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No One Is Terribly Satisfied With the J.J. Hickson-Omri Casspi Deal

Cavs: The Blog, a blog about the Cavs, seeks to squelch early yells in Cleveland that are complaining about June's Omri Casspi-J.J. Hickson trade by pointing out how awful J.J. Hickson has been, not just this season, but basically for his entire NBA career. So while Casspi has been bad as Cleveland's starting small forward, Hickson has been just as bad if not worse.

If neither player develops this season, it looks like the trade would have been a wash ... if not for the protected draft pick that the Kings sent back to Cleveland. That pick will stay with the Kings in 2012 unless they make the playoffs, and is protected in the top 13 in 2013, top 12 in 2014 and top 10 from 2015 through 2017. If the Kings have a top-10 pick through 2017, it becomes a second-round pick. Also, the Kings will have not made the playoffs in 11 seasons. At some point, it will likely be handed over somewhere between No. 10 and 20.

That's the potential rain cloud hanging over this deal. The Kings bet that Hickson would be productive enough to better than Casspi plus a mid-first round pick. Hickson looks like a replacement level player compared to the Kings' two other healthy bigs. He could turn it around under Keith Smart and come into his own while Chuck Hayes heals, but would anyone bet on that happening at this point? Has anyone seen any glimpses of greatness lurking within?

There's time -- not a ton, as Hickson's a restricted free agent in July -- but right now this looks like a(nother) bad bet for Geoff Petrie.

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Who is this JJ Hickson you speak of?

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by 49er16 on Jan 11, 2012 2:05 PM PST reply actions  

I thpught Hickson would show a lot more then he has

Having said that, I think he would be a great pick and roll player with a guard that actually knew how to run one. I like the way he attacks the boards, but he, like JT and Hayes, are 3rd bigs on good teams.

by elSAVinator on Jan 11, 2012 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

Casspi has been just abysmal this year.
Looking at the numbers so far, I am more than satisfied with this trade.

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by Ichiban on Jan 11, 2012 2:08 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

oh you.

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by Shizzo on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the worst part of this trade

Is tying up the first round pick as a useable asset for future trades.

So no, I’m not really satisfied. Hope Hickson figures it out…

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by otis29 on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i definitely expected more from Hickson...

PLEASE PUT THOMPSON OVER HIM IN THE ROTATION. every time Thompson comes in he plays decent and has earned the spot. Let Hickson fight for the spot back because he def hasnt earned a starting role here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up Smart

by yaboyrafa on Jan 11, 2012 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

To me, the problem with starting JT over JJ...

Is that JT can’t cover face-up Power Forwards to save his life. JJ isn’t the best defender around, but he at least has the foot speed to stay with the quicker Power Forwards in the league.

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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The benefit, obviously...

Being that we’ll be starting two absolutely massive guys that can beast on the boards and abuse people in the post.

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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 12, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

If it weren't for that space between JJ's ears, I think he would have been a steal. Unfortunately most GMs likely knew this going into the offseason.

Although overrall I agree it’s not the great trade, it does have some risk, and even though I am actually a huge fan of keeping draft picks and stockpiling them as assets, I just want to say this: the potential of mid first round picks often in reality will no way, shape, or form be worth what we as obsessed fans think it one day could have been.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 11, 2012 2:17 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well said
I just want to say this: the potential of mid first round picks often in reality will no way, shape, or form be worth what we as obsessed fans think it one day could have been.

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by Shizzo on Jan 11, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

So far JJ sucks balls

Bring back Brockman and put JJ as our 5th big. I think he is the type that needs someone to set him up for all his points and allows him to be a weak side defender. The Suns and Nash would have been good for him, but with the way the Kings are built, I think that JT is a much better fit.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 11, 2012 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

exactly

have u ever seen one of his highlight videos on youtube? you would think its an Lebron assist video. he needs to be set up.

by yaboyrafa on Jan 11, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that pick is protected until 2017

Might be another 2-3 years before the Kings are in the playoffs.

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2012 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

That should help get through the season

From now until the lotto we can root for Anthony Davis. After we get screwed in the lotto, we can all debate is the system is rigged or if the Kings just have bad luck.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

besides i think portand may sign batum long term, wallace is going to want a big contract.

by Beer_man on Jan 11, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

JJ is our most athletic player

and I personally like the trade (though not thrilled with losing a pick, whenever that may actually happen.) I think he definitely helps our rebounding #‘s, which would be abysmal WITH Chuck in the lineup, never mind without. I think JJ’s a solid rotation guy who just needs some time to figure out the system (you know, kinda like everyone else on the roster at this point.)
Honestly, to pinpoint JJ as a disappointment is kinda putting the cart before the horse as far as the Kings are concerned and I seriously don’t miss Omri one bit…

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by Sacto_J on Jan 11, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

I agree JJ gives us some size and

some athleticism. lets be honest The Chuck wagon and DMC are glued to the floor. Dont get me wrong Chuck has shown that he can keep bigs out of the paint he just struggles on the rebounding. I think I am frustrated with JJ in his FT attempts he seems to really struggle at the line. If he got better at the FT’s he would be pretty solid in my opinion. I like the trade JJ for Omri

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by 1damutt on Jan 11, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

1 more thing

I also like the fact that he is willing to get after it a bit

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by 1damutt on Jan 11, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with this...

Also will add that Hickson will get better as our ball movement gets better. He more than anyone needs open looks to get himself going early on (not a post up fadeaway!!)

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by Wonderchild on Jan 11, 2012 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

For the first time as a Kings fan ever...

…I am totally fine with firing Petrie.

He just doesn’t seem to have it anymore. There’s a whole slough of things over the past few years that Im ight point to, but the backbreaker is the Salmons trade, which to me is indefensible. Move DOWN in the draft AND take on huge salary for a mediocre (at best) player? Didn’t make sense then and it doesn’t now.

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by PhutureKings on Jan 11, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

I think the trade down part

should concern people more when it comes to scouting because to me it’s a sign that the team and it’s basketball people did not see Knight or Kemba as necessarily being better than Jimmer. Considering all the talk we heard about how unimpressed they were with Knight, I think it’s fairly safe to say they did not have much love for Knight. Now if Jimmer shines, nevermind but if not … well, yeah.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Or maybe the Maloofs demanded Jimmer for the sales

I don’t think too many people saw Knight falling as far as he did. During the draft, I felt our choices were Jimmer or Walker. I didn’t have a problem with Jimmer over Walker, but looking back at the draft, I wish we had our #7 and picked up Knight. We may have been stuck with Beno, but its better than the fish.

My other thought is that the Maloofs demanded to drop in the draft to save money on Jimmers rookie contract. I have no support to back this up except that the Maloofs are cheap.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I think JJ has enough time and talent to turn this thing around

But honestly, more than anyone on our team, he needs a pass-first player to be on the floor. When he is in the game, there are times where he beats the big down the floor and gets rewarded with (Insert player’s name) holding on to the ball and pounding it into oblivion. There are also times where he gets out and runs the break with a wing to be rewarded with (Insert player’s name) going coast to coast without the thought of a pass.

JJ does settle for a lot of perimeter shots, but man it would be tough to continue to want to run the floor and score when no one really sees you. Hopefully Smart can do something to get this team to share the ball a bit more

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by mdotbrown on Jan 11, 2012 3:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

meh...I don't mind this trade

but Salmons is another matter altogether

by polotown on Jan 11, 2012 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't think much of the trade at the time

I thought it was just PW running another strong willed young player out of town. And, while JJ has a lot to learn on both ends of the court, so did JT a couple of years ago.

Last season, JJ was another young player that had to step up and play out of position for his team. He did it well. For right now, all he needs to do is work on his defense, and rely on his teammates to get him the ball where he can score. Of course, that works the same for every player on this team.

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by HighTops on Jan 11, 2012 3:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe I'm Overreacting

But I fire Petrie. Then again, I would have to rely on the good judgement of the brothers Maloof to hire a superior replacement. So, never mind…

by nohops on Jan 11, 2012 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

What good has Petrie done lately? It seems like all he does is push the timetable back for the team's development.

What was the purpose of acquiring Salmons and Outlaw? Or tying up that first round pick? At this point, would anyone be upset if Cisco started over Salmons? Cisco can provide excellent defense and doesn’t have an itch to pound the ball into the ground.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 12, 2012 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

I don't see why people are saying that JJ is performing so poorly--

—When everyone on our team is highly underperforming.

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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Hmmm

Is anyone on the Kings playing ‘well’ right now? Anyone?

Although I’m as tired as everyone else with the whole “let’s give it some time” optimism

- I really think we need to give it another 7 games or so.

He’s been, ummm . . . . athletic! :-)

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by lietothegirls on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

DeMarcus Cousins

He is easily surpassing my expectations for him at this point of his second season. I certainly did not envision him averaging a double double with almost 2 blocks a game and a PER of over 22 (5th among power forwards and 5th among centers).

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by section214 on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Tyreke Evans might not be playing as well as some people want him to

But he’s also been playing pretty damn well ever since Smart took over.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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by raiderking21 on Jan 12, 2012 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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