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'What Offense?' Looking At The Kings' Third Quarter Vs. Knicks

In the post-game environment at The Gymmer, there were some bad vibes going on. Jason Jones and Ailene Voisin touch on it in each of their Sunday pieces, but here are the most important quotes, first from Tyreke Evans in Jones' piece and then DeMarcus Cousins in Voisin's piece.

"I just try to get open as I can and create," Evans said. "It's no real set for me, nobody really in the offense. Just pass, cut. We lost; nobody really knows what to do. I think that's what's really hurting us right now."

"What offense?" [DeMarcus] Cousins replied when asked about the Kings' most obvious weakness. "I really don't want to say anything."

I am legitimately concerned about, four games in, the starting point guard saying that the team is lost and that nobody really knows what to do. I am legitimately concerned about, four games in, the starting center asking "what offense?" in response to a question about that end of the game.

Given that the first half was abominable on every level -- the Kings trailed by 14, and had shot 15-45 from the floor with eight turnovers against a bad defensive club -- you would expect Paul Westphal to re-emphasize the key priorities on offense and for the Kings to at least make an effort to perform as instructed in the third.

Frankly, it looks like that is exactly what happened, despite the team's lack of success. A blow-by-blow below the jump.

Star-divide

Each line is a new possession. The smiley faces and frowny faces are my judgment calls on whether the play was a good result within Westphal's offense, insomuch as it has been explained to us. The result of the play shouldn't affect the judgment call -- I'm not going to :-) a leaning J.J. Hickson 20-footer even if it goes in.

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Cousins gets a backourt steal we never see on the broadcast and scores a lay-up. :-)

Evans fastbreak on a rebound leakout. Thornton stops at three-point line, and no other King catches up. Tyreke misses the layup. :-\ (Who exactly is Tyreke supposed to pass it to on the break if no one else is breaking? That said, great point guards learn when to pump the breaks; if Evans had curled out around the FT line, he could have hit Thorton on the wing.)

Great ball movement; Salmons eventually goes off the dribble to score on layup. :-) (This is what Westphal wants. Passes, cuts and eventually a layup.)

Contested Salmons three from the wing with 14 secs on shot clock. :-( (Salmons is then yanked after the Knicks' defensive possession, though this could have been for foul issues in addition to of instead of the crummy shot decision.)

Evans curls off of Cousins in high post, hits open Greene for a missed three. :-) (Great pass, will be an assist half the time.)

Evans dives and feeds Greene in corner, who hesitates and takes it back out; after reset, Hayes rolls off of Chandler for unimpeded layup. :-/ (Greene hesitated, I bet, because of the prior miss. You can't do that, even though it worked out this time. Take the open shot.)

Cousins posts up Jorts, hits cutting Greene for layup. :-) (Every piece of this play is just gorgeous.)

Greene can't get entry pass in to Cousins, dribbles right and gets stripped on jumper attempt. :-( (If at first you don't succeed ... take an awful jumper?)

Evans curls around Hayes in high post, misses clean layup. :-) (Nice modified pick-and-roll with a shovel pass.)

Beautiful Greene outlet to open Evans, layup. :-)

Thornton-Greene off-the-ball pick to get switch, Thornton gets past reaching 'Melo, fouled on layup attempt, hits 1-2 from line. :-) (Creative.)

JT can't get Evans on (iffy) cut attempts, sets up Cousins facing up from 18 feet. Cousins drives left and misses layup; after an offensive rebound, Evans gets a slipscreen from Cousins, drives and kicks to Greene for three. :-( on the first shot attempt, :-) on the second.

JT dribbles laterally, sets up Greene corner three. :-) (Thompson dribbling laterally across the lane isn't optimal, but he creatively looked for an open man and a safe pass.)

Greene cuts backdoor, Cousins hits him (rim shot), hard foul by Melo, 1-2 from the line. :-) (Again, beautiful. Greene cuts better than anyone on the team right now. That says a lot more about Evans, Thornton and Jimmer than anything else.)

Greene looses ball in transition trying to feed Jimmer. :-( (I'm still not comfortable with Greene leading a break. This is why.)

Greene gets to rim after switch, misses circus layup. :-( (I'm still not comfortable with Greene driving into traffic. He's a poor passer, and the Kings have better options off the dribble.)

Evans gets to rim on secondary break, kicks out to trailing Cousins who dribbles into a charge. :-/ (Evans made the right play as he dribbled into traffic, but Cousins needed to pop up a shot if he were set -- he wasn't -- or needed to reset. Instead, he bulled right into an easy call for the refs.)

Evans on break, only JT keeps up but isn't open, missed layup. :-/ (Again, we complain about Evans not passing on the break ... but no one is getting open on the break here. JT did a good job running with the play, but the Knicks rotated back well and JT wasn't open. There was no one in the corners for Evans to give up the ball to. He needs to pull out and reset if he can't draw the foul or get a better shot here; it was well-contested.)

Jimmer gets in paint off dribble, drops it for Hayes, fouled on layup attempt, 1-2 from line. :-) (This is why fans are excited about Jimmer's point guard abilities.)

Thornton-Hayes P&R draws switch, Thornton gets floater over Jorts. :-) (I have no problem with Thornton taking runners and floaters off of the dribble.)

JT posts Walker baseline, swatted out of bounds by helping Chandler; on inbounds, Greene hits Jimmer for stop and pop, fouled, 2-2 from line. :-) (Thompson shouldn't be a primary offensive option. But I'm OK with him posting up Bill Walker. The inbounds play was a good one, but would have been better if Jimmer had gotten behind the three-point line. Greene pulled the trigger a touch early, but it was still well-executed.)

Jimmer pulls up around high JT screen, misses three. :-( (We don't need stepback Jimmer threes off the dribble right now. Sorry.)

Time running down, Thornton drives at basket, stripped out-of-bounds. With 0.4 seconds left, Jimmer lob fails on saddest at-the-buzzer inbounds play I have seen since ...

Needless to say,

:-(

This Jimmer inbounds play isn't LOL enough to end up on YouTube, so let me set it up for you, in case you shielded your eyes reflexively. There are 0.4 seconds left in the third. The Kings have just pleaded the case that the ball went out of bounds with time left on the clock for a solid three minutes. The refs checked the video and all of that. And after all of that, the Kings' great 0.4-second inbound play consists of ... three Kings standing around the perimeter, where they are completely useless with 0.4 seconds left, Donte Greene in the paint with his back turned away from the basket, and Jimmer prepping to inbound the ball. On cue, Greene turns and leap for the basket (with three Knicks going along with him) as Jimmer lobs *the ball and the other three Kings ... stand around the perimeter.

This is your inbounds play.

This is your inbounds play?

This is your inbounds play.

It was batted away by one of the three Knicks who were prepared for the lob at the rim.

I didn't see Westphal getting in anyone's face at the quarter break, so I assume that this was the play he called in the three minutes the team had to prepare for a potential last-ditch buzzer-beater at the quarter's end. In which case, HOLY SHIT. That's your play? No attempt to deceive the defense beyond "Donte Greene acts like he's going to walk away from the basket, then turns back toward the basket because, duh, he's the only one who can score with 0.4 seconds left on account of 0.4 seconds allowing only for tips." The Knicks didn't even have to guess which player Jimmer would lob the ball to, unless Chuck Hayes can secretly fly. (I'm not ruling it out, but I'm also not counting on it.) This was easily the least creative 0.4-second inbounds play that I have ever seen, and I have watched the Kings since I was a young lad. I have seen more creative 0.4-second inbounds plays called in donkey basketball leagues, which isn't to imply that donkey basketball coaches aren't incredibly creative, but that there simply aren't many lob plays in the donkey basketball playbook, that's all.

But, you know what? For the most part in the third quarter, the Westphal offense did as it claimed it would do on the box. Most of the shots came on cuts, passes out of penetration and in the general area of the rim. Evans consistently pushed the ball. Donte Greene consistently cut through the lane. There were some bad plays -- Salmons and Jimmer each took a head-shaking three, and Greene made two bad decisions, and Evans needs to use his brakes a little in transition, and Thornton was largely invisible when he didn't have the ball in his hands -- but overall, I see what the team is trying to do. Westphal is trying to relieve the pressure on Evans and Fredette by spreading the shot creation responsibilities among everyone (except Hayes, who almost never has the ball in his hands, which is strange given what Petrie and Westphal said about Hayes' offensive value back when they signed him).

The Kings ended up scoring 23 points in 23 possessions in the third, which is not good but is not the end of the world. Sacramento won the quarter 23-22, but they needed to win it by a lot more to get back into the game. Things devolved in the fourth, and enough of the deep bench got into the game so as to not allow us to take much from the pain.

I am deeply concerned with Evans and Cousins quotes ... but I'm not sure the overall worry is completely justified right now. Nothing is black and white. The team's offense struggles more than it needs to because, yes, Tyreke Evans is not John Stockton. He's far more likely to make a brilliant layup or defensive stop than pass. The team's offense struggles more than it needs to because, yes, DeMarcus Cousins mimics Chris Webber in his prime without being that skilled. DMC makes some gorgeous passes but also some bad shots, bad passes and bad decisions to drive. The team's offense struggles because Marcus Thornton has little interest in cutting off of the ball, because Donte Greene can be reckless, because Jimmer Fredette is inexperienced and a bit of a gunner, because Jason Thompson plays faster in his brain than in his body, because Travis Outlaw's shot looks broken right now, because J.J. Hickson continues to rely on his athletic makeup than a set of regularly applicable basketball skills. And yes: the offense struggles because the coach is not setting an example that every possession matters.

I understand if you think Westphal needs to go. I understand if you think Evans needs to be replaced at point guard (whether by trade, demotion or lineup shift). I understand if you are pessimistic. Westphal deserves criticism -- his point guard is lost after four games. Evans deserves criticism -- he's not leading this team to success on the court, when he is clearly its best player. I understand if you think Geoff Petrie needs to be replaced. And maybe one or two of those things will happen. Maybe Westphal will throw Evans under the bus to save himself; he's done it before, with Kevin Martin. Maybe Evans is beginning to throw Westphal under the bus as an excuse for himself. (Maybe there's no maybe about it; those quotes aren't terribly fuzzy.) Maybe Petrie will unload Westphal to preserve his own aura of untouchability, to insinuate that his roster decisions have been great, but that the coach isn't putting it all together.

Or maybe, just maybe ... maybe the losses and disappointment will fade as the Kings have some success and figure each other out. Maybe Westphal will be emboldened to help his team figure out the offense he has installed and, in the process, save his job. Maybe Evans will hear the complaints and make it a point to pass the ball on every play. Maybe Thornton will watch tape, realize he's become a statue and start moving. Maybe Salmons will have an epiphany and stop taking contested three-pointers. Maybe the we're-all-in-this-together spirit will develop on the road, and the politics of my-shot-now-you're-shot-now-my-shot ball will disappear. Maybe I'm being hopelessly optimistic, and maybe this is the first stop on the team's short journey to the bottom of the Valley of Hell. Or maybe time can save the Kings.

We'll see.

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One thing I think is certain

PW has lost the team. If he’s getting thrown off the bus like that, I’m afraid he doesn’t hold command of the locker room anymore.

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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jan 1, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the breakdown

I think the Kings will be enacting some major changes immediately. What kind exactly I know not, but something has to, and will, change.

by convoy on Jan 1, 2012 11:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Great Post

But lets also consider the Knicks were nursing a double digit lead most of 3rd quarter. Its natural for a team ahead 12 to 16 points to be a little more lax defensively. Coaches will say otherwise, but its just the nature of competition. So any sustained competency the Kings displayed in running their plays has to be balanced against the Knicks knowing they were comfortably in control. They learned in the first half they could score at will, w/o Amare and Carmelo on cruise control with ‘C’ level performance.

"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.

by bench_blob on Jan 1, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

Fair point

Though other than typical Melo laxness and general Bibbyness I didn’t notice any plays where NY was just not trying in the third. Douglas and Jorts are fair defenders.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 1, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

It's hard to tell at this point if it's Westphal's failure to teach the rudiments of basketball to

players who seem ill-prepared for the concept of team play, . At times, both Evans and Cousins seem both clueless and/or indifferent. However, I can’t say they are measurably worse than the others. I am certain part of the problem is the loss of certain players and their replacements. But some of this is a bit perplexing. The Kings seem to lack chemistry at this point. I think having JT and Donte on the floor improved them. Why does Chuck Hayes seem less the player that he was with Houston? I think the coach needs to know who to play and when — and not just in reaction to foul-trouble. Evans may not have the savvy to be a reliable pointguard. Westphal may lack the savvy to handle players a generation younger than the ones he last coached. Exes and Ohs are Exes and Ohs but “the times they are a changin’…”

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by Natomaser on Jan 1, 2012 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure what you expect from Hayes

his D has been solid and he’s DD RBS

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Very well written Tom

Thanks, this was a good article. WIth your summation, on what will happen with the team, I have to imagine there is a countdown to PW being replaced, not that he can’t stop the countdown with the teams improved play, but it does not seem like he is getting through to our most important pieces (Thornton/Evans/Cousins).

by MichaelMack on Jan 1, 2012 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

effort

A lot of the troubles are about effort. Our offense is non existent, but on defense it’s multiple issues none the least of which is a lack of effort. Even when we DO rotate, no one rotates back when the ball is swung. It’s also about effort, Evans if you notice never runs back hard on defense, and if he gets beat, he stands there and doesn’t try to get back in, nor does he EVER fight through a pick, he just allows himself to be picked. Last night, he was defending a break in which the shooter (Fields?) missed a layup and Reke never even tried to get back on the court, and the shooter picked up the ball and laid it in. Watch Salmons on defense, he gives some serious effort at least. DMC though his shooting % is bad, is at least trying on both ends whether he makes mistakes or not. Look how many charges he’s taken. We can at least stay in games with some semblance of defense. I’ve always been high on Tyreke, but he looks like he doesn’t care (which I’m sure is not the case). It looks like some type of change has to happen.

by Rfdong on Jan 1, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Our bigs roll before the screen is ever reached

and the smalls screens are ignored.
In either case, the defender pops over the top and it instantly breaks down.

This is a no motion offense.

We only occassionaly try the bigs initiating on top, but it hasn’t been working anyway.

I would plant 2 shooters at the 3 and have Reke and Cousins run 2 on 2’s and kick when trapped. If Hayes man drops off him, he should do the well times Pollard cut to the hoop.

I know its stupid for me to suggest stuff but this is as simple an offense as I can think of.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

You're right on about the guard screens

They don’t even look like their trying to set a decent pick. Their just going through the motions.

by Crocoduck on Jan 1, 2012 12:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

How can anyone seriously act like this is a surprise?

What have people been watching for 2+ years?

Westphal is just as poor as he has always been. The only difference is that the rest of the league knows how to play our players now.

There IS no offense. We run motion – sort of.

How long will it take for people to recognize that PW is a BAD coach?

by Hoops Mike on Jan 1, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well it doesn't help that the league figured out Tyreke

so to counteract it, the front office signs a bunch of guys whowho play exactly like Tyreke! I bet the league loves us for making their job easier

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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I don't even see sort of motion

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

HA! You may be correct.

Can it be called ‘motion’ when players stand around?

by Hoops Mike on Jan 1, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe PW was saying it was an "emotion" offense

and he’d be right because it is just sad.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Not sure if many fans realize

But I think this coaching staff has decided play calling is no longer a necessity.

Have we seen Westphal shout out any play calls this year? No, I haven’t, because apparently it is all been premeditated without consideration for match-up advantage, line-ups on the floor, time or situation.

I think a degree of freedom, read and react, should be granted to players to maximize skills, but not when it fails to exploit mismatches, define roles and create a semblance of structure that a young team that has not played a lot together needs. This group, like any other group, needs competent leadership to nurture development and gain confidence.

Paul Westphal has decided the Kings should just go out and do what they were told to do in practice, apparently irrespective of opponent or time or place or hot-hand, and it has failed miserably in last 3 games.

Jim Eyen made a comment that had me scratching my head last night during the halftime, and is a microcosm if this coaching staff and their ability to communicate. He said, and am paraphrasing, “The Kings best defense is their offense.” Wait, what? Our assistant is spouting mangled cliches to try to make a point, and I immediately think of George Bush with his “fool me once…fool me again…” botched line.

I think the coach wanted to express that the Kings incompetency offensively was leading to the Knicks getting easy scores. And that the Kings needed to improve their execution offensively, and that would in turn allow the Kings to get back and set up defensively. But he said:

“The Kings best defense is their offense.”

Huh? I cannot blame the Kings players for grumbling over the message being delivered from this coaching staff, because it lacks clarity, logic and credibility.

"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.

by bench_blob on Jan 1, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Your completely right

and it goes to what has been said about Westphal before, he is a much better coach when hes dealing with veterans.

I can see what the Kings are trying to do offensively, but it seems like Coach is giving the players freedom to do what they want in the context of the offense. This works great when you have guys that really know how to play and guys who have great chemistry, the Kings have neither of these things so you see 3 man plays take a long time to develop and guys looking for others to cut and they don’t. Its almost sad because the team can have a few really great possessions and then all of a sudden no one knows what to do and the movement completely stops.

I agree that this team needs calls for their plays or actions, if only to make sure that we are doing something on the offensive side every time down the court. Over the course of the season we should be able to not have to call anything, but right now the guys just aren’t good enough to do that. Great post blob.

by jstnblke41 on Jan 1, 2012 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

So is the reason for those quotes

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose 0-3 is good somewhere.

Granted, they have been competitive, for the most part.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't buy the "we need a 'true' point guard" argument.

There have already been countless examples given of successful teams with a scoring PG, so I won’t get into that—but we can all agree that we need better ball movement; I just think the answer lies with the entire team, more so than the lead guard.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I was actually at this game, the Bulls game and the Lakers game.

And last night’s team believe it or not was a totally different team to watch. At least in person. There certainly didnt seem to be any problems in our offensive execution in the Lakers game, but somewhere during that 20 point drubbing to the Blazers and the offensive ineptitude we displayed in the Bulls game, and then our performance yesterday, Westphal had to have lose this team. Not much else could describe what I saw last night, other than Chuck Hayes almost dunking…that was just spectacular.

by mactown96kings on Jan 1, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

Then we are all agreed there is a problem.

No need to keep wondering if there is one.

The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 1, 2012 12:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for this post Ziller

Great read and right on the money.

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by A Night At The Arco on Jan 1, 2012 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

...if, but when...

If PW has to go, when’s the best time to do it? In a shortened season, can a new coach and a new offense be put into place to be effective? If the Kings let PW finish the season, will the Kings lose political/financial momentum?

Here’s Section’s post from last year in regards to in-season coaching changes.

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 1, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

Just don't replace one bad coach

with another bad coach, with another bad coach, etc.

by Bill2 on Jan 1, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lets go without a coach

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like we already are.

The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
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by Slam_Dunk on Jan 1, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

There's really good data there

But it’s a hard thing to quantify, what damage retaining a bad coach for the entirety of a lost season could do to a young team.

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by otis29 on Jan 1, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Westphal needs to go.

I didn’t like the hire after watching him fail at Pepperdine and Seattle. We Kings fans should know better after watching the Adelman teams run successful offense with the high-post, screens, cuts, ball movement… This current offense is what they run in middle schools, and we’ve been talking about it for 3 years. The players know it, and former players like Udoka have talked about it. The coach doesn’t have an offensive system, no direction for these young players and no excitement going forward. As someone who is also a 49ers fan I can tell you what a huge difference coaching can make.

by mavisdory on Jan 1, 2012 12:49 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions  

You have offended middle school BB coaches everywhere

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 1, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Westphal wants to be fired...

It’s the only thing that makes any sense

by folsomfella on Jan 1, 2012 12:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Westphal can't shoot free throws

I was at the game and it was horrible. I started placing side bets with my friend that we would keep missing free throws,hey I was trying to have fun. Chandler didn’t miss.Carmelo looked like he was playing a laugher,because he was. No Amare? Truly uninspired basketball,until J.T. threw someone to the ground. Going tonight and crossing my fingers. Go Kings.

by John Takanikos on Jan 1, 2012 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

Tyreke

To clearly highlight in last nights game, Tyreke ran back to stop a fast break point and succeeded in putting the Knicks player off enough to make him miss. His first year he wins Rookie of the year and his second year he had a foot injury which forced him to take less layups and more two and three pointers, which isn’t his game, which partially explains the drop in performance last year.

Four games in and the team as a whole isn’t playing great, yet Tyreke is seemingly being held responsible for the majority of the losses or anything bad that happens within the team. I’ve watched every game this season and on numerous occasions he passes out and people miss wide open shots, many times.

Jimmer Fredette is viewed as almost the total opposite of Evans. Jimmer is a lot worse defensively the Tyreke, drives into traffic frequently, hesitates on a fair amount of open shots and also jacks up bad shots in traffic. Against the Bulls Jimmer took the possession, did some pointless iso moves around the perimeter and passed out to JT who was positioned just within the perimeter with a few seconds left (low, low percentage shot for him) who is forced to kick out to Thornton who has no time to do anything but to shoot in HEAVY traffic for a deep, deep three. Jimmer also seems to have the ball stolen from him with relative ease. In my opinion, Isaiah Thomas has played much better than Jimmer.

With players coming out with these comments, especially the two players who are arguably the most important to the franchise, Westphal desperately needs to do something. The team has a huge potential, so hopefully if they manage to get a few wins a row things will start to flow much smoother. Remember that the teams they have played have been very good teams, including the Knicks who had some rookie step in and knock down threes all first quarter, meaning that the loss of Stoudemire didn’t affect them that much on offense, and he isn’t a force on defense.

by Toby93 on Jan 1, 2012 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

dude your missing the point,

I think a lot of people here are sarcastic when they blame Tyreke for the losses…he is our best player and when he struggles the kings struggle, and currently he is struggling.

by deucedeuce on Jan 1, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude your missing the point,

Thornton leads the team in FGA’s. He shot 70% from the field against the Lakers and we won. He shot 48% against Chicago in a 10 pt lose. And, he shot in the low to mid 30’s against Portland and NY and we ended up losing in 20pt blowouts.

Tyreke and Thornton can’t play together. They are both high volume chuckers, in spite of Tyreke’s attempts at distributing the ball more. No one is breaking his neck tying to get open away from the ball when either one has the ball in their hands because they know that their efforts will go unnoticed and unrewarded.

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by HighTops on Jan 1, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll add...

Missed free throws, layups etc, come with confidence and that intangible successful vibe that starts with the head coach. If these same players were playing for a top tier coach everything would be different. There needs to be an environment of success… This comes from a coach with an effective system, but also that lockeroom atmosphere which breeds confidence and success… Westphal is unable to provide either, to put it kindly.

by mavisdory on Jan 1, 2012 2:45 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

This.

Ever notice that players do worst in their careers when they play here? Outlaw getting minutes over Cisco? Who knows, maybe he will start tonight. Nobody knows their roles and feels insecure.

by fryingpan136 on Jan 1, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that he isn’t playing as well as everybody knows he can, but I would not label Tyreke as performing any worse than the team is as a whole. Hayes is playing well and JT is doing okay off the bench for the limited time he plays (which I have no problem with), but it just seems everybody is stating he isn’t a point guard and should be traded constantly, which I can’t believe is sarcasm. There is a lot of pressure on Tyreke, as noted on the broadcast last night he was overthinking the free throws etc. There are 4 players starting on this time with him too.

by Toby93 on Jan 1, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions  

This is the beginning of the end

Question: What do you get when you add the following:

1. DeMarcus wants out.
2. ‘Reke is unhappy.
3. Cisco looks unhappy at the end of the bench.
4. Jimmer’s getting tainted.
5. Thornton isn’t getting any help.
6. Westphal has lost the team.

Answer: Another losing season, which equates to empty arena seats, which equates to “The Return of The Anaheim Kings.”

Proudly banned from Haterville, 4-7-10.

by 22gigantes on Jan 1, 2012 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

eh, I ain't worried about Anahiem

If the arena situation stays on track here the Kings are staying win or lose. And even if the arena situation here hits some snags i don’t see Anaheim in the future. They’d be leaving behind millions in revenue sharing under the new CBA to go compete with the Lakers and now very popular and good Clippers. i just don’t see the league allowing them to go there eve if Sacramento fumbles the arena deal.

by deadenddude on Jan 1, 2012 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

"If the arena situation stays on track" ???

That’s a big “if.” The fans are going to get fed up with the losses, the horrible mismanagement, and the NBA’s corruption in general and the arena situation will derail. Only an exciting season (and playoff subsequent playoff berth) could have saved Sacramento.

Proudly banned from Haterville, 4-7-10.

by 22gigantes on Jan 1, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

You need to fully read up on the arena efforts

before you spout the notion that some fed up fans can derail the process. It is a simple function at this point of whether or not the city can secure all of the needed financing, which will need to be done with private funds and parking revenue, thus avoiding the need for a public vote. This team could make the playoffs this year, and the public would still not vote a dime for the arena, so wins and losses are not a factor.

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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok so it's not an Inside Job

Good point here about how the increased value of the Clippers decreases the likelihood of another team trying to move in on LA territory.

How silly I was to think that the Kings ownership and management had co-conspired to sink the Kings this season so that they would have an easier time moving to Anaheim.

by convoy on Jan 1, 2012 5:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Why else would they

Do a full-on press release about DeMarcus’ “demand” for a trade? DeMarcus denies it was a demand, but rather a request.

Proudly banned from Haterville, 4-7-10.

by 22gigantes on Jan 1, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

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