Kings On Pace To Be Historically Bad Shooting Team
by Aykis16 on Jan 19, 2012 3:00 PM PST
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As Jerry Reynolds likes to say, the goal of a basketball game is to put the ball in the basket. If you can't do that, you're not going to win many games. The Kings have been atrocious at putting the ball in the basket, shooting just 39.0% from the field and 25.8% from three point range through the first 15 games of the season. Those are terrible numbers, but just how terrible are they?
Well since the advent of the three-point line in the 1979-80 season, no team has shot below 40% from the floor for the season or 26% from three. The Kings are currently beneath both marks (H/T Alex Kramers). The lockout definitely has been a factor, as you can see by the fact that of the four teams just ahead of the Kings, three of them (the Bulls, Hawks and Nets) were from the shortened 1998-99 season, and the other (the Wizards) is from this year.
UPDATE: I had originally put that the Kings were on pace to be the worst shooting three point team at all time as well. I was mistaken. The Kings, while bad from three, are not nearly the worst, as many teams struggled to adapt to the line in its first 10 years. This year's Lakers are actually worse from three than the Kings at 25%, but both those teams are shooting worse from 3 than any team has since the 1990-91 season.
On an individual basis, Jason Thompson is the only Kings player shooting well, currently at 56.3%. The next highest is DeMarcus Cousins at 42.3%. Six Kings are shooting below 40% and one under 30%. From three, Marcus Thornton is shooting a team high 34.2% (a career low) and Isaiah Thomas is the next highest at 28.1%.
Considering these numbers, it's kind of amazing to think that the Kings have managed to win 5 games. They've done so by getting to the line (3rd most FTA in the league) and rebounding their own misses (1st in the league).
Just based on historical numbers for most of these players, I don't think this shooting slump can continue to sustain itself over the course of the remaining 51 games. But if it does, every game will be a battle merely to stay competitive.
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Should we have a dance thread for being record setters?
by Carl on Jan 19, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
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by section214 on Jan 19, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If they are close to the record in the last game
I say constant cherry picking in the last game and only shoot open layups, everything else I would throw out of bounds for a turnover.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 19, 2012 3:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
So we can set a record for most turnovers?
At least we will be the best at something.
by SharkKings49 on Jan 19, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Should come naturally
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Woohoo go kings! Record setters baby!!!
by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 19, 2012 3:31 PM PST reply actions
As mind-boggling as these numbers are
This gives me more hope for the season than it takes away. I have to believe that they are at least 4-5 percentage points off their “true” shooting percentage, and that alone would cut our current point differential in half (roughly).
5-10 W-L with the current shooting percentage might equate to 7-8 with everyone at their career shooting averages. Now sprinkle in some improved defense and emerging young stars, and we are looking like that borderline 8th seed again.
Not saying it will happen this year, just saying that we aren’t as far away as we sometimes feel given the recent nastiness.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
by RJinFairOaks on Jan 19, 2012 3:35 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It will improve
Kings wont shoot this historically bad all season. It will be low but it will trend.
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Yesterday's ball movement actually really rose my confidence.
This shooting slump can’t possibly continue, and as long as the foundations of our offense (aka passing, spacing, game plan) are strong, the shots will eventually fall.
THE FOUNDATIONS OF OUR ECONOMY ARE STRONG
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 19, 2012 3:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Jimmers Shot
It looks to me that Jimmer is shooting the ball when he is on his way back down on his jump shot. I am not sure how Jimmer’s jumper has traditionally been but I was always under the assumption that you are supposed to be releasing the ball at the apex of your jumper. I never watched Jimmer before he came to the Kings so I am not sure if he always shot this way. Is anybody else seeing this?
I hadn't noticed
his elbow has been out a little but that should male the shot go left or right and he isn’t having that problem. Shooting at the apex is by far the best, but if you can’t do that, shooting on the way up is the second best choice, on the way down makes it nearly impossible to make a shot.
You have got me curious I will look next game.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I have noticed that
Especially off the dribble, he seems to hang in the air a bit and release as he’s coming down instead of at the height of his jump.
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Just to add to the party
Travis Outlaw is on pace to break Nick Anderson’s record for worst FG% in the Sac-era (minimum 100 minutes played), and has a shot (no pun intented) at catching Chris Webber for the 3PT% title. Good times.
MY GOODNESS
Outlaw is terrible…just terrible and HE KEEPS SHOOTING! UGH!
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by mdotbrown on Jan 19, 2012 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jimmers shot
Jimmer is a lethal shooter with near unlimited range, that said the most important thing for a shooter is confidence and repitition and Jimmer has lost his confidence and isn’t getting enough reps to develop any rhythm. The Kings are in a tough spot. He needs significant minutes and shots but his play and the play of others doesn’t warrant that he gets it. Tough situation since the Kings are loaded with guards. I think he’ll be traded, I don’t know when but the Kings are the wrong team for Jimmer.
I would be shocked if JF is traded without completing
2 seasons with the Kings (or hitting 3 3s in a row, whichever comes first).
Also, no team in the league will give JF many minutes right now because he is playing like crap.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 19, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm -
Adam’s shot
Adam is a lethal shooter with near unlimited range, that said the most important thing for a shooter is confidence and repitition and Adam has lost his confidence and isn’t getting enough reps to develop any rhythm. The Bobcats are in a tough spot. He needs significant minutes and shots but his play and the play of others doesn’t warrant that he gets it. Tough situation since the Bobcats are loaded with guards. I think he’ll be traded, I don’t know when but the Bobcats are the wrong team for Adam.
Hey, it works!
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by section214 on Jan 19, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Tweaked
Adam is a lethal shooter with near unlimited range, that said the most important thing for a shooter is confidence and repitition and Adam has lost his confidence and isn’t getting enough reps to develop any rhythm. The NBA is in a tough spot. He needs significant minutes and shots but his play and the play of others doesn’t warrant that he gets it. Tough situation since the NBA is loaded with guards. I think he’ll
be tradedgo overseas, I don’t know when but the NBA is the wrong league for Adam.
Pretty sure that wave of people storming your front door right now are very real and very, very angry.
I highly recommend exiting the building and felling the country post-haste. The Brighams are coming.
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its ok , they're young
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 19, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are a riot
But I’m still betting Jimmer ends up making believers out of you. It will be fun to see so many people eating crow. But then again it looks like everyone was right about Rubio being a bust. :)
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I don't think most of the regulars are hating on Jimmer.
Realistically we have just passed on month of games – which is normally the end of the pre-season.
He’ll be fine. But there’s so many extreme feelings on both sides of Jimmer-Gate, it’s fun to joke around with.
I don't think that it's a matter of thinking that Jimmer will be a bust (at least not for me)
It’s a matter of thinking that he is somehow owed something or that his game is being victimized by his teammates.
Jimmer is getting up 8 shots in 22 minutes a night, with almost half of those being from 3 point range. The result is 7.1ppg and a PER of 7.6
Paul George plays 10 more minutes a night, yet his shots per game are similar (8.5 and 3.4, respectively). He is averaging11.2ppg (or about 60% better than Jimmer) with a PER of 14.2.
Mario Chalmers is playing 29 minutes a night, and is hoisting up the same number of shots as Jimmer per game, though a higher number of 3’s (about 4.5). Chalmers is averaging 12ppg with a PER of 17.8.
Now, can the argument be made that George and Chalmers benefit from having better players around them? Absolutely. But the fact remains that these guys get limited opportunities, and they make the most of them.
I just don’t get why Thornton’s problems are Thornton’s problems, Evans’ problems are Evans’ problems, but Jimmer’s problems are everyone else’s problems. And I sure don’t understand why the Kings need to think about trading him, or what they could possibly obtain for him.
I’m rooting for the Kings and hope that Jimmer can be a part of it, not the other way around.
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by section214 on Jan 19, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
It's simple
Banker don’t give a shit about the Kings and only cares about caressing his Jimmer and will use any and all excuses to bitch and moan about anything and everything when he doesn’t get his way.
The end.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 19, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Pictured: Properly Caressing One's Jimmer
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 19, 2012 7:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe he is missing because he is awfully wrong with how he holds his left hand
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 19, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Oh I got it
but I’m all about being professional
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Courtesy of Left 4 Dead 2... The Jimmer Jockey.
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"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 19, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sometimes I think the last two years spoiled us in this regard.
Demarcus and Tyreke were two rookies whose play demanded that the team focus some of the offense on them. This is not, and should not be the case with all rookies. Traditionally rookies kinda suck, have to pay their dues, and slowly get better. This is natural progress. In a way, Jimmer is right where he should be because he is a rookie who did not have a training camp or summer league or a pre-seaon for that matter. He is figuring it out and that is no person’s fault.
I have full confidence that he will put it all together offensively. Defensively? Not quite as confident.
Rec’d.
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by Jim Les on Jan 19, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I think that he can still be JJ Redick, and that’s not bad. Redick really started to hit his stride in his 4th year, at the age of 25.
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If only his game was remotely close to reddick's
Reddick is a catch and shoot spot up jump shooter. Jimmer thinks he is a playmaker….gonna be interesting how it shakes out. Only thing they have in common is race and the fact that they had great college careers.
Comparing their college numbers
Redick got 34% of his points 27ppg from 2 point land his senior year, 43% from 3 and 23% from the line. Jimmer got 42% of his 29ppg from 2, 35% from 3 and 24% from the line. So it appears that Redick scored from beyond the arc more, Fredette inside the arc more, and both got to the line about the same. Both were shoot first, shoot second, shoot third, pass fourth players, as it was to the benefit of their respective teams.
Redick really didn’t become a 3-point specialist until he had to adapt his game for the pros. It will be interesting to see if Fredette has the ability to get to the rim in the NBA or ever become a capable “point guard”, or whether he, like Redick, will have to adapt his game. My bet is on the latter – Fredette’s ticket is to become a dangerous stop and pop shooter, in my opinion.
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Jimmer did have better advanced passing numers than Redick
Don’t know exactly what will translate, but Jimmer appeared to fall about halfway between Redick & Curry in terms of college PG skills.
I don't think Jimmer thinks that he is a playmaker
I think he is just so focused to prove he is not a chucker that he is forcing himself to do things he’s not comfortable with
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
It´s also the third year in a row
when we throw a rookie into the laegue and expect him (at least prior to the season) to make a huge impact immediately. That´s usually not what rookies do, and it´s not Jimmers fault that this team is bad enough to expect said rookie to be a savior.
On the other hand, most of the Jimmerians have realized by now that the guy needs a little more time. I´m still not worried about him, maybe because I never expected all that much from him. As others have mentioned, he´s a professional now and he will be measured by the same standards as everyone else. Obviously the team doesn´t offer a huge amount of help on the court, but Fredette´s the one who needs to figure out how to make an open shot. I´m sure he will, but as long as IT is playing better, IT should get more minutes.
Agree completely
Don’t whst his problem id, but it is not other players.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 19, 2012 7:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
well that's just plain offensive!
I still remember me being the lone idiot moron in a conversation with a group of friends about how Morrison was sucking as for the Bobcats during his first season (was living in Spokane at the time).
by wallywagon11 on Jan 19, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
I want to see Jimmer shoot more corner 3's.
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 19, 2012 5:24 PM PST reply actions
I want to see Jimmer make more corner threes!
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 19, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I want to see Jimmer spell three
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
You think it's a distance thing? Jimmer? Really??
I’m not sure why he’s shooting like crap, I think it’ more of stylistic thing that he has to adjust to. He was used to having the ball in his hands, or having plays called for him, now he’s been relegated a lot more to a catch and shoot which is a much different role for him. However, he’s still missing a lot of his “Jimmer” shots. He obviously not chucking the 25-30 foot shots in the NBA, but the ‘corner’ three isn’t the issue here, it’s a confidence/adjustment thing for Jimmer. He started out slow at BYU his freshman year and gradually got better. He’s a hard worker, I have confidence he’ll adapt his game to find a proper role in the NBA where he’ll be successful.
I agree completely with this
Sure the length/speed of the defenders will take some time to adjust to…but I believe it is mainly a confidence thing. He’ll adjust and when he does I believe we will all enjoy what happens
If you want to see some good shooting for an evening
Kevin Martin is having one of his patented nights so far, 8-9, 21 points in the first half so far.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
I miss that guy.
Still upset about that trade.
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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Oh come on
That traded netted us Carl Landry cap space Marcus Thornton…
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You say that, but you still cuddle at night with your #23 jersey.
Don’t play big with me section, I know who you are deep inside.
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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
True
same amount of points for just 5 more shots. Its good though that MT is a better handler and passer than K-Mart
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Who can go grab the extra 5 shots
circle of life
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Jimmer
I’ll try to keep this very brief.
Jimmer will shoot better when the team is shooting better. Reggie Miller could have been a great shooter on any team he played for…any.
Mark Price needed threats like Brad Daugherty, Craig Ehlo and Larry Nance on the floor to showcase his shooting prowess. Mark Price was a very good NBA player.
Jimmer is not Reggie. We knew this.
Always put your right shoe on first, because if you put your left shoe on first then your right shoe will be left...and you will have two left shoes.
But if ever start making baskets . . . watch out!
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
You figured that out all by yourself, wow, that’s impressive. You’re right I care far more about Jimmer than the Kings but stand by my statement. I didn’t say he was playing well and I didn’t say he deserves more minutes. What I did say that to improve he needs reps, confidence, and playing time and that’s a tough fit right now. It’s your problem if you’re a life long suffering Kings fan. They stink and always will.
U mad?
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Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 19, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The reply button is to you
what the bottom of the net is to Jimmer.
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by section214 on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
So this is what a Sasha Vujacic fan would sound like
by wallywagon11 on Jan 19, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
if he had a fan
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
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by Bluejohn on Jan 19, 2012 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
so...
Glens Falls, Schenectady, Saratoga Springs, or Troy?
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
by RJinFairOaks on Jan 19, 2012 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
Banker--
This may be cold harsh reality hitting you in the face here. At this point Jimmer’s problem is not lack of shots. It’s that he hasn’t proven himself to make them at the NBA level.
I really have high hopes for the guy.
But Jimmer’s shooting numbers are inferior to most players on the Kings. And his college senior year shooting numbers are inferior to the junior year of our previous college sharpshooter, Quincy Douby.
Quincy didn’t pan out in the NBA, for us or Toronto. Hopefully Jimmer proves he can.
But he has proven nothing yet, and that is not fault of anybody else but him.
by unfair weather on Jan 20, 2012 2:52 AM PST up reply actions
Playing the Quincy Douby card is hitting below the belt,
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I think I have found the problem
Hey team, time for shooting practice.
by Bill2 on Jan 19, 2012 8:43 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just for chuckles, sidebar post:
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
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