Why Wilson Chandler Terrifies Me A Little
Wilson Chandler signed a deal to play overseas during the NBA lockout, like a few dozen of his fellow players. (For a full list of those players broken down by contract status, check out Ridiculous Upside's comprehensive docket.) Chandler's deal is different, though: he signed in China. China has banned opt-out clauses for locked-out NBA players, and has further banned the signing of players under NBA contract. Chandler is a restricted free agent. When he signed the deal in China, he signed it for the whole year. If the lockout ends next month, he's not coming back to experience restricted free agency without breaching his contract or reaching a buyout.
Wilson Chandler has nothing to do with the Sacramento Kings. No one has suggested the Kings would target him, not with John Salmons in place. But Chandler offers a precedent for restricted free agents: he was willing to roll the dice and make some money in China. Will our restricted free agent -- Mr. Marcus Thornton -- eventually do the same?
You see, free agents have the Chinese market all to themselves right now. There are another dozen jobs there. There aren't that many NBA free agents who would fit over there. I could imagine our old friend Carl Landry taking a gander, maybe even Darnell Jackson. Guys like David West (recovering from injury), Marc Gasol (Spanish-born), Nene (focused on a big NBA payday) and Tyson Chandler (ditto) aren't going to China. It'll be guys like Landry, like Chandler ... like Thornton.
Imagine Thornton made the jump Chandler has just made. Imagine the lockout does end before the season is lost. One of the two biggest questions the Kings face is how Thornton, Tyreke Evans and Jimmer Fredette will work together in the backcourt. (The other huge question is how DeMarcus Cousins will develop in his second season.) That question about our backcourt? If Thornton's in China and Fredette is thrust into a starting role -- or worse, the Kings are forced to go buy a shooting guard on the free agent or trade market -- we'll be as confused as we are now. We consider Thornton a piece of this puzzle, a vital cog in the eventually dominant machine. We don't want to see him go, and if this were a normal season, we'd be convinced he'd stay.
But it's not a normal season, and Chandler's precedent presents the first real challenge to our vision of the next season. Will it happen? I don't know. Thornton hasn't made much in his NBA career, and if things continue to look bleak in the NBA and a Chinese club offers $2-3 million for a year's work (that's what Chandler's making), could you blame Thornton for taking it?
There's one more concern Chandler brings up to the front burner: how will restricted free agents be treated if the season is lost?
It's an interesting question. I mean, players under contract are going to effectively lose a year off of their contracts. It's not as if the teams are going to shift the players' 2011-12 salaries to '12-13 and go from there. Unrestricted 2011 free agents will join unrestricted 2012 free agents. Deron Williams and Chris Paul are not going to now be signed through 2013. The NBA isn't going to completely torch contract law.
So what happens to '11 restricted free agents like Chandler and Thornton? You've got to imagine that the union -- and those RFAs themselves -- would push to become UFAs in '12. And that's a dead-easy "concession" for the league to make. And that f--ks teams like the Kings.
Restricted free agency is a lovely little salary depressant at the margins we're looking at. In Thornton's case, were this a normal season, it'd probably save the Kings $2-3 million a year, maybe more. (I'm spitballing, but it's easy to see how a team like the Wolves would shove $8-9 million at Thornton before the Kings could react. That doesn't happen much in RFA.) Ignoring how a new CBA will depress salaries across the board, having Thornton as an RFA under a new system in '11 would be much preferred to having him as a UFA in '12.
Just another reason to root for an end to the lockout. As if we needed more.
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There are other problems as well if we miss a season
The Kings have both Jason Thompson and JJ Hickson up for new contracts in 2012. One or both is getting a decent amount which leaves less money to throw at Thornton, especially if he does end up being a UFA.
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by Aykis16 on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think there are too many unknowns
Things like:
Wilson’s economic status as opposed to Thornton – Does Wilson need the money now?
Who is advising these two players?
Could Wilson have accumulated some expensive toys in NY? Property? Cars? Kids?
I don’t know enough about either player to say with any authority, but I just don’t get the sense that Thornton would be as prepared to jump at a quick payday as Wilson was, even though by any objective standard, it’s a nice pile of cash. Thornton is hopefully looking at the long term, and sees a couple of big contracts in the US, plus a key role on an up-and-coming team.
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I still cant quite believe Chandler signed in China
The only way he makes out ahead on this seems to be if the NBA misses the entire season.
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by Aykis16 on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that this "no-opt out clause" is way overblown
American/ International free agents come and go from the Chinese league (CBA) every season, often times staying for less than a month. Even though Chandler’s contract says he has no opt-out clause, I see no way for the CBA to enforce that rule if he decides he wants to leave.
Also, I find it very likely that Chandler and the Zhejiang team made a deal that in actuality he could opt out at any time. There is just no possible way to make a player stay, essentially holding him prisoner in China. If he gets paid once a month, which is standard in China, then he can leave at the end of any month.
China is a country where law on the books is vastly different from laws that are enforced. After thousands of years of history, 90 years of the Chinese communist party, and 30 years since the beginning of “new China”, I don’t think the culture is going to change the minute Wilson Chandler laces them up in Hangzhou.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Aug 30, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
A person being held against his or her will in China? Preposterous!
Liu Xiaobo won Most Improved Prisoner one year before snagging that Nobel.
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by andy sims on Aug 31, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
Chandler could have been heavily influenced by factors unknown, like Andy said, and known – his agent!
Or he could be delusional and want to compete against Dwight and CP3 in 2012 for the max.
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 30, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry about Thornton
I have him in a very safe place…just don’t ask me where or how
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by prowseinthehouse on Aug 30, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Chandler signed for the whole season...
… because there will be NO NBA SEASON THIS YEAR
write it down
I get it....bunch of caps....Screamer
pretty funny.
p.s. I’m not wasting the ink.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
Along these lines
Big decisions coming up for me gotta think this thing all the way thru #majormoves
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by Dub_TC on Aug 30, 2011 10:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather he sign in China.
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by Exhibit G on Aug 31, 2011 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I simply don’t get why players choose to go play overseas? Ya the money is an incentive but isn’t the NBA the most prominent league in the world? After all, we have the best players in the world. It’s no coincidence why the U.S. has a dream team every appearance at the olympics. Not to mention all of the foreign players such as Gasol, Nowitzki, Parker, Ginobili etc. who choose to come here to play when they could remain in their respective countries. It just really ticks me off that players choose to go overseas for more money, as if the millions they are already making aren’t enough. Imo there should be a clause in every American player’s contract who enters the league after completing time in college stating that moving overseas without a return clause in the contract is strongly penalized thereby decreasing the likelihood that players opt to play in China or elsewhere that have the bogus rules. I guess I’m biased towards Kings players potentially moving overseas but it’s frustrating in general to see a guy that’s been a key role player on your team potentially be uprooted and playing for a foreign team where we will never see him again or a significant part of his career will be spent over there. Rant over. Isn’t this strictly hypothetical at this point? or have there been rumblings that Thornton may go overseas? Yikes if it’s the latter!
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by Cincy Kings Fan on Aug 30, 2011 9:41 PM PDT reply actions
Even if there were such a clause in someone's contract it wouldn't currently be enforcable...
…what with the lockout and all (uh, right wally?). And why shouldn’t they go overseas? An athlete has maybe 10 good years in which to earn money- why shouldn’t they maximize their earning potential? If someone can make more money playing in China (vs the zero they may well make this season) or in Greece (vs a rookie contract) why not? There’s a very real chance that NBA players will not get payed during the 2011 season- if I were them I’d be looking around for a gig as well. As much as we love these guys as fans, we have no right to dictate how they choose to earn money, and the league currently has no right either as they’ve locked the players out.
As for “NBA is the most prominent league in the world”, sure, of course…but that doesn’t do diddly when that same league refuses to let you or anyone else work for it. The foreign guys come here because they can make the most money playing in the states, but right now they’re making zero. Can we blame them for looking around?
by lead_pipe on Aug 30, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No clue how hard it would be for China or Chinese basketball to enforce an opt out clause so long as a player gets out of the country
One would think though that last thing the NBA wants to do is piss off China. Basically, I suppose it depends on how much it really matters to the club that signs him and to the government of China. If it would sully relations with the NBA would think the NBA might jump in too.
by wallywagon11 on Aug 31, 2011 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions
completly agree
I may not want Thornton to play overseas, but I will not blame any player for making money else where if the NBA wont pay them.
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings

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