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Jersey Sure, or How I Spent the Lockout of 2011, Episode No. 7

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section214: Episode no. 7 of this Putz-litzer prize-winning series begins with a number that has offered a wide array of talent, from Coach Fuller to Top Hat. Without further ado:

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A heart the size of California...and he tastes like Strawberry Twizzlers!

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section: Before Reggie Theus was Coach Fuller, he was the lead guard for the first three seasons that the Kings were in Sacramento. Theus averaged about 21 points / 8 assists for those teams. Theus was also a lot tougher than advertised. After hitting the floor face-first after a nasty fall under the basket, Theus returned the next game. Reggie’s good looks and bravado would likely have made him a mega-star in today’s NBA. Fun fact: Only two players in NBA history have doled out 750 or more assists in a season while being 6-6 or taller: Magic Johnson and Reggie Theus.

 

Pound for pound, Bobby Jackson may have been one of the strongest men that I have ever seen play in the NBA. The strength that B-Jax would exhibit getting shots up inside the lane was truly a sight to behold, and he would take on anyone at anytime. One of Geoff Petrie’s most brilliant free agent acquisitions, B-Jax was the perfect 3rd guard in the Bibby/Christie/Jackson rotation, and the prototypical pace changer coming off the bench. A sixth man of the year, a pillar in the community, and now front office manna. Theus may have been the best to wear #24, but Jackson is my favorite.

 

Geoff Petrie math: 23 (Kevin Martin) + 1 equals 24 (Carl Landry) -1 eqauls 23 (Marcus Thornton). We do not yet know whether 23 = 23, 23 > 23 or 23 < 23, but we do know that Top Hat was responsible for one of my favorite all time posts/threads. 

Anthony Bonner was the fourth and final 1st round draft pick from 1991, the draft that was going to turn around the franchise. Little did we know that it was going to be a 360 degree turn and we would wind up right back where we started.

 

Anytime that Terry DeHere did anything, my fellow fans in section 215 would shout "Dehere of DeDog!" It wasn’t all that funny, but at least we didn’t get the opportunity to shout it out all that often.

 

Maurice Taylor and Desmond Mason both wore the number 24. And that’s really all I have to say about that.

 

Aykis16:  Unfortunately for me, my only memories of Reggie Theus are as a coach where he was essentially the opposite of how he was as a player. 

 

Bobby Jackson on the other hand is one of my favorite players of all time.  When we first signed him, I thought he'd be an adequate replacement for Tony Delk, but he ended up being so much more than that.  He was a bundle of energy that could come in, run a team, and also fill it up when need be.  Jerry Reynolds use to call him a "Power Guard" because he'd like to go inside and mix it up with the big fellas, and then there'd be the times when a shot would carom off the iron and it would be Bobby who would rise up and grab the rebound.  He was a leader, on and off the court, and one of the toughest hombres to ever play.  I remember in 2008-09, Bobby's last season, he broke a bone in his face and needed to wear a facemask to play.  The team was terrible, essentially locked in the worst record in the league, and there was absolutely no reason for Bobby to play, but he did anyway.  Then when the facemask grew too uncomfortable, he didn't quit, he just took it off and kept playing.  That showed a lot of heart.  Needless to say, I'm very happy that Bobby is now working in the Front Office.  He's a good person to have in the organization.

 

I don't remember watching Terry Dehere live, but in one of the first basketball videogames I owned, I used to roll with a 3 guard lineup of him, Richmond and Abdul-Rauf for three pointers galore.

 

Carl Landry, for better or for worse, will likely only really be remembered for the trade that brought him here and the trade that sent him away.  When we first had him, I think most of us loved that we finally had a legitimate post scorer, and Landry was tough as well.  Last season though, his lack of rebounding and defense really grew apparent, and with DeMarcus Cousins, Samuel Dalembert and Jason Thompson on board, the frontcourt was pretty crowded.  Off the court, Landry was a reporter's dream and one of the nicest guys you could ever hope to meet.  He always had a big smile on his face, and always gave full, honest answers to questions.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Carl win a 6th man of the year award before his career is out (he probably would've won the year we traded for him if we hadn't traded for him).

 

I also will never forget all the awesome StR memes and nicknames inspired by Carl "Top Hat" Landry in his short time here.  Just because he's not on the team anymore doesn't mean we can't continue right?  Meet Dramatic Carl.

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betweentheeyes: Brent Price. He got a number and a lot of paycheck money. He played 89 minutes as a King. He was a player who was broken and couldn’t be fixed.

 

Aykis:  For some reason I never liked Nick Anderson and wasn't sad to see him go.  Looking back, the Kings gave up way too much for Anderson.  Tariq Abdul-Wahad wasn't great, but he offered about the same value on the court as Anderson at the time, and we also lost the draft pick that became Kendrick Perkins (with Leandro Barbosa and Josh Howard taken right after).

 

Brent Price is Jimmer's worst case scenario.  His brother Mark might be the best case.

 

Darius Songaila is definitely my favorite Lithuanian to play for the Kings and probably better than his countryman Donatas Motiejunas will be (Yep I went there).

 

section: How did we go from talking about Tisdale, Martin, Theus and Jackson to discussing the merits of Darius Songaila vs. Nick Anderson? Songaila played two seasons for the Kings, averaging about 6 points and less than 4 boards a game. And he is probably the best at this number. Guh. Anderson did average almost 11ppg in his one full season here, so I suppose the argument could be made for him. Others to do the number 25 wrong proud include Brooke Steppe(!), Mike McGee, Marty Conlon and Brent Price.

 

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No one has worn the number 26 since the great Hub Reed in 1960. For a time, the NBA steered away from the numbers 16-19, 26-29, 26-29, 46-49, and 56-up, as these numbers forced NBA refs to use their hands more while relaying foul information to the scorer’s table. This would be pretty funny to think about were it not for the current state of NBA officiating.

 

The number 27 was retired for Jack Twyman. Twyman never committed any fouls, so the refs were OK with him wearing that number.

 

No one in Kings history has ever worn the numbers 28 or 29.

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section: From my 2007 post, regarding Kenny Smith – "I never realized he averaged 16 pts. and 7 asts. on almost 47% shooting while he was here. Maybe I never noticed that because I always compared him to Kevin Johnson and Marc Jackson, two points that came out the same year we took Smith at #7. I take it back, Kenny. You weren't great, but you didn't suck." Smith was the first player to wear the #30 in Sacramento, and he still the best at this number.

Alaa Abdelnaby is the first player listed in the Kings alphabetical all time roster. It’s a fact!

Kurt Rambis averaged about 3ppg and 3rpg during his 60+ games here. I had completely purged that from my mind.

I know that Billy Owens did us a favor by refusing to come here out of college, as we netted Mitch Richmond in trade for him. But that didn’t make me detest his presence any less during the two and a half years that he phoned it in while gracing us with his presence from 1996-98.

Justin Williams. 3-Will. We loved this kid’s raw athleticism, but unfortunately he could never quite grasp the concept of NBA basketball. He could block shots and rebound with the best of them, but he was simply unable to learn his role in the team’s defensive schemes, getting burned on rotations time and time again. When the story broke concerning Williams, his girlfriend, and a 3rd woman supposedly held against her will (or was it against his "Will?"), the handwriting was on the wall that Williams would not be in Sacramento much longer (charges were never brought against Williams). He was waived after the Bibby trade to make room for incoming players, and he managed one game with the Rockets before washing out of the league. A cautionary tale as it pertains to putting too much stock into solely athletic prowess.

Aykis:  Billy Owens might've been the greatest draft pick in Kings history.  Not for Billy Owens himself, who was terrible, but because of the fact he didn't want to be here.  This led to one of the most lopsided trades in NBA history as Sacramento sent Owens to Golden State for Les Jepsen, the pick that would become Tyus Edney, and some guy named Mitch Richmond. You might have heard of him.

Fun Fact: Alaa Abdelnaby was Geoff Petrie's first ever draft pick when he was Portland's GM.  An inauspicious start to say the least, especially since Elden Campbell, Toni Kukoc and Antonio Davis were all available.

The only Kings memory I have of Kenny Smith is watching Youtube videos of him in the dunk contest.  He was good, but never great.  By taking Smith the Kings left Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson on the board.  That's a pretty big miss there I think, especially considering Johnson was the hometown kid. 

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"Hello? Yes, this is Spencer Hawes. You're from what law firm? Why yes, I am wearing a 'Peaches' t-shirt...why do you ask?"

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Aykis:  Sorry Spencer, but this is Pollard's number.  He played a vital role as a defensive, scrappy big man for the glory-era Kings, and his off-court shenanigans and wacky personality endeared him to the city.  My personal favorite moment of the "Here We Rally" night was just meeting Scot Pollard in person.  Pollard knew his role on the court and played it perfectly.  You can't ask for a better backup center.

Spencer suffered from high expectations (he was following in the footsteps of Vlade Divac and Brad Miller after all) and a coaching carousel.  There was also the fact that he was never really allowed to be the kind of player he wanted to be.  He's a finesse player, who can shoot from the outside, pass better than most big men, and he runs the floor decently as well.  But coaches wanted him to be something he wasn't, a banger, a rebounder, a defensive presence in the middle.  It ended up being the same case in Philadelphia, which is why he saw his playing time take an even bigger dip over there.  Perhaps the only thing Spencer needs is to play against the Lakers 82 games a year.  For some reason he always seemed to have great performances against them.

section: Again, from 2007, this time regarding Scot Pollard – "I thought that I was going to have to go with Duane Causwell and his 1.6 blocks per game, but his 5.5 pts. and 4.7 boards bailed me out. Mind you he did much of this "damage" as a starter. Pollard went 6 pts., 6 reb., 1 blk. in limited minutes. And for whatever reason he absolutely owned Karl Malone. Drove the mailman nuts." Now, Spencer Hawes has been added to the mix since then, and you could argue that Hawes is actually the better player. You could argue it, but I’m not going to. Hawes was a stat filler for a bad team, while Pollard was a vital cog for a championship contending team. ‘Nuff said.

Duane Causwell blocked shots, but apparently all of those blocks numbed the feeling in his hands, as he had handles that would have embarrassed Mikki Moore. But he was better than Jamal Sampson, so he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

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section: Wow, that regressed quickly! We’ll hope for better results when we continue our way through the 30’s on Wednesday. Meanwhile, and oldie but goodie to tide you over -

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I was devastated when the Kings traded Jackson. He’s in my top five favorite Kings.

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by 49er16 on Aug 1, 2011 8:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Rec'd

for picking Pollard over Hawes. You never knew what kind of hairstyle or what color finger nail polish he’d be sporting at the beginning of each year, but the guy was a baller. The only thing Hawes had going for him was that he was a legend in his own mind.

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by SayWhat? on Aug 1, 2011 9:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

And he wore a peaches shirt.

That will always give him a place in my book as a King.

I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.

by LOUiECOG on Aug 1, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Runi Rec

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by section214 on Aug 1, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't remember Sarunas' time here

but yes, no doubt he was better than Songaila.

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by Aykis16 on Aug 1, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't remember a ton of his time here

But I remember one game I went to while he was here. Kings were down, he led the 4th quarter comeback. I think we ended up taking it to OT. Can’t remember if we won or lost even, but I remember walking out of that game thinking he was one of the best players in the NBA.

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by Exhibit G on Aug 1, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Found the game

March 29, 1996 against the visiting Charlotte Hornets. Kings won in OT. Sarunas has 25 points in 21 minutes off the bench.

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by Exhibit G on Aug 1, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Left handed Runi - tough, skilled, a brute with a smile and enough cool to be a fun player to watch

I like Sarunas alot. I was glad he was a King but he will always be a Warrior to me. I see him wearing that tie dye shirt with those Run TMC teams.

The other thing I remember about Runi was his free throw shooting. He was the opposite of Karl Malone. You all remember Malone – he would get the ball at the line from the ref and handle the ball. Dribble. Dribble. Handle. Handle some more. Then around 20 seconds or more later, up went the shot. Marcialonis would get the ball on the bounce from the ref and boom! up went the shot with nary a hesitation, just like you do in practice. And it didn’t matter if it was the 1st Quarter or the final seconds with the game on the line. I don’t think any other player in the NBA has done that or will do that. That was Runi = tough and cool all at once.

As for Spencer – well, he is a skill player all the way. I think one of the things about Hawes is that left to be what he is, he delivers. He just can’t do it at a star level. He is very much like Pau Gasol but he can’t come close to being Gasol. He lacks the drive the devotion and the heart. And that is the shame of Spencer Hawes as the one excuse he had to carry him to higher ground, his youth, ebbs away. One gets the feeling that he just doesn’t care – that the NBA is just a stop along the way for his life after League.

by betweentheeyes on Aug 1, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

A Lithuanian’s Lithuanian.

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by Bluejohn on Aug 1, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man

as a kid, I thought the old blue jerseys were the ugliest things ever. Now …. not so bad.

formerly "what_the_crap"

by Dub_TC on Aug 1, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I love the current road jersey

That reads KINGS on the road.

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by kingme18 on Aug 1, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

aykis im a HUGE fan of ur stuff..

but i seriously disagree with mark price being jimmer’s best case scenario. i just don’t see jimmer’s ceiling being that limited. and im not saying mark price was bad either. psyched to FINALLY be on str :)

by SoCal Diplomat on Aug 1, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Mark Price was really, really good.

We’ll be talking about raising his jersey to the rafters (much as Cleveland did with Price’s) if Fredette ends up anywhere near that level.

by unfair weather on Aug 1, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you are thinking of a different Mark Price

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by bignerd on Aug 2, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

depends on ur perspective of "really, really good" i think

for me stockton and payton were really, really good. i think mark price was maybe comparable in overall greatness to maybe mark jackson and tim hardaway. i think jimmer has the potential and “ceiling” to be better than price. not saying he will im saying he can. i just believe that mark price is too low of a best-case scenario is all

by SoCal Diplomat on Aug 1, 2011 4:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Price is a multiple time All-Star

4 Time All-NBA. Dream Team. In 92-93 All NBA first team, meaning folks thought he was the best point guard that year (Stockton was 2nd team).

You throw out arguably 2 of the top point guards of all time and say Price was not as good. Well… that’s true. But for all realistic prediction, neither will Jimmer be.

by unfair weather on Aug 1, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

also disagree on the worst-case scenario

i think jimmer’s work ethic and determination is too strong to be as unsuccessful in this league as brent price was. bobby hurley is worst-case scenario in my humble opinion

geoff petrie's only keeping donte for his pyschic abilities

by SoCal Diplomat on Aug 1, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't see Brent Price as a bad worst case.

If you subtract the injuries Brent Price was a heck of a player. Not as good as brother Brent but not far behind. Great shooters, highly skilled, smart but limited by bad knees were the Bros. Price. If Jimmer can be either Price but with good knees, he will be a firm starter on most any team in the NBA.

by betweentheeyes on Aug 1, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

not saying he will

you should also agree that he has a chance to be that good. obviously saying jimmer will hav the career and success stockton and payton did is quite the bold statement and im certainly not saying that he’ll achieve that greatness. u want to go ahead and throw out ur predictions of how good jimmer will or wont be while my main focus here is jimmer’s potential. again not saying he’ll be better than brent price just saying that he has a (good) chance to be

The only reason why Donte' is still on the team is for his psychic abilities and that will only keep you here for so long "buckets"

by SoCal Diplomat on Aug 1, 2011 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Little posting tip:

If you click “reply” it’ll nest your post under the one you’re responding to, so as to make it easier to carry on a discussion these threads.

by unfair weather on Aug 1, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah thanks

These are my first comments or anything on here

The only reason why Donte' is still on the team is for his psychic abilities and that will only keep you here for so long "buckets"

by SoCal Diplomat on Aug 1, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

My memory of Rambis was so far off

I thought he was on the team for the better part of 2 seasons. Also I thought he became a bit of stat stuffer seeing the rest of the team really sucked at the time … so bad it was feasible for Rambis to become a stat stuffer. Obviously a failed memory looking at the numbers.

Also I never knew that rule about NBA jersey numbers but wondered how refs handled the number signals.

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by bignerd on Aug 2, 2011 12:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Those Carl Landry pictures are HILARIOUS!

I just joined the site not too long ago so I didn’t know about them.

by $KingsElite$ on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, those were good times. Plus we did a series.

There was Whiteside, Omri, Beno, Fran Garcia…

Aykis or Section (or whomever is responsible for these things), please make those photoshop threads part of the side bar or something.

This.

by elfboy_ on Aug 3, 2011 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

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