Been hearing reliable rumblings since trip to Reno for D-League Showcase that Jazz have made it known Devin Harris is available via trade
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Who can we give them??
Harris for Salmons straight up works, but Utah wouldn’t do that. Not sure who else I’d want to trade for him…
Jimmer AND Salmons would work
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I'd do Jimmer & Salmons in a heartbeat
by Allbenji on Jan 20, 2012 7:06 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you guys have watched Harris lately
by wallywagon11 on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
exactly...
I live in Utah right now so I hear a lot about the Jazz. Harris has been absolutely atrocious this season.
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At least we know he has it in him to be great
It would be worth giving up Salmons and Jimmer, we wouldn’t really be losing anything
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 20, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Be careful what you wish for...
Grass is always greener.
I’m not so sure giving up Salmons and Jimmer would be a wise move.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Maybe not Jimmer, I spoke too soon on that
but I will never regret getting rid of Salmons. Of course, then, there is no way the Jazz do that deal
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not that keen on Devin Harris
A few years ago, maybe.
Salmons, for all my criticism of him, I know he can play well; at least, he has done so in the past and I don’t see any reason why he can’t continue to do so. Why he has stunk it up so much coming back – I don’t know. He did play better last night, so perhaps there is still some hope for him yet.
A quality PG. Yes, we could use that. I just fear Harris is not our man and we might regret picking him up. Our FO needs to be selective and not reflexively pick up guys they are going to regret.
Why would you say there is no way the Jazz would do the deal?
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Salmons was pretty much the same last night
he just happened to hit two back to back shots (first time this season?) when it counted. He was 1-5 before that, pretty typical Salmons night. However I give him credit for stepping up for once, also giving Smart credit for running plays for him that got him out of his habit of just sitting and watching in the corner. Hopefully this gets him motivated to start moving around more and it creates better production
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
His back-to-back shots didn't hurt.
There were other things he was doing on the floor that gave the impression he was more into the game. Was it Cisco who was hoping Smart was going to keep him in the game? Shows his teammates care enough about him.
By the way, I don’t know how you felt about Salmons when he was here before he got traded. I know a lot of the posters didn’t think much of him at the time he was traded and were glad to see him go. I had a higher opinion of him, feeling he was playing at a higher level than others were giving him credit.
So, I hope he gets his act together and begins to play well again.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I liked John last time he was here
I was disappointed when he got traded. I just didn’t think he was what this team needed when we got him back. I still don’t. I know John can still play I just don’t think he fits and his contract is horrendous. As long as he is here he will look like crap because he doesn’t fit. That will make it even more difficult to trade him. He will have his moments but they won’t be often.
by Allbenji on Jan 21, 2012 12:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lol - I'm still trying to figure out how they thought he was going to
be a good fit when they (Petrie and Westphal) brought him back.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I can't read minds but here's my thinking
Beno was a defensive liability and no better than Tyreke in running the offense. We had Thornton for scoring but he too was a defensive liability. We drafted Jimmer but he wasn’t going to be ready in a lockout shortened season, and even if we didn’t know for sure it was likely that there would be a lockout based and past history.
Beno, Tyreke and Jimmer weren’t going to be able to share the PG minutes, so they decided to go after a defensive 2 who could hit the outside shot. Play Tyreke at the 1 with Jimmer as his backup. Play AK47 at the 3 and Hayes and Cuz down low and you have the best defensive team that the Kings have had since the early 2000’s.
But, Kirilenko threw a monkey wrench in the plan by staying in Russia and the Kings got Thomas unexpectedly in the draft. With a normal preseason giving him time to prepare to play, Salmons would have been fine in the backcourt with Tyreke. He can drive and hit the outside shot and plays good defense. Unfortunately, he’s having to play the 3 and has to get into game shape in real games like everyone else.
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I wasn't disappointed that they traded him
but I was disappointed that they chose to give him up for nothing just to rid us of Miller who was still a good backup center.
I think either people were expecting more from GP than acquiring John, or they were expecting more from the new starting SF than John has given.
I don’t see him as being any worse than anyone we’ve had at the 3 over the last few years, and it’s not even his natural position. I still think Kirilenko was supposed to start at the 3 and the plan was to have John backup the 2 & 3 or start at the 2.
League wide scoring is down, even the vets need training camp and preseason. Salmons is shooting just around his career average from 2pt range (currently 43.6%). It’s his 3pt shooting that’s down and it’s 3pt shooting from the SF that this team looks for because Tyreke is so bad and none of our bigs can hit the corner 3.
I think Salmons long range shot will be back soon (37%+) and then the world will be right again and GP will be a genius.
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I think he can be a great player if he wants to be
I just don’t think he wants to be here, and is mailing it in
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
We agree on this.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I just think he doesnt like to stand in the corner all night, waiting for the ball.
He will be much happier when he gets a few plays called for him, like he did last night at the end of the Spurs game.
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Him standing in the corner is his own doing
just because the play isn’t called for you doesn’t mean you just stand around and watch. I think it’s good on Smart to start to get on him to move around and take shots from the elbow
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you
I’ve been watching the Jazz to check out their young forwards and Harris’ game has regressed. He was good a few years ago, but in 2012 he still can’t shoot and he doesn’t even attack the basket any more.
by Kevin Conroy on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
I dont think you have seen Jimmer and Salmons lately.
HA HA HA……. Oh wait… Salmons made 2 clutch shots tonight. With that being said, Id trade Salmons and Jimmer for Devon Harris in a heart beat.
by ridingthebench on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't
Harris is hot trash. If it weren;t for the extra year on his deal, I doubt I’d look into Salmons for Harris.
The grass isn’t always greener fellas, Harris is brown and dead weight now.
Jimmer and Salmons
Would be able to gain more than just Harris, BUT maybe that would be a starting point to talks involving Favors/Millsap included..
by Chent on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
oh wait! I thought you meant Deron Williams! My bad...suggestion withdrawn.
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Why has Devin Harris been sucking so bad the last couple years?
3 years ago he was 20pts 9ast a night for the Nets.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 20, 2012 7:14 AM PST reply actions
and he doesn't play with Vince any more
It sounds crazy but I’m telling you, when he had Vince in the backcourt it took a lot of pressure off. Vince was still good back then, could slash but also catch and shoot and handle in certain spots. So Devin was free to play more aggressive/reckless. Without a 20ppg capable SG next to him he’s not the same dude.
by Kevin Conroy on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
No thanks
i’d rather give the PT to Thomas. Someone like the Lakers should gamble on Harris.
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did you see him last night?
so many bad decisions.
He’d be perfect here!
by wallywagon11 on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
how about salmons and a maloof to be named later?
by gaindeyouth on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Harris wouldn't be a bad running mate with Evans
He’s due $8.5m next year and then becomes a free agent. If the cost was Salmons and Fredette, I’d at least consider it. Harris gives you the one and half that would work with Tyreke being a one and a half, and Thornton becomes your 6th man. Thomas is your pace changer, and they all get minutes if you “go small” for about 10 minutes a game.
No doubt, Harris has been awful in Utah. But if the risk here is minimal due to his contract, and you jettison Salmons. And while I know that Salmons would be eligible for amnesty this off season, the fact is that the Maloofs will have to still pay him if they amnesty him, so there is no assurance that they would ever pull the trigger.
Why you don’t do it – Because at the end of the day, he’s not that much of an upgrade over Udrih, so as a franchise you would have basically given your #7 pick away to go from Beno to Harris. Ugh.
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That would suck
But you have to admit the mistake & fix it. Rather than trying to cover it up by forcing Salmons down our throat. I would only do it if Salmons was included.
by Allbenji on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Salmons can be amnestied. Way too early to close book on Jimmer - we just finished normal NBA preseason
I agree with Section. Just not a good deal.
This is a deal that only new management would make
No way that current management would take the hit.
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I disagree about the Maloofs not amnestying Salmons.
The Salary can be spread out over 7 years instead of 3. With the revenue sharing and selling off of assets, this is a hit the Maloofs can afford to make. If you can trade him GREAT. But don’t take back junk and don’t add assets. That’s just adding insult to injury.
Heh heh
…this is a hit the Maloofs can afford to make.
Best laugh I’ve had all day.
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by section214 on Jan 20, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, youre talking about the new "Stretch clause" not the "amnesty clause"
Stretch clause lets us spread the money over up to 7 years.
Amnesty clause lets us give him a check and a boot print on his ass.
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And stretch clause
Can only be used on players signed after the new CBA.
by Chent on Jan 20, 2012 5:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Nah
No way you can give up on Jimmer yet, unless you’re getting something really good back. Even if it means getting rid of Salmons in the deal. Worse comes to worse, they can amnesty Salmons in the offseason.
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Agreed
Though I am still 50/50 on whether the organization in its present form would amnesty Salmons.
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Yeah, that's definitely the rub
I’m still a bit confused though on the dollars side – if they amnesty Salmons, doesn’t the salary they pay him still get counted towards getting to the salary minimum?
It’s hard to imagine anyone would pick him up in the amnesty process, especially the way he played last season (and moreso if he repeats that performance this season).
Any thought that they use the amnesty provision to pay MORE dollars out is pretty out there.
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If they amnesty Salmons, it frees up cap space
But they would still have to pay him his money. In other words, it winds up costing the Maloofs more money, as they would now have to replace that salary to attain the minimum salary level. This is why I think that they would “Kenny Thomas” him instead of taking amnesty on him. They’re going to have to pay him either way, but if they don’t take amnesty they actually save money…at the expense of putting a more competitive product on the floor.
But that could never happen, right?
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The amnestied money CAN count towards the minimum threshold.
So it’s just a way of spreading out Salmons contract over a longer period of time 2 times + 1 year = 7 years for John minus the cost of a team that claims him on waivers(which I think is likely by some teamlooking for a push on the wings).
The Key with Salmons is to not take a bad contract back, and to not include any assets. He’s worth more amnestied than dealt in many instances until he starts play like vintage John, IF ever that happens.
That's what I was thinking
I can see them amnestying Salmons if it still allows them to use his salary towards the cap minimum…then not signing anyone additional.
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Would that be "giving up" on Jimmer?
Even at his best is Jimmer a solid starting PG in this league? Or just a really good back-up 2? My point is if we don’t need a good back-up 2 I see it as trading for a need. Not so much “giving up”
No you can argue Harris isn’t a quality starting PG anymore. Which is fine, but given the opportunity I would trade Jimmer for a solid Ray Felton type PG based on need.
by Allbenji on Jan 20, 2012 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I would consider trading Jimmer for a starting PG
that could be on the team and starting for the next 3-5 years. I don’t want to trade any young player with promise for a one or two year rental at best or another backup.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 20, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather Amnesty Salmons
And sign Aaron Brooks than do that deal amongst other alternatives.
There are so many other BETTER alternatives than giving up a lotto pick 15 games into his rookie season, just to shed 1 year off of Salmons deal.
We have had Jimmer for 15 games
I am not prepared to give him up for Devin Harris. The best case scenario with Harris is we win a few more games this season which eventually prevents us from drafting Barnes, Drummond, possibly Davis or any of the other top prospects who could help us make the playoffs in the future.
BTW, Steph Curry started off slow in Oakland with a full training camp under his belt. In his first 15 games or so he averaged 9 and 5. Jimmer is averaging 7 and 2 on a terrible shooting team playing less minutes.
Very well said in every part
Curry was also shooting 40% and he was in a Nellie offense with a full pre-season, not in a PW offense with almost no practices between games after almost no pre-season.
Not saying Jimmer will make the leap Curry did, but it’s a consequence of the 24-7 obsession with over-analyzing everything that people feel the need to jump to a conclusion about a rookie this early in the season.
Salmons and Hickson and Jimmer for Harris, Favor and Evans With Sacramento getting the Trade Exceptions
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almost sounds legit
I’d crap my pants out of happiness if we saw that kind of deal but sadly don’t think it’s remotely close to happening
by wallywagon11 on Jan 20, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Would you still do this if instead of Evans it was Kanter Or Miles instead?
Salmons,Hickson and Jimmer for Harris, Favor and Kanter/Miles With Sacramento getting the Trade Exceptions
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You like Evans THAT much??? Really?
He’s just a pogo-stick skinny big. Those guys come around often enough.
Miles could be our starting SF. Personally, I like Kanter but he’s nowhere near NBA conditioning quite yet.
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Thats the type of deal I was thinking of
No way do you trade Salmons and Jimmer to UTAH just for Harris. Id rather have Mo Williams and I’m pretty sure LAC would take package any day for MO.
by Chent on Jan 20, 2012 11:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
you absolutely would if Favors and Evans came along with him
and it’s not even close
by wallywagon11 on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
And Utah gets jimmer and all his money making goodness..If they want i would even throw in Whiteside
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Why would Utah do that?
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
The ESPN Trade Machine does a vomit sound any time you try to include Salmons in any trade...
…Or am I just hearing things?
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by Wonderchild on Jan 20, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
To me Jimmer for Harris
has the feeling of Martin for TopHat. I know the players aren’t the same, but I could see us down the road having nothing to show for the deal while Jimmer shines for another team.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Oh and by the way, there's a chance that the Kings could trade for Parker after tonights game
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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 20, 2012 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
Why wait until AFTER he carves up our defense?
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I don't get why so many Kings fans seem high on Harris
He’s not a true PG. He’s a low shooting percentage combo guard which is exactly what this team doesn’t need. I just don’t see where he’d fit in.
Please No
Let’s not give up on a lottery pick after sixteen games, in exchange for one more year on a player who is playing really badly and doesn’t show much promise. And the last thing we need is another low shooting percentage combo (read: “shoot first”) guard.
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