Transferring The Heat Onto DeMarcus Cousins
by Tom Ziller on Jan 1, 2012 9:04 PM PST
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The single facet of Paul Westphal's suspension of DeMarcus Cousins I am having most trouble accepting is that exclamation mark in the first paragraph of the press release announcing the decision. I'm not joking: I cannot abide bullsh-t cuteness in a statement that is bound to anger, alienate and confuse fans.
The second facet of Westphal's suspension that is really bothering me is that Westphal determined it was in the best interest of the Sacramento Kings franchise to go public with the depths of his despair about Cousins. For a coach who has in the past preached the value of keeping team matters in-house -- we all remember the Spencer Hawes suspension, don't we? -- Westphal sure revealed a lot on Sunday night.
1. He gave the specific reason for the suspension, citing Cousins' purported trade demands, which have been denied by Cousins' agent. This is bizarre on two levels: no one in the NBA ever gets suspended for a trade demand and teams never show their hand when it comes to trade requests, talks or whatever. Separate from the suspension and supposing Westphal isn't exaggerating or misleading for effect, what's the benefit of disclosing that one of the two most valuable prospects on the roster wants out? The only benefit is that it makes the player look ridiculous. So, uh, congrats on that, Westy.
2. He put the onus on fixing the relationship on Cousins. Before and after the game, Westphal was quoted as saying that whether Cousins travels with the team to Memphis on Monday depends on Cousins, which apparently means that Westphal needs Cousins to buy him chocolates or something. It's like Cousins suspended himself, right? This further serves to make Cousins appear to the outside world as childish -- all he needs to do to get back on the court is to swallow his pride, right? -- which, again, benefits the team in no way other than to make Cousins look ridiculous to the outside world.
3. He built an invisible case against Cousins. The only alleged bad actions Westphal actually detailed were the two trade "demands" -- one on December 24 (what?!) and one Saturday night. But before the game, Westphal told the media that he had revealed or we, the observers, had only seen "the tip of the iceberg." Again: what purpose does this serve other than to make the player, Cousins, look ridiculous? The trade demands have been explained and/or denied as heat of the moment responses. How absurd is it to tell fans you had to suspend the kid for that, and later claim that there are more atrocities that the team won't reveal? I'm just one fan, but I don't buy that Cousins made a legit, serious trade demand to Westphal's face. Westphal has given us nothing else to chew on but the vague "tip of the iceberg" comment. How am I supposed to feel about this, given my inclination toward disbelief on the trade demand claim?
4. He threw Cousins completely under the bus. That statement ... I mean, I have never seen a team explain a one-game suspension so loquaciously. We got lectured on the foolishness of positive hope, the role of coaches in basketball. We learned that Cousins isn't just a bad dude -- he has "continually, aggressively, let it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace" the direction of the team. If you're a coach just trying to let the world know that the player who has been pegged as "immature" is being suspended for being immature, you know what you put in the statement?
Head coach Paul Westphal has suspended DeMarcus Cousins indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team, he announced Sunday. Cousins will not play in the Kings' home game on Sunday against the New Orleans Hornets.
--30--
If you want to create a scene, make an example out of a 21-year-old and distract everyone from the fact that 24 hours ago your starting point guard told the world that no one knows what they are supposed to be doing on the court, then you write what Westphal did.
Hmm.
Mission accomplished.
This is some real Wizard of Oz s--t, y'all.
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Wesphal is a house divided against itself; It cannot stand.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
well this is what evens said:
no one knows what they are supposed to be doing on the court
by carlsbadace on Jan 1, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So do you think he meant no one
Or do you think he meant DMC.
by Lotusprime on Jan 2, 2012 7:39 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He isnt going anywhere because the owners are too broke to pay two coaches.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Keith Smart assistant coach was head coach of the Warriors last year and did net an improvement
now thats good planning.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
LOL
Didn’t think the .gif through all the way. NaBaseball fan so didn’t think about the Giants fans here
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Or just the Nor Cal people who hate LA teams on principle ;)
by Christina_J on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Pretty much anyone who doesn't live in LA hates the place
And most of the people who are forced to live there aren’t too fond of it either…
I was born in raised in and around Sacramento.
Moved to LA when I was 18.
I think its just fine.
Most people who live here aren’t from here, and they tend to enjoy it too.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, take this down
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nah,
the fun part is that the Dodger team is greeting him at home plate, and all that homer did was cut the Giants lead in that game to 7-1.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Which is really weird
when you consider that a Diamondback (or National?) is pitching.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
At any given moment
Somewhere in the world, the dodgers are losing to the Giants.
It is just meant to be.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, take this down
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I dont know if
going rouge against one of your star players, and fan favorite, is a real good smokescreen
Are you changing your tune?
Where is the DMC bashing that I’ve heard on the other thread?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Cousins
Was removed from the recorded intro at the game. It had him yelling at the end now its Jimmer. He was erased, like he was never here.
That's ridiculous
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Noticed that too.
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Greetings from Moscow On The American...
SJSU. Proud Mediocrity Since 1857.
by SierraSpartan on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
The plot thickens, indeed.
This ever happened before. A suspended player being removed from the team media?
RIP Patrice O'Neal
no he hasnt i was just looking at a picture of him on one of the ads
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
though in his team photo...
he has a douche bag smirk on his face…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Westphal is out of line for revealing any of this to the public.
That being said, DMC has a history of this, and I doubt Westphal is the first coach that Cousins has had a problem with. Both sides are at fault, and letting DMC off the hook because of his age shouldn’t cut it in a professional sports league.
This is highly frustrating, and I’m sure some of us suspected this could happen when the team drafted DeMarcus. Unfortunately we don’t have a coach strong enough to handle him, and now this mess. I’m sure he did request a trade, but I’m more apt to believe, given DMCs level of maturity that it was one of those teenage cries for attention. Westphal giving it wings and suggesting it was completely real and meaningful is covering his tail if you ask me.
Oh well…this ruins the long time all of us waited for the season to begin.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
Yes Cousins has a history of attitude problems
but how come Calipari was able to handle him? Calipari only has good things to say about Cousins now, despite some of their early problems.
How come Mike Singletary was able to help an immature Vernon Davis grow up?
Westphal’s problem is that he has no idea how to handle this. Dealing with adversity among young, immature athletes is not all that uncommon, but it seems to be a foreign concept to Westphal.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jan 1, 2012 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
normally i would side with the coach in this situation. But its give and take because DMC knows PW aint cuttin it as a head coach. Its like the perfect storm. A young potential star player thinks the coaches system isn’t working and the grass is looking greener elsewhere. Bottom line is, they may have been the right move for PW right now, but the right move for the Kings would have been firing PW before the season
by jadams12 on Jan 1, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well Singletary also threw VD out of the game and embarrased him in a media conference.
He also challenged to fight him afterwards.
but ended up pretty much taking him under his wing and serving as a mentor
I have doubts about Westphal’s willingness to do something like that. Seems like he wants Cousins to figure it out on his own.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jan 1, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
He had to punch the bully in the mouth first.
Lets see what happens here. Maybe that is Westphal and Kings management is aiming at here. Cousins has to make the first move, he should certainly know now what the rest of the team won’t tolerate.
Calipari didn't have to "handle" him for very long
And in their short time together, there were plenty of fireworks apparently.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 2, 2012 5:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe 35 games?
And of course Calipari “loves” all of his first round draft picks who are NBA players, he needs to recruit new kids every year.
Id say Westphals problem, compared too Caliparis problem is
Kentucky was winning games , and the Kings are not.
I cannot believe
how small, thin-skinned, and self-serving I have found PW to be in his tenure here. I am absolutely done with him. He has cost this team K-Mart, Omri, Spencer, Dally, and now possibly DMC.
More than anything, I am disappointed in Ownership and Geoff Petrie for allowing this.
by MichaelMack on Jan 1, 2012 9:13 PM PST reply actions 14 recs
Didn't Antoine Wright have a problem with Westie as well?
Not that losing him was any great loss to the team.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Antoine Wright I had no problem with losing
And his issue was with Elie.
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And I said this in the other thread…Westphal is not a leader of men. At this point I would love to have Larry Brown just so this inadequate egomaniac is gone. Unfortunately his bosses are even more inadequately egomaniacal.
when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??
by diehardkingsfan5 on Jan 1, 2012 9:14 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Larry Brown is more of an egomaniac than Westphal.
This is actually a classic LB move.
Talk bad about the player and embarrass him before you trade him.
He used to do it in Philly all the time.
I'd accept it more from LB since he's a proven coaching commodity
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I really think there is more going on then just Westphal vs Cousins
I haven’t any words of protest from teammates, staff, owners.. or anyone that isn’t a Cousins fan
Well didn't Hayes call out Couisins for joking around after that loss?
Lines have been drawn, it seems.
RIP Patrice O'Neal
Cousins is immature as it comes.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
almost like he is a 20 year old kid or something...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 1, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The league has a lot of 20 year old kids.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
i shudder at the thought of what most of us were like when we were that age.
some people are always more mature than others, no matter how old they are or what they are doing with their life.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Definitely
But I really feel this issue has been going on since the beginning, and that it’s ruining team chemistry. This type of off-season is the worst thing that could’ve happened to the Kings. A bunch of young and new players with no Summer league or adequate Pre-season.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
A lot of rich 20 year old kids.
by Lotusprime on Jan 2, 2012 7:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
My 8 year old
Is more respectful than this immature loser
Norm
by EJ08 on Jan 1, 2012 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
wait til your 8 year old is a teenager.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 1, 2012 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 13 recs
If only we were warned about this before the Kings drafted him . . . oh right we were.
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
by Ba-Da Bing on Jan 1, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets see if Whiteside has a better attitude this time
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
If he bitches about it, I doubt he's a member of the Kings organization much longer
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I believe the ownership and / or Petrie signed off on this completely.
There is more to this story than Westphal simply speaking his mind.
RIP Patrice O'Neal
It also means that the owners and/or Petrie are fed up with Cuz as well... right?
RIP Patrice O'Neal
And documented that DMC has problems with authority figures, not a good combination.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
The Petrie aspect is my biggest concern
I’ve been a huge GP fan, but we may need a new GM along with a coach. Where in the hell was Petrie? I’m in disbelief that he could allow Westphal to go forward with something so potentially destructive, but even if he didn’t, it’s just one more indication that he doesn’t have his hands on the basketball operations steering wheel. Either way, he needs to go when Westphal does and hopefully that right soon.
by Toeontheline on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cousins is a child
Who has never done a GD thing in his career to justify him making any demand. Westphal accomplished more in his NBA career than Cousins will probably ever accomplish. My guess is that Westphal sees this “done nothing” loser question a 40 year NBA household name and he is going to put this immature little baby I his place. KUDOS to Westphal and I hope he doesn’t let him on the plane tomorrow. In my opinion,he better do a hell of a lot more than buy Westphal chocolates to back on this team.
Norm
by EJ08 on Jan 1, 2012 9:16 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Sounds more like
you’re projecting your own personal issues. If anyone isn’t acting their age here, it’s Westphaul.
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
Treading lightly...
I don’t think PW went home and concocted this as a smokescreen. He is not smart enough or manipulative enough in my opinion. I could be wrong. Things just may be really bad with DMC behind the scenes. The public airing is always a mistake.
To follow up on my previous post
I do think that DMC has probably been much more of a handful than any of us who do not have access to the team know, I still can’t get out of my mind him chasing down Donte, angry that he didn’t get the ball in a last second situation. I wouldn’t care if we traded DMC, he is not nearly the player he thinks he is, and who knows if he mentally will be able to fix his wild inefficiency. That being said, PW is not a teacher, has not done a good job in Sacramento, and is not someone I want to develop our young players.
cousins fired the first shot
With his comments after last nights game
I love a team that never quits
by Howard Nevens IV on Jan 1, 2012 9:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Tyrekes remarks were more scathing yet he has not been reprimanded at all
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Just like the Hawes situation
@dampania
by dampania on Jan 1, 2012 9:29 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 2 recs
That could be debated
I never saw the video from Reke, but his words were definitely scathing. Demarcus on the other hand, you could tell he was throwing coach under the bus.
So was Reke... again
same as last year
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
No we are fighting!
I don’t care what you say!
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ziller
If you had to guess, who do you think the Kings Org. would let go: Westy or DMC?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I think that
there are signs that the players are having significant problems with Cousins too.
RIP Patrice O'Neal
Get rid of them both..
And call it good!
by Sincere P. on Jan 1, 2012 9:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't care if Demarcus is the most immature, a-hole bastard in the world...
It’s just a stupid move on Westphal’s part.
by avishai on Jan 1, 2012 9:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If you think he is a bad coach, then that is your answer.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Even a bad coach doesn’t excuse immature behavior on the players behalf. This is at least the 2nd indictment, Petrie suspended him last time.
I know what you're saying.
But if I was coaching, they would be mad, and rightfully so, because I would be awful. I think they are rightfully mad and acting out because PW is bad, just not as bad as I would be.
A person can only take so much badness.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
It lowers DMC's trade value, probably freaks out the other players, just makes him look bad
by avishai on Jan 1, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OMG the secret is out!
Cousins has maturity issues!
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 1, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm DONE with this joke of a coach!
I really don’t care who the replacement is….just fire him TONIGHT!!!
I’m good with any half-decent replacement as long as they can manage a locker room and have a coherent system. Get me Sloan, Van Gundy, Larry Brown, hell, get me Calipari! I’m just ready for a good coach again.
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Jan 1, 2012 9:27 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Dream Dream Dream
No way in hell are the Maoofs going to anywhere near what it would take to get one of those names. Keith Smart is the best replacement you are going to get.
Norm
by EJ08 on Jan 1, 2012 9:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
A great coach's dream job
A team in flux geographically, with young players, 18 shooting guards and no leader on the floor other than Hayes, who has been around a week.
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
by LiquidPolio on Jan 1, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Many a coach has gotten his job because of adverse circumstances - a burp in the universe.
There is a lot young talent to work with on this team. Coaches like to make a difference, have their skills turn things around.
No sarcasm here – this could be a great coach’s dream job.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 2, 2012 4:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to be argumentative here
Because I am pretty fed up with PW’s antics myself. But you are complaining out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand he said too much. On the other hand he didn’t give enough details. Which way do you want it?
My guess is that if PW had issued the exact release you gave, you would have made assumptions and complained just as much.
Maybe I am wrong, and I think PW totally botched this. But either ask for no pubic comment or complain about not enough details. Don’t do both.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 1, 2012 9:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
That's exactly it
There are no details to elucidate the situation for fans. There are only details to make the player look bad. If you are going to say “tip of the iceberg,” back it up.
by Tom Ziller on Jan 1, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
4 games into the season
And Hayes and PW have both had issues with Cousins…..Sorry but I automatically side with the 2 grown ups on this one.
Norm
by EJ08 on Jan 1, 2012 9:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Westphal's post game wasn't exactly mature
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
There weren't specific comments
he just (reportedly) told DMC not to joke around after a loss like that
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Out of what I've seen out of Hayes
His locker room presence will be the unsung hero pickup of the off-season
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hayes?? You mean Hawes?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
I'm sorry but
if you are going to lay your burdens down, you need to lay it all out there. This is bridge burning stuff. This is last resort we are done with player x and just trying to save the team and the season type stuff.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 1, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i dont think at all that in the grand scheme of things that all the drama is PW's fault.
that statement though, was bush league and completely his fault.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 1, 2012 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Who is the adult here?
DMC is a competitive 21 year old who is not used to losing. PW is a mature coach whose job is to figure out how to handle the players, including talented children. I would be surprised if the rest of the team is in PW’s camp on this. In fact, I think that might explain, in part, why Garcia is in PW’s doghouse.
by polotown on Jan 1, 2012 9:34 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
not used to losing? Did I miss something last year and DMC played somewhere else?
Everybody loses in the NBA at some point, regardless your age. You are a professional, they need to act like one. Your getting paid millions to play a game, I don’t want to hear just because of your age you can get away with this stuff.
DMC’s job is to play basketball. PW’s job is to manage the talent. DMC’s been playing at least as well as anybody else on the team. How’s PW been doing with the talent?
Since when is there a correllation between getting paid millions and maturity?
No player in the NBA expects to win every game, but in high school and college DMC played for teams that had a culture of winning and a legitimate expectation that they could win any game.
by polotown on Jan 1, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The writing is on the wall for Westphal. It's just a matter of time unless we go on one hell of a run.
But Cuz is an asshole, apparently.
That’s not good.
RIP Patrice O'Neal
its a perfect storm, a lose lose
coach sucks cant win games, young star is immature and hates losing games
You have to add in ‘Team probably isn’t good enough to go much more than .500 anyway’
by Cyg on Jan 2, 2012 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
We have to ignore that part
It goes against our need to amnesty him…
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
He can go 2-14
as long as he is showing Effort and a willingness to learn/improve, I don’t care.
by chenp22 on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Westphal is using the media to call out Cousins on his ridiculous BS
It’s not an unprecedented move, so I don’t get why TZ is acting like it is. It’s not the end of the world if he gets traded either. Jason Williams pulled this exact same stunt and the Kings netted Bibby.
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 1, 2012 9:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i dont remember as much drama regarding 55's exit. just that he wasnt playing well.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Was 01, the constant bitching/drama cycle that is current news and internet wasn’t quite the same.
by Cyg on Jan 2, 2012 1:30 AM PST up reply actions
What Now?
It seems to me the line has been drawn in the sand and that these two just don’t like each other. You can’t fire the coach any time soon, unless there’s a long losing streak, because then it will look like the inmates run the asylum. You can’t trade DMC, not that I would, because you would get robbed. I don’t see how the obvious disdain for each other can be overcome. Especially because of how willing they are to disrespect each other in the press. I don’t like how Wesphal handled this, but I feel for him because DMC is very immature and seems stubborn as hell. One of them won’t be here long-term, that’s for sure, and DMC’s potential will probably keep him in a Kings uniform.
You can quote me on this
But if the Kings trade DeMarcus Cousins it will be one of the biggest mistakes in franchise history.*
*unless we net Dwight Howard with an extension
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I dunno.
If the damage has already been done, it just may not be feasible for Cousins to ever “mature” while still a part of the Kings organization.
The Kings aren’t doing squat this year and will have ample chances to draft high again and obtain a franchise level player.
I’d rather trade DMC as soon as we’re sure he’s nothing more than a ticking time bomb. If he excels elsewhere, so be it… doesn’t mean he would have done it here
There is quotes that Thornton looks at Cousins as a brother
The damage hasn’t been done with the players by the sounds of it.
As far as the Kings “not doing squat” they are a game under .500
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA. I wouldn’t trade DMC right now at all because he could be so good, unless we get D12 with the extension. The only way Westphaul wins this is if the Kings start playing consistent, solid basketball and DMC mopes and gives a lazy effort.
I'm right there with you.
I think I’ll go as far to say that if the team trades Cousins before firing this dung heap of a coach, I will never support the Kings again.
Terrible, terrible ownership.
This is all kinds of bad
any way you slice it, any new facts that pop up, just anything. It’s bad bad bad bad bad stuff.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 1, 2012 9:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
as a fan
the best thing I can possible think of is DMC did something Gilbert Arenas crazy.
And that still incredibly sucks.
This is ridiculous.
Geoff Petrie determines the roster, PW coaches the roster. If DMC requests a trade, he does so through the GM, you don’t see Stan Van Gundy sitting Dwight Howard since he wants off the team, you coach who is on your team and it sounds like that’s too hard for PW.
The reason TZ is angry is because this BS has happened before with Spencer Hawes and PW doesn’t take the high road he takes the basement level approach. He bullies them through the media and via suspensions and then like before he punishes one player who speaks out and let’s whatever comments or actions Tyreke say go unpunished.
There now I've met the 75 word count. -pookeyguru
by moproblemz on Jan 1, 2012 9:43 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
different situation though, Dwight isn't throwing fits and yelling at his coach after games.
Hes doing it like an adult
The adults I know honor contracts that they willingly sign
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
are you serious?
I really don’t like this argument. When a player doesn’t “honor, their contract” then people always say this. Yet when a team cuts a player aren’t they not honoring the same contract they signed? when they trade a player isn’t the team not honoring their contract? it goes both ways. Its a business. In real life people with contracts quit, or get fired all the time.
When a team cuts a player they are honoring their contract
because they still pay that player their full salary.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
As long as they don't play in the NFL.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha true but even then they get partial guaranteed
and the player knows this when he signs the contract
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
So few understand this business sense.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Vernon Davis was an immature/selfish player until Mike Singletary bullied him through the media. I remember at the time 49ers fans said the same things about the way Singletary handled that similar situation, and now he is given all the credit for Vernon Davis growing up and becoming a mature player. It remains to be seen if this will work out in the same way.
Considering how Westphal handled the Hawes/Omri/Dalembert situations
I sincerely doubt it will.
Singletary ended up helping to develop the young man. In his tenure here, Westphal has failed to snub out little bad habits, much less change a player’s entire mindset.
Beyond that, I really don’t think that Cousins is as me first as everybody here seems to make him out to be.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
and with a worse coach.
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by TrojanCBB on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah great.....
…and the Warriors went on to be awful for a decade.
Except for one year
you can argue theyre still awful.
Losing Webber will do that
Let’s not put DMC in that category.
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I would buy the argument that Cousins deserves a lot of blame.
But for the most part, he seems to be well-liked among his teammates and his fire on the court doesn’t take away from his play.
I’ve never thought Cousins was as bad as his public reputation suggests. Why is a 20 year old who sometimes lets his emotions get the best of him such a foreign concept?? The fact that we’ve actually seen any kind of effort at all from Cousins to improve his attitude is a good sign. And there has been improvement in his attitude on the court IMO. Slip ups should be expected and dealt with accordingly. Sure, Cousins should not be yelling at his coach in the locker room, but the Kings should’ve known what they were getting into when they drafted Cousins. As a grown man, he’s not a finished product, because he’s freakin’ 20.
Part of player development is developing young men off the court. At least that’s what the good coaches do. It is baffling to me that when Cousins has a slip up, Westphal decides to publicly throw him under the bus instead of trying to work with him to solve the issue.
I’ve been a Westphal supporter before, but in this scenario, he’s the immature one.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jan 1, 2012 9:44 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
and the root of all this nonsense is the way the Kings have lost. Looking like no one new where they should go and what assignments they have
Its all been a lot of smoke and mirrors to distract everyone from his terrible coaching.
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
First and foremost, it appears that Westphal handled this abysmally
But maybe at some point we learn a little more and it gives him a little justification. We’ll see.
But what really irks me is Cousins’ behavior. Frustrated over a loss? OK. Venting? Fine. But demanding a trade? What is that horsesh*t? If I’m a teammate of his, that does not sit well with me.
I think that Cousins is at his core a likeable young man battling with major bouts of immaturity. But that probably doesn’t mean much to me if I am a paid professional and I have watch this guy bluster around the locker room and come off in a way where he is putting himself above the team. There’s a right way and a wrong way to go about these things, and Cousins is definitely going about it the wrong way. He’s getting paid millions now, and he needs to start to grow up, before his fellow teammates have decided that they have had enough of his crap (or before his fellow teammates feel that they should be able to do the same crap that he does).
Again, I have a lot of disappointment with Westphal here. He knew when he took the job that he was going to have to be a bit of a mentor. Turns out that he’s a better tormentor.
This is on both of them and both of their egos, and the rest of the team pays the price. Sucks.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 9:45 PM PST reply actions 15 recs
People say a lot of Pooh Jeter they don't mean out of anger
Not defending cousins actions, but I would be more worried if he formally asked to be traded
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
But there seems to be a lot of evidence that Cousins' "trade demand" wasn't really one at all.
It seems more like heat of the moment, Westphal being frustrated with Cousins, and Cousins telling him to trade him.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jan 1, 2012 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
Right
Likely in front of the rest of the team, forcing Westphal’s hand.
Again, I have never played at the professional level, just a lot of organized baseball and softball through the years. But even at that level, if a teammate said that in front of me, I wouldn’t want him around anymore. Anytime you don’t get your way or you’re a little ticked off you want to be traded? As you wish, pal. On a sinking ship, the rats leave first.
Cousins is wearing big boy pants now. Yeah, he’s young and still has a lot to learn. But this has been a recurring theme with him, and he better figure out how to get it under control, and quickly. And he better also realize that he’s going to get little help from his coach, as he is a bit of an egomaniacal douche nozzle.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Completely agree!
And the other players on the team may, in fact, really like DMC most of the time. Just because they’re not scowling at him on the bench or bad mouthing him in press conferences doesn’t mean they may all be relieved or secretly wishing the distractions he brings to practices and goings-on is removed…
Everything about this is spot on, rec'd.
It’s interesting to put yourself in Cousins’ shoes: he played for a great coach in college, on a fun and talented team. Then he moves up to the pro’s, to a team lacking in talent with a coach that hasn’t proved capable of preparing his team to be successful in the NBA, and he realizes things aren’t likely to improve where he’s at. So he speaks his mind, because that’s who he is.
The blame definitely goes both ways in this situation, but personally I think Cousins has a brighter future in the NBA than does PW, so I hope we find a way to keep him and work all of this out.
There are enough “egomaniacal douche nozzle’s” playing on the court in the nba today as it is, I wouldn’t mind getting one off an nba sideline
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by kingsforaday on Jan 1, 2012 11:01 PM PST up reply actions
Yes...
I’m guessing this is correct. Something said in the heat of the moment most likely and it’s a real head scratcher why the team decided to make it public.
That said, there is no way this is an isolated incident. I’m perfectly OK with this, the latest in what is undoubtedly a long string of insubordination by Cousins resulting in a suspension, but really weird to bring up the trade demand thing.
by Variant on Jan 1, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It was about another outburst
Still, cannot be saying stupid things like that. Not in front of the rest of the team. As much as I agree Westphal isn’t being the most mature here he cannot let that kind of stuff go unchecked.
yeah
A few media insiders alluded to it being more of a “if you think I’m a cancer then trade me” outburst rather than a formal “I want to be traded”
I think putting a press release out there mentioning his “trade demands” was purely Westphals attempt to point the finger elsewhere.
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by dampania on Jan 1, 2012 9:58 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Westphal handled this bizarrely, and I’d have no problems with him being axed (in a way that doesn’t undermine the authority of the team and a future coach) — probably down the road after the dust has settled.
But I am also coming to grips with the fact that DMC is probably going through issues that stem from something more than just “youth” and while it would be too bad to lose a talent like his, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
We have enough problems and challenges as it is. Don’t need the distraction.
My thoughts exactly.
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by DTG13 on Jan 1, 2012 9:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I wonder if this happens with other teams (asking to be traded) more often then we realize, but
most teams keep it under wraps.
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
How do you handle a consistently disruptive member of the team?
If you do have a guy that is consistently ‘being Demarcus’ (shortcut to describing the likely behavior that has been displayed), what is the best way to handle it?
I’m inclined to believe that Demarcus is being a tool to a pretty high level, so I’m not sure I can share the level of disapointment felt with PW in this situation.
The players are not necessarily negative towards DMC.
Tyreke twice made comments tonight in his post-game comments about Cousins being an important part of the team. Demarcus is under contract longer than PW and I just don’t see Petrie giving DMC away for a future late first round pick or for a worthless high priced vet or two in the last year of their contract.
I think this is more about Westphal’s ego than anything. He is not that hungry to be an NBA coach to continue coaching the Kings past this year if it means getting yelled at by immature kids. He is one of the lower paid coaches in the league and is not financially dependent upon this job.
Keith Smart was brought in as an insurance policy by Petrie to avoid another Kenny Natt debacle in case things go south with Westphal.
Incidentally would people stop lamenting about the Kings losing a gutless KMart and calling KMart a franchise player. We essentially ended up getting Marcus Thornton for him (via Carl Landry) for KMart and I would make that trade (kMart for Marcus Thorton) in a heartbeat.
by SacKingsfanforever on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure the last time that anyone around here called Kevin Martin a franchise player
I’m also not sure what he ever did to earn the label of gutless. And as of today, Marin is a better player than Marcus Thornton. Hopefully that will not be the case within the next year or two.
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by section214 on Jan 1, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that's clear cut
IMO, Thornton is a better player than Martin already. And, while gutless is probably unnecessarily harsh, I can see where that’s coming from.
I guess this is not really the discussion point of the day though…
Kevin Martin is not necessarily gutless but in a 7-game playoff series I would pick Marcus Thornton to go to war with.
Not saying you referred to KMart as a franchise guy but There have been some comments here in the last 2 days that the Kings mortgaged their future with KMart as the leader and handed over the team to Tyreke. Marcus who is the ultimate asset we acquired fort Kevin Martin is a gamer who at least places effort on the defensive end…Kevin Martin’s tenure here did not end particularly well. I hope Tyreke and Marcus grow together and give us continued scoring punch and energy like tonight.
by SacKingsfanforever on Jan 1, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
If you promised me a 7 game playoff series, I'd be fine with Duane Causwell
I think the Kings jumped the gun with Martin and sold low, but in the end it may work out…though it has taken a long time to get to an investment return. Landry wasn’t particularly a world mover while he was here (in part because the team didn’t play to his strengths). Prior to getting Thornton for Landry, the deal looked flat awful.
The general consensus around here seems to be that Martin is better suited to be Robin than Batman, though many of us (myself included) held out higher hopes for him.
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Unfortunately this is exactly how I feel about Reke as well
better suited to be Robin than Batman, though many of us (myself included) held out higher hopes for him
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Well,
Evans has shown the ability to take and make the big shot. I don’t think it’s a Batman/Robin thing with him. I think that the Kings may be trying to pound a square peg into a round hole by attempting to make a facilitator out of him.
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I would expect more than just being able to hit the big shot
I just think mentality wise, he is not ever going to be a leader, but will be the great 2nd guy.
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
If Cousins was legitimately being such a cancer and a detriment to the team
wouldn’t more players be coming out to criticize Cousins/defend Westphal?
I think there have been many more instances of players questioning Westphal than players questioning Cousins.
by 8thInningWeirdness on Jan 1, 2012 9:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think that as a player you just stay out of it no matter what
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I think this is a great point.
If the team truly were all frustrated and DMC simply said what they were unwilling to, the effort displayed in tonight’s game just doesn’t make sense.
The outside world already knew this
This further serves to make Cousins appear to the outside world as childish
"His D was a difference at the end."
They already knew it too
I am sure this was no surprise and for many it wasn’t a question of if, but when. Probably a relief that it was done earlier rather than than later. Eventually we may say the same thing about Westphal.
"His D was a difference at the end."
paging Metta World Peace's psychiatrist...
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 1, 2012 9:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
At least Ron seems to be legitimately crazy, while DMC is just a young kid who is stubborn, has a problem with authority, and can’t keep his mouth shut. Westphal’s comments took this to a higher level, though.
by youknowit100 on Jan 1, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno...changing your name to Metta World Peace AFTER you start seeing a shrink
says a lot about the shrink, and it doesn’t say anything good. ;)
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Reke's Postgame
“Me and (Thornton) had a long talk in the locker room yesterday,” Evans said. “We just said … we got to find a way. A lot of people complain about the offense, it’s not the greatest offense, but it works when we run it. So we just got to keep playing hard like that. We got tough road games coming up and we got to go out there and play hard.”
“it’s not the greatest offense” chuckled at that part.
by Kingstime on Jan 1, 2012 9:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I heard that too...
Made me wonder why DMC wasn’t part of this conversation.
What cracks me up is that the King's offense
Consists of mostly regular NBA sets which most teams run. It not like geniuses are going to run the Triangle or a Princeton, Pete Carril offense.
Norm
I agree
the offense isn’t bad, the execution of the offense is awful. You could easily blame this on Westphal though, I think it was Blob that made the comment that he doesn’t call any kind of play from the bench. To me it says that the players have freedom to run the offense how they see fit, but our players are too young to do it that way methinks.
I’d like to see calls for the actions or something like that until the players understand what they are looking for. It is a terrible offense when the players refuse to run it.
I'm in the same boat
I lean more towards your point of view regarding the offense.
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by kingsfan300 on Jan 2, 2012 1:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, damn.
That’s a shot at Westphal, no doubt about it.
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by Ichiban on Jan 1, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No
It wasn’t at all.
It was acknowledgement they, as players, weren’t putting forth the effort. Didn’t come off as a shot at Westy at all.
He said it's not the greatest offense, as in, the offense the coach put in place is not that great.
Might not be meant as a dig but it’s not a compliment.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just...
… don’t think it had anything to do with Westphal. Actually heard him make those comments pre-game so maybe he worded things differently if you’re saying he said this postgame.
Definitely didn’t come off to me as a slight against the coaching staff of PW specifically, more as a “we need to step it up” kinda thing.
Correction...
I think I heard this in the post-game interview with Jerry/Grant. Getting confused. :-)
Is that in the blueprint?
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah - slightly humorous, but
If Reke were more eloquent, he wouldn’t have left that ambiguity – is he saying that “it’s not the greatest offense”, or " A lot of people complain … it’s not the greatest offense"? I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think he was consciously dissing Westphal.
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by Biscuit on Jan 1, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a generational difference
While I agree a GOOD coach should be able to handle and work around immaturity in players, but I think it’s a bit sad that we’ve come to accept the fact that today’s NBA stars are allowed to have attitude and complete disregard for any form of professionalism. I think it comes with the gig. You’re a role model and being watched by millions. The NBA (and just about every other professional sports organization) has lost it’s most influential factor: class.
I don't think the NBAs ever been about class
Its always been about showmanship, the immature attitudes of players caught on somewhere along the way. The NBAs always marketed their stars above all else though, when you do that you have to live with their personality flaws as well.
Get rid of both..
Westy isn’t coaching.. DMC is a clown.. Give Keith Smart a shot at head coach and trade Cousins to Minny.. He can cool his off his temper in the -3 degree cold for all I care. Punching Donte.. Getting kicked out of multiple practices.. I love the guys game, but he’s not helping this team.
by Sincere P. on Jan 1, 2012 10:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You do realize
That the only reason he dropped to the 5th pick was for this very reason?
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
I'm very aware.. I watched the draft too.
Hey I just bought a Cousins jersey last year.. Worn it once! But if they could get a good trade together for him… I think I could understand the team for doing it.. Then get rid of PW. This team just has to much drama going on with it!
by Sincere P. on Jan 1, 2012 10:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing that's happened so far couldn't be made better by Geoff Petrie and Chuck Hayes taking a boatload of chicken and waffles over to DeMarcu's house and chewing the fat...so to speak
Westphal needs to go and go soon. It may be that Petrie is weak as well and isn’t up to solving this messed up mess of a mess. MichaelMack summed the issue up well on another thread which I would block qoute now that I know how to but it’s kind of long.
In another post I suggested the the FO should be approaching the dubs ownership group about talking to Michael Malone about the head coach position. While I’m sure Keith Smart could easily coach the team for the rest of the season I don’t see him as an ideal permenant replacement for Westphal.
Cuz’s comments sound more like one half of a domestic dispute than a real request for a trade and Westphal’s inability to deal with DeMarcus’s immature attack on his authority indicates to me that this whole thing really illuminates Westphal’s shortcomings than DMC’s. I’m not against gifting Cuz with a little discipline but the public nature of this crap weakens the team in many ways and again Sacramento becomes synonomous with idiocy.
Westphal simply needs to go and he needs to go now. After they finish up their chicken and waffles Petrie and Hayes should take Cuz back to the practice facility to work it all off. At their first break Petrie should call Westphal to chill out and hang out, Geoff will coach the team on the road trip and talk with Westphal when the team returns to Sac.
The fact that Petrie hasn’t reacted quickly to get this to simmer down and take it private may well indicate that both GM and coach need to go and a fresh view needed in the executive suites capable of dealing with today’s NBA.
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by Bluejohn on Jan 1, 2012 10:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Great take.
I totally agree.
DMC is an angry kid.
PW is a buffoon.
The fact that Petrie seems so absent in this event causes me the most distress. His absence may be the final sign that this team is leveraging its way out of town.
His absence may be the final sign that this team is leveraging its way out of town?
I don’t see any connection at all, and Petrie is meeting with Cousins tomorrow.
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Asked Geoff Petrie if the Kigns intend to trade Cousins. His answer: “No.”Plans to meet with Cousins tomorrow.
4 hours ago
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Cousins is a baby!!!!....
I cant stand DMC’s antics on the court- mostly just the crying for the ball… It’s ridiculous when other players have to worry about his mental state. Plus he’s a total black hole. In my opinion the 1 on 1 “my turn” basketball last year started with him then spread like the plauge to reke and others…. They played carefree tonight but I don’t really want to trade him at the moment as he has tremendous upside.. !!! Seems like PW wanted to get back at Cousins for slingin mud his way after the NY game so he slung a little back himself.
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Cousins has the maturity of a 21-year-old
If he doesn’t start acting like a 22-year-old by next year, I say we trade him.
"Minimize excursions to the basket" - Paul Westphal on defending Derrick Rose
by Biscuit on Jan 1, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
I get the joke! and its funny..
But I don’t give a big fat F—- that he’s young anymore- just because your young in not an excuse to act like a fool.. All the time! He needs to get his head out of his ass and grow the F—- up already!
by Sincere P. on Jan 1, 2012 11:02 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
But he doesn't act like a fool all the time.
More than most in the NBA. More than can be or should be accepted but not all the time.
I doubt he’s a terrible teammate. I doubt he’s a real cancer.
If he was trouble off the court in terms of his behavior, I might buy into all this negativity regarding Cousins, but ALL of his issues stem from dealing with how things go off the court and the fact that he is ultra competitive. I have followed him closely and really feel like he is a great kid who gets very emotional and needs find a better way to deal with this kind of thing.
I also think he needs to be with a coach that can help him do that and one that he trusts. That is not Westphal by any stretch of the imagination. That’s my problem with this whole press release and the media tongue lashing that followed. How can you trust a guy that just threw you under the buss? How can the relationship ever be repaired?
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree, he's acts like a fool... but not all the time.
I think he has made some pretty big strides in his behavior on the court. He doesn’t argue with the refs or complain nearly as much as he did at the start of last year and considering he fouled out in almost every game he played in this year, I am honestly surprised he didn’t blow a gasket yet.
With that being said, the only issues we heard about since the Donte Green fight was the " trade demand " after the Knicks game. And from the fan’s comments, it seems like many of us wanted to release a little frustration on Westfail. With that being said, he should not have picked a fight with the coach.
by ridingthebench on Jan 1, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Okay if u guys want to argue that "he doesn't act like a fool ALL the time."
That’s fine I will give u that.. But it’s still more then I care to watch on TV.. Read about.. Or hear about. Its just not good for the team or him. Or anybody for that matter.
by Sincere P. on Jan 1, 2012 11:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
DMC just tweeted...
demarcus cousins @boogiecousins
Dnt listen to everything u hear …smh glad to knw who the real fans are tho …thanks
10:02 PM – 1 Jan 12 via TweetCaster for iOS · Details
Don't be so sure.
Petrie still needs to talk with him.
Still some time to catch that flight.
Everyone should sleep on it.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
99% chance Petrie is already on board with Westphal. You think he’d let his coach suspend his top pick without consent? The Maloofs were already quoted as agreeing with the coach.
The Malindas are idiots
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Malindiots?
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by otis29 on Jan 2, 2012 5:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying Petrie wasn't on PW's side
I’m saying a nice talk between Cousins and I guy I think he might have some respect for about the whole situation would be beneficial to all parties involved.
And again, things might look different in the morning.
Just trying to stay positive.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
I'm betting he plays
And as far as sports tweets go, I’m fine with that tweet. With the world of 24/7 news things will consistently get blown out of proportion
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 1, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
am I a real fan boogie?
I needz to know
by wallywagon11 on Jan 1, 2012 10:17 PM PST up reply actions