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Laziest Fanpost About Cousins

Back in June of 2010, BearKing (miss the bastard by the way) wrote a fanpost titled A Beautiful Mind. In the fanpost he talked about seeing some Barkely swagger in DMC and made the point that, "[I]nstead of looking at DeMarcus' qualities as a crutch that will be his end, why not see it as the FIRE that keeps his motor running and motivates him to become one of the elites?"

Anywho, for whatever reason the fanpost made me think enough to write entirely too much on my views on DMC who if everyone remembers I was a little nervous about. Basically, I am too lazy to write something new on DMC but I still feel the same way I did back then so I am just going to throw down a few of the comments below, although a little altered to make a little more sense in this context (okay one part I left out because dumb).

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I'm sitting here thinking about 3 of the players you mentioned: Webber, Barkeley, Coleman, and Rasheed Wallace. Although I personally think they all had more talent than Cousins when they were younger (maybe not Coleman though), nevertheless, his “Swagger” or whatever is pretty similar to those players. They all had an impact in the league and had a Hall of Fame career.

Here’s the problem though.

Webber went to Golden State in a draft day trade. He had a great rookie season but got into a huge fight with the coach and ended up traded after just one year for Tom Gugliotta and three first round picks. After that, Webber played four years for Washington. He got into the playoffs once. Along the way, he complained about food served on the charter plane, publically criticized the front office for not consulting him on roster changes, made a throat slashing gesture towards fans in a game which pissed everyone off, and went to court over some minor traffic offenses, assult on a police officer case, resisiting arrest, and possession of marijuana. He also flaked out on the team twice when they tried scheduling a comercial shoot for the team. Then he was traded to the Kings, first said he would refuse to show up, but did and everything went okay. He was 25 when he came to the Kings.

As a Kings fan, I loved Webber. But the fans of the team that drafted him? I have a feeling they weren’t a fan of his attitude when he was younger. Same goes for the Wizard fans.

As for Rasheed, he was drafted by the Wizards but traded to the Blazers for Rod Strickland after just one year. Sheed played over 7 years in Portland. The guy made it to the Western Conference finals and had some really successful seasons there but he kept getting into fights with the officials and had a few legal problems off the court. Sheed was able to break the record (again and again) for most technical fouls in a season and was eventually suspended for 6 or 7 games for threaning a ref after a game. People in Portland got tired of his act and he was later traded away to Atlanta and then Detriot. Since then he has played in Boston.

Detriot obviously loved him and he helped bring them to two Finals appearances and they even won it. I just have to wonder how much the Blazers fans look fondly back at the Sheed years. Was it all worth it? I know a few who don’t look back at it too fondly.

Then there is the brightest example in Charles Barkeley. Never won a ring but he played for Phili for a number of years at an MVP level before demanding a trade after (a) the team failed to win much and (b) some controversy in Phili over Barkeley spitting on a little girl in the crowd (was trying to spit at someone else). He went on the Phoenix, have an MVP season there and go to the finals and then had a good run in Houston. I am pretty sure Phili fans look back at his years fondly but there were some bumps along the way.

Then there is Derrick Coleman, the most depressing example. No real need to go into here but, needless to say, it didn’t really work out in Phili.

Basically I like these players as comparisons to Cousins. They had their “Swagger” and were very talented. For the most part they had successful careers but they also burned a lot of bridges when they were younger. Cousins, like these high profile bigs before him, is under a media microscope and everything he does and everything that happens around him, he will be judged (regardless of whether it’s fair or not). I hope he can handle it, but hey he’s a kid and it’s not easy. I just hope he doesn’t end up burning bridges early on in his career like Sheed, Coleman, or Webber. I would hate to have to look back 15 years from now thinking “Hey Cousins had a pretty nice career. Too bad the Kings had to move him out of Sacramento after only 5 and a half years. He turned into a really solid veteran.”

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Someone also said something a day or two ago (sorry I forget who) about how with Cousins, you can’t try and force him to be someone he is not. You have to accept him for who he is. I think that statement is 100% true although maybe I think about it in a different way than the person who said it.

In my opinion, Webber, Barkely, and Rasheed all had a similar attitude to Cousins when they came in the league. They were not bad people and they weren’t lazy. They were competitive and weren’t followers. They were opinionated, passionate, and spoke their minds (In my opinion they were 3 of the most interesting players ever. I love talking about them). They wanted to be respected and didn’t like it when they didn’t get any. This attitude I think is a part of what made them such huge pains in the butt when they were young but when they got older and a little wiser? For the most part they became great lockerroom guys, leaders, and were respected as smart players.

I think their “attitude” or “swagger” played a huge role in how their careers turned out, for the most part for the better but at the same time it did limit them in some ways. With Sheed, he never got away from the stigma of being a hot head and was very off and on. Webber never quite became the best power forward of his era even though he had the skills (although to be fair, having your knee pop out in ways it shouldn’t doesn’t really help ones cause). Barkeley never quite got the championship and had a hard time staying in shape but at the same time it is kind of hard to complain about his career. They were great but they also had bumpy patches that did affect the franchises they played for, which even lead to trades or fans being pretty pissed off.

Like I said above, throughout their careers, they still were the type of players who (like Cousins) you couldn’t force to be like other star players. Barkeley still told people “I am not a role model.” But people still tried to do it. It was inevitable.

Here’s my point. Cousins is likely going to have his “swagger” for his whole career. Right now, given he is a kid, like most kids with “swagger”, he seems a little immature and it might cause some problems in the first few years of his career. Hopefully he can get through the growing pains without burning bridges with the organization or the fans because there will be growing pains. Just like with Webber, Sheed, and Barkeley, the casual fans, the media, or even the Kings organization will try to force Cousins to be someone he is not. It is inevitable. It happens all the time. Fans will get pissed about his effort some day or about his attitude, the media will jump on him if anything off the court happens, and the Kings will have their own lockeroom spatz and also try and contain any public problems. People will try to force Cousins to be something he is not. Cousins is not a follower. He is not the guy who just goes along with the plan. He wants a purpose. He wants a voice. A lot of people in the media, society, and within the NBA do not like it when young players are not followers or share their own opinions or thoughts. This will not always go well.

I am not trying to throw the guy under the bus here but things will happen, good and bad. Personally I think it is more fair to view him as the player he is than the view him as the guy I want him to be. He is who he is. I am not writing this to say “I told you so” whenever anything happens. That is not the point. My point is that if something does happen people don’t overract. I don’t want to see people rushing to defend him just for the sake of defending him (like Tyreke getting handcuffed) and I don’t want to see people rushing to throw him out out of town (like what happened with Kevin Martin and the fans booing him at Arco). If Cousins’ youth shows, people will understand this was part fo the package. Cousins is who we thought he was.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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What makes the players you discuss

standout from others (besides Coleman) who have had much shorter, much less glamorous stints in the League is work ethic. All of these players clearly worked hard on the court, and worked hard at improving their games off the court. This is why I am also optimistic about Cousins.

He came into the season in better shape than last year. It has been reported that he has been staying after practice to work with coaches on his game. He is among the league leaders in rebounds per game, and in particular offensive rebounds per game. These things tell me that he is trying hard to get it right and I think that when talented people work that hard, they tend to get it right. I don’t think his behavioral issues are any different really, except that he wasn’t “given” the gift of behavior like he was size, so he has to work harder at being coachable than he does at being a great at rebounding.

As your post illustrates, there are a lot of guys who have rough starts who figure it out. I think DMC’s work ethic is a good indicator that he will be one of the guys who figure it all out and has a successful career in the NBA. I hope it is with the Kings.

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by Jim Les on Jan 2, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Great take

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by section214 on Jan 2, 2012 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Great post

I’d love to have someone like Webber talk to Cuz, but from experience of raising a couple of hard-headed sons, I suspect Cuz is going to have to learn the hard way.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 2, 2012 11:42 AM PST reply actions  

I was thinking that Webber would be an ideal person in a lot of ways to talk to Demarcus, but I'm not sure if anyone could get through to Cuz right now.

I know that Webber is and has been a huge fan of Cousins, he has the connection with the organization, his own story has a lot for Cuz to relate to, and I think Webber is right in the wheelhouse of being old and experienced enough to have some authority without being so old and detached from his playing days to seem out-of-touch. Plus, I think Webb has damn good speaking and people skills. I’m not suggesting that Webb should have some kind of formal role as Cuz’s mentor or anything, but I would love it if Chris would have the chance to have at least one good conversation with Demarcus, hopefully convince him that he understands what he’s going through and that it’s important that he navigates these early years of his career the right way, and that he can call Chris if he’s ever having a hard time and Webb will give him his honest advice on it.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 2, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Get thru to Cuz right now?

Do we actually know what he’s suppose to have done besides argue with his coach? Because he used the words Trade Me instead of F-ck You in an arguement?

Is this anything more than an emotional young talent butting heads with a Head Coach with anger issues of his own. I’d feel more inclined to give PW the benefit of the doubt if at any time in his career here, I’d heard him take any responsibility for the failures of the team.

And if any of these mellow dramas had any substance to them, why wasn’t there any formal action taken. Because if they suspended him and he challenged it with the league, they’d look like idiots and lose the appeal in a public forum.

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by HighTops on Jan 2, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Wow

You missed most of last season I suppose?

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by otis29 on Jan 2, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on, Tops

Cousins has a long history of issues, and plenty since he’s been here. My conservative guess is that we hear about one out of every five (or ten) blow ups that he has.

If your stance is that Cousins is a misunderstood and tread upon victim in all of this, so be it. I don’t see Cousins as an innocent, as there have been way too many documented issues (“red flags” might be a good name for them) through the years.

Yeah, Westphal handled this very, very poorly. Yet he managed to not blow up 13 other players on the roster. He’s a buffoon, but that does not absolve Cousins.

Let’s stop making excuses for the kid. That’s why he has had situations like this in the past and the present. Let’s stop making excuses for him so that he can steer away from this sort of crap in the future.

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by section214 on Jan 2, 2012 4:24 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd for your words of wisdom

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 3, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Cousins has a long history of issues, and plenty since he’s been here.

Can you provide a list so they can be verified? Most of the older stuff I’ve found online about him is positive except the stuff from college rivals?
As for the King’s stuff most seems overblown. Team mates or players and coaches have disagreements all the time and usually keep it in house. Has anyone in the community had bad interaction with DeMarcus? I’ve heard folks say they’ve seen him give away stuff to kids but never heard anyone say he disrespected them?
In interviews Demarcus comes off as pretty quick witted and friendly so I’m having a hard time figuring out why the coaches have a problem with him? Anyone know how he gets along with coach Smart who has a reputation as a player’s coach?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 3, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Google Search

A Google search will cover it all, from his issues in high school, his AAU dealings, his fallouts at Kentucky, his supension last year, getting thrown out of practice, giving an opponent the choke sign before the end of the ballgame…a ballgame that the Kings ultimately lost.

This is no secret – the guy fell to the Kings in the draft because of his “red flags.”

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by section214 on Jan 3, 2012 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

A Google search will cover it all, from his issues in high school, his AAU dealings, his fallouts at Kentucky, his suspension last year, getting thrown out of practice, giving an opponent the choke sign before the end of the ballgame

When I search him up it says he played in his state final 4 and some other high school all star type games, Followed Calipari to Kentucky where he was well liked, got drafted 5th spot and had a difficult rookie year on a team going nowhere? The only negatives I see are from old school rivals or southern bigots, the folks that knew him all seemed to like him?
The problem with team mates seems to have shown up after he got here? Maybe these guys are just not being good team mates because the team is struggling? Wins can cure a lot of hurt feelings.
I don’t get to see many kings games but what I’ve seen looks like a need for better coaching if Demarcus is gonna have a chance to succeed.
For instance it looks like he needs to have plays designed to get him the ball in spots where he has easier shots with time on the clock and an outlet to pass out if the shot isn’t there. Seems like he often thinks he’s got to do more than he should be expected to do? I’m not sure why the Kings are rolling without a real point guard but that couldn’t help the situation either?
Next time I’m in Sac I’ll try to take in a game and I hope the situation is better by then as I’d really hate to see the kid shipped off to get it together somewhere else. This team deserves some better luck than it’s been getting over the years as the fans are right up there at the top of the league.

Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 3, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He got parked at Kentucky and he got parked here

and he had some issues at he AAU level. He’s had problems everywhere that he has gone, yet everyone else is the problem?

Scratch that. I’m making it all up. Yeah, that’s it. I’m the reason that he fell in the draft. I’m the reason for his reputation. I coined the phrase “red flags.”

I know you’re a Dubs fan. If I showed up at GSoM and extolled the virtues of JB Carroll or Chris Washburn and then played dumb about their well-chronicled shortcomings, my bet is that it would not go over too well. And you’re a smart person from what I have read of you – far too smart to not know or understand Cousins’ well publicized past problems.

Believe what you will believe. The whole world is against DeMarcus Cousins, the last sane individual on a planet gone wild.

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by section214 on Jan 3, 2012 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

then played dumb about their well-chronicled shortcomings,

You hafta take into account who’s chronicling the shortcomings. Coach Calipari seems to like Demarcus , coach John Thompson liked Demarcus. Mississippi fans and some media didn’t like Cuz.
I don’t know why the Kings coaches have a problem with him as they should expect a 21 year old to not be mature and they should expect a kid with his drive and raw potential to want to question why the team is not performing as well as it should. He’s here needing guidance and he’s getting grief instead. What’s the purpose of having a press conference to complain that a kid complained about the team? The medicine is worse than the sickness. The way to deal with a kid like this is to say “show me” when he claims to have a better solution, that way you learn to work together. Most of this stuff seems very petty to me even the benching for the choke sign last year. I thought it was actually pretty funny quick witted trash talk and then really turned hilarious when Demarcus couldn’t secure the ball and created the perfect moment for the warriors to give him the choke sign back?
Bottom line is he’s a problem I’d like to have and I hope he’s playing next time I take in a game at Arco. I’d like to see a point guard too, maybe you guys can pick up NateRobinson for the year, I hear he’s talkin to the Dubs who don’t really need him?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 3, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

It's in Calipari's best interests to have a good relationship with his prior recruits

The higher Cousins goes in the draft, the better business will be for Calipari on the recruiting trail. And let’s face it, Calipari is a businessman.

Interesting that you admit to not following too much, but have a very strong opinion that Cousins is not a problem child. This is a guy who’s taken a swing at a teammate, who acted like a petulant child (on and off the court) most of last season, and isn’t being backed up by an teammates for his behavior this season. Hell, the season hadn’t even started yet before he was acting up.

Westphal may have no clue how to handle him, but Cousins has no clue how to be a professional basketball player. And unfortunately, he’s not nearly good enough on the court to justify being coddled.

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by otis29 on Jan 4, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting that you admit to not following too much, but have a very strong opinion that Cousins is not a problem child.

only because I don’t listen to rumors I just look at things I can verify and Cousins comes off in interviews as an intelligent kid who is not afraid to tell it like he sees it. I don’t get the typical athlete BS interview vibe from him. You might not like what he says but I suspect it’s the truth.
Who knows why he took a swing at a team mate? Were you there? Maybe the guy deserved it?
As I said before it does no good to make the situation worse by trying it in the media. If the team don’t think he’s worth developing then trade him instead of destroying his trade value and if they do then get him the support he needs to feel at home..

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL
Who knows why he took a swing at a team mate? Were you there? Maybe the guy deserved it?

Thanks, some time it takes a new person to offer perspective that’s been hashed out a million times on the site.

Since you’re new here, I’ll go ahead and admit to that being sarcasm.

And I’m on record that I don’t agree with how Westphal and the Kings handled the situation.

I also suspect Cousins isn’t good enough where anyone should have to walk on eggshells around him. He’s just a guy who has a bit of talent and can be a decent center if he applies himself. Seems he’d rather be a pain in the ass at this point in his life.

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by otis29 on Jan 4, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

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by section214 on Jan 4, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And throwing a punch at a teammate

Other than all these things, he’s been quite delightful.

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by otis29 on Jan 4, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

There are actual words in this post.

And they make sense.

If you were going for Laziest Post, you’re going to have to work much harder than that!

(Wait. That didn’t come out right…)

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

Last spring when well Evans averaged 6.8 assists per 36 minutes, about average for PG

With all the criticism of Evans’ ball sharing, I kept track of his assists last year from 25 March to 13 April when he was well. Evans averaged 5.9 assists per game and 6.8 assists per 36 minutes. (Evans played short minutes the first several games) That is not that good, but it is not bad either. In fact 6.8 assists per game (Tyreke usually plays 36 minutes when healthy) would have made him 13th amongst point guards that year.
Now there is a new offense. He has been asked to move without the ball. His assists and rebounds have gone down. I suspect team assists have gone down as well. I suspect if the team shifted back to last year’s offense, Evans would be averaging 6.5 assists per game, about average for a point guard..

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by Carlji on Jan 2, 2012 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Nice take Wally.

Hayes’d

Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile

by Balky Needs on Jan 3, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

This is lazy?

Rec’d.

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by otis29 on Jan 3, 2012 10:54 AM PST reply actions  

Essentailly it was a copy and paste job

if you click the “A Beautiful Mind” link and look at the comment section (just ignore the Amare part given it made no sense) it’s just me repeating myself.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Cousins Non Issue...No Chem in his body or brain...Sorry.

The ownership remains bock-ing at bring-ing in the attitude that swagger’s billboards to please-stay e.g., spending money on chemistry is key. Those dudes (true balers) obviously don’t trust Ownership to do what they se’ Ownership needs to reestablish that they themselves believe in Sacramento. They need core chemistry B A D…It went away one night playing the dread Lakers. However, part of that chemistry is coach sporn if Jeff can get the 3 dudes needed willing to come-H E R E.

The ownership remains bocking at bringing in the attitude that swagger’s billboards to please stay! Knowing your GOOOOD and backing it up barfing blood or wiping it off your elbows is not Cousins thing. Does he have the size-yes Does he offer skill set-Maybe. Can He backup his mouth-Nope.

by Poison Monkey on Jan 3, 2012 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

The ownership remains bocking at bringing in the attitude that swagger’s billboards to please stay

I have no idea what that means but I do understand “Does he have the size-yes Does he offer skill set-Maybe. Can He backup his mouth-Nope.” and I think that’s what the coaches should be teaching him instead of just telling him to keep quiet and not make waves?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 3, 2012 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

lol, poison monkey is poisoned skeptic

yeah , it’s like looking at those those pulsing lights while trying to talk to someone. Maybe I need to learn cowbell?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a quick tip

Since you’re new around here.

If you’re going to quote someone, don’t do it in the subject line. Do it in a block quote. I read your subject lines and thought that you were saying weird stuff.

To block quote, just select the text, then click the button that looks like quotation marks. But it has to be in the body of the post, not the subject line.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 4, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Do it in a block quote. I read your subject lines and thought that you were saying weird stuff.
Do it in a block quote. I read your subject lines and thought that you were saying weird stuff.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 4, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you know that's what the coaches are teaching him?

The NBA is hard, and I wonder if it’s just too hard for DeMarcus.

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by otis29 on Jan 4, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Good stuff Wally

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by Mike Garza on Jan 4, 2012 7:28 PM PST reply actions  

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