Tyreke is a SG, we need a PG
by rise_to_mediocrity on Jan 15, 2012 7:18 PM PST
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LOL OK
Good luck getting Tyreke to be a productive shooting guard or getting Michael Jordan to take back around 10 million in salary in exchange for a little over 3 million. I’m sure he’d practically trip over himself to make that deal!
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Um,
It’s important to note that Walker did not replace DJ Augustin in the lineup – he replaced Boris Diaw, as Paul Silas saw an opportunity to go with a smaller lineup against the Warriors. If you watched the game it was easy to see that Augustin was still primarily the point guard, while Walker played mostly out of the 2. I would find it very hard to believe that the ’Cats would be ready to jettison Augustin at this point.
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And if you really want Augustin,
wait until next year and make a whopper of an offer – he’s an RFA next year.
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It's close, but I think Gerald Henderson > Marcus Thorton
Henderson is 45% shooting to Thorton’s 42%, Thorton shoots the 3 better, but the biggest difference between the two is that Henderson plays solid D. With that being said, I think they already have a solid SG on their squad.
I personally agree that Tyreke is great at the 2 guard but ...
we were the same with Thornton out with the same issues. Just sayin.
I agree
Not with the trade though, either Marcus or Reke need to be moved imo, they’re both starting caliber 2 guards. I really like Reke but I believe we can capitalize on trading him more than Thornton, he’s too underrated. Either way we need to trade for a true pg.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 8:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I think
A trade is the only thing that will speed up this rebuilding effort. A couple trades for Reke that I’ve thought of: Reke/JJ for T Parker/Kawhi Leanord/maybe a pick, Reke for Rondo, Reke/Garcia for R Sessions/Varejao, Reke/JJ/Salmons for J Teague/J Smith probably least likely I really like Teague and thinks we can get him for the right price. They need bigs. Another way to get a pg is trading big for small but I don’t think that’s going to happen.. or just wait and sit on our hands… Geoff.. Thinking outside the box, I read an article from “hoopsworld” saying Nets are going to start listening to offers for DW because they are a horrible team and probably won’t be able to keep him. Dallas most likely destination, 3 way Kings get Bouibous/Odom, Nets Reke/JJ, Mavs get DW
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 8:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Boubois and Odom for 'Reke and Jimmer???
The hoopsworld writer who put that out should find another day job.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 15, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
My idea, Thanks.. lol
The writer just said DW is going on the block soon with Dallas being the team he would most likely sign the ext with, And I said" JJ" Hickson. Boubois is really good when given the opportunity he’s like a hybrid Rondo, imo that’s his potential. Reke is good and I really like him but he will never become the pg we want. Him and Thornton are scorers first and second but reke draws a lot of attention driving and is able to make passes out. The problem I see with Reke is that U HAVE to find players that fit with him and it seems our FO has no idea how to do that. I’m most likely just overreacting but I’m tired of seeing 1 on 5 drives to the hoop/stagnant offense
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 9:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Weird
I definitely have not seen that “Hot Rod” that would convince me to give up ’Reke and believe it or not I am an Odom fan!
I understand frustration but I hope they dont ever get desperate enough to dump a solid young player just for the sake of change.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 15, 2012 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Boubois is really good when given the opportunity he’s like a hybrid Rondo, imo that’s his potential
The guy has only played 1359 minutes in the NBA; however, that being said, he is almost 24, and has a Per 36 18.5 points(55.4%TS) – 4.2 Assists (20% Assist Rate) – 3.0 turnovers – 1.7 steals.
Rondo is only 2 years older (almost to the day). Granted in his rookie year at age 20 he played more minutes than Boubois and was a very different player from Boubois and two years ago at the exact same age was a Per 36 13.5 points (54%TS) – 9.6 Assists (43.7% Assist Rate) – 3.3 turnovers – 2.3 steals. These guys have extremely different styles of play and unless Boubois changes into a player he has never shown himself to be, he looks an awful lot like a Shooting Guard.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 15, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
i know you said hybrid Rondo
but not even sure one could say that other than the fact they have similar body builds
by wallywagon11 on Jan 15, 2012 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
maybe I was a little off
And the only thing similar is bodybuid/speed/athleticism.. he has a jumpshot and Rondo is a great passer. Every time I’ve watched him I’m impressed, even though its a small sample size I feel if he had as much freedom on the court as Reke has had since their rookie seasons he would be a good player with less potential than Reke but still exciting and promising. And Imagine the upgrade of Odom from JJ, He would make Cousins soooo much better. I’m a big Khloe fa.. I mean Odom fan.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen Odom lately or read his quotes about how he was thinking about taking the year off?
You aren’t concerned he might mail it in? And Boubois is a bit of a gunner for a point guard too, I dunno how letting him have free reign will make him more likely to run a the offense more.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 15, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
I have seen his stats and they arent normal
But he’s on a new team with not a lot of practice after a long time in LA with the same cast getting rings and contributing in a big way, I have not seen his statements though. Roddy is not a pure pg but I feel his skill set better fits our team than Reke’s. He is a better shooter, Plays at a faster pace than everyone, less ball dominant, and has been with vets and won a ring from the beginning of his carrer (not rekes fault). I am not saying Reke is horrible at all that but his game is all about getting the ball, standing their waiting for someone to give him the ball, still standing there, finally got it dribble dribble dribble off to the paint I go, 3 defenders there, I got this.. joking aside that sort of takes away from Cousins effectiveness on offense because teams pack the paint everytime he drives. He needs to develope a floater, I’m still a Reke fan but I have no faith in the FO to put pieces that compliment him around him.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 10:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
to be honest I don't think you've watched much Boubois
because the guy actually does have a history of at times of being ball dominant and over dribbling.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
I havnt watched every second of him
But I’ve watched a lot of Dallas games, I don’t know how you can just think someone you don’t know hasn’t watched a lot of a certain player. He is on a championship contending team playing behind veterans who make a minimal amount of mistakes on the court offensively/defensively. I love the speed/energy/ creativeness he plays with and think he can have a Kyle Lowry type curve to his career in a different situation. He can be ball dominant and over dribble a bit at times but he doesn’t get consistent minutes all the time. I’ve also watched every single Kings game for the past 10 yrs, we currently have a whole roster of players that can be ball dominant and overdribble at times. I like Reke but imo he is 1 of the most ball dominant players in the league, not saying that he can’t fix that but I think you need the right players around Reke to maximize his effectiveness and our FO doesn’t know how to do that.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 11:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
But I’ve watched a lot of Dallas games, I don’t know how you can just think someone you don’t know hasn’t watched a lot of a certain player
It’s because of what you wrote, nothing else. Obviously could be wrong but that is how I perceived it based on the thoughts you wrote down. Sorry, not trying to be mean about it, it’s just that it seems we are talking about different players when we are talking about Boubois.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 15, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
You aren’t concerned he might mail it in? And Boubois is a bit of a gunner for a point guard too, I dunno how letting him have free reign will make him more likely to run a the offense more.
Yeah ,the lakers might have known something was up with odom and factored that into their decision to move him? I also don’t think a young gunner is what these kids need, I’d be more inclined to find an experienced point that knows the game and who could teach them on the floor. Someone like BaronDavis circa 2007 would do wonders for their confidence and their basketball education. I don’t have any suggestions as to who it might be but maybe someone has some ideas?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Did you see my other trade ideas up there?
What do you think about some of them, The Spurs/Celtics are getting old and Both organizations can most likely make Reke better than ours. They will both have to start rebuilding in the very near future, I feel both trade ideas are fair.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 10:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Did you see my other trade ideas up there?
Yeah , I got no problem with trades that don’t involve Tyreke but if you are happy with his defense my first thought would be to keep him and try to find an experienced point to work with the young guys. I’ve only seen Evans play a few times but always thought he was a great fit for the 2 spot so I wouldn’t want to deal him without some experimentation at better ball movement first. I’d definitely want to keep Cousins and Evans together for a while longer before moving either. The point guard that could work doesn’t even have to be a top rated player, just a player who knows how to make an offense work and can get the young guys moving the right way, even an old Sam Cassell of a couple of years ago would be fine. I don’t think the team should be looking for a point who can win a championship right now but more for a guy who can teach them skills to win one later?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2012 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
His defense is coming around
It seems like he’s learning how to get through a screen.! I don’t see how we can get a solid vet pg without dealing 1 of Cousins/Reke/Thornton. So unless we just sit here waiting ANOTHER year for this Here We Rise Team to be competetive there’s nothing else to speculate about. Unless we start talking draft already.
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 11:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t see how we can get a solid vet pg without dealing 1 of Cousins/Reke/Thornton
Ok, You know more about it than I do but I think you gotta keep Cousins so which of Tyreke or Thornton would be the best to build around? I could see Cousins and Tyreke being starters on a very good team but I don’t know enough about Thornton to make that call.
and I know you don’t want to hear it but likely it is gonna take another year for the team to get where you want it to be.Luckily this is a short season with a very good draft class coming up so next season will probably look a lot better.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 15, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Roddy might be a bit of a gunner
But he is no Nick Young. Maybe the team asks him to do that, The only reason Reke isn’t a gunner is because he knows he can’t shoot and even then he still takes too many outside shots. I think the Lakers traded him because they needed that TPE to have a chance at Dwight. Who knows?
by Chent on Jan 15, 2012 10:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
SG or PG
The bottom line is they need a second guard who compliments ’Reke and DMC, I dont care who is called the one or the two now. Thornton off the bench would be a nice situation to be forced into.
We have that now
Start Isaiah he hustles, makes extraordinary passes, and can shoot. Move Tyreke to the 2 where he has been spectacular these past games except at Dallas, then bring Thorton off the bench where he can be the primary scorer and Jimmer can get the garbage left over minutes at PG or we can pik up a veteran backup PG to do this to
by stovallsamuel on Jan 15, 2012 10:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The same Isaiah?
I dont necessarily mind starting Isaiah and seeing what he brings to start the game (especially in one of Thornton’s injury nights or even in an attempt to try Thornton off the bench) as I think he is the best option between him and Jimmer. BUT to say…
Start Isaiah he hustles, makes extraordinary passes, and can shoot.
That is a bit of a stretch. Guy brings excitement and is showing promise for a rook but his assist to TO ratio is almost even right now and he shoots about 35% from the field.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 16, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for the reality check
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Both Reke and IT's assist-to-turnover ratio is right around 4:3 (4.1/2.9 4.0/3.2)
Of course the defensive presence of the two isn’t quite the same to say the least.
Nor the scoring ability...
…or rebounding.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 17, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, I've had enough ...
Can we get a weekly Asinine Tyreke is NaPG thread? We get 2.25 Fan Posts per week on this topic.
I believe I covered this already in my FanShot, entitled "We Need A Pitcher, Not A Belly-Itcher."
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by andy sims on Jan 16, 2012 9:21 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Unfortunately, the position title "shooting" guard implies
the player can shoot. A quick look at Tyreke’s stats this year show 42% shooting, 21% 3-pt and 75% ft. Not exactly overwhelming. Let’s call him a “slashing to the basket” guard, which is really what he does best.
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by SayWhat? on Jan 17, 2012 9:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sadly though
Those stats would show ’Reke as the top “shooter” of all the guards at a whopping 42%. Yikes!
I agree though 100% I am over the title of SG, PG, etc there are too many flatout guards in the league. Wade is a guard is he the PG? No but is he bringing the ball up quite often, of course. I dont care what they call Tyreke Evans I just want them to find a good backcourt mate so we can have two guards on the floor playing well together and improving the team.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 17, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
In Tyreke's case, SG= 'Scoring Guard'
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Two trades!
Jimmer & JJ for Paul Milsap.
JT for Jarrett Jack
Jarret Jack numbers are great this year and he is the veteran PG Kings can use to run the team. Start:
Starting lineup
Jack
Tyreke
Salmons
Cousins
Millsap
Try to sign Wilson Chandler and wave Salmons….That will take care of the SF…..If not try trading Salmons straight for Trevor Ariza
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