oden's stratosphere
As you said, if Oden was healthy. Oden’s a better rebounder, a far better shot blocker and defender and a more efficient scorer. It’s really no contest.
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I dunno
Oden is horrible on offensive end. In what was his “best year”, he averaged 12 and 8, and the Blazers, as any team would try with their #1 pick forced the ball his way, where it invariably led to turnovers or bad shots, and stagnation of offense. He is really nothing at all on offense except put backs and open look dunks, much like JJ, except from the little I have seen, JJ isn’t so awkward. Oden isn’t a great rebounder either, lthough with his size and strength had the potential to be. The one area when he was impressive was blocked shots. As soon as he got reinjured in his “best year”, the Blazers looked far more fluid on offense, and went on a good run. I think people make Oden out to be more than he ever has shown. In reality he is awkward and useless on offense, if not a hinderance, and a decent defender who gets in to foul trouble. I would venture to say he hasn’t shown he is better than JJ or JT, and everything said about him is potential that has never been shown. If the most rebounds he ever averaged was 8, and JJ averaged 9 last year, I dont see how he is a far better rebounder. And as far as efficent scorer, I have to disagree.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 6, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah sorry but no
I get the foul rate stuff (that is his biggest detriment) but it’s absolutely a joke to argue they forced the ball his way on offense and straight up laughable to not address the huge massive giant discrepency in JT and JJ’s defense compared to Oden. It’s a complete and utter joke. And Oden was not a bad rebounder at all, it’s the foul rate and subsequent lack of minutes that kept it around at 7.3 per game. Not hard to find the 20.5% TRB and 11.9 TRB per 36 on the slowest paced team in the league. I haven’t see this much cherry picking since Oliver Miller had to play full court basketball.
I didnt say he was a bad rebounder
Just said he wasn’t a great one. And I watched every game, the last season he played they pounded the ball to him down low, where he has zero skills. It stagnated the offense and once he got injured they looked much better imediately and went on a nice run. And I never said JJ or JT were better defenders, although I did say I would take them both over Oden. Well JT anyway, I haven’t seen enough of JJ. However it seems he is a better offensive player, and he did average more rebs last year than Oden ever has. At best I see Oden as a guy who can play decent defense and reb, with Ben Wallace offense. However he will probably never be helthy, and ay 9 mil a year I pass all day every day.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 6, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
As wally noted, Oden's career rebounding rate is 20.5%
For comparison sake, that would have led the Sacramento Kings last season (Dalembert led the team at 19.3%, Cousins was at 17.2%)
Oden’s way far beyond Hickson in raw talent, even if he’s not a fluid offensive player.
For some reason, 82games.com doesn’t show Oden on the roster last season, but in the 2009-2010 season (when he played 61 games), his on court/off court ratings are excellent, and blow Hickson out of the water.
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910POR.HTM
Hard to believe we’re even having this discussion.
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I didnt say he was a bad rebounder Just said he wasn’t a great one.
No you didn’t say he was a bad one but you did absolute imply he was worse than JJ and JT and pretty sure he gets a higher percentage of rebounds than either of those two.
And I never said JJ or JT were better defenders
I know but in your comparison betweens Oden and those players you never “addressed it” and it’s kind of a big deal.
And I watched every game, the last season he played they pounded the ball to him down low, where he has zero skills.
And Oden has a career 61.3 TS% and while on the court the Blazers had an extremely unstagnant 117 ORtg. Yeah, seriously they need to keep doing what they were doing.
At best I see Oden as a guy who can play decent defense and reb, with Ben Wallace offense.
LOL. When has Ben Wallace ever slightly kinda close to sorta been anywhere even remotely near 15.3 points per 36 on 61.3 TS%. Seriously, when was he even close to approaching that? His best year was a 8.1 points per 36 on 53.9 TS% with Washington. Not even remotely kinda in the same field at all.
by wallywagon11 on Jul 6, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't really matter to me how "awkward" he is
He’s a more efficient offensive player than JJ Hickson.
Hickson averages a few more shots per 36 than Oden (12.8 to 10.0), but they very similar points per 36 averages (Oden at 15.3, Hickson at 15.8). And Oden’s TS% is .613 to Hickson’s .532.
Oden has a significant advantage as a rebounder and shot blocker. Hickson’s a slightly better passer.
I’ll take Oden all day, every day (if he’s healthy of course).
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You know, I see your numbers
But I don’t think numbers tell a whole story. I have watched Oden play. A lot. And so his ts is high. That doesn’t mean he didn’t stagnate the offense and the team played better without him. Just because you hold the ball for 18 seconds and pass it out, or dribble it off your knee and make only put backs and open dunks doesnt mean your a good offensive player. He has no offense, and thats just the fact. The most he ever averaged was 8 boards a game, but I guess if you wanna use a certain formula he is a great rebounder. Im not arguing he had the physical tools to be a great defender and rebounder, but he never actually was, and besides open shots from 2 feet away is a horrible offensive player, he has no offensive moves or game at all. You can believe what you want, but when he got hurt and the Blazers weren’t trying to force feed him, like any team would do with their #1 pick, they were much better on offense, and started actually winning at a higher rate. You can keep your numbers, I saw the actual play. And I’m not trying to say it in a rude way. But numbers don’t tell a whole story, and I watched those games. Part of how bad he looked in actuality may have been the fact the Blazers wanted him too play offense too, instead of accepting he is a liability and just having him defend and rebound. Which he had the body to potentially be good at. But to take numbers that can be misleading, at such an insanely small sample size simply doesnt tell the whole story.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 6, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess my bottom line is
I lived there, I watched almost every game Oden played. And no numbers are gonna convince me he is a really good player who helped his team. He was awkward, had a low bbiq, andBlazers played better without him. Granted, used correctly, and healthy it may have been different. But that never happened
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 6, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The most he ever averaged was 8 boards a game, but I guess if you wanna use a certain formula he is a great rebounder.
Rebound rate ain’t just a “certain formula.” It’s the percentage of misses shots Oden was able to jump up and grab. One out of every 5 missed shots while he is in the game he rebounds. It’s better than Hickson or Thomas and that’s just the way it is. Small sample size maybe. The fact he struggled to stay in the game because of fouls is certaintly a huge problem as well. That being said, the guy straight up got boards when he was in.
And by the way, I was living up there too and watched just about every game he played too. And yeah Oden was awkward. Yes Oden could only dunk and score close to the hoop and certaintly turned the ball over. It was also as clear as night and day the guy was very very good right below the hoop regardless of awkwardness, was a great defensive player, and clearly a good rebounder. It was also clear that fans has insanely high expectations and nothing short of David Robinson or Tim Duncan was going to appease them because the guy’s play clearly showed promise.
Not Duncan promise.
And not first pick promise. But yes, a valuable piece any team needs. But between the blazers forcing it down low, and his injuries, lack of passion and fouls, I really just dont think he was that valuable
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 9, 2011 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll certainly keep the numbers
I think maybe you’ve just got a bias against him. His offensive rating and TS% alone shows he’s not a “horrible offensive player”. He may not be extremely skilled, but clearly what he does do, he does effectively. 82games.com shows he has a pretty large positive impact on the court when he plays, much higher than Hickson had for Cleveland.
As wally noted, he has some issues with fouling and we all know about his health problems. But if you are correct, there must be at least the slightest bit of data that backs up your point.
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All I can say is
He has no offense other than put backs and open looks. And while his size and strength say he good be a great defender, he was not a great defender. Yet maybe. But we will probably never know. I disagree with Wally, whose opinion I respect as much as anyones in that regard.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 9, 2011 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
No on Oden - too risky.
I voted Chandler, but I like Nene as well.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
I think DeAndre Jordan is the best fit next to Cousins
…and the most likely to be had because Sterling is a cheap bastard.
Put him out there and tell him to block shots, rebound and go for vicious put back dunks. I think it could work.
Id rather him than Oden anyday and twice on Sunday
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jul 4, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Sterling hasn't been cheap in FA for the last 5-6 years.
name a single contract where he refused to match / pay for the last 5-6 years.
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