SACRAMENTO, CALIF., Jan. 1, 2012 -- "Whenever a new season begins, in any sport, there is great hope that everything will progress in only a steady, upward direction. As we all know, it seldom happens like that in this life!
As coaches, we can only ask that our players do everything they can to improve themselves as individuals and teammates. If they do this with all their hearts, we live with the results.
Everything that happens on a team does not become known to the public. This is how it should be. However, when a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely.
DeMarcus Cousins has demanded to be traded. In the best interest of our team as we go forward, he has been directed by me, with the support of management, to stay home from the New Orleans game tonight."
Official Statement from Paul Westphal
This team is a mess right now. Jason Jones and Sam Amick are both reporting that DeMarcus did NOT demand a trade. Adrian Wojnarowski is reporting that DeMarcus yelled "Trade me now" after the NYK games in a heated exchange with Westphal. And Westphal himself is saying that DeMarcus has asked to be traded twice.
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"Whenever a new season begins, in any sport, there is great hope that everything will progress in only a steady, upward direction."
But this is the Kings. So forget it.
by nbrans on Jan 1, 2012 3:31 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
like saying,
at least in Hell, it’s a dry heat.
This.
by elfboy_ on Jan 1, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If he doesn't want to be a King
goodbye Cousins…hope we can get someone who wants to be a team player in return
that's a little short sighted
The whole thing probably as more to do with DeMarcus not wanting to be in the difficult situation he finds himself in know and is probably longing for the days when his best was good enough and where seemingly everything he does is wrong. I think both Reke and DMC are stuggling with the demands of becoming a high level NBA player. I don’t think either of them were prepared for just how they were going to have to work to get to the level any team would expect to work hard to reach.
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
nate21h@evilcowtowninc.com
by Bluejohn on Jan 1, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The Kings want to move, remember?
If you want to keep the fans home (and the arena empty), you put out a statement like this. You let the team go down hill. You bank on the fans getting fed up with the team and any hope of a new arena deal squashed.
Proudly banned from Haterville, 4-7-10.
Oh dear God
This officially a nightmare
by folsomfella on Jan 1, 2012 4:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The Maloofs on moving the team next season...
by Ryan J on Jan 1, 2012 4:12 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
WTF
Was this statement even vetted by the front office or is it straight from Westphal. If he did demand a trade why in the hell would they put a press release out there about it. Why not just keep this in house. Makes no freakin sense.
To me it comes off more as Westphal trying to save his own ass and pointing fingers with the front office having no fucking clue how to manage this franchise.
@dampania
by dampania on Jan 1, 2012 4:14 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
Maybe, but what's the purpose in putting in a press release?
What does it accomplish, except further validate the perception that this organization is incompetent from the top down
@dampania
well
if it was so heinous as to the point of no return where he is an absolute cancer and everyone is tired of his shit, it certaintly could create a sense of teamwork and togetherness with all the other players as Cousins is just utterly cut off and too much of a cancer no matter what and had to be shunned publicly for the good of the team.
Would I bet on that though?
Boogie come back...
you can blame it all on westphal he was wrong…. and we all wanted an excuse to fire PW anyway!!!
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Jan 1, 2012 4:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yeah I Agree..
Cousins is my favorite player on this team..and he clearly has the most potential
but if all is lost
heres the bright side
one of the strongest draft classes ever, is around the corner
plus we can trade him for the less talented but clearly good
derrick williams..
We won't get near market value in this scenario.
by fryingpan136 on Jan 1, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's what I'm thinking too.
Right now this is a black eye for the team, but in the long run it’s not super meaningful. We have Cousins locked up for as long as we want. He has no power in this situation.
If they trade Cousins, I am done with this team.
by boredwiththeUSA on Jan 1, 2012 4:14 PM PST reply actions 13 recs
I completely agree with this.
If they were to back Westphal to that degree given his ‘success’ in Sacramento, then this franchise is beyond rooting for.
by Hoops Mike on Jan 1, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
is this a joke??
the first two paragraphs….
and then the 3rd?? wow…
what a mess of a situation
What the....
This is is just…I don’t even have the words.
Eff Westphal, and eff whoever let that dumbass put out a statement to the press like that when it should be kept in-house.
by TheRaven on Jan 1, 2012 4:16 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
FIRE PETRIE
Enough is enough, who has been putting this crap together for the last 6-8 years. Have not had a coach with a clue since Adelman. Have a new franchise every other year, never get a FA
When you circle the wagons and choose to leave a building block hanging
you better really really really know what you are doing and have the pedigree to lead.
Westphal just threw all of his chips in the middle of the table and hoping to roll a hard 6.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 1, 2012 4:21 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Amazing
How can a retread Coach with mediocre results so publicly spat with his young players? I think it is telling of how he runs this team, and the lack of growth in his tenure with the Kings.
by MichaelMack on Jan 1, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Just waiting to hear the facts at this point
and having a hard time seeing myself getting really excited to watch this particular team for the rest of this season. Will always be a Kings fan but I am at the point where I am watching a lot more games that don’t involve the Kings and am about at the point where I would rather just not torture myself for awhile.
I can't believe I am going to say this
but I think I might start putting Minnesota on the DVR just to see what Adelman does with Love/Beasley/Rubio/Williams
by MichaelMack on Jan 1, 2012 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A very dysfunctional team right now
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
You guys want Dalembert back?
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
by Xiane on Jan 1, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lowry has officially been off the hook so far this season.
I thought he might keep his gains from 2nd half of last year, but he’s gone another notch above it.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
The stats are confirming what I was seeing last year
that Lowry is a top 10 PG. He’s arguably the best in the West right now (in a very small sample size).
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
My current favorite Rocket, btw.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
used to also be my favorite Grizzly
definitely one of my stupid random ass “always liked that guy players.”
Those are some of my favorite guys in the NBA.
I’ll watch games just to see them.
Some I like for perverse reasons. I like to watch Noah on CHI for instance, and Iguodala.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
absolutely on Noah and Iggy
Rose (okay maybe not random), Bogut, Nene, Delonte, Ginobili, Maynor, and a few others I am sure
That's a good list.
I’ve seen a little too much of Ginobili to find him charming anymore.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Yes, that's a good description.
If he wasn’t always doing dickish things to Rockets I’d like him more. Still fun to watch when it isn’t happening to my team.
Duncan is another guy I enjoy watching, but he’s really looking old this year. Sad, really.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
I'm weird with the Duncan's of the world
because I always kind of enjoyed the guys who keep on playing past their primes. Well maybe not always but just off the top of my head I always thought it was kind of badass that somebody like Mutombo played until his body literally wouldn’t let him anymore. But then again there are Hakeem Raptor’s jerseys out there.
No, there are no Hakeem Raptor jerseys.
That didn’t happen. He retired a Rocket. La la la la, I can’t hear you.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
I'd rather have Kevin Martin and/or Kyle Lowry
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
Martin has been on fire the last three games.
He had to get used to the new system that doesn’t provide as many screens. Last night he scored 27, with only 3pts being at the line. KM – 27pts Joe Johnson – 15pts.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Well, you might be surprised to learn.
That Martin has been a polarizing figure on The Dreamshake. One camp has been sure that he’d be worthless with the difference in foul calling this year. And to be fair, he’s not even gotten reasonable calls, when he should have.
Another camp has thought that he’s a scorer and will find a way to score. Absent the Orlando game, that looks good right now.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Apparently, we're having a potential franchise player fire sale.
I bet Morey could pull off netting Cuz and Reke for T-Will and a conditional 2nd round draft pick.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
Demarcus is to blame for this incident
but I can’t really blame a cornerstone of the franchise for not buying into a coach like PW. PW needs to go – this is the last straw most fans have been looking for.
Demarcus needs to grow up. He knows he’s not going to get traded and for the Kings to trade him for anything other than a knockout package would be ridiculous. Who does DMC think he is? Maybe I need the facts about what actually went down, but demanding a trade? Cmon man thats too weak. PW had no choice but to send him home honestly.
It's not necessarily his fault at this point.
If you privately ask to be traded, that’s not a franchise melting thing to do. The GM can shop you around and have the upperhand in negotiations.
This statement basically ties Petrie’s hands in any sort of trading negotiations.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 1, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Personally, I think we as fans should express our disapproval of Westphal and the handling of this team.
I think we should let the front office know that we are not going to be one bit happy if they trade Boogie.
Fire Westphal; keep Boogie.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 1, 2012 4:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
WOW
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
From Sam Amick
Cousins’ agent, John Greig, tells SI.com: “DeMarcus never demanded a trade. I’m surprised the Kings, if they believe the player wanted…”
4 games into an NBA season
A team that most people didnt think was a playoff team starts 1-3 vs 4 playoff teams of last year… and its armageddon?? How did this get so bad, so fast?
I've watched Sac a couple of times, and they look promising to me.
Need one good wing defender for sure, but lots of other mismatches out there for them.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
A combination
Malindas promising they will spend, and this will be THE YEAR
Tyreke injured last year, He’ll be back to ROY form.
DMC to a lesser extent
and the team isn’t showing effort. That’s why were here.
missed shots
we have alot just missed a ton of shots. Free throws, Cousins layups, Jimmer and MT and Outlaws 3s. Some more shots start falling and Im not ready to give up on this team.
Im just surprised the staff and players arent giving it at least 10 games before they start coming apart
by OKO on Jan 1, 2012 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
This.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 1, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
So where are all of the "Sky is Falling" mockers now?
PW needs to go.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Jan 1, 2012 4:33 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
PW needs to go.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 1, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No kidding.
The dude hasn’t had a clue since day 1.
This is amazing
I guess Chicken Little-itis isn’t only plaguing this site, its now gone viral!
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
It seems like there's a lot of public laundry airing with Sacramento.
It makes me wonder about the front office. Last year in Houston, I’m pretty sure it was a cold war between Adelman and Morey, but you didn’t hear a whisper, except for Adelman grousing a bit about no contract extension. As if he was going to get that while never ever playing the guys Morey traded for.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
This is sad. And pathetic.
Repeat of last season. Westphal feeling the heat, so shifts attention so that its not about his inability to coach, which threatens his NBA future indefinitely (if he gets fired, he will never be an NBA head coach again), its about a bad apple on his roster.
Classic deflection, conscious or not. And this line in press release was not tossed in by accident “…with the support of management…” as means to make it harder to get rid of him in the near future.
Is it fair to punish the rest of the Kings by excluding your best rebounder/post player tonight b/c you cannot get along? Now they are at disadvantage because you cannot manage the personalities on your team.
Cousins seems to me the sort of person who does not automatically respect another person because they are in position of authority or because of their title. (By the way this is normal before societal pressures intervene.) Respect is earned based on intangible character-based qualities like humor, loyalty, caring and intelligence. I perceive this in him because I am the same way.
Westphal, by contrast, expects compliance and respect based on his position as head coach. Cousins says “it doesn’t work that way. You need to earn my respect through the quality of your actions.” (By the way, I am referring to respecting him as a coach, not as a person. Everyone deserves respect as a human being, but there is a difference between respecting someone professionally versus inherent respect as a fellow human being.)
In Cousins view, Westphals’ actions as a head coach (substitutions, strategy, play design, disciplinary decisions) has been piss-poor. This seems fairly indisputable at this point.
Accordingly, the level of respect Cousins has for his head coach is minimal (unlike Coach Calipari who he spoke very highly of…), and this is the source of the repeated confrontation, exacerbated by the frustration of three lopsided losses.
Westphal needs to be fired really soon.
I was going to write a fan post today, but suffering from a hangover from hell. If I had my wits about me, I want to advocate our new interim head coach to save the season….
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Jan 1, 2012 4:35 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
I'll second that BB, Jerry Reynolds can handle the guys for the interim, if he is willing.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
i would agree about the Cousins assessment
why not just go to the GM and say, “its either me or him. PW is an idiot and he needs to go”
Out of deep respect to Jerry
Are you effing insane? You want poor Jerry to try to clean up this mess as coach?
HAPPY NEW YEAR, StR, ENJOY THIS KICK IN THE JUNK
No mikev, no peace
Know mikev, know peace
by Mike Garza on Jan 1, 2012 4:38 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm not on the fire westphal bandwagon(let his contract play out then find a new coach in the offseason)
But if I have to choose between him and Cousins, I’ll pay for the taxi to the unemployment office for Westphal.
I don’t like this statement at all, nothing good can come from it. If Cousins was out of line, suspend him and don’t air your dirty laundry out in public like this.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 4:40 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
The one game I'm going to this season is tonight...
How exciting for me. Maybe I can start a “Fire Westphal” chant.
by omikron on Jan 1, 2012 4:41 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Cousins is even more like Webber than we thought.....
Unfortunately it’s the same one that feuded with Don Nelson before getting sent out of town to the Wizards/Bullets in his second year.
Hey
Basically I like these players as comparisons to Cousins. They had their "Swagger" and were very talented. For the most part they had successful careers but they also burned a lot of bridges when they were younger. Cousins, like these high profile bigs before him, is under a media microscope and everything he does and everything that happens around him, he will be judged (regardless of whether it’s fair or not). I hope he can handle it, but hey he’s a kid and it’s not easy. I just hope he doesn’t end up burning bridges early on in his career like Sheed, Coleman, or Webber. I would hate to have to look back 15 years from now thinking "Hey Cousins had a pretty nice career. Too bad the Kings had to move him out of Sacramento after only 5 and a half years. He turned into a really solid veteran."
Well written.
I said previously that I’m not sure how much this matters in the short term, Cousins is locked up whether he likes it or not, but it is depressing to think that he could be following in the footsteps of those former greats.
I guess it’s going to be awesome though for whichever team comes up third or fourth in line.
This is all part of the Maloofs plan
to create an absolute dumpster fire so that the fans become apathetic about the team staying in Sacramento.
If they haven't driven you away by now, what else do they have to do?
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Have L*kers' fans sit in their seats. Oh, wait....
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence
That said – this is perhaps the most fucked up team I’ve ever heard of in professional sports.
As a Raider fan, I might have to disagree.
Then again, this is pretty bad. Maybe it takes the cake.
I hear that
I’m a die hard Raider and Kings fan. Lousy way to start the year, huh?
It is Major League but real-life (Losing on purpose to move the team)
My buddy and I spoke about this before the season ever started.
I don’t think the Maloofs have ANY interest in Sacramento. This is their DREAM scenario. If they can create fan base indifference, it gives them cover for a move. Have they made any REAL effort to improve the franchise? Will they dump an AWFUL coach? The answer to #1 is NO. If the answer to #2 is NO also, then we have our answer.
Out with the old in with the new...
i like the idea of bringing in bill walton as our next coach
after having him as a part time commentator
he really showed his willingness to play through and develop demarcus
Aside from the discussion of whether this would be a good/bad move
Im pretty sure Walton has some serious health concerns, and wouldn’t be able to handle the nomadic life of an NBA coach. Pretty sure this is the reason he only broadcasts for a couple games a year
Well... The constant Marijuana smoke in the locker room might calm Cousins down...
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
remember last year
grant “here’s the round table pizza delivery of the night!” – walton “…..i love pizza”
I really really really hope the team pulls through this...
….i just wanted to watch basketball this season and enjoy it, i wasnt really worried about playoffs or our record…. but now i cant even enjoy our regular season games
This is crazy
You cannot lose a future star because he’s sick of this shitty coach. Cousins may spout off too much but he’s frustrated by the direction of this team. He wants to win and the coach is terrible. If he called Westphal out I can’t blame him. This cannot become one of those situations where a team trades a star player because he calls out a coach who needs to be and will be replaced anyhow. The other players will back Cousins and it’s clear to see… The coach runs a depressing locker room and implements a simpleton, ineffective offense and defense. Fire the coach to save this team. Please.
by mavisdory on Jan 1, 2012 4:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions 20 recs
I want to make five accounts
just so that I can rec this five times.
Get
Mike Fratello on the line.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say the Kings opt to trade Cousins - what kind of haul would y'all expect in return?
Anything off the Nuggets work?
Nate_Timmons on Twitter
DenverStiffs.com
Colorado Sports Guys podcast We're on iTunes (free!)
A Nene and Lawson package
And we’d have a deal
Nene cannot be traded yet
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Notwithstanding that, the point still stands.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
That’d be a very interesting deal.
Nate_Timmons on Twitter
DenverStiffs.com
Colorado Sports Guys podcast We're on iTunes (free!)
you're in luck
the collective of commenters here can get to together Voltron style and we form into Geoff Petrie.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 1, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cool, it'll be like the time I almost got Kevin Love from Minnesota for
Jared Jefferies and a clock radio.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
by Xiane on Jan 1, 2012 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand how Jeffries still gets minutes for the Knicks
at least I didn’t, until Josh freaking Harrellson lit us up.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
That was odd to me - but what did JJ do?
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
How about Afflalo and Lawson
And we’ll throw in Salmons just for the hell of it
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
Nope, chasm'd
Just put two of their most valuable players in there. If we absolutely, positively had to trade Cousins, we need a decent big man in return. I wasn’t kidding about the Salmons part though
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
I'd take this
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7m55x2f
Of all teams, Cousins probably has the most value in WAshington due to Wall being there. They might think Cousins would be happy there.
It's not as funny when the King's FO might actually consider it as an option.
They’re almost that stupid.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
I'd have fun watching teams try to defend
DMC, Scola, Martin and Lowry.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
He won a H.O.R.S.E. championship.
What else do you need?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Jan 1, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You never let it come down to the choice if at all possible, it's no win.
In the midst of Tracy McGrady’s “comeback” season he started telling the media what his minutes should be – that was the very end. This situations, if they get out, are always just horrible. If there’s grumbling like that it’s better to find a minor player and make an example of him. Trade him for a bag of peanuts.
The Rockets survived a whole year of grousing from Hakeem though, and went on to win two titles, so don’t despair.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
by Xiane on Jan 1, 2012 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the sound of that
The Rockets survived a whole year of grousing from Hakeem though, and went on to win two titles, so don’t despair.
Also, know if Rudy T is interested in coaching again?
I don't think so
He had some health issues and as far as I know is content to be a Lakers scout now.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Last I recall
he’s totally retired at this point.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6quuu6o
"Where hope goes to die"
Or maybe I've been reverse-chasm'd
"Where hope goes to die"
this trade would be really tough to leave tyreke but it makes sense
by Nickcarmondog on Jan 2, 2012 4:31 AM PST up reply actions
You know what?
GOOD! There I said it! Im tired of his shitty little rockstar attitude! CANT WAIT TO BOO THE FUCKER NEXT TIME HE IS IN ARCO!!!!
I somehow doubt this is true.
Because if it was, WHY MAKE A GODDAMN PRESS RELEASE?! Tanked his value.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 1, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Or you know...
They could just fire the coach that the entire roster is clearly over and get someone in here who knows what he’s doing.
Why anyone, including Petrie and ownership would choose Westphal over Cousins is beyond me.
I have the back of Cousins.
He’s right to come after Westphal after that game.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 1, 2012 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
got no faith in Westphal and DMC is my favorite Kings player
but no clue how DMC behaved nor Westphal for that matter.
I dont care how bad Westphal is..
Cousins is being payed millions of dollars to be a PROFESSIONAL basketball player… What happens when he doesn’t get along with the next coach, or our next star player? How much should the kings bow down to this immature baby? Flopping fucking games to try and prove a point? Goodbye Mr Cousins..
That is a ridiculous take.
DMC is a kid.
Westphal is a bonafide idiot as a coach.
DMC needs to be managed. Are you not the least bit curious why Phil Jackson and Chuck Daly could manage notorious head-cases? How about Rick Adelman? Do you think DMC is more difficult than Dennis Rodman, the Kobe/Shaq relationship, Ron Artest, Chris Webber, Isiah Thomas?
Westphal is terrible. Managing personalities is part of being a good coach.
by Hoops Mike on Jan 1, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
???????
I think your take is wildly misplaced.
Cousin’s agent is denying that DMC even requested a trade. Cousins is 21 years old. He has shown nothing but passion on the court – that is ALL that matters. He isn’t having issues because of his play on the court, he is having them because the front office seems incapably of addressing personalities off the court. That is a front office problem.
There is NO WAY that DMC presents more challenges than did Dennis Rodman (at his best). Remember the Shaq/Kobe debacle? How are you comparing DMC’s minor issues with these guys? Give the young man some guidance.
He's not right to
Still doesn’t change the fact that I think it would be far more beneficial to the team to fire Westphal than to trade Cousins.
two different issues though
personally I would either agree with you or get rid of both depending on facts we don’t have yet. Either way, wouldn’t be sending out this press release though.
No question about the press release
God, that’s stupid.
How does that not send Cousins’ value down the tubes?
I’m sure this will all be over sooner rather later. We can only hope for the best.
You find hating on Cousins fun?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Causing problems with Westphal
I don’t really think any of the players are siding with Westphal right now.
And it may not be worth it now, but I just don’t think you give up on a talent like Cousins four games into his second year.
Guys can and do mature all the time.
I was completely different at 20 than I am now.
I'd be so frustrated as a player
to be running a horrible version of the Princeton offense and never scoring on designed plays. I’d be frustrated as a center to have both my guards not getting back on D because they don’t know which one is supposed to be back. He’s right to confront the coach and question him a little bit. These were the same problems they had last year. AND his designed spacing is so aweful.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 1, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
He’s right to confront the coach and question him a little bit.
We have zero clue right now if here merely just confronted the coach and questioned him a little bit. Heck for all we know Westphal could have blown his lid and ripped into Cousins for no reason. Just saying you don’t know that he was right to do what he did.
But doesn't a press release imply at least some support for Westphal in the FO?
Why would they release a press release unless they were damn sure it was Cousins who was out of line? I think if we can say anything with some measure of certainty it’s that Cousins went at least a little nuts, whether it was justified or not is debatable and something we probably can’t know for sure because we weren’t there but that Cousins was the aggressor I have little doubt.
no sorry wasn't saying what I thought happened
my point was just we don’t know who crossed what line at all so I don’t see the point of saying DMC was in the right. We are at the Mike Tyson zone here. At this point if someone told me DMC slapped Petrie in the face and proceeded to dry hump him, I am not sure if I would be surprised. Anything and everything is on the table short of unicorns sprouting out of Bobby Jackson’s butt.
I'd want to get traded too if my assistant coach's butt had a mane sticking out of it.
"Where hope goes to die"
I understand it was a hypothetical
and that you weren’t saying you thought Paul was at fault. My only point is that I think the greater (much greater) chance is that Cousins was the one who was out of line.
I just think that the FO allowing a statement like this to be put on the team website, means that they to a huge extent back the coach’s narrative, which to me at least gives some support to his claim (certainly more than DC has at this point).
But you are certainly fair in making the point that nothing is going to be a surprise at this point. Anything can happen and it’s almost guaranteed to be ugly.
Whoa
WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
In loud exchange with Paul Westphal on Saturday after NY loss, some Kings heard DeMarcus Cousins yelling, “Trade me now,” sources tell Y!
mr_jasonjones Jason Jones
Westphal says Cousins has asked to be traded twice, hasn’t decided if he will go on road with team this week.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Jan 1, 2012 4:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oh boy.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
This is getting worse and worse
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This sounds more like a a big "Fuck you" to PW than an "I want out" issue to me.
Just my opinion though.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
I don't take that as a direct trade demand
From a really emotional player, yelling “Trade me now” seems like just a yell of frustration, not a formal trade demand. Apparently it’s happened more than once (Jones Tweet) but I still don’t think they are formal trade demands, just showing frustration. Westphal is throwing DMC under the bus to cover his own ass and is making more of these “Trade Demands” than is based in reality. Just my two cents though
If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Robert Horry twice.
by amiles2233 on Jan 1, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if we were to assume this is correct
I am not sure throwing out the “Trade me now” in the middle of an arguement is just day to day stuff.
Absolutely
I don’t think it should be shrugged off. I was just trying to point out that Westphal is hyping this up to cover his own ass.
If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Robert Horry twice.
Please change your signature.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
You should read his signature
before asking why I think he should change it.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
I did.
It’s funny.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Really?
So now you think its funny?
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
Why do you not like it?
I’m not trying to be an ass, I am genuinely curious?
Obviously, it might be in somewhat poor taste, but I think most around here, especially if you consider the audience see it as a joke.
Horry lost his young daughter to a disease last year
That’s a fate I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
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Mentioning the names of two of the most despised people IN ALL OF HISTORY is not a joke.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 2, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
We all need to remember we are only 4 games into this season.
Eff that….this shit is a real mess.
Always put your right shoe on first, because if you put your left shoe on first then your right shoe will be left...and you will have two left shoes.
Scooby Doo might be a better coach at this point.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Smart is a competent coach.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 1, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
struggles with rotations
on a team with a lot of different talents, could spell trouble.
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This sucks
But if we have to, how about cousins for P Gasol or Bynum
If the Kings blow the doors off New Orleans tonight
We’ll know what’s going on with this team
Honestly.
Looking for them to get blown out. By a mediocre team. By ALOT.
Cousins might be the most vocal in regards to Westphal, but I doubt he’s the only who feels the way he does.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I have a feeling we're definitely losing tonight.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
He's so good
He doesn’t even need to suit up to help the team
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 5:10 PM PST up reply actions
In fact, it probably helps if he doesn't.
"Where hope goes to die"
I would like to remain optimistic in a time like this, but
were definitely taking a knee to the nuts tonight.
you guys know who's making a comback dont you???
Trade Cousins for that point guard kings fans have been wanting…
….and sign……. Greg fucking Ostertag, back up center time baby
Cousins is a little bitch
And PW needs to go.
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by Josh L on Jan 1, 2012 5:06 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Found out about this literally as Carson Palmer threw the game sealing INT
Sometimes I fucking hate sports.
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by Mike Garza on Jan 1, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I know
This has been a bad sports day for me
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Its my birthday
Raiders fan as well. Probably will remember this one for a while.
It just sucks that we had a chance to win it
A lot of stupid mistakes all game. Oh, and almost fittingly, we set the record for most penalties in a season. What a way to end the season
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
The raiders
had to reclaim that title. They knew they weren’t going to win a superbowl title so they opted for that.
It's hard being a Kings fan right now.
But as a niners and giants guy, I feel pretty good.
Oh wait, my favorite player on my favorite team might get traded. No, I feel awful.
I agree
Sometimes I wonder why I continue to put myself through the abuse.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
It's OK, because we have Hassan Whiteside.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
hopefully DMC doesnt pull a Marbury
and buy front row seats to tonights game
I was thinking about that too
Kind of hope he does
EVERYBODY JUST CALM THE "F" DOWN
This guy could come back
or maybe this guy
YEAH THATS WHAT I THOUGHT, SO EVERYBODY TALKING ABOUT FIRING PW SHUT THE “F” UP
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
Problem with firing Wesphal now
You’ve just enabled more poor Boogie behavior.
by bignerd on Jan 1, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It started when they put those big posters on Arco.
They gave too much credit and recognition with no performance.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
yep
Put Tyreke and DMCs face all over town and now they think they are bigger then the franchise.
by ridingthebench on Jan 1, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
That's a good point, but people were calling for PW's head before Boogie exchanged his thoughts with him.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
This is a legitimate point.
Westphal REALLY tied Petrie’s hands here.
I still think you just wait long enough to create plausible deniability between the events, and then fire Westphal. They should start creating a list of candidates immediately.
Wow. So you don't want Westy to leave because of those two.
Talk about a person with vision.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
they should have never released this statement
by ridingthebench on Jan 1, 2012 5:15 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Perhaps, Westphal wanted to explain why Cousins isn't playing tonight.
I honestly don’t know, though.
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
If that were the case
Just say Cousins is not with the team tonight and it’s a sensitive issue and we’ll have more for you later.
Why torpedo his trade value right off the bat if that is indeed the case?
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed. That's makes the most sense with the information given
but, unfortunately, we still don’t have all the facts. I’m in no way condoning this statement, by the way.
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
I also agree!!
Bad news to spill out to the public and us fans..hope this situation gets resolved asap!
by JORGE209 on Jan 1, 2012 5:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Can we trade Westphal for someone else instead?
I’ll even help draft the press release for that if the Kings want.
This.
westphal , for adelman . maloofs for burkle.
by Beer_man on Jan 1, 2012 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We should just start
letting players choose the teams they want to go to out of college right? Save time and heartache for a lot of teams. I hate athletes these days.
He may have run his mouth a bit last night...
However, I was impressed with his hustle and play in the early part of the season.
Problem though, is that even if you bring in a new coach, you still are stuck with the flawed roster that petrie has created.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Perhaps a coach without Westphal's defencienties
Would get more out of the roster.
I’m fairly certain they would.
you're still banking on evans deciding that it is not a rule violation to pass the ball.
only PG on this team is Thomas, and he is not going to get significant run.
It is a roster of ball stopping wings and inconsistent big men- except for the guy sitting home tonight, averaging a double double.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 1, 2012 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A new coach to keep these guys accountable
Would help immensely. With ALL of the problems.
Don’t really agree with your assessment of Tyreke on the whole, but there have benn “black hole” type players on winning teams.
If these guys were playing for someone who they respected, was consistent, and knew how to utilize their strengths and hid their weaknesses, all while developing a sound offensive strategy based around the talent at his disposal, they would win more ball games.
Would make a world of difference.
their strengths are dribbling and trying to get off their own shot.
and that is the offense.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
No.
That’s what they try to do when they have no faith in the coach or his system.
Honestly, what this team is missing most is urgency and purpose and you see it in everything they do.
They don’t want to run for Westphal anymore.
Another coach they might respect that might develop them just a little bit might just break them of bad habits and not going hard all game.
The Laker game is a prime example of what this team could and should be.
well you cant break them of bad habits with no training camp or practice.
I’m not making any excuses for westphal, i think he should go.
However, the roster is incredibly flawed.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Agree
Cousins’ on the court behavior lead me to believe he has a will to win and play hard. Off the court, his behavior seems to be out of pure frustration.
Yeah.....
there is a certain amount of irony to the fact that the teams most unhappy player has also been by far the most hustling, and passionate on the floor.
What goes on in the locker room
should stay in the locker room. Unless it’s Penn State’s locker room.
by Bill2 on Jan 1, 2012 5:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Trade me now
Former Infant / Future Corpse
by swoosh91 on Jan 1, 2012 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny but not really funny and not particularly appropriate either.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont know
Could there be a chance Westphal sees the writing on the wall and is trying to get fired instead of walking, could it be a financilly better way to exit?
Maybe Westphal just wants out of this train wreck.
"Where hope goes to die"
Im actually escited to see how we do without all the negativity in our lockerroom and in practice...
Why do you just automatically assume
The negativity is all coming from Cousins?
I seriously doubt that’s the case.
This doesn’t help anything. It makes it much worse in fact.
Cousins is not "all the negativity"
… He’s actually the player showing the most passion, and several of the players had snide remarks about this terrible coach’s approach. This is a talented roster. With a good coach who promotes a winning atmosphere none of this would be an issue.
by mavisdory on Jan 1, 2012 5:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm mad
Not only did I see a horrible Kings game last night, but I happened to buy a Cousins’ jersey in the team store. I spent 5 minutes going back and forth between buying a Demarcus or Jimmer jersey. I chose poorly!!
My thoughts as well
I love a balloon!
-George Carlin
by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
Who are potential replacements?
Other than Kieth Smart?
I would like to see a recently retired player, who has some fire.
Or guy I would love to see is Frank Martin, Kansas St coach
it happened in that whoopi goldberg movie...
just sayin.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Actually it happens
Grizzlies did it with Hollins a couple years ago, after initially firing Iavaroni and naming an assistant the interim coach for a couple days
Some probably remember... How many "PUBLIC" spats have PW had with players?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
We need someone who our players will respect first and foremost.
But we also need someone who actually can create plays that cater to our players.
Stay or Go?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Honestly
Both probably have to go. If the Kings can flip DMC for another promising young, big they should do it.
The reason both don't go
is “promising young, bigs” are scarce in this league.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
I've been a big fan of Cousins
but he can’t act like this with the numbers he has put up. I would be ok trading Cousins for Greg Monroe and admit our mistake. With our arena situation I would rather not have this type of bad news. Fire Westpaul and I put Tyreke on a short leash before we trade him.
We are pretty much the new Clippers and need to start winning ASAP.
by SharkKings49 on Jan 1, 2012 5:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Before you guys go down the path of Cousins for Monroe, please consider the fact that Monroe is actually the better basketball player right now
and is actually fulfilling his potential. I wouldn’t want you to continue deluding yourself with ideas that Monroe + pieces or even Monroe straight up is even close to the kind of value you’ll get for Cousins after the way he’s acted in just over a year in the league.
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And to think I just bought a Cousins jersey last night...
If he is traded then I have lost a lot of hope for this franchise…Fire Westphal NOW.
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trade possibillity
tyreke for rubio
cousins for love
adleman for westphal
i still hold out hope that tyreke will figure out that passing is a good thing.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Timberwolves
are on League Pass if anyone wants to adopt a young team who plays the right way.
KAHN WUZ RIGHT
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Countdown to Westphal-Cousins Chest Bump begins.
Remember Hawes.
This.
by elfboy_ on Jan 1, 2012 5:27 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Contract year.
It happens all the time in every sport. (Kris Humphries last season).
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 20, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I know the players won't like it,
but at this point, I’d even prefer Peaches as coach of this team.
Free Westphal. Somebody drive him out to the wilderness and release him.
This.
Cousins and PW for Rubio and Adelman
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
I'm not even sold on Cousins as a player
We should trade him while he still has perceived value around the league. The guy has absolutely no awareness about game situations as well as his own game. It’s ok if you don’t have any hops, but at least get crafty around the hoop with pump fakes and head fakes. Cousins gets his shot swatted more than any other big in the league right now when he does his little jump hooks.
He should be playing like a better Vlade, but in reality he plays like a crappy Webber.
Cousins will be a starting center on a very successful NBA team one day.
And it had better be our team.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 1, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
The question now is this:
Is management smart enough, savy enough, and have the green light to go out and handle this like they should.
Eventually, this whole situation will end revealing more about the FO and the organization as a whole than it will Cousins or Westphal.
I COMPLETELY agree.
Unfortunately, I don’t have faith in our front office at all (which pains me to say as I think Petrie is really a very good GM, but seems to have compromised himself for some reason). The Maloofs are buffoons.
1 day.
That’s all the time I had before it took PW to suck all the optimism for a better year (at least for me personally) out of my life.
Damn doucheball. Trade PW. Fire PW. Amnesty PW. Sell PW. Out PW Out!
This.
by elfboy_ on Jan 1, 2012 5:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
However, when a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely.
I don’t embrace losing either. Sorry but I’ve been to every home game and am sitting in arco right now and our offense is paramount to “do what you can and see what happens” We’ve had advantages inside the past games and we jack up 3’s… The Knicks had their 3rd string center in because of foul trouble in the 2nd quarter and we make Outlaw our big man?!?!
FIRE WESTPHAL this is a joke…
by ahgraham on Jan 1, 2012 5:36 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
It's hard for me to comprehend how a disagreement , or whatever,
could be made public without a few days of cooling off and rehashing between player or players and coaching staff. If there was no way of resolving the conflict, well, ok release a press statement. It has been quite evident that the players have been unhappy with the losses and team coaching. It is hard to deal with players that have been pampered all their lives and when one becomes disgruntled, he is unable to handle it and the result is “trade me.” The handling of this was piss poorby management,
by Bill2 on Jan 1, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
PW getting ready to go on air on The Fan
Let’s see how he spins this shit
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The ONLY rational answer is to fire Westphal.
Look – it is quite likely that Cousins didn’t handle something well. He is a hot-headed kid, who sometimes says the wrong thing. That is NOT why this franchise is in shambles right now.
That distinction goes to the Maloofs and Paul Westphal (maybe to Petrie also depending on what constraints he is under).
What rational reason is there for retaining this coach aside from him being cheap? Personally, I don’t think the worst owners in the NBA (currently) care one iota if the team implodes as fan lethargy will just diminish their problems in moving the Kings – something they CLEARLY want.
Paul Westphal is a TRAINWRECK as coach. We are awful. He has no control of the locker room. The players have largely quit on him. There is complete confusion. There is next to no player development. What has he done worthy of retaining this team? Now he is wrecking the relationship with a very young, potential franchise big man……
What is the confusion?
by Hoops Mike on Jan 1, 2012 5:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Before the game, Westphal elaborated on the Cousins situation, "He can only have so many chances and something has to be done. And it’s time something has to be done." Westphal is not sure if Cousins will travel with the team on their two game road trip that begins on Tuesday in Memphis. He did say that Cousins needed to do some "soul searching" and that he hopes that, "DeMarcus has a change of heart and joins up with full reinstatement, that’s really up to him and I hope that."
http://tbt.blogs.nba.com/2012/01/01/hornets-at-kings-9-p-m-et/
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I wouldn't fire Westphal
I would throw him off the plane
I’m still optimistic things will get worked out in the end. This isn’t much worse than the fist fight with donte green or telling 1 of your assistant coaches to F-off. Or is it??? Either way I think Westphal is gone soon.
Westphal right now on The Fan:
“I hope…DeMarcus takes some stock in some of his actions….It’s about as far out of the blue as it can get….Hopefully, this will be the best thing for everybody and I hope it becomes the best thing for everybody…”
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More from Westphal...........
“It might take a little while to get over the way things are different now.”
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DMC is an emotional player
He’ll get over it if the Kings win tonight. Howver, if the Kings get blown out again PW will be on the hot seat.
by Sacramental on Jan 1, 2012 5:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
More Westphal (via interview with the G-man on 1140 The Fan)....
Jason Thompson and Travis Outlaw will get the minutes.
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What blows my mind is...
How did it come to this? I can think of a few people who played much worse then DMC. Also wasnt DMC joking around in the lockerroom after the game and Hayes had to tell him to stop joking around? So how did it go from joking around to TRADE ME? Unless PW called him out?
This has nothing to do with production
This is about the Kings wanting to move to Anaheim.
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If you mean because they are going on the cheap not willing to spend until they leave, alright
if you got some conspiracy going, I’m out
keep drinkin the cool-aid then
i’m sick of the whole situation
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The "C'mon, everything in the NBA is on the up-and-up" kool aid
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Specifically
I mean that you seem to disagree with me that the Maloofs would stoop so low as to orchestrate the press release that went out today.
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Specifically
I 100% don’t think the Maloofs would stoop so low as to orchestrate the press release that went out today in order to ruin the arena plans here. And I 1000% don’t think the NBA would play that card here.
Now, the fact that they kept PW this year on the cheap and hired a bunch of questionable assistant coaches and kept salary at the minimum to me is a good sign the organization is limiting expenses to keep flexible with the whole potential moving process and probably have zero commitment to staying unless they get their socks blown off in the negotiating. So in that sense, I could see the arguement this is about Anaheim: the fact they’d rather keep expenses at an absolutely minimum than try to compete and that in turns lets this lockeroom stuff get worse and worse.
Well said, Mr. 11.( If that is your real last name)
I love a balloon!
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
lol
Papst? I didn’t know we were going top shelf.
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
This is my conspiracy theory:
The fans are going to get fed up with the losses, the horrible (and orchestrated) mismanagement by Westphal & Co., and the NBA’s corruption in general. Ergo, the arena situation will derail. Only an exciting season (and playoff subsequent playoff berth) could have saved Sacramento.
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by 22gigantes on Jan 1, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think I just died from laughter.
Super-rec.
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by Mike Garza on Jan 1, 2012 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Which has absolutely nothing to do with whether they stay or go
It comes down to whether or not the city comes through on its plans to build a new arena. Won-loss record is a zero factor in those efforts.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd think W-L would have some effect on a vote on a new building.
If it goes to a public vote. Public would rather fund a winner, I’d think.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
no they are doing everything in their power to avoid a referendum
it’s kind of hard to explain if you aren’t from CA but we have a particular proposition here that makes it really difficult
Ah, ok.
Stadia always seem to go to a vote here, and usually we stick the cost on visitors to Houston somehow. Or booze or rental cars.
The new soccer stadium didn’t get any public money, except a land donation I think, but I’m not sure.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
yeah and the proposition (and it's amendments) I am referring to
limits when one can do boose or rental taxes and not sure if you want me to bore you with it
I won't be bored
but it basically sounds like a public vote is out of the question.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
There is no public vote
If there is, we’re doomed, regardless of won-loss record. There is no way a vote to spend money on anything passes in Sacramento’s economy right now. Not a chance.
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I'd wondered about that.
I hope this situation works out – I’m sorry to see a great fan base suffer.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Well, we sort of wanted to fire the Oilers owner, Bud Adams.
There wasn’t a massive “Save the Oilers” movement.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
No, I just meant as it pertained to a suffering fanbase
I would have liked for you guys to have had a healthy Yao with Adelman and the pieces that you had around him.
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Yao and McGrady, that wasn't fun.
You rarely see two major stars vaporize at the same time. Things are improving though.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
So far so good.
Without an offseason or camp he’s having to figure out player combinations in games, which has its problems. Some decisions are puzzling, but I’m happy he’s willing to play his bench.
Also, he seems very player friendly and has a simply amazing group of assistants.
Adelman wouldn’t play the young guys much at all, so far McHale seems more than willing to do that. He rode the starters hard last night vs Atlanta, but with 2 days off (which is a lot this year I guess) coming up before a trip to LA for Lakers/Clippers.
If the Rockets come out of their first 10 games with a winning record, look out for them.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
If there was to be a public vote
But there is not a public vote. So the point is moot.
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Sacramento couldn't fund an arena with a winning team and
A rabid fan base. The only thing keeping the Kings in SAC now are the efforts of Carmichael Dave and the die hard fans. My point is that the die hard fans are getting more and more fed up with the Kings, and the NBA in general.
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No
What’s keeping the Kings here is the efforts of the Mayor’s office. Had it not been for him, this team would already be gone, in spite of all of the rabid fans.
I feel as though you’ve come in halfway through this conversation. This is ground that has already been well covered around here, months ago.
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All KJ did was buy some time
….and the Maloofs are biding it. End of story.
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You're trolling
The fanbase doesn’t enter into it. It’s between the city and the NBA at this point.
I’m glad that you’re proud of being banned from MCC. At the rate you’re going, you’ll be able to add us before the evening is out.
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If you're going to spout such an opinion,
get educated on the topic. This has been discussed for months around here. Your “opinion” is obsolete, and it became obsolete the day that KJ went to New York, presented to the NBA, and bought the city a year’s time. Simply, at this stage the fanbase simply does not factor into the final decision. And aside from that, if you think that this dust up with Cousins would sour the die hard Kings fan, you don’t know die hard Kings fans.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So is this the kind of community we have here?
One where one member’s opinion (section214) trumps another’s (mine)? An opinion is just that.
I’m new to this community and thought I would offer my opinion (which is very relative to the DMC situation btw). And this is the treatment I get?
I hope your name-calling and aggressive behavior toward me isn’t reflective of all the “regulars” at sactown royalty.
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pretty sure he meant trolling as a verb
to be fair though, I don’t think you are doing that but still disagree strongly
which is fine
Disagreeing with an opinion is one thing. Threatening to ban someone because I’m not educated enough is another.
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Then don't come in
and lay down several comments about how this will lead to the team leaving as though it’s fact. If you don’t know, ask. If you think that it may have an impact, then ask if it will have an impact. But you came in like it’s a foregone conclusion.
And yeah, because I am a site mod I am privy to your history, so I have my antenna up. Fair or not, that’s how I roll.
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My history?
Now who’s the one spouting information as fact? You have no idea about my history because you have never asked me for my side of the story.
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Banned by two sites that I respect
You want to email me your side? Feel free.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No
You come in here with talk of how the Cousins situation is going to lead to the Kings leaving Sacramento. And one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. It’s opinion vs. fact if you have been following the arena efforts here in any way, shape or form. So either you are ignorant to the last several month’s of activity on the arena, or you are trolling.
Which is it?
And yeah, I’m fairly representative – I’m one of the site mods.
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Not trolling
But, as I said before, KJ bought the team one year. Joe Maloof and David Stern made it clear that the team will leave after next season if an arena plan is not in place. And I haven’t seen anything to suggest that progress is being made.
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And what does that have to do with the Cousins situation?
Nothing, and that is the point. The arena conversation has nothing to do with this conversation. Zip. Zero.
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As I said before
The DMC situation very much has relevance. Many season ticket holders are on the fence with this team. And if this DMC situation blows up, I very much think ticket sales will diminish and the Maloofs will say to themselves, “See? These fans don’t care if we move or not.” <<< MY OPINION!!!!! (Not fact, FYI)
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You are making bad assumptions here even before you even get to Section's point
That it’s about this year’s season tickets versus new revenue streams in a new arena.
That DMC and Westphal are either in on this and pretending to blow up OR the Maloofs are purposefully making DMC mad and apparantly think it’s worth tanking his trade value or his ability to be anything here long term and his progress all in the sake of wrecking season tickets
I don't think DMC is in on this....
I do think Westphal is, though. of course, at this point in time, we don’t know exactly what happened behind closed doors. But all I was tryingto do was offer an alternate theory. And you guys attack me.
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Pretty sure I did not attack you
and yes, I strongly disagree that Westphal and the Maloofs are in on a secret plan to piss of DMC. It’s pretty ridiculous.
Now you may be quite younger that I give you credit for so if that is the case I apologize. But if you are out of junior high, sorry but I find it a bit ridiculous.
I personally think it's pretty dire (I think most disagree with me)
but let’s not act like there has been zero movement here. Trust me, if the city is willing to dare talk about selling a performing asset like parking, they aren’t kidding.
And it’s really really hard to see an adult conversation when one imagines a press release like this one was actually written for the specific purpose you claim it is.
Clarification
I don’t think the press release wasn’t written specifically for the purpose of leaving town. That’s not what I meant. It’s just one small spoke in a much bigger wheel.
Think about it: Why do you think the organization would allow such a release to be made public when Cousins reportedly says he made no such “demands”?
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What?
No, you can’t have it both ways. Look, you are alleging a very specific intent whether you want to say “specifically” or “spoke in a much bigger wheel.” Talking about wheel spokes doesn’t get around that first crazy specific intent allegation
sorry should have worded this a little different
it’s not so much the intent is crazy but the giant balls and coordination it would take. UPS couldn’t even handle the logistics on that.
Actually...
Quite a bit of progress has been made.
Wait. Why am I responding when section already outed you as a bit of a troll?
I guess it just amuses me.
Thats not fair
I’m giving my opinion about a team I’ve followed since 1985 and you call me a troll?
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I trust and respect Section
More than you.
Beside that, this is not my first time on the intraweb.
Trolling behavior is relatively easy to spot and any suspicions I had were confirmed with the mention of your “history”
Granted I don’t know the whole story, but it does take two to tango and the fact that you are proud to be banned suggests certain things about how you approach forums like this.
For the most part, I have been lurking for quite some time here and have just started posting. I feel as this is a great community and have not once felt that my opinions or comments were met unfairly.
Good grief
This is exactly what you did at McC. Quit being a crying, sniveling weasel.
Being a martyr around SBN impresses nobody in the real world.
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Eh, a year from now, it wont matter anyway since Sactown Royalty will be out of business. LOL
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Bye now.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I close my eyes... only for a moment
and the moment’s gone
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So is this the kind of community we have here?
One where one member’s opinion … trumps another’s …?
Yes, yes it is.
I’m new to this community and thought I would offer my opinion… . And this is the treatment I get?
Yes, yes it is.
I hope your name-calling and aggressive behavior toward me isn’t reflective of all the "regulars" at sactown royalty.
Yes, yes it is. (Okay, not all, but more than there should be.) You are far from the first to be treated this way, and surely will not be the last. There is a blatant double-standard on this site as to what newbies can say versus the “regulars.” The “threadiquette” for this site states the only major “no-no” on this site is personal attacks on other members. You did not personally attack anyone, yet you were threatened with being banned post-haste anyway. Meanwhile, “regulars” are allowed to engage in personal attacks on newbies with impunity. The “regulars” are hostile toward newcomers and anyone with an opinion different than theirs.
This is my perception, and I will undoubtedly be attacked and/or banned for stating it.
by TheBlackGuyPees on Jan 2, 2012 3:00 AM PST up reply actions
You may be right
But hitching your wagon to 22gigantes on this topic is pretty humorous.
P.S. If you feel like you are the victim of a personal attack, flag the offending post. Or, I suppose you could whine and cry about it instead. Your choice.
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Respectfully disagree
The Threadiquette post covers several items, including trolling. It also recommends that if you have an issue with how the site is being run, you drop an email to the site moderators, which you have never done.
More than anything else, the Threadiquette post states that this site may not be for everyone. It is certainly not a place for fire starting, flame throwing douchebaggery, for example, and someone can easily come onto the site and start a flame war without directly insulting another member.
We do our best here. I apologize if at times our actions do not meet with your approval. Fortunately for you, there is no handcuffed membership or cost, so you may come or go as you please. If you have any other questions, comments or observations, please feel free to drop me an email.
Go Kings!
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What's MCC?
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I'm right there with you.
It is like real-life Major League.
I believe the Maloof family is capable of doing ANYTHING. These are not great people.
and I'm not convinced the Maloofs are capable of figuring out how to take some advil given the bottle is child proofed.
It’s one thing to have no scrupels. It’s another thing to be an evil genius.
what are u basing ur bashing on?
Do u have access to their SAT scores or something?
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Believe it or not
but I am actually not being literal.
But I am basing my exagerations on the fact that they decided to build two luxury towers in Las Vegas and dive 100% into the luxury condo business right when everyone knew it was a disaster.
But more importantly, even if they were much more sophistcated then I give them credit for, I don’t think they are that super smart to know exactly how to play the Conspiracy Game here appropriately. Now if they end up funding a referendum vote group, and somehow the last game DMC comes back from a season long suspension, and goes all NWA and rips off his Kings jersey and he is wearing an Anaheim jersey and shakes hands with Westphal and everything is all good it was just a rouse and DMC is totally committed the Kings of Anaheim, I might agree with you.
You mean it's game four and we have a different starting line up?
And it’s not due to player injury? Welcome to the world of Westphal, the man who likes changing his line up every four games, because why not? After all the NBA season is an 82 (I mean 66) preseason game schedule right?
Arnovitz:
“re:sac so let me understand…you stock a roster whose best passer is a 6-6 center then behoan a lack of ball movement?”
by Kings Fan In AR on Jan 1, 2012 5:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
G-man just asked Westphal if he still enjoys coaching
“I love this team. We still have a lot of great pieces in place. No one said it was going to be easy.”
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Westphal will be given the boot before DMC does
Hes just acting like this because the team sucks and/or he doesn’t like Westphal. However, anyway we can package DMC for D12 and then trade for another “star”? Does D12 consider Rondo to be one of his boys?
by jumpboi on Jan 1, 2012 5:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
they were both in the movie, "just wright"
if i’m not mistaken
by jadams12 on Jan 1, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And what position did Common play?
Like Westphal says, “Can’t have too much scorers”
by jumpboi on Jan 1, 2012 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL at all three of these.
Recs for all.
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Any 2nd year player that demands to be traded is a pink-ass bitch!
by convoy on Jan 1, 2012 5:55 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Punk-ass bitch that is
Damn auto-correcter
by convoy on Jan 1, 2012 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
we all knew DMC was volatile
Im guessing he and PW got into it after another ugly loss last night and DMC threw a tantrum. Typical of ANY hoops player really.
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typical?
so you are saying this was just day to day stuff but there was alternative motive here? I could 100% be reading this wrong so please let me know.
I mean that NBA players do an awful lot of whining (just ask Kobe)
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I've defended PW until now but
it’s obvious that PW has lost the locker room.
player has no right to complain unless he's playing well....
Cousins shooting a terrible 32 pct fg
His team-leading 11.3 rebounds per game and 72% FT shooting (tops among all starters) says otherwise
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So,
you define Cousins, with his 32% FG percentage, as playing well? Okie dokie.
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Tough one really. Only guy I can think of really is JT
either way though, disagree with the notion that only people who are playing well can complain
team needs player leadership badly
they would talk to any 2nd year player about trade demands
The solution is obvious and simple
Westphal at center, Cousins as coach.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 6:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think this puts the onus directly on Geoff Petrie.
If he trades Cousins, it’s because he agrees with Westphal. If he doesn’t trade him and/or Westphal is fired, Cousins was in the right.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
Even if Cousins was in the wrong
Which he probably was, I don’t think that means Cousins is gone.
Hopefully, Petrie sees the bigger picture, and I think he’s been around long enough to.
For whatever its worth.
By releasing the above from Westphal as an “official statement” the front office and ownership have already picked a side, and its the coach. Unless Westphal completely wigs out he won’t be fired.
Now one of two things can happen:
1. Cousins manages some sort of apology that reestablishes Westphals authority.
Why does Cousins want to do this, since management made his trade demand public? By making the demand public they give it credence. Cousins is now in a position of strength. Will Sacramento really leave him at home all season, complaining to the media and asking for a trade? And if so, for how long, if they keep losing?
If you wanted to work things out you make a statement like “Cousins will remain a King. If he wants to play NBA basketball this season, he knows what to do.”
or
2. Cousins is traded.
I think this is more likely, given the handling of the situation. And I’m very sorry for Kings fans that this is happening.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
So you post that, then you say
“Well, this statement shows everyone just how bad Westphal, the guy we picked to run our team, is. We’ve chosen to let our team be managed by an immature 21 year old instead.”
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
good point
I still think it goes the way I wrote though
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Well if that is the case
I pray for your first idea and hope the coaching situation gets sorted out later.
Either way, we’ll know soon enough
Does anyone else think the Goon Squad is an embarrassment to the Kings and the city of Sacramento?
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This is one of those occasions
When you have to debate “who is acting like a bigger idiot”.
I think we now know a bit more of the impetus behind Cousins’ post game comments last night. He’s lost weight, but hasn’t gotten any smarter, clearly.
Westphal and Kings’ management thought it would be fun to make a public spectacle of the whole thing, which only adds to the stigma of this franchise being run by the Keystone Cops. They should just add a laugh track now whenever Petrie, Westphal or the Maloofs speak.
And when it boils down to it, if you HAVE to choose one party to go – it has to be Westphal. While I think Cousins skills are heavily overvalued by many here (he was the fourth best player in a weak draft and is having a miserable early season this year), he’s still got more potential than Westphal.
Time for Petrie to get off his ass, make sure this stuff stays private in the future, and get some time with Cousins – let him know that he’s valued by the franchise and his ass isn’t being traded. Then wait a few weeks and dump Westphal.
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Psychological chess match
I think that the reason Westphal goes public with this is to send a message to Cousins. I don’t believe that there is any real chance that DeMarcus gets traded. It’s disciplinary showmanship. Cousins argued with Westphal, and, in the heat of the moment, disrespectfully blurted out the words “trade me now.” Westphal has had enough of his shit, so decides to suspend him for a game, then decides that it would make a better point if he made the reason public.
"Minimize excursions to the basket" - Paul Westphal on defending Derrick Rose
If you want to suspend him for getting into a spat with his coach
That’s fine. But why completely ruin the trade value of a guy who regardless of how serious he was (not very, in my opinion), says he wants a trade?
It was dumb.
Because you have no intention
of trading him.
"Minimize excursions to the basket" - Paul Westphal on defending Derrick Rose
If that's the case
Then why put out a press release like this that is completely unwarranted and would only alienate the guy more, further burning the bridge that you need to cross again to make it right, IF you don’t intend on trading him.
I don’t think the Kings intend on training him, I just think the press release does not really accomplish what you said it was supposed to.
Dwight Howard
did the same thing a few weeks back, so why is HE not getting any hate?
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 1, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Because DeMarcus has had more "bad acts" in one year and 4 games than Dwight's had in his entire career?
Dunno, just spitballin’ here.
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This is from a Wizards Fan:
Andray Blatche+Jordan Crawford+2013 1st Rd.
for
Demarcus Cousins+Francisco Garcia
OR
JaVale McGee
for
DMC
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
The sad thing is
This is where DMc’s value probably lies.
But no way in hell do I make those trades.
You wouldn't?!?!
What could you possibly get better than that? haha
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Call Toronto, try to get Ed Davis and a pick
Call Detroit. Try to get Greg Monroe and a pick. Either of those scenarios are more appealing than JaVale McGee. Andray Blatche has his own issues. Jordan Crawford is another high usage/low efficiency scorer, who, if you haven’t noticed, we have plenty of.
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Are you kidding me? Greg Monroe + a pick? Good luck with that one!
First of all, Monroe is already the better basketball player. Secondly, he’s pretty much the perfect teammate and has already shown himself as a leader (albeit on a mediocre team).
You guys won’t get a player + a pick for Cousins unless that player is significantly less valuable than the potential Cousins has. Ultimately, you’ll be lucky to get a high draft pick OR a player. As a Pistons fan who had to deal with a lockerroom cancer for a full season last year, you’ll be lucky to get much of anything for Cousins. Sure he doesn’t have the salary implications that Rip Hamilton had, but the biggest thing keeping Rip from being traded was his “buffoonery” as Tayshaun Prince put it.
Cousins has so clearly shown himself to lack a willingness to play team ball that most GMs won’t touch him with a 10 foot pole. All you can sell them on is potential and so far there is little guarantee that the potential will ever surface given the character issues.
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by The Boourns on Jan 1, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Monroe and a pick?! HA!
Honestly, McGee for Cousins alone is a little too much for the Wizards to do.
You do realize that other teams are doing you guys a favor right?!
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Jan 1, 2012 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Greg Monroe and a pick
This is insane. If I’m Detroit, I wouldn’t trade Greg Monroe for DeMarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans. Cousins is a headcase, a terribly efficient scorer and a turnover/foul-machine. By contrast, I wrote this about Monroe last March:
How many starter-level rookie centers in the history of the NBA sport a lower turnover rate than Greg Monroe? Two: 1984-85’s Sam Perkins and 2004-05’s Emeka Okafor.
and Monroe also averaged 14 points and 10 rebounds (with 2 steals) while shooting 58% after the all-star break last season.
Monroe isn’t flashy, and you could watch him play and not realize he’s at 20 and 10 by the end of the game. He was the better player than Cousins last year and he’s the better player this year.
by Mike Payne on Jan 1, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why Paul Westphal?
Why is it Paul Westphal who is making this official statement? Normally, when an official statement is released, it comes from the front office. The only time this isn’t the case is when you have a franchise head coach like Jerry Sloan or Pop.
What if Westphal came to Petrie/Maloofs and said “I want to bench Demarcus for yelling at me in practice” and the FO said “Sure, but you’re going to have live or die by it. If you want to do it, your face is on the move, not us.”
And generally when something like that happens, it is because the superiors don’t fully believe in the decision.
Thoughts?
by nobodyinparticular on Jan 2, 2012 2:32 AM PST reply actions
My guess is because the nature of the press release was personnel related which generally is the responsibility of the coach
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Maybe
they’re letting Westphal hang himself.
Fire Johnson and hire Van Gundy - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking something when he let Van Gundy slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Jan 2, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
If the team states that they fully support his decision then how is he hanging himself?
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