DeMarcus Cousins Traveling With Kings To Memphis
by Tom Ziller on Jan 2, 2012 2:39 PM PST
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PrintAccording to multiple reports, DeMarcus Cousins is with the Sacramento Kings as the team travels to Memphis to play the Grizzlies on Tuesday.
There's no word on whether Cousins will play on Tuesday, or how the sitdown with Geoff Petrie scheduled for Monday went. The decision to send Cousins home on Sunday was made by Paul Westphal, and one would assume that Westphal will be the man to decide whether the center plays on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.
The assignments of Hassan Whiteside and Tyler Honeycutt to the D-League's Reno Bighorns on Sunday creates an interesting complication: with Cousins in tow, the Kings have just 12 active players on the roster. It wouldn't have seemed tenable to leave Cousins in Sacramento for two road games, traveling with just 11 players. The Kings do have plenty of players to trot out at power forward if needed, though.
The Kings play the Grizzlies on Tuesday, the Nuggets in Denver on Wednesday and the Bucks in Sacramento on Thursday.
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Let me be the first to predict
Cuz plays in all three games. Puts up solid numbers, and the Kings take two of three on the road.
And at least half the comments still call for firing Westphal or trading Tyreke
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 2, 2012 2:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
All double-double's on the road.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jan 2, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
if we win 2 of 3 on the road
people will be predicting championships for this team.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
But they will still want to fire PW
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 2, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
And if we lose all 3
The pro-Westphal contingent will still want to keep him.
Is that how this works?
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Its more of a "pro-Westphal for now" contingent
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Ah,
I guess that I would be one of those, if it was qualifed with “as long as we can’t get a top tier coach or he doesn’t lose the team, in which case he has to go.”
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Couldn't have said it better
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Hey, leave me out of this!
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by napg on Jan 2, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We only play 2 games on the road
The other one is at home v. Milwaukee.
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Ohhh
Epic fail. But everything else still stands.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
You think
That Westphal is some coach that will bring this team to where they want to be? All evidence to the contrary…
I don’t care if they win their games, if they look as disjointed and clueless as they have been on offense. However, if they look good, run plays, pick and rolls, screens, effectively, and don’t have those piss poor match-ups, even if they lose, I’ll be happy how they look.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks for asking
First, I guess it would depend on where the team wants to be. Assuming you are talking about a championship, I don’t think this is the roster that will take us where we want to be. I love the optimism of our fans. But with the best coach in the world, I think reaching the playoffs this year would be a pretty big stretch.
I would be happy with 25 wins. And yes, I think that PW a coach that can get us there.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Well,
Fair enough, but I’m fairly certain fans and the FO expect a better W/L record than last year, which is probably the cause for frustration.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
That would be a better W/L record than last year.
We would have one more win and 15 fewer losses.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but,
I think it’s the hype about maybe a “40 win season” as just quoted on the Napear show by Ross.
It would be a better record, but I’m feeling that PW will need more than 25 wins if he wants to keep coaching. I feel for the guy, because if he can’t show any improvement with this team, it will most likely be his last coaching stint in the NBA. But it’s time for this team to start improving.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Wait
Are you really saying you expect the Kings to win 40 out of 66 games this season?
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
We're on pace for 26 right now.
40 out of 66 seems a pretty big stretch (scales up to 43 wins in a 72 game season)
I would’ve been happy with 30-35.
I don't
I’m just quoting direct from the radio show.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Just as
An example that maybe fans think we should be on pace for a little more than 25? How many wins would define a successful season for PW to keep his job?
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Well
Just for comparison’s sake, if we won 40 games this season. That would give us a 60% record. Last year that would have been good enough for 6th place in the Western Conference. More than doubling our winning percentage over last year.
Considering that we added Hickson, Salmons, and Hayes over last year and lost Dally and Casspi, I think getting close to 40% this season would be a solid improvement. And it should probably earn PW at least another year. If we win less than 25 games, I think PW is probably gone.
Currently we are at 40% against teams that all made the playoffs last year and people are despairing.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
We're on pace to win more games than each of the last two seasons
with less games played.
That said, of course the Institute of Small Sample Sizes approved this study.
Lol
Excellent use of the ISSS XD.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly don't recall them talking about possibly going for 40 wins this year
you sure they weren’t talking about a .500 record?
Yeah
It was mentioned by Jason on the Napear show just now. Maybe I’m quoting someone who had a bad source, however. Could be more than possible.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Mayme it was Ross's prediction
After all he’s the guy that kept insisting Rogers was overrated, couldn’t win in the playoffs and that the Packers should have kept Favre.
No way do we win 40 games this year.
No. Way. None.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
I think he (or who is he quoting) is getting mixed up and still thinking 82 game schedule
granted, I would still disagree but that’s my guess.
Well,
He was quoting someone from the GrantRant, so it’s entirely possible.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
It may take us a season and a half to win 40 games
At least.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am a fact-based organism
Upside – less hyperbole.
Downside – They feed me a protein-based paste for sustenance.
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Pssh.
I’ve had dinner with you. That was some cleverly disguised protein-based paste.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
That was
Jack’s Urban Paste. Sinfullythetically delicious.
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Amazing!
It looked just like French fries.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
He's a pansy all-around.
He never disagrees with anybody and if he does offer his own opinion, it’s wishy-washy.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Say somebody calls up and says "Tyreke sucks" and hangs up,
Jason would say “well I’d agree he isn’t doing as well as we all hoped he would do this year but I don’t know if I would say he sucks”.
I’d rather hear Grant tell him he’s a moron.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he's a little too vanilla
Grant’s the other extreme. If JRoss found a bit of an edge, I think he’d be great.
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As I said, opinions vary
I’d rather not slam my hand in a car door (Ross) than slam my hand in a car door (Grant). In a perfect world, I’d like my driver to open the car door for me (Jerry Reynolds).
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I stand behind this comment 100%.
Just for clarification purposes. Grant is a jerk, so when he kisses ass he does it in a loud, obnoxious, manner. Ross is probably a decent guy and so he goes about it in a different, more subtle way.
His preference is to talk up the team to unreasonable heights ( I can’t tell you how many times he’s talked about the Kings as a playoff team when it was painfully obvious they were very bad), talk of trades as if they were genius when they so clearly aren’t (every time Geoff’s made one of his penny pinching moves Ross trumpets it for giving “flexibility”), and swears (just like Grant) that this year the Maloof’s are totally going to spend in free agency. He also has taken a very pro Maloof stance when it comes to the Arena.
Now you may think that none of this makes him an ass kisser, but if you do I don’t see how you could think Grant is. They say very similar things, the real difference is Ross says them in a gentler, nicer and as caseycheesecake says “wish-washy” way.
So in summary I’d say they’re approximately the same level of ass kisser, Jason is just more subtle/nice about it.
W/L record? I think you were more accurate the first time
I don’t care if they win their games, if they look as disjointed and clueless as they have been on offense. However, if they look good, run plays, pick and rolls, screens, effectively, and don’t have those piss poor match-ups, even if they lose, I’ll be happy how they look.
Am I misunderstanding your post?
Are you saying that you think PW is the Coach to get us to be a good team, or that he can get us to 25 wins?
In answer to both questions
25 wins would give us nearly a 38% winning percentage. The best % since 2007-08. If the fans are expecting much more than that, I think they are setting themslves up to be pretty disappointed. And I’m pretty sure the FO would be happy with an increase from 29% to 38%.
I think a reasonable goal would be to then get close to .500 by 2012-2013. Again this is assuming we continue to improve the roster. I believe that would have us close to the playoffs. My definition of a “good” team.
Is PW the man to take us to a championship? Probably not. But at this point I think we don’t have the staff do do any better.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I always set my self up for disapointment
Tyreke’s first 2 years, I thought they would get 30+ wins. This year I prediced 30+ again. One of these years the Kings will break out and I’ll be right for once. Until then I’ll be blindly optimistic about this team.
I'd rather expect 25
Fear 20, and be pleasantly surprised with 27
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
i would love for this prediction to be right, and hopefully everyone we play against will go 0-17 from 3pt. land like the hornets.
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
So, by saying your guess is that people will still call for Westphal irrespective of success in the next few games
Is that you will want to keep him if we win the next two of three?
Or is this the second time I am completely missing your point on this thread, and I apologize if it is.
There are three conditions under which I would be in favor of replacing PW during this season
1) The Maloofs have an agreement with a top notch coach. (Note Keith Smart, Larry Brown, and Eddie Jordan do not qualify as top notch as far as I am concerned)
2) He completely loses the team. We are talking mutiny here. Not young players who are frustrated by losing.
3) A prolonged losing streak (10 games plus would probably do it.)
As I pointed out in another post, integrating young players into a team is not an overnight process. Derrick Rose’s first season with the Bulls, they improved 8 games (the same as the Kings with Evans.) His second year, they improved zero games. The wizard’s first season with John wall, they won 3 less games.
It’s easy to say Westphal is a bad coach. But honestly, I’m just not convinced of that yet.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 2, 2012 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wait hold up
out of all the road trips the Kings could have brought more than 12 players, they pick the one with the back-to-back-to-back?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 2, 2012 2:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yep, hows that logic work!? Signs of poor planning IMO
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by Dirkula on Jan 2, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not losing any sleep
over the fact Hassan Whiteside and Tyler Honeycutt won’t be available to play.
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Cue
chest bump…
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by section214 on Jan 2, 2012 2:49 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Westphal and Demarcus will likely save the chest bump for the Thursday home contest against the Bucks after two big road wins...
by SacKingsfanforever on Jan 2, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Hope they leave it at that...
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I knew it was you
Fredo, Spencer, DeMarcus!
by betweentheeyes on Jan 2, 2012 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
There is no way DeMarcus will do a chest bump with Westphal. No way!
No matter how much Westphal pleads, DMC will have no part of it.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Actually I believe DMC WILL chest bump Westphal.
He’ll charge into him like on an offensive possession and send Westphal flying into the half court.
This.
Word to DeMarcus Cousins - don't go fishing.
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Why are they playing the mavericks in Denver?
That doesn’t seem fair to either team.
by Lotusprime on Jan 2, 2012 3:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
meh.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
IT IS A CONSPIRACY
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 2, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, you might be new.
There is nothing at all wrong with your post. Tom wrote up a little article about the news that you had in your fanshot. Yours was a link. His had opinion and insight. They are two posts that exist for good reason.
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
True.
But why did you?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody saw that coming
completely reasonable response
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 3, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
...
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by SierraSpartan on Jan 3, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And Amick posted it so the it could be Fanshot
I guess that gives Amick the right for the rare “meh-meh.”
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Isn't more of an elongated "mehhhhh?"
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 2, 2012 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
God I hope Geoff Petrie told DMC the following at their Monday meeting…
Look DMC, either you get with the F%#$@*! program or we are going to waste your career making you a scrub that comes off the bench for the last 30 seconds of a game for the next FOUR YEARS, and by doing this the other teams will have fogotten your a good player by the time you come up for your next contract… GOT IT?
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 3:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
So that he gets with the damn program and starts acting like a professional
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
if that's truly your goal, your mission in having such a meeting
technically, that might not be the best tactic out there
I don’t like it when good players (not yet great) start trying to run the franchise like they are first team all nba or something
Players need to be whipped back into shape and learn that they don’t run the franchise, they are simply employees and need to act accordingly…
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
but again, if your goal is for DMC to get “with the damn program” and to start "acting like a professional, technically this might not be the best tactic out there.
Because if you go down that road all bets are off and all bridges are immediately burned unless you get DMC immediately begging for forgiveness.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 2, 2012 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and when I saw all bets are off
not just with DMC but possibly with future draft picks, free agents, and the paying fans if the story leakes and your franchise is in the tubes for a decade.
technically this might not be the best tactic out there
Yeah I guess your right, maybe I’m just angry when I hear about this DMC / Ron Artest type of behavior and just wish one time that a precedent would be set so that future players don’t pull this childish BS
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody's going to forget he's a good player.
They’re just going to know we wasted him for four years. It’ll probably cost him a few million dollars. Then again it’ll cost us quite a few million dollars as well to do that to him out of spite.
You really think a player would waste 4 years of his career eh? I dont…
I’d just think it would scare him enough to know “Oh yeah I don’t run this asylum”
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
You really think the franchise would waste 4 years of his career?
As in just pay him to sit on the bench when you could obviously get something for him on the market?
I’m saying that it won’t even get to that point with this threat
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
Demarcus acts like a child sometimes but he's not a goddamn four year old.
You don’t just make empty threats you’re not willing to back up. If you don’t have any reason to believe the team will follow through on the threat, then it’s not going to scare you.
It’s not an empty threat, its very real and would knock some sense into him
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
Hope Petrie brought in a picture of Kenny into the meeting for DMC to see =P
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure he told Demarcus to play like he's capable
That he’s certain Westphal wants to win just as much as he does – and that the coaching situation will take care of itself eventually.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
I hope our team just did the equivalent of a coach getting thrown out on purpose to fire up his team!
They needed a shot in the arm . . .
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
I don't understand how...
DMC get’s called out for things like that, but Tyreke gets away with:
Evans quote:“Me and (Thornton) had a long talk in the locker room yesterday,” Evans said. “We just said … we got to find a way. A lot of people complain about the offense, it’s not the greatest offense, but it works when we run it. So we just got to keep playing hard like that. We got tough road games coming up and we got to go out there and play hard.”
Is anyone else a little thrown by that statement? I was like um…what?
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Not sure I see a problem with the quote
Plus we have no idea what goes on in practice or the locker room after the game…
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
You don't see it as
A backhand compliment? That it works when [him and Thornton] run it? And that it’s not a great offense? Coupled with his other comment, it seems like a thinly veiled challenge to the offense.
But hey, maybe just me though. That’s fair enough as well.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
Calling it a backhanded compliment might imply an intent to give a backhanded compliment.
I don’t think Tyreke intended it to be read that way.
That's fair
It just appears like that at first blush. But like I said, Tyreke might not have that intent. It’s not exactly reaching to see a possible second meaning, though.
I mean, I would take the “It works when we run it” in two ways – either the players aren’t running the offense as they should be, or PW isn’t good at directing the offense.
I guess we’ll just have to wait for this next stretch of ten games or so to see what will happen.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
As has been noted
Tyreke is not the best public speaker. My guess is he mean to say “it doesn’t look like the greatest offense” and screwed it up.
Just my opinion, I think his intention here was to back up Westphal and defend the offense, he just botched it.
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Agreed
I usually take what Tyreke says with a grain of salt. He may have good intentions, but can’t communicate it clearly. Something about Tyreke that you just have to accept.
When I watched the interview that was my take as well
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
I agree
I would assume that Tyreke and Thorton probably aren’t so emotional behind the scenes while DMC is. All the comments about the coaching and offense were bad but Thorton and Tyreke probably weren’t yelling “trade me now” or what ever else that may have been said.
by ThomasGQ on Jan 2, 2012 4:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Which player is going to say that their coach has the greatest offense?
Come on man. Y’all are just reaching now. Even ignoring “it works when we run it,” which clearly means that if it doesn’t look good to the fans, then it’s the players fault.
And then the very next game
they reportedly ran the offense and Marcus and Tyreke both had very good games in a win. The problem I’m seeing with respect to DeMarcus and Tyreke is that when Tyreke disagrees, he at least tries to comply and go along while DeMarcus will continue doing as he sees is best. That’s all speculation on my part, but it could very well go a long way towards explaining Westphal’s treatment of the two young players.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 2, 2012 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That game and all the quotes coming out about Cousins is why I want Cousins to be benched or gone for the next game as well. I want to see how the team does without Cousins distracting them. Memphis will be without Zach Randolph, Darell Arthur and maybe Mike Conley.
I agree with your observation of Tyreke versus Cousins.
When Tyreke finds himself in hot water or opposition, he is very polite and complies. It is a strategy which has worked well for him, whether he is driving down the highway at 130 mph, hanging out at the mall with friends with pants around their butts, or finding himself in the middle of a drive-by. He is very polite and cooperative with authority figures.
Cousins, on the other hand, thumbs his nose at authority, which tends to get him into problems, with coaches. It is usually over stupid stuff. As you and other have pointed out, he has improved vastly in terms with his on-court demeanor with the refs.
Tyreke and Cousins have very different personalities and ways of dealing with situations.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
You like DMC so much, you’ll rip at Tyreke to make him look better?
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Face palm
Oh dear, I knew I shouldn’t have posted that. I am a big fan of Reke’s.
My point was that these two guys have very different ways to deal with situations. Reke has an uncanny way of handling himself in stressful situations, while Cousins tends to shoot himself in the foot and turn something inconsequential into something bigger than it has to be.
Perhaps like I just did with the drive by reference.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
if it makes you feel better Slam
I read it the way you seem to have meant for it
by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Me too.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, Casey and Wally. I do feel better.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
As you and other have pointed out, he has improved vastly in terms with his on-court demeanor with the refs.
has he?
by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
He got the double tech with Pau when their elbows touched
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 3, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
So, not getting back on defense and missing free throws
is ‘not the greatest offense’?
I agree.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 2, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Everyone knows that not getting back on defense is “not the greatest defense.”
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Its like "jumbo shrimp"
it’s not the greatest offense, but it works when we run it
So why the hell don’t they “run it”!?
Truly, how can he say it’s not great, but works when its run!?
I mean seriously, wtf!?
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by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
by Dirkula on Jan 2, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is what I've been harping on
The Kings are a young team, prone to not running their offense and playing me-first basketball. When they play THEIR game, and run THEIR offense, like the Lakers game, it’s great. But they constantly stop doing it, which is a sign of a young team. Experienced teams play to their gameplan. This team is not experienced.
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
To put it nicely
Tyreke is not the most eloquent person in the nba and I have no idea whether he meant to convey the plain meaning of those words.
My gut feeling is that he meant to say the offense “has not been the best offense” because they aren’t running it very well.
by lchristmas on Jan 2, 2012 7:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Holy crap, you and I are in complete agreement
The assimilation is complete. :)
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Grant Napear is
A tool. Listening to him put the onus all on DeMarcus Cousins. I guess according to him PW poops gold.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 5:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He would know.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
Rec'd-um
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jan 2, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Oh, come on!
I’ve been posting wisdom and insight all day, and the one that goes green is a three-word response to a fat curve ball thrown right over the plate?
You are all potty-minded children.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 2, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Bingo
But we know golden snark when we see it.
by Lotusprime on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hey,
I’ll keep throwing them, just keep knocking them out of the park :P
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
We're simple folk,
and we enjoy simple pleasures.
Boobies.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Hate the play not the player.
Playa-hater.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Huhuhuhuhuh...
He said “potty.”
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by SierraSpartan on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Napear works for The Kings
He could never say the coach is divisive, runs a depressing locker room and a grade-school offense. He has to take the side of the “organization”, so his opinions are disingenuous and therefor irrelavent. Plus, he’s a tool.
by mavisdory on Jan 2, 2012 5:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions 9 recs
He's not part of management
Who pays Napear a significant salary.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
He completely thrashed our star and best player every opportunity he had.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Jan 2, 2012 7:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
That's because
He doesn’t work for the players, he works for the team. He brown-noses them, not the guys on court.
He would once he discovered the coach was being fired
and then rag on him until the event occured
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Better be talkin' Oregon
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 2, 2012 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Anybody else see Cousins' statement?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Oops, wasn't supposed to post that yet.
From Amick
Kings F DeMarcus Cousins has issued a statement: “I want to address my missing the New Orleans game Sunday. I have not demanded or requested a trade. I don’t agree with the actions taken but will give my sincere effort to put it behind me and compete the best I can for my team.”
Cousins’ statement was sent to media through his agent, John Greig. Clearly this isn’t water under the bridge in their eyes.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
That last sentence should've been in the blockquote, that's from Amick.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Not good
That’s not quite the ah shucks can’t we all be friends again apology that would have helped things move ahead smoothly is it?
Good enough
He doesn’t have to agree with the punishment or need for punishment. He simply needs to prioritize playing basketball.
IMO
There is an unjumpable chasm between “He demanded a trade” and “If you think I am a big cancer then go ahead and trade me”. (not exact quotes)
I think if the source in Amick’s article is true, then, while technically true, I would consider the King’s and PWs presentation of that as a trade demand a flat out lie.
It may not be a lie to all of you, but in my world it is a 100% lie.
I hope for the sake of the King’s organization that the source was wrong.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 2, 2012 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I agree with thissentiment, and think its most likely what went down.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Jan 2, 2012 7:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Any attempt to deceive is a lie
And I agree with you, if that was the context, then the PW release is very deceptively out of context.
Makes more sense than the press release
PW goes to talk to DMC about the story in the paper, offers suggestions and constructive critique, DMC takes it personally, things escalate and DMC says if you think I’m that big a cancer then trade me. That is a story I can see happening.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
So what happened on the 24th then?
by Lotusprime on Jan 2, 2012 7:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
DMC "Happy Holidays PW"
PW “Some people will think you are anti-christian if you say that.”
DMC "WTF, are serious?
PW “Does this sound like a joke?”
DMC “Everything you say sounds like a joke”’
PW “You cancerous bitch!”
DMC “If you think I’m a cancer then Trade me!”
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 2, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
I, for one, have always enjoyed a good suck
this one…not so much
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 2, 2012 7:53 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
This reads even dirtier than it was when I thought it
I am invoking a 1 hour ban on myself.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
If the Kings are basing it off that one statement, you'd probably be right
Just because we have confirmation of one statement doesn’t mean we have confirmation of ALL of them.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
It's a matter of credibility
One lie causes every statement to be called into question.
How is it a lie?
The Kings statements don’t indicate when DeMarcus demanded a trade.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Don't quite get how it's a lie either
and I would like to add, if we were privy to the facts and indeed we did find out that DMC really is being as ridiculous as they are potraying him, I still am not a fan of how this organization is run because it’s not like any of that stuff would be all that shocking even on draft day.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
There’s plenty to criticize the franchise for, especially on how they handled this issue. But it’s a stretch to call them liars on DMC’s “trade request” at this point.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
my confidence is significantly waning
in Petrie, Westphal, even Reynolds. Everyone. The whole bunch.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Just curious
Who ultimately decides on Petrie’s fate? Does that decision completely lye with the Melinda’s?
They've often said that Petrie has a job as long as he wants it
So really, the decision lies with Petrie.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I really think Chris Webber
needs to be involved within our organization in some capacity, preferably as an asst. coach. There’s just too many life lessons that C-Webb went through here in Sacramento that would benefit DeMarcus. C-Webb probably has the cred to get into DMC’s head to help him put it all together.
by Smills9133 on Jan 2, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Great idea
I think C-Webbs experience is GS might even be closer to whats happening here.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I like your idea of bringing C-Webb to Sacramento, Smills.
Lets just make him the the head coach and call it good. Kings can show Westphal the door and C-Webb can wish him “good luck.”
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
You say that but I think CWebb says
“We’re not talking about me and Paul Westphal in the same sentence”
時國王驕奢，不遵典憲。 《後漢書》
I'm not sure that CWebb
wants to work for the Maloofs. It would create a potential conflict of interest IF he is involved in a buy out.
Let's see, How am I going to punish Boogie...
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 7:31 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
And yes,
This is PW during game time.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Amazing
I can’t think of any reason why he would cover his eyes and be pointing during a game.
Maybe its a play called “Run our usual stuff!”?
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
by Dirkula on Jan 2, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's code for run 1-4 flat.
Purveyor of Bull Plop
Caption
“Hey look, Adriene Maloof… AHHH MY EYES…”
by chenp22 on Jan 3, 2012 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Caption
Let´s see who gets a seat in the doghouse today…
"When a player continually, aggressively, lets it be known that he is unwilling/unable to embrace traveling in the same direction as his team, it cannot be ignored indefinitely."
Bottom of the division. I believe it’s this way.
by thewaterispoison on Jan 3, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
What I find interesting about this whole debacle
is the information gleaned from it in terms of the trade value of DeMarcus. It’s pretty blatant that Houston and Detroit have the hots for DeMarcus. IMO, IF things deteriorated to the point that the Kings felt they had to trade DeMarcus, there really is only one trade that would actually happen. I call it the Mulligan. It’d be Cousins to the Pistons for Monroe straight up. I really can’t see another trade happen, if this is ultimately what it comes down to.
That trade sets the franchise back several years
unless there are draft picks
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
There might be one
honestly. But this would be a #5 for #7 and change type deal. This is a last resort option, in no way am I condoning such actions today.
It was all a smokescreen.
PW made up the story about DMC so he could get in another lineup change. He is a brilliant man.
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by kwill on Jan 2, 2012 7:55 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
There have been some points that were raised which don’t seem to be questioned
1) Cousins actually asked for a trade
2) There is more going on than we know (therefore its worse than just Cousins’ remarks after the NY game)
3) Petrie and the Maloofs signed off verbatim on the press release by Westphal about the situation.
4) The situation would have been leaked if the FO hadn’t released the statement they had, and some reporter would have dug up all the details.
Taking these ideas to be true have been a base of evidence for many of the arguments levied against Cousins, but with the exception of Exhibit G’s opinion, almost no one seems to challenge them.
For issues #1 and 2, I don’t think anyone outside of the immediate situation in the organization really has a clue what the context of Cousins conversations with Westphal have been. There have been plenty of times at work, where if a part of or even a full sentence were taken out of context and presented to someone else, they’d wonder why I wasn’t fired. I don’t trust Paul Westphal to be completely honest when it comes to such a touchy and emotional topic while the team is struggling and his job may be on the line. I don’t think he may be completely lying, but stretching the truth would certainly be possible. Without him/them releasing more information and then just taking Cousins with them on the trip to Memphis just adds to my suspicions about it all. Cousins and his agent continually denying any request also doesn’t help.
On issue #3, I have reservations about going along with the idea that Petrie knew what would be written. I’m fine with at the very least believing that Petrie was aware of arguments between Cousins and Westphal and was ok with Westphal announcing that Cousins needed to sit for 1-3 games to work out their differences after a couple of losses. From his standpoint, he can’t do much after the announcement is made by Westphal to control the situation other than stay silent and do some in-house stuff. Additionally, as others have said, I have never seen a coach take an action like this. It seems very odd and I have a hard time taking the release at face-value.
Issue #4 actually seems almost easy to refute, as I can point to the recent Sloan-Deron Williams fiasco as something that was dealt with silently by the FO and those involved. Nevermind whether you think it was right or wrong to do what anyone did (Deron, Sloan, the FO), but even now fans don’t have a good idea of what went down. Timing-wise, and knowing how Jerry Sloan conducted himself, lots of people have made logical conclusions, but no reporter has come out saying "I dug it up, Deron talked shit on Sloans mom and he went home crying" (sorry for the sarcasm, couldn’t resist). Right now, reviewing everything that the FO, Sloan, and Williams have said, it actually seems just as likely that Sloan was tired of coaching, and Phil Johnson didn’t want to continue on in his 70s without him (those two were best buds). I believe that’s how it happens a lot in the NBA. In-house stuff happens…people argue, fight…but its all resolved without the outside really knowing what happened because no one releases statements like this.
I guess I just don’t agree with how the speculation surrounding the situation seems to have taken off into more and more conclusions about the FO, Cousins, and Westphal. Really just seems like something I can’t for the life of me wrap my head around. Confusing as all hell.
WTF is up KINGS fans
Obviously Westphal is garbage. He looks like he’s on prozac and the players obviously don’t have faith in the man’s leadership, BUT why do you all keep treating Big Cuz like he needs to be sucking off your titty still. His attitude on the court and OFF is piss poor. He plays a finesse game when he’s 270 lbs. Man the F up DMC. Im tired of seeing these posts of how talented he is. Talent doesn’t doesn’t win championships. We all just talk about going to the playoffs. We are here to win a championship. We have 0 in Sacramento!!! The attitude needs to change. It starts with the coach, but stop standing up for cousins like he’s your 12 year old niece. Proffesionals with drive and determination win championships. Google DMC’s diet during this last off season and watch this clown talk. His whole life is a joke. Trade this simp for a draft pick AND fire westphal. I’m tired of this garbage basketball with no offensive playbook.
Sigh...
But somehow DMC came into the season much lighter and more in shape than before…
I think you need to take baby steps. Playoffs come before championships.
Yes, coaching and teamwork wins championships. But talent does win championships.
This guy would like to have a word with you.
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And no. Not Chris Rock. The guy he’s making fun of. Even though I despise him, I cannot deny he’s got talent. I will never equate DMC with Kobe, or even say that he has that potential. Too early for that.
But what do you think another draft pick will do? By the time we get more draft picks, contracts from our previous players will expire. And do you really think they’ll want to stick around if the team needs to “re-gel” every year?
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
if you're talking about where he said he eats
funnel cakes, fried chicken, gummy works, etc. you clearly need to check the batteries in your sacrasm meter.
He's got good taste in one department.
by Scott Section 213 on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And that department
Sure isn’t shirt/tie/blazer combos.
Yikes.
by Rickyflip on Jan 3, 2012 4:01 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
The jacket is a different color than the pants
that whole outfit is atrocious. Good thing he’s rich and can pay other people to dress him now.
Could be my bad taste but don’t think his outfit is that bad. A different tie could have pulled the whole outfit together much better though.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jan 3, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
the only thing that can remotely attempt to pull that combo together is the chick
You just can’t wear those pants with that jacket
by lchristmas on Jan 3, 2012 10:12 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I recommend
Energizer. They seem to last longer than my Duracell ones for me.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
U mad bro? Cause
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
lol!
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
FWIW
Rocket’s Patrick Patterson,who says he talks w/Cousins almost every day,after checking in w/Cousins:
"It’s just problems in Sac-town," Patterson said. "That’s all it is."
Patterson said he did not know if Cousins will remain with the Kings and did not say if Cousins had confirmed or denied requesting a trade.
"Great question," Patterson said when asked if he thought Cousins would stay. "I wish I knew."
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/01/rockets-patterson-would-love-to-be-reunited-with-kings-cousins-in-houston/
As a Rockets fan,I sort of have a rooting interest in dysfunction in the Tyreke/Cousins relationship,but d***,I thought it would be between the two fighting to be the Man,not the Coach throwing Cousins out the bus,then backing over him a couple of times. It’s personal w/Westphal:
"I think DeMarcus has to do some soul searching and decide if he’s going to join me in a way that’s desirable and acceptable to this organization." Join ME,not the team,not the Organization,ME.
If Cousins thought this would blow over and he’d be staying in Sacramento,I would assume he’d tell Patterson that.
And whatever Westphal may have meant/intended,I imagine Cousin’s agent will soon enough be asking for a trade. At which point the Kings will be well and truly effed.
He could request a trade all he wants.
Doesn’t mean the Kings will have to trade him.
Kobe requested a trade, then changed his mind.
Just last night, a poster was talking about Hakeem not being to keen on the Rockets early in his career.
Guys can make these statements and then back off them.
When Westphal is gone after this year, I and fully expect him to be, if not sooner, we shall see who the Kings can find to coach. These problems might just clear themselves up in the long run.
Things can improve quicker than we realize sometimes.
We’ll just have to wait and see.
by Jimmy Martin on Jan 2, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
HAKEEM
I remember the HAKEEM days and there was way less media. Maybe HAKEEM was a problem, but in todays era this is OVER.
Didn't Chris Webber
not want to come to the kings after that trade? Didn’t his dad have to have a talk with him? Players can definitely change their minds on that sort of thing. But if the fight is personal with the coach, it might be a little different.
BRING BACK SANTA CLARA FOOTBALL
Exactly
Cousins is 4 games away from being a rookie. He is out bitch for the next few years. He needs to suck it up and play with the team or complain and mess up his chances for his big contract, whether the big contract is with us or not.
I tend to ramble on,but
If Cousin’s formally asks for a trade,and genuinely wants out,you don’t think that will be a problem? If the events known were just the “tip of the iceberg”,what do you think is going to happen w/a Cousins who just doesn’t give a flying eff about whatever his coach,teammates or Management says?
Players who ask for a trade,usually get traded. Ask Kevin Martin.
Kobe wasn’t,but he was the face of the Franchise and his demand spurred the Lakers into action. OTOH Odom asked to be traded and he was gone. In Sacramento,Tyreke is more Kobe and Cousins more Odom.
Things may get papered over,but the next time,looking bleak. Jeez,Petrie came out and said that while letting Cousins go on the trip they still had things they disagreed with.
Selfishly I sorta want the situation to explode so my Rockets can get Cousins(altho w/major misgivings),but deep down I’d rather things work out in Sacramento as I like having more really good teams in the NBA more. A mature Cousins,a Tyreke understanding how to make the team better,a caretaker,defending PG who can knock down 3s,a complementary SF and a quality PF so Chuck can be the third big,and you are there.
Of course he said "Trade Me", he probably didn't mean it, but I bet he thought about it
No one wants to come to Sacramento, look at what we ended up with in FA and trades. We’ve got money to throw away and still no one wants to take it.
If no one want to come here, do you think that the players we have now want to be here. I’ll bet PW wants to be somewhere else right now. But, just like the PO had to back him to save face and prove that the teams wasn’t being lead by a mad man. PW probably feels he’s got to stick it out to the bitter end if he’s to ever get a job in pro ball again.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
How about Cuz for Lowry and Budinger.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Excellent observation. I missed that.
“I think DeMarcus has to do some soul searching and decide if he’s going to join me in a way that’s desirable and acceptable to this organization.” Join ME,not the team,not the Organization,ME.
I guess Westphal threw the team out the bus along with DMC. You’re right, Tisbee. It does appear to be very personal to Westphal.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
“It’s just problems in Sac-town,” Patterson said. “That’s all it is.”
Ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
by wallywagon11 on Jan 3, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Lets start a post
Name some players in history that have been a problem to the team that drafted them into the league but led their teams to conference finals later in their career with the same team. AI is the only one I can think of. TRADE Cousins. Its a lost cause unless he is going to change history. The bridge has already been burned. I am sure he will be a great player, BUT thanks to his own bull&*^ attitude and our out of date coach this will never work.
WEBBER
look at CW. He had a problem with Nelson when he first came into the league. He was still a problem in Washington. He needed to grow up. He ended up being a great player that wasn’t clutch. I love you CW, but we all know its the truth.
I don't know
Where you get the idea that C-Webb wasn’t clutch. He was one of the best men at his position. What is your determination for being a “clutch player?” Just curious as to where you’re basing these statements.
I mean, I can list players that were malcontents that had lots of talent that appeared in the late playoffs. Dennis Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, to name two.
But please don’t make statements like “We all know it’s the truth” when it’s only your opinion.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Righttttt
So by your statements, Kendrick Perkins is a clutch player because he has a ring, even if he was riding others to do so.
5× NBA All-Star (1997, 2000–2003)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1994)
All-NBA First Team (2001)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1999, 2002–2003)
All-NBA Third Team (2000)
Consensus NCAA All-American First Team (1993)
Mr. Basketball of Michigan (1991)
#4 Retired by the Sacramento Kings
Looks pretty great to me. If you’re going to take his years in Sac, the playoffs versus the Lakers, and blowing his knee out, and call him not clutch, then you’re either shallow, because you think that what completely defines an NBA player, or you’re a troll. Thank you and good day.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 2, 2012 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget Adam Morrison is clutch too! He has a ring ;)
by ap3604 on Jan 2, 2012 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Who's Adam Morrison?
Oh, you mean this guy?
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 3, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
C-Webb
like most players, see Duncan , Kobe etc, stunk in the playoffs at first then got better.
C-Webb followed the same path.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Rodman?Wallace?
Rodman stayed in line with the Pistons. He had a team ordered psych doctor. Wallace didn’t do jack ish with the Bullets. Re-Read the post. I didn’t say there was no hope for DMC. He just needs to grow up and it’s not going to be with the kings. When I say clutch I think of Montana, Jordan, Wade. CWebb and clutch don’t go hand in hand. Bibby hit the BIG game winners. Webber career game winners 6 for 19. 31%. OMG hes on fire!!! Never hit a playoff winner OHHH FOR!!!
I may have missed it, but I really only remember Bibby hitting 1 big game winner
Vs LA. I know it was a big game, but can Bibby really be clutch for 1 shot?
yeah, you missed it
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by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Bibby was the player, who caught my attention and turned me into a basketball fan 10 years ago with his clutch play.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Barking up the wrong tree
I didn’t ask for Webber’s stats. CW was a great player. Just when I think of clutch players Webber does not come to mind. Now if this was a discussion of most clutch players in KINGS Franchise. Then yes. Webber is there.
Whoa whoa whoa! No way!
Preface: I started out this and you wrote your other comment-But here it is anyway. But you were writing about DMC and how Webber didn’t develop on those teams until he came into Sac. And then you listed about how he “Wasn’t clutch”. Maybe I"m not connecting the points, but I fail to see how him “not being clutch in your opinion” has anything to do with him maturing on another team.
And the stats of those “clutch players” you probably think about -
Kobe’s career average for game winners (as of 2009) was 14/56, or 0.25.
Guess Webb’s in pretty good company then.
Oh, and by the way. Dwayne Wade? As of 2009, also from the same stats…
11/40 Career. 2/2 were in playoffs. So yeah. I definitely think of Wade a lot, seeing all the shots he’s taken throughout his career.
So C-Webb had a better percentage of game winners than Kobe and Wade.
Point is, you can’t base greatness off of “being clutch” as you define it. Yes, Bibby hit clutch shots, some game winners, but he’s relatively faded into obscurity. So let’s not use your definition of clutch, shall we? There are great players, and not great players.
Oh but yes, by all means, our PF should be the one taking long range shots with players like Peja and Bibby who were 3 point shooters if you wanted to consider him clutch. (Even though he did hit that 3 point game winner vs. the Bucks)
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You know what, youre RIGHT
I used clutch in the wrong context. I was using the word clutch based off just game winners. Webber did show up in big games. I love CW, don’t get me wrong. Did I say Kobe? I don’t appreciate you affiliating me with that douchebag. To the point. All I am trying to say is I think DMC is past the point of no return for the Kings. I don’t recall young players with early team problems pulling it together with the same team. Maybe A.I. I can’t stand Cousins’ on the court effort and expressions. Westphal is an idiot and I understand Cousins’ antics towards the coach, but this isn’t hs or college anymore. Everyone hates their boss at times, but if you can’t do what is being asked of you them it is time to transfer. SACK UP.
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by glazier_25 on Jan 3, 2012 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You just created your account so you could come on here and be a troll and now your making personal insults bhallofgame? Chill…
by ap3604 on Jan 3, 2012 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
HarveySpecter do you taste that? It taste’s like VICTORY! ;)
by ap3604 on Jan 3, 2012 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Victory will taste even better when this team moves to Socal
if we don’t pull it together soon
I think that is more based on a new arena and funding, not team record or ticket sales
I could be wrong tho…
by ap3604 on Jan 3, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
So you're under the impression that the Maloofs
have nothing to do with how this team has tanked and disassembled?
I would
be careful, your replies are getting a little too close to trolling and getting personal, which will get you booted.
While you have your fun, I will bring that umbrella that Westphal seems to use to deflect all the attention away from him.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
by HarveySpecter on Jan 3, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
BHALLofGAME is nothing but a troll, he JUST created his account in order to come on here and talk smack. I’ll simply report him to the mod’s to take out the trash. I suggest others do the same…
by ap3604 on Jan 3, 2012 12:34 AM PST up reply actions
If you report BHALLofGAME
the Wizard will curse you
Tisdale will roll over in his grave (God Bless the Man)
and Lionel Simmons will get recurring tendanitis from playing too much 2k12
These are your first 14 comments?
Slow start my friend. I suggest you read for a while, learn, and then start commenting. Hopefully , then you will write something worth reading
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
but it was funny
how adelman was gone after the second downtown stadium proposal was shut down. But yeah, this has nothing to do with the organization. Just funding.
Maloofs have no say in the arena
We get the funding and we stay, otherwise they are free to go. KJ doesn’t even bother inviting the Maloofs to the meetings since he only really needs to impress David Stern and the NBA. Win-loss and ticket sales don’t matter to the Sacramento arena. As long as Kevin Johnson does his thing we will be able to watch our western conference bottom feeder for years to come.
He's not worth the effort at this point
wait for him to flame out
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 3, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Any predictions
for what is to come during the game tomorrow?
by ThomasGQ on Jan 3, 2012 12:37 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I predict
After the 40 pt whooping that the grizz took by the bulls, they are going to be happy to see us. I also predict to see reke skip down the court a few times, Salmons dribble into the corner, and Thorton moan and pout entirely too much. Hopefully Grant can sugarcoat all of this. Kings won’t cover the spread. I hope I’m wrong.
Dmc wont learn
This type of outburst from dmc will still happen again soon… Thats just the type of person he is…. I would really listen to offers and once a good deal is there, i would definitely pull the trigger… And please fire westphal… These 2 bums need to go!
by pakyubai on Jan 3, 2012 2:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
So...
What’d I miss?
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
BHALLofGAME
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 3, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
Just read the comments. lol
BTW,
HAPPY NEW YEAR STR! I know it’s kinda late but I try. :D
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Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Thanks to those members that took time to flag inappropriate comments
Greatly appreciated.
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This pic on ESPNs frontpage is great
“You. Me. Chest Bump. Thursday Night.”
by thewaterispoison on Jan 3, 2012 9:53 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
It looks like Westphal is making a fart sound in DMC's ear.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Caption
PW – “Wow, nice rack.”
DMC – “Coach, my eyes are up here.”
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by section214 on Jan 3, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Continuation -
Now that’s what I call a lineup.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Mel Gibson , hanging from sprinkler lines
with water and jumper cables nearby , in the first leathal weapon comes to mind when i see this pic ,lol .
Cousins, Cousins, Cousins
Pleeease start straightening that head out. Madcap Bull in a china shop crazy is not a good thing – ever. Do you really want Ron-Ron’s career, full of might-have-beens and jokes?
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by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
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