Mavericks 99, Kings 60: Yes, It Was As Bad As You Think
by Tom Ziller on Jan 14, 2012 8:58 PM PST
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PrintThe Sacramento Kings had basically the worst game ever on Saturday, losing 99-60 to the Dallas Mavericks. The Kings set the franchise record for fewest points in a half (23 in the first) and came within one point of the record low for a game (59 in 1991 against the Hornets). The Kings broke their record for lowest field goal percentage in a game (25.6 percent, beating the 27.9 percent from that epic 45-point home loss to the Celtics in 2008). This game finishes No. 2 in fewest field goals made (22) and ties for the fifth-worst all-time in assists (10) and registered as the sixteen worst loss by point differential in Sacramento history.
Other than that, it was great.
The best shooter in the starting lineup was John Salmons at 3-7. DeMarcus Cousins was No. 2 at 4-12. Four of 12. Marcus Thornton, back from injury, went 4-14 for 14 points. J.J. Hickson was 1-8. Tyreke Evans and Jimmer Fredette, two of the three guards who, with Thornton, played at least 20 minutes, combined for two made field goals in 16 shots over 54 minutes.
The offense looked truly awful from the start, with everyone freelancing and taking shots off of the dribble instead of from crisp passes in scoring position. The team seemed to play hard throughout, but almost never played smart. The Kings were suffocated all night, as Dallas seemed to know exactly what Sacramento wanted to do and stopped it. Every Cousins post-up or Evans drive was swarmed. Jimmer was hounded constantly, unable to spring free with the ball or not. Salmons was Salmons -- he worked hard and had some good defensive plays, but missed the few open shots he got and was overpowered frequently. Hickson is still energetic and appears to have good intentions on the court, but he's just a mess of fast-twitch muscle with no clear plan on any given possession. (He is in his fourth season.)
That was just ugly.
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My detailed analysis of this game
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
by Normdog on Jan 14, 2012 9:04 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Angry Zoidberg is Angry.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:04 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Petrie's free pass has expired
But first the Maloofs needs to sell the team!
@dampania | Section 103 Row V
by dampania on Jan 14, 2012 9:05 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
The truth is starting to emerge
The Maloofs and Petrie have co-conspired to sandbag the season for the exodus.
by convoy on Jan 14, 2012 9:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Breaking News: Burkle has expressed he is no longer interested in the acquiring the Kings.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
"NBA? I thought they were a football team... nevermind..."
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2012 5:37 AM PST up reply actions
Fun Fact
There are more words in the title of this article than the Kings first quarter points.
by mrosado on Jan 14, 2012 9:13 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I would like to see...
a well executed side pick and roll/pop more often as a point of emphasis.
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 14, 2012 9:15 PM PST reply actions
@mr_jasonjones
Jason Jones
Cousins is still feeling sick but will play tonight. As coach said best way to get rid of a cold is to run.
3 hours ago
Doesn't explain
How the rest of the team stunk ass.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Hope you are joking.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Wish I was...
@DwainPrice
Kings C DeMarcus Cousins had to be restrained from going after a Dallas media cameraman in the Kings’ locker room after the game.
https://twitter.com/#!/DwainPrice/status/158415008374587392
:(
Scot Pollard for President
He's improving
He now is actually upset after a horrendous loss.
by larry_funderburke on Jan 14, 2012 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jason Jones Via Twitter
“It didn’t actually happen like that”
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
at least it wasnt a teammate this time
he’s trying
by Brannigan's Law on Jan 14, 2012 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
Oh God, hope everyone is okay.
Might explain why Smart didn’t give a post game interview.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Ah, Kings basketball.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
by swoosh91 on Jan 14, 2012 9:25 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I really feel that Petrie makes some kind of public statement after this loss.
I don’t know what, but something.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
meant to say - Petrie needs to make
This was a new low. If he doesn’t address it, it will appear that he is dodging the issues. At least that is how I feel. Don’t know what the rest of you think about this.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Yeah Petrie needs to own up
This is his mess. This isn’t Smarts fault. I don’t think PW was a good coach but I don’t think it was fully his fault either. This is the Maloofs & Petrie’s baby. The need to change tje shitty diaper.
by Allbenji on Jan 14, 2012 9:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
loyalty
And I still watch this team…
by 2001nbachampions on Jan 14, 2012 9:33 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Keep an eye out for Jason Jones Blog -
He says it didn’t really happen like portrayed. He’ll post what happened on his blog.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
Couldn't just look on Twitter?
Here ya go though!
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
I think to recall
Jimmer only making more than two shots in a row once this season? Yikes.
by larry_funderburke on Jan 14, 2012 9:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
In a play for team unity.....
and fostering a family atmosphere the rest of the team agreed to shoot worse than Salmons to make him feel better. Mission accomplished!!!!
by nerdninja on Jan 14, 2012 9:43 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
4 and 9 sucks.......
but it comes out to 25 wins in an 82 game season. Thinks aren’t worse, they are just stagnant. (sigh)
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
If I were Smart
I’d start JT over JJ and try Donte over Salmons, as long as he promises to keep rebounding.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 14, 2012 9:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Story's Up. Had to deal with a media man keeping his camera on Cousins while he was changing.
Via Jones’ twitter. Take a look.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
At no point did Cousins go after him
Even when he called him “Crazy DMC”.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
He got up, gathered his stuff and left the room.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Here's the "incident" between Cousins and camera dude:
Cousins was getting dressed and there was a cameraman standing in front of him and Cousins asked could he not point the camera at him…
while he changed. The cameraman said the camera was off, and Cousins said he still dind’t want camera on him. Cameraman’s reply: “whatever”
Cousins basicailly said, I don’t care, keep the camera off me. As cameraman leaves he makes a remark about making sure the camera was off…
next time he was in there. Cousins asks “what did he say” and stands up. Isaiah Thomas grabbed Cousins by his sweatshirt to say calm down
At no point did Cousins try to go after the cameraman. Cousins then gathered his belongings and left the locker room.
Then said cameraman came to media room to talk about Crazy DMC, not mentioning that he did egg on DMC some with last comment.
But no, DMC DID NOT go after him, chase him, etc. Looks/sounds much worse than it was. Used some bad language, which he can’t do
In that situation w/ cameras around and such, but trust me, I was there. It’s much ado about nothing. If Cousins ignores 2nd comment there
is nothing to talk about. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
I was in the locker room, I saw the whole thing.
Could DMC have ignore him? Yes. But he’s still sick, agitated over the loss and the cameraman wasn’t exactly trying to calm things down
https://twitter.com/mr_jasonjones
Rebuilding the Kings.
by KF10 on Jan 14, 2012 10:01 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
another one
BTW I’ve seen MUCH worse with reporters/cameramen/athletes in NFL locker rooms. Never gets reported. DMC’s rep hurts him in these situations
Rebuilding the Kings.
I've worried aloud about our bball IQ since lockout.
obviously, we just dont have players who play smart, or understand team concepts. when you combine that with no defense, little veteran presence, and weak shooting, you get abysmal results. Worst kind of growing pains.
Seems like, basically our choices are: 1) ride it out, watch a bunch of blowouts this season, Kings most likely relocate and get a top 3 draft pick. Prob (with our luck) we drop as far as possible. But it is a good draft. Make smart offseason moves.
2) Blow it up, including Petrie (but not Smart, as this is clearly a player issue). Keep the core of Reke, Thornton, Hayes and DMC and Isiah; but offer everything else and the kitchen sink for whatever you can get, namely the best 1,3, and 4 we can get. Which I don’t think will be much.
Saw Moneyball the other night. This year kind of reminds me of that movie. Except we assembled a team on the cheap without doing the math, or having the right basketball minds win out. We took a risk with Jimmer likely because he could put butts in seats, and might be a big win if he could hack the pros. We took Salmons assuming he would be the same steady player, a year older and in rebuilding situation, we built around Reke and Cousins assuming that Reke would suddenly become a floor general/PG (Na gonna happen) and Cousins would suddenly become a different person, or mature more rapidly—when both are midterm projects. We took Hickson thinking last year for Cavs was a fluke—same basically with Outlaw’s career. We signed Thornton thinking he would stay a nightly scoring machine based on a couple months in a contract year; signed Hayes thinking he could anchor our defense and provide stability (and he still might when he gets back from injury).
We basically lost on all our bets so far. And that goes back a few years. Some would even argue we lost on the Reke pick (seeing how Rubio is adjusting). Remember, Reke would not have won ROY if Griffin hadn’t been hurt. The Donte and JT experiments are over (though i would be more tempted to keep JT because of his hustle and size) and Garcia has not been the same player since his injury.
I really hope they don’t leave Sacto. Which is why I hope they will do what’s necessary now to put a competitive team on the floor. Get back to basics. Team basketball.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
This surprises the heck out of me VirginaBlue because I usually just skip over your posts but I took the time to read this and you are mostly right. rec'd
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
nate21h@evilcowtowninc.com
The thing about Rubio was that he had a huge buyout in his contract
Rubio spend 2 years overseas. Considering the state of affairs of the Kings that particular year (coming off from a franchise-worst 17 win season), they needed a player that was NBA-ready and available.
Believe me, I would have like to have Rubio but I think Reke was/is the better choice so far.
Jimmer, on the other hand, I’m not that too happy about it (draft deal specifically) because Knight was available at #7. We downgraded both picks (#7 to #10) and downgraded players (Beno to Salmons).
Rebuilding the Kings.
I took the time to read your post and agree with virtually everything you said.
The only thing I would disagree on, and just a minor point – I never have felt the organization had a very well-thought out plan for a point guard. I think trading Beno without an upgrade was a big mistake. Had this team used the same strategy as in Moneyball, they would have made better selections for the parts they needed. Other than that, I agree with everything you have to say.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
1st off,
if they leave Sacto, I’m no longer following the NBA. However, if they stay (which I’m betting & hoping they will do), I want to see them some major changes. They probably need to fire Petrie, but I’d wait until after the draft, given that’s his 1 area of expertise. I’d keep JT as a role player in addition to your core, assuming he’s paid no more than $4-5M.
2nd, Moneyball requires a plan. As far as I can tell, the Kings have no plan other than stockpiling talent, w/no regard for fit. They need to start thinking about fit. They definitely need a PG (I’ll assume Jimmer & Isaiah don’t develop into starting-caliber PG’s) & a SF. Hayes could be the starting PF w/the right pieces starting in the other positions. Otherwise, he’s a backup. It appears Thornton needs to be the 6th man. Both he & Reke appear to be SG’s. It’s too early to say that they’ve lost the bets on Reke & DMC.
It's too early
to give up on Jimmer. Also Reke’s been good & DMC has had good games & a lot of promise.
I think we just need a good coach
there doesn’t seem to be any kind of offensive scheme.
I realize that Smart is popular on this site, but I just don’t see the attraction.
The Kings should offer Sloan a decent deal and get a system in place.
Unfortunately, that won’t happen. So we will spend another season (shortened, thank God) watching this headless monstrosity get torn to pieces each night. That’s one more season of lousy basketball, one more season of young players not getting taught how to play as a team, one more season lost from the contracts of our best players, one more season of despair and cynicism for our players.
We have talent; they could play as a team if they had a decent coach.
Hire Sloan now.
by boredwiththeUSA on Jan 15, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Until now, I was trying to decide whether to buy League Pass to be able to watch games.
I think this game answers it. I’ll watch occasional youtube highlights from unexpected comebacks, and I’ll masochistically check this blog to see what’s going on.
Does not wanting to pay to watch this team make me a bad fan? Probably. Just after this game, it seems like there are more important things in life.
You're not alone
As an out-of-market fan, Im not paying to watch The Kings on League Pass either. I decided that a few games ago, but tonights dismal performance certainly solidifies my decision.
by convoy on Jan 15, 2012 12:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's a pattern.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course it's a pattern and it's endemic
It has been a pattern since Adelman left. However, it’s still one game. The existing problems are not going to just go away. Nothing new here…
Cousins Needs to learn from this guy about playing when sick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2os-hfXSUlA
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
Can the Kings get this guy on contract?
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eBFKdjaHiQ&feature=related
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Hah, sorry. Posting fail.
Still not sure how to title something and link it.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
You can't link in the title
You just highlight whatever word you want linked, and then press the chain icon. This brings up a box where you enter the URL.
Panic, surrender, blame
chillllllll… World Champs vs evolving Kings,,, I seem to remember Dallas doing this to the Lakers last year. We are a very young project. It’s very, very difficult to learn on the run at any level, much less the NBA. Every circumstance informs against this group: lockout, new roster, 2 GAME PRESEASON, coaching change after 7 games. We expect to overcome these obstacles in 6 weeks, and have offensive flow while learning two offenses from two coaches?
Blame…there must be blame! Fire Westphal! Fire Smart! Fire Petrie! Sue the Maloofs!
Howxabout we do what fans are spozed to do: root, hope, and continue these passionate discussions:)
Go Kings!
by zzsjolt on Jan 14, 2012 10:39 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We shouldn't be losing like this.
Not with those poor performances. It’s not the losing to the Mavs (although that’s debatable, they aren’t looking near as powerful as they were last year), but how they lost.
We’ve been rooting and hoping for improvements for about a decade now, maybe even for a championship coming up after 2002 (laughable now) and watched this team spiral down into oblivion.
Even Peaches said, we as fans deserve so much better.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
not to blow the momentum of my one successful post in years---
but I would second HarveySpecter’s notion and expand: the Mavs announcers tonight talked about the classic Mavs/Kings playoff series (most games of which I was present for in Arco, a personal highlight for me was seeing B. Jax’s career scoring night). But they noted the Mavs have been good every year since then, namely because of a consistent centerpiece in Dirk the Daring—and strong building around him.
Kings fans, as great as they are, should not have to continually suffer rebuilding woes like this. All you say is true in terms of our hurdles. But this is like a broken record at this point. With the picks we have gotten, we should be further along at this point, with a few solid trades. Petrie can only ride but so long on his early magic. It’s not so much picks, but building team chemistry that he seems to not get.
that said, I’m willing to admit that even this team could pull things together and win a few games by the end of the season, just like last year. Weirder things have happened. But the specter of relocation to Anaheim or Seattle makes putting a well-rounded team on the floor yesterday a priority. We can’t keep saying, “be patient.” We can’t become irrelevant to fans. And first quarter blowouts and setting heinous records tend to do that.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One difference
between the Mavs & Kings is that Cuban’s a spender & the Maloofs are cheapskates. Still, the Kings should be doing better than this.
Yeah it's hard to compare the two because of money. But Im stuck on Petrie tonight.
Something about his inability to see the glaring flaws in this team playing as a unit. Just seems odd. Can’t quite put my finger on it.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
I can't help wondering how this team would play if we had kept Casspi and Beno.
I know our defense would still suck, but I don’t think our offense would be nearly as bad.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think Omri
would have made a difference, but Beno might’ve helped the Kings play better.
Probably right. But Omri really showed flashes at times. Remember the way he used to finish the break?
Seeing Isiah and him run it would’ve been fun. And if he does develop into a steady 3-point threat, I could see him one day being like a minor Toni Kukoc.
But clearly, I’m just babbling now. Beno and Casspi wouldn’t solve our woes by a long shot. I think the mind reels after watching a first half like that.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
Omri has/had potential
but given the way he’s been playing this year, he probably wouldn’t have been helpful to this team (though I’m starting to think playing 4 on 5 would be better than playing Salmons, so he might’ve been helpful).
Yeah. It's like Salmons/Garcia are just there to give us 5 players on the court.
you can almost see the tumbleweeds blowing through their nightly stats.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions
I think they should come out of the run way
snapping their fingers and doing the dance at the start of West Side Story.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Kings
Dallas does that to Kobe and all…but not us?
Let’s expect a rotation and improvement with TIME
I mean, we can keep giving the time excuse,
But how much time will you need to be satisfied? Just curious.
We’ve seen teams like OKC move from developing team to powerhouse, while we’re just still sucking. It’s not like every one of these guys on this team just popped in from college. How much time will you give them to do basic things like move the ball around for the open shot, set pick and rolls?
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Well in defense of time...
We’re still younger than OKC and their record when they were similar in age were just as horrible.
by unfair weather on Jan 15, 2012 1:42 AM PST up reply actions
Identity
It would be nice if they at least decided to hard foul before allowing any lay ups
by zzsjolt on Jan 14, 2012 10:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
So.....who's a good fit from the upcoming draft?
Barnes or Gilchrist? Or do we go big with Davis if we get #1?
Either Barnes or Gilchrist would be good.
Gilchrist is probably a slightly better fit though.
He'd help,
but I don’t think he’s better than Gilchrist or Barnes. However, if those 2 are gone when the Kings pick, he’d be a good pick.
In fairness
Having watched the entire game, as painful as that was, I never had the sense the team had a lack of effort. They just sucked. It’s just rare to see a team sucked all at once. But really no one played well tonight and the score shows that.
by nerdninja on Jan 14, 2012 10:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's all on Smart
Bad shooting (on this scale) comes from bad shots. Bad shots come from being defended well. Defense is SUPPOSED to be broken down with the playbook. Smart’s playbook is nearly nonexistant. This is all on Smart.
by CloudyEyes on Jan 14, 2012 10:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously,
How can you put this on Smart? He just got handed this team. He has hardly had a chance to work with the guys except on the fly. Several have been injured and he got them after all the drama of Westphal. He had no say on player selection and Westphal has been the one to work with them the majority of the time.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 14, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This.
This isn’t all on Smart. He has barely had any time to work with them. He did well with the Warriors, so I’m putting this blame on the players. They are the consistent variable here.
I would say that we need players who are roleplayers. Or willing to be. And not always looking to initiate their own shots, not caring who runs up the highlight reel or whatever.
Example: Rubio tonight – 18 points, 12 assists. 12. How many did we have tonight? He looks first. Looking back now, I wish we’d got him rather than the 20-5-5 ‘Reke, having the FO put his face up everywhere and give him the keys to the city and make him think he’s already an all-star and didn’t need to improve his game.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They missed a lot of wide open shots this game, too.
They still would’ve gotten blown out, and the Mavs would have started defending the 3 point line if the Kings started making any, but especially in the second half, the Mavs just let the Kings shoot whatever they wanted from the perimeter and waited to grab the rebound. This game was just a perfect storm of offensive shittiness.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2012 6:17 AM PST up reply actions
This pillow plays some good defense.... 10 day contract?? Hes got the length of a SF
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its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Who wears a Kings jersey and rhymes with "Nothing but net??"
by fffindeed on Jan 14, 2012 11:15 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
What about me Coach?!?
#fallintomychasm…..
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its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Who wears a Kings jersey and rhymes with "Nothing but net??"
Interesting comments, but would someone please remind me WHY WE LET DALEMBERT GO?
Was it to avoid overpaying exactly the kind of player who would help us now? Was it Petrie’s peevishness and hubris in light of the “leak” that he possibly felt jeopardized his bargaining position with other more notable centers (Howard, Nene?). Or do I just not get it? Is it really just the cruel randomness of life and ultimate proof that there is no God or – if there is – he is a fat greasy bastard with one hand down his pants, the other holding a vile, half-eaten chicken wing, madly laughing at our pain?
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Hayes seemed better.
Also, other than his game against us, he hasn’t done too well.
Delambert's been awful.
And we tried to sign him and got shafted by a lower offer.
by unfair weather on Jan 15, 2012 1:43 AM PST up reply actions
Glad I missed this nonsense.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 14, 2012 11:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Me too.
Now if only i could stick my fingers in my ears and shout “lalalalalalala” until we win our next game….good thing i’m not holding my breathe
Is cowboyron a chiropractor?- Wallywagon11
its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Who wears a Kings jersey and rhymes with "Nothing but net??"
by fffindeed on Jan 14, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think win or lose, all of us just want to see higher quality basketball.
by VirginiaBlue on Jan 14, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep
Right now it’s the same old crap it’s been for 3 years.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why can't we play Cousins as the facilitator role just like last year (post-allstar break)?
Why are we NOT utilizing a big man with passing skills? Bring in Hayes into the mix, we should be able to bump our team assist totals by a lot.
The fact is, we have no PGs to run the offense. The next best thing is having both Cousins & Hayes facilitate most of the time.
Rebuilding the Kings.
It might help.
But I doubt it’d help much.
If you look at the APG where we had Cousins as the "Webber/Divac" role last year,
the team assist totals bumped up to 23 assist per game.
The Kings are not utilizing Cousins’ passing abilities. Period. Cousins isn’t even averaging a single assist per game for crying out loud!
Rebuilding the Kings.
Really?
They need to go back to that then. However, I doubt they can get to 23 APG’s w/the current team, no matter what the offensive system is.
Yep.
It’s better than hoping to get over the 10-assist mark every game haha.
Rebuilding the Kings.
by KF10 on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It will not matter.
People are watching the ball on offense instead of moving around, no matter who has the ball. Without any off the ball movement or screens it makes it hard to run sets on offense. I have seen this team play extremely well offensively (first half in Houston) but they havent been together long enough to play a fluid offense for 48 minutes straight.
I think we have had our ideal starting five for 3 games? Give it time people.
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by Wonderchild on Jan 15, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I think that was Westphal's plan heading into this season, and Smart has mentioned using DMC this way, as well.
The problem is, this has been resulting in a turnover or a missed jumper by Cousins far too often. I personally think DeMarcus is best used right now when he can get down low and shoot or pass from there, where he’s at least in position to do his thing on the glass and draw fouls. I remember more assists from DMC coming from passing to cutters close to the basket than from dishing it to guys from the high post.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2012 6:22 AM PST up reply actions
Fun Fact of the night.
Every Dallas player had a positive +/-. While every Kings player (other then Outlaw who had a 0) had a Negative +/-
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its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Who wears a Kings jersey and rhymes with "Nothing but net??"
Oh and Jason Terry Alone scored more points
then our whole bench COMBINED….
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its questions like these that make STR oh so lovely.
Who wears a Kings jersey and rhymes with "Nothing but net??"
by fffindeed on Jan 14, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow good thing I was gone and didn’t see this game :O Yikes this scares me :(
by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 14, 2012 11:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dear Mssrs Stojakovich, Bibby, Christie, Webber, Divac:
I would very much like to see you all on the floor again, if you could come out of retirement. This team and fans desperately need something good to root for. Or at the very least, coach this young people what it means to be a team, to move the ball, and to shoot. Peja, go teach Jimmer how to create space and nail the three ball Serbian layup style.
Bibby, let’s be real. You’re not getting many minutes over there, so come back and finish were you’re loved, you could start as PG, and still show up anyone who’s trying to be a PG right now.
Webber, you must be watching this from broadcasting and saying to your self “What. The. Fuck.” Come out here and show them the ropes…pretty please? I bet you can still move here or there.
And Vlade. Big guy. Just park yourself at center and do some awesome passes and rebound. Show Cousins some humility, how to flop right, and do work.
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"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 11:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
And last but probably should come first:
And Christie, teach them defense.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 14, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
And would all of you
teach this team how to pass & use off-ball movement to get good shots.
by richie88 on Jan 15, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just daydreamed I was in 2002
Thanks for the memories
by convoy on Jan 15, 2012 12:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Now,
I just daydreamed it was the 2002 WCF. Ugh.
Oh idk about that
I distinctly remembered crying during that.
Granted I was 10, but still, as someone else has sad, I am numb to the losing now. Honestly, when I saw we had 23 at half, I kinda laughed because it didn’t even surprise me
MY NAME'S AL HARRINGTON, I GET BUCKETS
I'm numb to losing,
but not this kind of loss. Also, in 2002, it felt like the championship could be won the year after that. It feels hopeless that the Kings will be good this season or next.
Oh don't worry I completely agree.
This makes me utterly hopeless
MY NAME'S AL HARRINGTON, I GET BUCKETS
by LLcoolRay on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, apologies for typos
I was falling asleep in misery as I was writing this.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 15, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
The Patience Preacher reminds everyone that nothing makes a fan feel worse than a blowout loss and advises everyone to step back and take a powder
The blowout loss dims the hopeful light of a better future. It’s still one game in the loss column even though it seems like a season’s worth. Like the blowout win the next game’s outcome will either erase or enhance your feelings.
It is always darkest before the dawn. Unfortunately, this looks like another season of pre-dawn. Be patient and the sunshine will start to filter in but only a little at a time. You have to be tough to be a Kings fan -do you have what it takes?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2012 12:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Bigger problems lie hear(perhaps), and the blowout loss is emblematic.
Organizational dysfunction. The Kings entire organization stinks right now. Bad Owners. Underperforming, seemingly directionless GM. Players that may or may not have ability, and certainly do not fit together.
....i moved to la this march....
i love the kings. always have. always will. fuck lakers til i die. but this broke my heart to read. this year was supposed to be so much more.
Worst Kings game I've ever seen.
Ever worse than the 45 point loss to Boston.
Absolutely abysmal in every way. Nothing else to say.
It's not unreasonable to expect more.
But this team will look much better in a month from now. The team has talent, and now that they have a coach, the team will improve. The sky is not falling, only cloudy. The clouds will thin this year, and next year after the Maloofs sell for a huge profit (because of the new arena and collective bargaining agreement) the sun will shine. Though now is the time to whine, chill. And next time, just get drunk like I did.
by jctar on Jan 15, 2012 3:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
sorry guy but it was to hard for me to watch the second half especially when our players were disgracing the black jerseys of 2002 , i just kept thinking of the webber , divac days with the black jerseys and watching the first half made me disgusted and angry. this team is not good enough to wear that black jerseys. I know i am not making sense but i am pist at our team efforts.
i thought fewest points in a game was the 99 bulls, with 49
that stat has just always seemed to stick with me,
maybe cuz i knew one day my shitty kings would flirt with it
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Jan 15, 2012 4:59 AM PST reply actions
I think this is talking about the franchise record, not the league record,
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I feel much better now:)
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
What an insane game.
The way the first quarter was going, I was feeling like maybe I had underestimated this team as much as everyone else has. Then, of course, things quickly started to get out of hand and I felt foolish for allowing myself to be lost in a dream. Most of the second half was then a tense blur and a constant battle against doubt. The second half of the 4th quarter was a surreal ride on a cruel rollercoaster where expectations were rapidly fulfilled and exploded in pulsing flashes. In the end, it was one of the most moving sports experiences that I can remember.
And then, I watched the Kings game and fucked it all up, went to bed depressed. Thanks a lot, jerks.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 15, 2012 6:47 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Here is what our roster consists of in its current state:
1 Point Guard – Isaiah
3 Shooting Guards – Reke (who can’t shoot), MT23, Jimmer
4 Small Forwards – Salmons, Cisco, Greene, Outlaw
4 Power Forwards – Cousins, Hayes, JT, JJ
0 Centers
In the NBA, No PG + No Center = Serious Problem
I went back and forth of where to place him
But IMO he plays better at PF with a defensive minded big alongside him. See: Games he started last year with Sammy.
Both Salmons and Cisco are naturaly Shooting Guards
They are just being forced to play Small Forward
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 15, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I´m just glad not to wake up to any reports on fistfights, drawn guns or trade demands in the locker room.
by rubenho on Jan 15, 2012 7:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You set the silver lining bar low
Rec’d for realistic expectations but red flagged to appease the h8ers.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2012 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
Listened to last night's game on the way back from L.A. last night. To say it was a long night
is the mother of all understatements. I think I agree with the idea of blowing the team up to improve. It’s becoming clear that this is the “gang that can’t shoot straight”. However, that begs the question, who do we give up in order to improve. We’re not going to get back better talent by offering an Outlaw, Greene, Garcia or Hickson by themselves. In order for us to improve we need to give up an impact player in tandem with other player(s) and/or future draft picks. I know who I would offer up (that’s called a tease). Who would you offer up?
Purveyor of Bull Plop
The Kings most valuable pieces right now and untouchable IMO are Evans, Cousins and a lottery pick.
Wait for lttg’s weekly Assisine trade thread and conjecture and project until your keyboard fails.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 15, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions
Anybody but DMC and Evans,
I´m totally OK with JT, IT, MT and Jimmer staying. But, as you pointed out, who would want Salmons and company, let alone send someone usefull in return? The only chance I see is pulling a Kahn: Kevin Love for Salmons and Garcia. The Wolves needs wing depth, right?
I don't think even Kahn is that dumb...
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So we'd be
Getting Love for free? No GM is that stupid, not even Kahn. At this point everyone has seen the plight of the Kings.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 15, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
I figured
But thought I’d put that out as such anyway. My mood has me in serious biznezz mode. :P
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 15, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you to the Niners and the Clippers
For making my sports day tolerable yesterday
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
No doubt, with Blake and Chris Paul
Wait a minute, Clippers got a PG, why weren’t the Kings in on that?
Oh, that’s right – nobody wants to come to Sac and the owners are tightwads.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
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