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Marcus Thornton To Miss Kings' Game At Rockets Friday; Jimmer Fredette To Start Again

Marcus Thornton remains out with a left thigh contusion, the Sacramento Bee's Jason Jones reports. Thornton will sit for the Kings' Friday night game against the Houston Rockets. Jones also reports that Jimmer Fredette will continue to start in Thornton's place.

The two-guard missed games Tuesday and Wednesday on the road; Fredette started each, and Sacramento split them. Fredette in the starting five has shifted Tyreke Evans to shooting guard. Evans scored big on Wednesday against the Raptors, but the team has struggled to pick up many assists, even more than usual.

On Wednesday, the Kings had 13 assists on 30 made field goals. (Jimmer had zero, and Isaiah Thomas had six off of the bench.) On Tuesday in a blowout loss to the Sixers, the Kings had 16 assists on 34 makes, with Jimmer picking up three.

The Rockets are just 3-7 this season, with the league's No. 15 offense and No. 26 defense. Houston is 2-1 at home. Jimmer and Tyreke will have their hands full on defense against Kyle Lowry and Kevin Martin.

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Early prediction:

DMC gets into early foul trouble against Scola, but comes back in the 2nd quarter and dominates the game from there on. K-Mart has an awful shooting night but still ends up with 24. Tyreke is the player of the game with 30-9 boards-11 dimes.

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jan 13, 2012 10:31 AM PST reply actions  

Who will guard Jimmer?

I would guess K-Mart since Ariza and Lowry may be covering Salmons and Tyreke. If they do try to hide K-Mart on Jimmer, I hope Jimmer hits his open shots. Then again, they may be able to hide K-Mart on Salmons the way the fish has played.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 13, 2012 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

Lowry

Ariza plays for the Hornets now.

by StevenG on Jan 13, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I have an odd feeling that Salmons is going to have a good game tonight

Tyreke should have a field day on this defense and hopefully he’ll be able to find Cousins for an easy dump off once Scola commits .

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 13, 2012 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Jimmer may just have his first good game

with Kevin Martin guarding him (……….holding my breath……….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

by yaboyrafa on Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM PST reply actions  

Yes, Will Jimmer put up shots in a timely manner?

or defer and hesitate too much again?

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Martin would have to move his feet to stay in front of Jimmer for his length to be useful

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by HighTops on Jan 13, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Some teams use these things they call, uh let me see - oh yes - screens.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm....

I’m reading my Sacramento Kings encyclopedia and I see no mention of this “screen” thing you are referring too.

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 13, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Rockets might go small

with Lowry and Dragic in the game and KMart at the small forward spot (they finally did that for extended minutes against San Antonio)

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Did it work?

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

My thought was because he has no chance against Tyreke

Salmons is another story. Salmons should be able to abuse Martin when Salmons slashes, but Salmons is awful so he probably won’t.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

So then who

does Lowry guard? Salmons? Parsons on Tyreke?

by StevenG on Jan 13, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

The Rockets look pretty bad

I’ve never watched Parsons, so I don’t know what he is good at, but based on his stats, I would welcome him on the kings as a SF.

If Parsons isn’t a good defender, I think our guards can dominate the game. I would think Lowry has to guard Tyreke since he is the only starter that I know of that cares to defend. I don’t think they can count on an out of shape Sammy to stop him in the paint alone, but he’s better than nothing. Outside of Sammy, they have no post defense to stop Tyreke’s drives.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

You know Lowry is 6'1" right?

So you want to put the 6’1" guy on the 6’5" because the Rockets’ 6’5" guy “has no chance” against Tyreke but the 6’1" does because he cares to try? Sorry I’m not following the logic here.

And when I say "guard’ I mean defensive assignments. I’m not implying a certain player can shut down the other.

by StevenG on Jan 13, 2012 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

You should know, when it comes to good defense, height sometimes isn't a factor

Now it is a factor sometimes, but with a defender as good as Lowry, he could guard taller SG’s in this league

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If Lowry is on Tyreke to start the game

(in my best Chris Webber voice) “Good luck.”

by StevenG on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

My issue with Martin on Tyreke is that I haven’t seen Martin show the defensive quickness and dedication to defend one of the best slashers like Tyreke.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 13, 2012 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

If Tyreke could hit his outside shot or post up, I'd agree with you

But, Evans is a slasher who doesn’t use screens, so Lowry should be able to stay in front of him. Tyreke’s size advantage doesn’t matter if he can’t shoot over the top, or post him up. Evans is shooting 30% on the long ball, so Houston would love for him to try and shot over Lowry rather than drive to the rim where he shots 60%. As for posting up Lowry, you’d think Evans could do that but how often does he?

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by HighTops on Jan 13, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's paint players who really guard Tyreke

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Reunion night!

Chuck Hayes
Donte Greene
Kevin Martin
Samuel Dalembert

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 13, 2012 10:51 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

K-Mart vs. Tyreke. Sammy vs. Cousins.

Sweet. Look for Isaiah to play a lot against Kyle Lowry. Seems like Kings like his defense against small quick PGs.

"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.

by bench_blob on Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

Seems like Kings like his defense against small quick PGs.

Not sure if that is a trend we’ve necessarily seen yet.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

They Love Chuck Too

Per Jason Jones twitter:

Sounds like there will also be a video tribute for Chuck Hayes. He’s hoping not to get emotional

by #12Pick...who? on Jan 13, 2012 10:56 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Back in the day

Charley Horse (The term may date back to American slang of the 1880s, possibly from the pitcher Charlie “Old Hoss” Radbourn who is said to have suffered from cramps)(hopefully not once a month).

by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2012 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard

That’s being on the wrong end of a man-crush

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Salmons lost about 10 days of preseason with a thigh contusion.

So, Thornton will probably miss another couple games, if not another week.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 13, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Moar Coaches!!!

Per Sam Amick’s Twitter:


In wake of Paul Westphal firing, source says Alex English will be added to the Kings coaching staff headed by Keith Smart.


The former Denver star (also played Milw, Indy, Dallas) was 8-time All Star & 1-time scoring champ (82-83); previously assistant in Toronto.

by #12Pick...who? on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

Alex English

He could be the ex-star that could mentor Cousins, once he tells Cousins who he is.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

sure would be nice if jimmer wouldn’t pass up the open shots , I’d like him to shoot them BYU 3s. that would be nice instead of salmons.

by Beer_man on Jan 13, 2012 11:13 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

He's only shooting 31% from 3 so far

Only 35% from the field

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah i know , isaiah thomas is being Isaiah thomas , i don’t see jimmer being jimmer , shoot the ball! just saying ,lol.

by Beer_man on Jan 13, 2012 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

I really would love it if Jimmer had the type of game that IT had on Wednesday night.

I want to see Jimmer succeed, maybe it would help some of the fans that think he’s already a bust back on the Jimmer bandwagon.

by DiegoKing on Jan 13, 2012 11:23 AM PST reply actions  

I like the fans that are already writing Jimmer off as a bust

It lets me know quite early to never take anything they say seriously.

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I've criticized him a couple times when he's deserved it,

but by no means do am I writing off Jimmer as a bust. That’s as short sided as it gets doing it 11 games into his NBA career, lol.

by DiegoKing on Jan 13, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Alright Jimmer... Time to shine.

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by haglnuts on Jan 13, 2012 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

Rockets have a lot of bodies to put on DMC

Patrick Patterson will probably give him the most trouble. Also will see Dally and Scola guard him some.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 13, 2012 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe a Dwight-like 45-30.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer has this great shot

Jimmer needs to shoot better but I see him developing this great Dirk Nowitzki type of shot. He dribbles to the paint or around it and then he turns and shoots this fade away shot.

If he can start hitting 3 pointers and he perfects that shot it will be hard to guard him. Watch tonight. He will dribble into the paint, turn and shoot a fade away shot.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

I said Dirk Nowitzki type of shot

I never said anything about Jimmer’s mechanics being like Dirk’s. It’s a fade away shot that will be very hard to guard if he perfects it because other guards would have to foul him to try and block the shot.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems Like

a shot to work on. He has the strength to make that type of shot work.

by nohops on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry what I am trying to say is

Jimmer’s fade away has very little chance of being great like Dirks. I do understand though that the shot makes you think of Dirk given it’s a fade away but Dirk can get it off effectively because he can put the ball over the top of his head and still make it and is 7 feet tall.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What you're missing is

Jimmer doesn’t need to be over anyone’s head with that shot. Have you seen the defense trying to block it? Nope, because they can’t..

I saw it blocked once when a taller forward switched to him. You could see Jimmer trying to adjust the shot when he’s facing taller players.

If he perfects that shot and learns how to adjust it when facing taller players, it will be hard to stop.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well yeah if he perfects that shot he's golden

just good luck getting a the proper arch on that shot consistently. That’s why you don’t see a ton of guards perfecting it. Believe it or not but it’s a tad bit harder for Jimmer given … he’s not 7 feet tall.

That’s a mighty tall order.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Really

Jimmer has good hang time with that shot and like I said, I’ve only seen it blocked once by a taller forward and he hasn’t perfected it yet.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not saying Jimmer is going to get swatted all over the place

clearly he will use what you described as hang time and perhaps shoot it at a different angle (like Stephen Jackson or Tyreke does with the insane high arc fade aways that either swish or go bouncing way up in the air off of the rim and often on top of the backboard or out of bounds). I mean it’s more difficult to make it when one has to shoot it at such angles which Jimmer will.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

that’s a real difficult shot in the NBA for a guard. All I was saying is that Jimmer’s fade away has very little chance of being great like Dirks. That’s it. I think that is really diffiult for him to “perfect” even though yes he will have to use it time to time.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on Wally!

You know that Jimmer’s yet to be perfected spin move fade away jumper in the lane is unstoppable. Kareem’s skyhook has nothing on that!

by Crocoduck on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Isaiah is more NBA-ready than Jimmer. Therefore, he should start. Isaiah is a BEAST.

"If you don't like me, then trade me." -Demarcus Cousins (The Heart of a Lion)

by MitchRich2 on Jan 13, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Nope, Isaiah shouldn't start

Right now, I think Jimmer’s +/- in the first quarter is good and that’s why Smart is starting him.

In Philly, they were basically tied or up by no more than 4 when Jimmer was in the line up. When he came out of the line up Philly went up by 10.

In Toronto he did the same thing. One of the things that have hurt the Kings is slow starts. They get down by too many points and it’s hard to come back.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

When Isaiah came on the court in Philly, they went up by 10 on the Kings and they kept passing the ball to whoever Thomas was defending.

In Toronto Thomas didn’t have someone like Holiday guarding him.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer still did good

That first quarter, Toronto couldn’t get a lead when Jimmer was in just like Philly couldn’t.

Thomas has a better +/_ for one game. In Philly the Kings dropped down by double digits when Thomas entered the game.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally I think both are games are a small sample size regardless

Either way you said

Right now, I think Jimmer’s +/- in the first quarter is good and that’s why Smart is starting him.

And I am just telling you that technically Isaiah’s +/- for entire games right now is actually better. That’s it. Nothing fancy to draw from it. I have zero clue what Jimmer’s +/- for the first quarter of all the games for the season is right now but just pointing out that for the season right now Isaiah actually for all four quarters is better. Can it change? Of course it can.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

You can only say this about one game. Also, you have to have quarter by quarter break downs. Any “Smart” Coach knows this.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

awesome. You honestly think Jimmer’s +/- so far for the season has been better.

1 is a higher number then 2 apparantly

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

If you don’t understand that a Coach will look at quarter by quarter break downs, then you don’t know basketball.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

...

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by otis29 on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Any "Smart" coach knows

that a better first quarter +/- clearly means a Player A has a better season +/- regardless of whether Player B has a better season +/-.

So long as Player A is Jimmer of course. Oh and he can simply perfect incredibly difficult shots whenever he chooses to.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That was funny

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Please stop talking about +/-

even in jest

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

almost worthless

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Re-make

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't remember

But did people go this Thomas crazy when he had that decent 16 point game last week?

by Crocoduck on Jan 13, 2012 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good Point

I think Thomas had a good game but Thomas needs to play more off the bench with teams like Toronto or he should have played more against the Knicks early. They don’t have anyone to guard him but against taller guards that are just as fast like Derrick Rose or Jrue Holiday, he will have serious trouble like he did in Philly.

by Polomontana on Jan 13, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see how IT gets playing time unless they only sub him in when Dragic is in.

He just can’t defend Lowry or any of their SGs.

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 13, 2012 12:54 PM PST reply actions  

I think he'd bother Lowry more than Jimmer will

I’d be surprised if he didn’t get some decent minutes.

by Crocoduck on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I think he'd bother Lowry more than Jimmer will

I’d be surprised if he didn’t get some decent minutes.

by Crocoduck on Jan 13, 2012 1:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Isaiah is pretty good on defense.

"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.

by bench_blob on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he has been so far

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by otis29 on Jan 13, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Not if you post him up

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Lowry have a post up game?

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

He's been very solid on defense to this point, and I haven't seen many guards try to post him (yet)

So I don’t think it’s a reason to pre-emptively pull him from the lineup due to a bad matchup. If he starts getting abused, then pull him.

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by otis29 on Jan 13, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

They've posted him up and definately shot over him.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...haven't seen a lot of that

Or at least, I haven’t seen a lot of that work successfully.

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by otis29 on Jan 13, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Flavor of the week syndrome

let’s see when teams actually start game planning for him.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2012 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

True, my post skills are pretty lethal

"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.

by bench_blob on Jan 13, 2012 1:31 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

So

He’s always been a master of the jump pass…

by Anton on Jan 13, 2012 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Good court vision

Maybe the jump pass is not such a great idea, though…. Is that what you’re saying?

by Mr. Rockie on Jan 13, 2012 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a good thing when it's planned and you know what you are doing

It’s not a good thing when you use it as a last resort and you don’t know what you are going to do with it after you leave your feet which Tyreke and Jimmer have had a problem with.

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by raiderking21 on Jan 13, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That first one you post against Gonzaga

Its a masterpiece. But Jimmer lost his confidence somewhere around the second game of this season. I hope he finds it soon.

by Poodytang on Jan 13, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

It's easier to play when

the ball is always in your hands, you know you will get 25 shots per game, and you are given the ultimate green light. In the NBA Jimmer will never be able to have such offensive freedom. He won’t be allowed to play through mistakes and cold stretches. He’s not dominant enough to be given that kind of freedom. How he reacts to becoming a more conventional basketball player, with a shorter leash and smaller margin for error, will ultimately tell the tale regarding what kind of career he has. Thomas’ improved play may mess with Jimmer’s psyche / confidence even more, or it may be a catalyst for him to realize that the best thing to do is be himself and do his thing.

by Kingstime on Jan 13, 2012 2:01 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I feel

a breakout game for the Jimmer. That 0 assists last game isn’t truly indicative of what he did on the court. I remember several great set-ups for his teammates. Jimmer needs to shoot the ball if he has an an opening. Jimmer is a much better option than Salmons or Outlaw shooting 3’s.

by F3RRi3R on Jan 13, 2012 2:21 PM PST reply actions  

I agree with you wholeheartedly

and if it doesn’t happen tonight than I feel the same next game. If it doesn’t happen next game than it will happen the game after that. Or after that. Or after that…

by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2012 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

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