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Advanced Stats: Sacramento's Wings Are Barely Functional

Yesterday we took a look at our guards' advanced statistics, and today it is the wings turn. Sacramento has received very little quality production from its wings so far this season, and as you probably guessed, the stats are going to back it up. A lot of the Kings struggles on offense can be attached to the lack of production from the wing position. That is because a major part of the Kings offensive gameplan is to draw attention in the middle and then kick it out to a wing for an open shot. The unfortunate part of this for Sacramento is that every single one of their wings is in a shooting slump right now. Spot-Up shots are usually high percentage shots (since they're mostly wide open), but the Kings are shooting a league worst 29.5% in those situations. Nearly 40% of those spot-up opportunities have gone to the four wings listed in this post.

If you have a heart condition, do not read the rest of this post. It's for your own good.

Star-divide

I will be using several sources for my analysis. First, I'll be using the Advanced Statistics found on Basketball-Reference (PER, TS%, AST%, etc.). I will also be using Synergy Sports Technology's data to give a more in-depth look at how our players perform each possession, both offensively and defensively. Synergy Sports uses PPP (Points Per Possession) to track individual players. They track individual play types on both ends of the court and I will be provding samples of each players major play types. Finally, I'll be using HoopData's shot location statistics to see how our players shoot from certain locations.

The following statistics were compiled as of January 17th, 2012. If you would like some explanations of the following statistics, Basketball-Reference has explanations here.

John Salmons

PER: 7.8

TS%: .412

ORB%: 2.0

DRB%: 12.2

AST%: 10.9

STL%: 2.0

BLK%: 0.4

TOV%: 10.9

USG%: 15.5

Overall Offensive PPP: 0.73

  • Spot-Up (28.8%): 0.71
  • Isolation (26.7%): 0.69
  • Transition (11.6%): 0.88
  • P&R Ball Handler (11%): 1.13

Shot Locations

  • At Rim: 1.0 FGM / 1.1 FGA (93.3%)
  • 3-9 Feet: 0.1 FGM / 0.9 FGA (7.7%)
  • 10-15 Feet: 0.6 FGM / 1.4 FGA (45.0%)
  • 16-23 Feet: 0.9 FGM / 2.3 FGA (38.0%)
  • Threes: 0.6 FGM / 3.1 FGA (18.2%)
  • Free Throw Rate (FTA/FGA): 0.13

Overall Defensive PPP: 1.06

  • Spot-Up (39.4%): 1.24
  • Isolation (18.3%): 0.95
  • P&R Ball Handler (14.4%): 0.67
  • Post-Up (13.5%): 1.14
  • Off Screen (10.6%): 1.00

Analysis:

You don't need these statistics to tell you that John Salmons is playing the worst basketball of his career. Almost all of his numbers are career lows, and his shooting has been especially atrocious. Offensively he's been inefficient almost everywhere, although he's done alright in limited opportunities as the P&R Ball Handler. Most of John's shots however come from spotting up, a trend you'll notice in this post. John stands out among the other wings for how many of his possessions involve Isolations, and he scores at a low rate from them. John also isn't drawing fouls at near the rate that he's used to for his career, with his Free Throw rate more than halved.

Defensively, he's also been terrible (another trend with our wings), allowing over a point a possession. The Spot-Up number is huge, and he's also struggling guarding players in Isolation situations and when being posted up. There is some issue with John's size (he's more of a two guard and is asked to guard bigger and stronger threes) as well as with the Kings' very poor team defense.

For the current Kings offense to work, they need to get some production from their wings, and John Salmons gets the majority of the wing minutes. So far, Salmons has been a net negative.

Francisco Garcia

PER: 10.2

TS%: .465

ORB%: 0.6

DRB%: 11.7

AST%: 7.6

STL%: 2.0

BLK%: 2.3

TOV%: 6.4

USG%: 13.1

Overall Offensive PPP: 0.87

  • Spot-Up (52.2%): 0.71
  • Transition (17.4%): 1.00
  • Hand Off (10.9%): 0.8

Shot Locations

  • At Rim: 0.5 FGM / 0.5 FGA (100%)
  • 3-9 Feet: 0.1 FGM / 0.1 FGA (100%)
  • 10-15 Feet: 0.0 FGM / 0.2 FGA (0%)
  • 16-23 Feet: 0.3 FGM / 0.9 FGA (33.0%)
  • Threes: 0.6 FGM / 2.4 FGA (25.0%)
  • Free Throw Rate (FTA/FGA): 0.17

Overall Defensive PPP: 1.25

  • Spot-Up (32.5%): 1.92
  • P&R Ball Handler (20%): 0.88
  • Isolation (15%): 1.17
  • Off Screen (12.5%): 1.2

Analysis:

Cisco is also in a shooting slump. He gets most of his opportunities in Spot-Up situations, and he hasn't been converting. He's only 5 for 20 from three in those situations, and 6 for 24 from three overall, not good for someone who is supposed to be a knockdown shooter.

Cisco is a phenomenal weakside shot blocker for someone his size, but that's about the only thing he is doing well on defense this year. Small Sample Size hurts Cisco here, as opponents have made 9 of 11 spot-up shots against Cisco, which results in almost 2 PPP against in those situations. Still, Cisco isn't showing good defensive PPP in almost any category. Like John, he struggles guarding bigger SFs since he's more of a two guard.

Donté Greene

PER: 10.8

TS%: .466

ORB%: 3.1

DRB%: 22.0

AST%: 2.8

STL%: 0.8

BLK%: 2.2

TOV%: 9.0

USG%: 18.5

Overall Offensive PPP: 0.84

  • Spot-Up (42.9%): 0.96
  • Transition (17.9%): 1.1
  • Isolation (8.9%): 0.8

Shot Locations

  • At Rim: 0.7 FGM / 1.1 FGA (66.7%)
  • 3-9 Feet: 0.2 FGM / 0.4 FGA (50%)
  • 10-15 Feet: 0.2 FGM / 0.3 FGA (66.7%)
  • 16-23 Feet: 0.1 FGM / 0.5 FGA (20.0%)
  • Threes: 0.5 FGM / 2.0 FGA (22.7%)
  • Free Throw Rate (FTA/FGA): 0.22

Overall Defensive PPP: 1.16

  • Post-Up (31.8%): 1.21
  • Isolation (22.7%): 1.4
  • P&R Roll Man (18.2%): 0.75
  • Spot-Up (13.6%): 1.33

Analysis:

Donté has steadily upped his playing time this year, from nearly none in Paul Westphal's time, to a rotation player under Keith Smart. He's still struggling with his outside shot, but he's been very good from 15 feet in. One thing Donté has really improved on is his defensive rebounding, almost doubling the rate at which he grabs them. Obviously this jump is Small Sample Size Institute approved, but just from watching the games it does seem like he is making a concerted effort on the glass.

Defensively his numbers aren't as good as you would expect, and like with Cisco and Salmons, I believe it is because of mismatches due to size and strength. Donté has played a lot of minutes at the 4 this year, and while he's tall and long enough to play the position, he's not strong enough. Most of his defensive possessions are post-ups, and he allows a big number here. He's also not done well in Isolation situations, although it should be noted that he is routinely brought in to guard some of the best SFs in the game, which can skew those numbers a bit.

Travis Outlaw

PER: 4.1

TS%: .309

ORB%: 3.6

DRB%: 10.8

AST%: 2.4

STL%: 1.5

BLK%: 2.6

TOV%: 7.2

USG%: 17.5

Overall Offensive PPP: 0.58

  • Spot-Up (49.1%): 0.59
  • Isolation (18.2%): 1

Shot Locations

  • At Rim: 0.2 FGM / 0.5 FGA (40%)
  • 3-9 Feet: 0.4 FGM / 0.5 FGA (66.7%)
  • 10-15 Feet: 0.0 FGM / 0.4 FGA (0%)
  • 16-23 Feet: 0.3 FGM / 1.2 FGA (23.0%)
  • Threes: 0.2 FGM / 1.5 FGA (11.8%)
  • Free Throw Rate (FTA/FGA): 0.28

Overall Defensive PPP: 0.89

  • Spot-Up (36.8%): 0.71
  • Post-Up (18.4%): 1.29
  • Isolation (18.4%): 0.57
  • Off Screen (13.2%): 1.8

Analysis:

There is not a word in the English Dictionary to properly describe just how awful Travis Outlaw has been offensively. He's shooting 23.9% overall from the field, and less than half that from three point range. Almost half of his shots have come in Spot-Up opportunities and he's converting them at a really low rate. Those are essentially wide open shots he's missing. He is coming off of a broken hand injury, so that could have something to do with it, but he also shot very poorly in New Jersey all last year.

Defensively, he's statistically been our best defensive wing, mainly because the guys he's guarded in Spot-Up opportunities have missed their shots more often than the other wings. Part of that is luck, although Outlaw does have great length and athleticism, which allows him to recover and contest more quickly. He's been worse on Post-Ups, where like Greene, he doesn't have the strength to really guard fours, even though he's asked to sometimes.

Coming Tomorrow: The Bigs

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"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 18, 2012 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

aaand to quote ziller:
barf barf barf barf barf

"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 18, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish AK47

signed here instead of staying in Russia.

formerly what_the_crap

by Dub_TC on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Summary of story: Our wings don't work

that’s why we crash and burn.

This.

by elfboy_ on Jan 18, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Summary of story

Lets use JT at 3!

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by Widowwolf on Jan 18, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

kill me now

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by lietothegirls on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

We're stalling.

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Westbrook is a guard. Thought we were talking about wings here.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm sure OKC is interested in blowing up their team.

They’re off to a horrible start. Not sure Westbrook helps us anyway. We need a pure PG, shift Reke to 2 or 3, dump Salmons and start Greene, start JT until Hayes gets back and see what happens.

Maloofs should be forced to sell, fire Petrie, get the new arena approved and then we’re back baby!

Sigh.

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by PhutureKings on Jan 18, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

For starters, I agree with you OKC wouldn't be interested in blowing up their team and trading Westbrook for Reke

But I have to disagree with your assertion that an All-NBA player like Westbrook wouldn’t help us. I’d trade Reke for Westbrook in a heartbeat if he was available (which he’s not).

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by Aykis16 on Jan 18, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Who decided to get Outlaw?
Spin: The reserves saw some extra minutes in a blowout loss to the Grizzlies. It was surprising to see Outlaw get the most backup small forward minutes after Donte Greene received the most last game. At this point, none of the Kings’ small forwards can be relied on from a fantasy perspective.

ESPN Fantasy Projection: You can’t shoot 37.5 percent over the course of an 82-game season and retain a starting role in the NBA or in Fantasyland. While he carried sleeper potential several years ago, at this point it appears that Outlaw is simply a role player who won’t see enough regular touches to make any fantasy impact.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:21 AM PST reply actions  

Glad I didn't get him on my fantasy team

Too early to judge in real life tho (broken hand), unless there is another backup SF who will play for 3 mil a year.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 18, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Are we limited to 3 mil?

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

3 mil probably exceeded the Maloof's budget for a back up SF

I have a bigger problem with Salmons making 8+ to be the worst starting SF in the NBA.

I would hope Outlaw can live up to a contract of 3 mil per year and play a solid 10-15 min a game. I’d be happy with 6-8 ppg on a high % and mix in solid D with a few rebounds.

I think if we could have dumped Salmons and signed AK, then everything would look better. AK is the sure starter, then we have a combination of below average backup SF’s.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 18, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Not to be a cynic, but

Just about anyone who can play good basketball exceeded the Maloof’s budget. I suppose, I can understand a little bit where they may have been coming from picking up Salmons. We trade him to the Bucks, I don’t recall the circumstances. I think it was a salary dump. That should have been the end of it. Then he plays like a superstar in their playoffs, which must have killed Petrie & Co. to watch him. Of course, the grass is always greener. Suddenly, there was seller’s remorse and the organization was coveting him. So the first opportunity they bring him back.

Warning: Boyfriend-girlfriend metaphor coming:

I don’t know about you, but if a guy dumped me (in your case a girl), then later he decided he wanted me back when he saw me looking hot with another guy, I don’t think I would be too hot-to-trot with him in bed, if you catch my drift.

I think you are probably right, AK might have made more sense, if had any interest.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

We traded Salmons to the Bulls in the Brad Miller deal

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by Wonderchild on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That's right. Totally forgot about that

That’s when we got Noc and Gooden (for a minute)

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow.

My imaginary reading voice went from Jason Segel to Alyson Hannigan.

That said, I agree with you.

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by DTG13 on Jan 18, 2012 1:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

ugh....

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by CowbellKings on Jan 18, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

You should check Stewie's diaper,

because THAT’S what our team’s playbook looks like.

This.

by elfboy_ on Jan 18, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

he'd miss the ocean

peeing off the side of a boat

"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 18, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Agh! *Put's fingers in cross shape in front of me...*

Unclean! Unclean! Can’t unsee these stats!

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by HarveySpecter on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 AM PST reply actions  

Thus far

after reading Aykis’ reports on our guards and wings, I wonder how we ever won 4 games. And taking his advise, I made sure my nitroglycerin tablets were handy prior to reading the article.

by Bill2 on Jan 18, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Disgusting.

I hope Donte continues to get more minutes though.. And I have a feeling Outlaw will pick it up. Considering it can’t possibly get any worse.

by CoolFinity on Jan 18, 2012 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

Waiting for news of new starting line-up...

Danny Granger tonight. Donte over Salmons.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Jan 18, 2012 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting Tweet from the Kings handle

SacramentoKings Sacramento Kings
Tune-in tonight at 7PM on CSNCA & @1140thefan as Greene, Kings battle Granger, Pacers! Buy Tix: bit.ly/zV7zHu #KingsAllDay

Is there a reason they are mentioning Greene I am missing or could this be their way of foreshadowing he is getting his first start?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Kind of sounds like it.

Looks like they read TZ’s post and are selecting option #1

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice, I think.

Don’t tease me, SK Twitter.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Jan 18, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Smart commented at practice that he may have spoke too soon about lineup changes

They do have a promo of the game on Kings.com showing Donte and Granger, but I doubt that it has anything to do with Smarts decision to change the lineup. I think it was already planned.

Smart did say that he would consider changes prior to the game when asked if he planned to make any changes.

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

if you go back through their old tweets

that’s their pretty standard tweet, they pick a random player to go in there. Last two were Fredette and Hickson. Too lazy to look backwards any further, but it’s not always a starter listed.

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by rpmonkey on Jan 18, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

7.8? I didn't know Salmons PER was that high.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Recapping

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by section214 on Jan 18, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Are you going to the game tonight?

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by lietothegirls on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

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by elfboy_ on Jan 18, 2012 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically this write-up tells me that all of our wings are playing out of position.

Donte/Outlaw are playing too much PF, when they should be playing SF. And, Salmons/Garcia are playing too much SF when they should be playing mostly SG.

Hopefully when Chuck comes back, Donte can take over minutes at SF, and Salmons/Garcia can play some SG.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Not really sure Donte deserves to be counted in this catagory

According to 82games.com, Donte has played 12% of the teams minutes and only 2% of those were at the SF. The other 10% were divided 9% at PF and 1% at Center.

Now the site hasn’t been update lately and doesn’t include the last 3 games. But, Donte has been almost exclusively playing the PF in those games too. So, once it’s updated I don’t expect the SF percentage to change much if at all.

He’s still shooting the same general type of shoots, but his rebounding is coming from being more around the basket and less outside the 3pt arc. And, as Aykis pointed out

Donté has played a lot of minutes at the 4 this year, and while he’s tall and long enough to play the position, he’s not strong enough.

Donte’s defensive numbers haven’t all come from defending SF’s either. But, Smart seems to be more willing to give him time while Chuck is out, so maybe he’ll give him more minutes at the 3 also. But, until he does, I’m sure sure that he’ll fair any better then Salmons or Garcia.

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

Kind of irrelevant, High Tops.

Lots of Donte minutes have been with games decided, with random lineups and arbitrary defensive assignment. I am not really interested in statistical analysis of players who have garnered scrap minutes. Lets give Donte that same kind of run Salmons has received for next 10 games, then compare the results.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

But, my point is that Smart isn't using him at the 3 and there's no indication that he will

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

If Coach Smart want his 3 to handle the ball and make plays, I understand why Smart would not want Donte as a 3. But it would be easy to adjust the play calling when Donte is on the floor to limit his role in the offense to weak side shooter, cutter, finisher in paint. Defensively at the 3, he can hang as well as anyone else on our roster.

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by bench_blob on Jan 18, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Genius! play calling to support our team strengths!

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by sac_faithful on Jan 18, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

/miss Adelman

"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he belongs on this list because he should play the SF

Once Hayes is back, he should get minutes at the 3 spot.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 18, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

(sigh)

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by lietothegirls on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

Now I'm soooo excited to be going to the game tonight

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by lietothegirls on Jan 18, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's a solution that the SSSI would be sure to approve

Start Cisco, but make sure he stays within 10ft of the basket on offense!

by markdog333 on Jan 18, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions  

At Work, So I can't Post the Appropriate Gif...But "Do Not Panic, Ze Wings are Not on Fire".

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by HarveySpecter on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 PM PST reply actions  

I predict DG will have a break out year!

I will have to say that I think Donte can be an incredibly important piece to this team if it can ever function as such. From what I have read around here, it seems as though not many would agree. Am I the only one that sees how great he can be? I have not researched his days at sryacuse, but seems to me he has the potential to be an all star in this league. I am excited to see what he does with the opportunity to impress his new coach. I think Smart has confidence in his game which should help him boost his own. Salmons pathetic performances could be the best thing that ever happened to Donte.

by hesabasketballplayer on Jan 18, 2012 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

Good luck with that.

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 18, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I could actually see that

Donte making a Dorell Wright type leap with Smart’s offense

by markdog333 on Jan 18, 2012 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Donte ever develops Wrights touch from 3pt range

But, I’m extremely interested to see what Coach English does with his game around the paint.

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

This could be a long year in a short season. Dontés numbers are only marginally better than our other wings

and at least to this point the last thing they indicate is break out year. The only reason that Donté is getting any burn at all is that there is no one behind him on the bench. Smart has the choice of mediocre, mediocre, sluggish and incredibly inept. Pick your poison! On a good team none of these guys would be seeing the floor except perhaps during garbage time in a big win or a big loss.

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by Bluejohn on Jan 18, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

75% of Donte's minutes are coming at the 4 so he's taking minutes from JJ and JT

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He's having Faith and Hope

Faith that an early entry into the draft, might just be starting to develop at the ripe old age of 23. Kind of like JT just starting to develop at age 25, after 3 more years in college than Donte.

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by HighTops on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

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Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 18, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

WINNING!!!

"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 18, 2012 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Donte shows flashes of becoming an allstar

but he’s done it enough times to accept it will never happen. I’m just hoping he becomes a solid defender that can get a few points. Maybe like a young, athletic Bruce Bowen type of player or a crappy Gerald Wallace or AK-47 in a lesser way.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 18, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

When he dropped 40 in his first summer league game!

Who among us didn’t think “Hey, maybe he will be an all-star” ??

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jan 18, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

College means nothing

That’s Cisco blocking Dwyane Wade

by polotown on Jan 18, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Excremental?

"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."

by Wonderchild on Jan 18, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Excremnto Kings

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Jan 18, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Maloofian

Author of NBA Mashups. Follow me on Twitter here.

by Aykis16 on Jan 18, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"

by lodisacfan on Jan 18, 2012 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

SG

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Jan 18, 2012 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

NaSF

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Jan 18, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Bright Side...

Even if the Kings were playing well they might still be 4-9 with how tough their schedule has been; if they figure it out in time for the easier stretch later on they could string a lot of wins together.

Big “if” though.

by Sacramental on Jan 18, 2012 2:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe Tyreke can move to SF for a while tonight

I swear I read something, before lunch, about Thomas starting tonights game. Now I can’t find where I read it. Maybe it was all a dream.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 18, 2012 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

Sacramento's wing players

Pros: Not one of them has literally crapped himself on the court this season
Cons: Everything else

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 18, 2012 2:32 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

Hydra of mediocrity

wistful sigh
Those were the days…

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Jan 18, 2012 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

That didn't work like I wanted...

damn you strikethrough. The wistful sigh was legit. I miss the hydra of mediocrity at this point. Damn you Malindas. Damn you Westphal, Petrie, and Grant Napear. Grrrrraaaaaaahhhh….!!!!

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Jan 18, 2012 4:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Free Donte!!!

Cause atleast he’s fun to watch

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Jan 18, 2012 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

We don't even have pieces

To trade to get better at the three. If you figure the untouchable parts of the roster are Tyreke, Demarcus, Marcus, Jimmer, and Hayes. That doesn’t leave anything to get Marvin Williams or Paul Pierce or Rudy Gay or whomever. Especially when you consider that we may not be able to take on salary. It’s really depressing.

by Lotusprime on Jan 18, 2012 4:57 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

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