Celtics to blow it up? Kings as suitors?
by DWeissbart on Jan 21, 2012 1:39 PM PST
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PrintI was just curious as to everyone's opinion on whether the Kings should be in trade talks with the Celtics if they decide to blow it up. Personally, I don't see their big three having much trade value due to a combination of age and contract size, so I think a team like the Kings could make a move at one of their big three and pretty much just absorb the contract while also giving up a project player (Hassan, Honeycutt, etc.). It is very possible that I am delusional, but I just don't see a team offering anything special to the Celtics for a rental on Garnett (21 million), Allen (11 million), or Pierce (3 years at 15 million). I think having KG would be beneficial to Cousins' development, would add leadership and would be a good guy to run the half court offense through (I'd give up Hickson for KG, seeing as we can only resign one of Hickson and JT, and JT has shown more consistency). Having Allen would be great to add a shooter and a guy who is not looking to dribble the ball (good stretch player, consistency, etc.). While Pierce would probably make the most sense on the Kings position wise, he doesn't make too much sense for the team contract wise (as his contract would be in the way when it came time to re-sign Tyreke; though, maybe it would be fine because he would be off the books the year DeMarcus' contract hike went into affect).
Anyways, just want to hear some opinions. I think KG, Pierce, or Allen on the Kings would each add much needed leadership as well as something else unique to the team. And again, maybe I'm crazy, but if their record remains bad and they do actually look to make trades, I just don't see a long line of teams hungry (or monetarily capable) of grabbing them (and therefore, I think we could pretty much just act as a contract absorber).
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I would love, love, love Allen on this team
if only for the veteran leadership he’d provide, and how much our young guards in Tyreke, Marcus and Jimmer could learn from him, particularly off-the-ball.
I’d be down for offering him a lucrative two or three year deal next year when he becomes a free agent.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 21, 2012 2:07 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Was just about to post something similar, but you beat me too it
Not sure he has three years left, but having him for a year or two would be great. He also seems like a good candidate to become a coach after he retires.
Allen has made the most incredible transition from young, athletic guard,
to solid-to-awesome veteran.
Seriously, EVERYONE can learn from the guy. Playing the cards you are dealt to perfection.
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 21, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not bagging on you specifically, but this cracks me up....
Two years ago, I was on this site screaming for us to overpay (if necessary) for Ray Allen as I saw him as EXACTLY what we needed – perimeter scoring, good passing, and outstanding leadership.
Needless to say I was roundly mocked for my position. (with a few exceptions.) He was too old, we were up and coming, why would we want a veteran on our young team, he’ll take leadership from Tyreke….. and so on…
Now it is entirely likely that he would not have signed here (which I admitted at the time), but it struck me as idiotic that we made no attempt. Money encourages athletes. Ray Allen would have been a legitimate overpayment – FAR more legitimate than our litany of garbage overpayments – Salmons, Outlaw, Derek Smith, Wayman Tisdale (a good player – not remotely worth the money we gave him), the offer to Bonzi Wells (thank god he turned it down), etc. We have always overbid against ourselves to retain our own players.
While I’d still ‘like’ Allen, he is two years older, and giving him a 2-3 year deal at 37 is a lot less rational than the same deal at 35.
Yeah...I remember we were the only 2 on this side of the debate at the time
You could somewhat compare to the Vlade signing at a less-significant level. We needed a voice from a player that the rest of the team could respect. This team has no identity for the last 3 years and while Cisco may be the “on-the court and in the lockerroom leader” he hardly holds any credibility at the NBA level for being a leader and taking a team to glory. Ray Allen could have provided that at slightly less than John Salmons money.
Dannyboy
He IS too old for us in any rational way
But we’ve gotten hungry for some wins
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by lietothegirls on Jan 23, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions
It would have been a dumb move then
Not because he’s not a good player. But because you were essentially putting caviar on a Twinkie. He would not have been happy here. The team didn’t have the pieces to do anything with or without him. And while he is a very good player, he is not the kind of draw that would sell more tickets. What is the point to win another game or two?
Next year is a much better year to go after a player like that. You have enough young talent to interest a proven PG. You are looking to take the leap into the playoffs. The young guys have a better handle on their roles. Win, win, win.
And, yes, I have tried caviar on a Twinky, and they both tasted like crap.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Just to clarify
Not saying you are dumb for wanting to make the move. Just that I don’t see how it would have benefited us then.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Thanks.
I do appreciate it.
Likewise – its just hoop. I argue because that’s what we tend to do as fans, but it isn’t meant to be mean.
Ha!
It’s a pretty nasty combination.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I don't see how it is ANY more rational now.
We STILL suck – badly.
You are hugely mistaken if you think that Allen would have signed with us and then been a malingerer.
We could have used his locker room presence then just as much as we need it now.
Where did I say Allen would have been a malingerer?
Depending on the night, we actually have two players that could arguably start on most teams in Evans and Cousins. WE did not have that two years ago. At his age, Allen is the final piece you put in a puzzle, not the piece you build around. He might not even be a good fit this year. But he was absolutely not a good fit two years ago when we didn’t have Cousins and Evans had just finished his rookie season at PG.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
Agree to disagree.
(I was inferring from your statement that he wouldn’t have been happy – if he DID sign with us, how unhappy would he have been?)
We had nothing but cap room.
Having a stud veteran is NEVER a bad thing. It would have helped the young guys immeasurably. I’m thinking that Allen on the team likely prevents Tyreke from doing something as dumb as driving 130 on the freeway and getting arrested. The team has/had NO leadership. That is why Chuck Hayes was a good signing (aside from being a good glue guy). Prior to that, who was the intelligent veteran presence…. Francisco Garcia????
I actually agree with you Hoops Mike
I don’t think you shy away from veteran talent because you’re not one piece away from the championship. It’s why many of us were pining away for a guy like Battier or Prince last season – so there would be an increased on-court leadership component.
Plus, he’s just a damn good player. As long as the contract isn’t brutal – how can that be a bad thing?
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I'm with you 100% my man!
Getting a good team player is always a good thing. “Team player” being the emphasis.
I’m really amazed that SavBeast can say that Allen was “absolutely not a good fit two years ago .” I have a diametrically opposed view. A play-making knock down perimeter guy – Kevin Martin with a better handle. Not a fit???
I had this idea three years ago
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by BobTheAutomator on Jan 22, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
I invented the Chunky candy bar
and coined the phrase ‘thickerer’ while coming home from a Meatloaf concert in 1979.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 23, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
The only player I think makes sense is Pierce
but I just don’t see it happening. The Celtics will want too much for him. Allen and Garnett would take minutes away from developing our young players. Pierce is definately a position of need and an upgrade. But at this point I am not sure he adds all that much in defense and he would definately take away shots from the other players.
As crazy as it sounds, unless we steal away a young all-star SF somewhere, I am content to see how this team develops for the year. And when I say steal I am think a Josh Smith or Luol Deng type. And let’s face it, they are not available. I think if we have patience with what we have and let Smart get his system in place we will be pleasantly surprised. No need to take on big contracts of aging superstars at this point.
youre right
And the draft is loaded with SFs. Barnes, MKG, Quincy Miller. Terrence jones and Perry Jones can play it too. It would be nice to see Pierce on the team though.
by Chent on Jan 21, 2012 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Why can't we trade for Pierce AND draft our future SF?
We would have Pierce for 2 1/2 years then on to our drafted SF. Notice how a lot of the good teams have depth. It’s good to have effective players for 48 minutes at a position.
True
I don’t think were good enough to have a lot of depth at 1 position. I think it needs to be spread in other areas, then look for depth once were good. If we were to aquire Pierce I would consider drafting a pf like Thomas Robinson or someone to fill other weaknesses on our team. I’m hoping Tyler Honeycutt will eventually come around, he can be good on this team, Athletic, Defensive minded, shotblocking/rebounding ability, decent improvable shot, good court vision… BUT he still has a ways to go.
by Chent on Jan 21, 2012 3:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think we even have our #1 this year.
Didn’t Petrie throw it away to acquire JJ Hickson?
I see that it is lottery protected.
Lord knows that we are going to be ion the Lottery again……….
Is there really a PF you'd worry about Garnet stealing minutes from?
really?
As for developing our young talent, well, if someone could show me anything resembling a young starter at SF I’d be pretty happy.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 23, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think
Maybe try to aquire Pierce at the deadline. Him with our draft pick around 10 (such a solid deep draft, someone real good will be there) and internal development we are 1 of the top good young teams. Id try to trade JJ/Hassan/Greene or Honeycutt/ Salmons maybe 2nd round draft picks..don’t think that would be enough, but if they can’t find a better package
by Chent on Jan 21, 2012 2:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Can we offer the draft pick since it's already committed to someone else should we make the Playoffs?
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
He proposed trading second round picks, which we can do
First rounder cannot be traded for the reason you stated.
The first rounder can be traded after it is clenched that we cannot make the playoffs
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 7:37 PM PST up reply actions
Pierce would make some sense,
but Garnett would do more than take up minutes. He could really mentor DMC and keep him in check. But I don’t see a logical trade involving KG that would work unless a 3rd team is involved. For Pierce, I would do JJ/JT, Salmons/Garcia, Greene and a 2nd. And we still have our amnesty for the summer if Salmons or Garcia is ineffective
KG is the last person I want around DMC
We don’t need DMC slamming his head against the basket before each game
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure anyone on the Celtics except Rondo fits in Coach Smarts uptempo scheme
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by HighTops on Jan 21, 2012 3:03 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
As well as the rather underwhelming prospects we could send for them
If the Celtics unload those players, they are going to go to teams who think a Ray Allen or KG can put them over the top towards the finals, not a team two years away from the playoffs
by MichaelMack on Jan 22, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I don't see their big three having much trade value due to a combination of age and contract size,
and probably not worth it to the kings either? Garnet is too expensive and grouchy to mentor Cousins, Allen is too expensive for a role player, and Pierce is getting up there in years with 2 more on his contract. Pierce would be nice to have but not at that price.
I’d rather develop the king’s young guys and see what happens in the draft before tying up too much money in vets.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 21, 2012 3:08 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't understand everyone assuming
just because a player is a good that he’d make a good mentor? It just doesn’t work that way. Sometimes a bad player is a great mentor because he has to work harder just to stay viable. That’s not saying Allen, Pierce, or Garnett wouldn’t be good mentors, but I don’t see anything saying they would be. If we think we need mentoring or coaching then get additional or new coaches in, but we should trade for players that will play and make our team better.
In my opinion if we are to trade for a player that would help instill leadership then try and get Nash from Pheonix. Imagine him in an up-tempo line up. Plus he is the proto-type pass first point guard. That would be fun.
Nash is in higher demand though.
Contenders want him, and his contract is smaller. We can’t take advantage of the situation as much just because we have a lot of cap room.
Rondo wouldn't be Rondo without the heavy influence of KG and Allen
which is mentioned pretty much every time a history of Rajon is brought up.
In fact numerous young Celtics have mentioned how great an influence Allen is (Baby, Telfair, a rookie who’s name I forgot, Perkins.
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Again I wonder.....
the value of “influence”. Rondo became Rondo because he had three hall of famers to pass to. Now that those players skills have declined due to age, Rondo doesn’t look as good. A passer only gets the assist if the shooter makes the basket. That’s why Tyreke’s assist numbers are not higher, he’s playing on one of the worst shooting teams in the history of the NBA thus far.
Like I said, I’d much rather trade for talent and production as opposed to a declining guy to “influence” the locker room. The biggest “influence” on a team is winning. As long as the team wins, most of the time the players, coaches and fans are all happy.
Rondo doesn't look as good?
15 points, 9.4 assists and over 5 rebounds on a team where everyone knows he’s the primary offensive option without any jumper, and he doesn’t look as good? I think he’s looked phenomenal this season.
But yeah, I’m with you on not trading talent for them. I’m more on the Aykis wagon of give Allen a big, pointless deal for a year or two to have him around after he’s done with the Celtics.
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by iashwash on Jan 21, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well....
His assist numbers are down by 2 a game from last year and his turnovers are slightly higher. Granted his rebounding and his scoring are higher. He is still a very good player, don’t get me wrong. I guess I was trying to point out that assist numbers can be a misleading stat in certain situations.
I’d be okay signing Allen, but not a big contract. I doubt he’d ever sign here in the off-season anyway. Vets like him chase more championships, not settle with being the senior member on a rebuilding project. If he leaves Boston I bet he signs someplace like OKC or even Miami, perhaps even New York.
+1
Rondo wouldn’t be Rondo without the heavy influence of KG and Allen
I watched every game Rondo played in college. He was selfish with the ball and reputed to be a problem in the locker room. He became the player that he is because he ended up with stronger players.
we need a point guard
Come on geoff petire make some moves!unload salmons,outlaw,cisco,green.Bust a move!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jan 21, 2012 7:38 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Yessss!
Trade all of them for a star point guard! DO it. My dream scenario is watch this team grow, make their mistakes, learn then make a splash at the deadline for a good piece to move forward with this team. I think Mo Williams would be a good pickup, solid vet, good shooter, good leader for this team and still in his prime. Add that with our top 10 draft pick and were set to take off.
by Chent on Jan 21, 2012 10:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
After so many years of mediocrity aren't you sick already?
Garcia, Donte, JT, Chuck, Jimmer, Salmons, Outlaw are not starting caliber players or even reliable backups, except maybe for JT and Chuck, that can help this team get to the playoffs. Maybe you think they are but do we want to get the 8th spot and be blown out in the 1st round? It astonishes me the low expectations level of fellow Kings fans. I have no attachment to any of these players. As long as there is way to improve the team do it no matter who the name is. I will also want DMC and Tyreke to stay but the rest of them can go now if it helps the team somehow.
by LagunaKing on Jan 22, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Out of all those guys you listed
JT, Jimmer and Chuck are the only players I see as borderline starters/reserves. The way this team is growing, gaining an identity is what gets me excited. I think we have 2 borderline/potential stars in Reke and Cousins who we can build around. With 1 more high pick in this loaded draft and a veteran player who fills a need, the playoffs aren’t as far as it once was. I understand what your saying about all the mediocre players we have on this team, but with internal growth, a couple changes, and direction from a coach it will all eventually come together. The problem is its hard to aquire talent via free agency when your bad and a small market, and its hard to trade for talent when you have bad contracts/players. Look at teams like Atlanta and Memphis they’re not stacked with stars, they built through the draft and grew as a team to get where they are. We will never be able to have a team stacked with talent At every position, we need players that compliment each other and the coach seems like he can make it happen. Petrie needs to make a move by the deadline for that complimentary vet to bring this team closer, that with another high pick and I think were set. I still feel your frustration though its been to long
by Chent on Jan 22, 2012 8:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, becasue those players are in HUGE DEMAND...
I think Greene is the only one on your list that someone mught want.
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by TrojanCBB on Jan 23, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Paul Pierce would be an awesome addition
I would do Thornton and Salmons for Pierce in a heartbeat. Pierce could help this team a lot and his contract runs just about the right length so that he won’t be a one year rental but he’s expired by the time Evans and Cousins need resigning.
A lot of people are making Pierce's contact out to be worse than it is
A it would have no effect on resigning Tyreke, as they have Tyreke’s Bird rights. B, Pierce is still a top 10, maybe even top 5 player at his position. dude can still play and he would instantly make the Kings a better team. Not only that but you can’t underestimate the ticket sales, fan excitement, etc. could generate even if he is nearing the end of his career.
Pierce is still a baller.
And a great defender if I’m not mistaken. And he seems like a nice guy.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 21, 2012 11:46 PM PST reply actions
I'd be willing to look at all sorts of trade combinations to get a legit SF in here.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
I like the idea.
KG brings leadership and a commanding hand for DMC. But so far under Smart, Cousins hasn’t needed that plus Hayes is a similar role and less aggressive which is probally already perfect. Then again KG off the bench in a trade that gives up JJ, I’m happy with.
Pierce is perfect for leadership and satisfies a needed position on offense and defense. No more needed to be said, but what will we have to give up? I’d love a Salmons and Garcia trade but I don’t see that one happening.
Allen is a great too, less ideal than pierce for us, but maybe that means we can do a simple salmons/Garcia kind of deal? I don’t know how he fits on our depth chart though. I think our defense suffers if we move him to start and keep Reke and Thorton starting. He’d have to either come off the bench(but this is Jesus Shuttleworth here) or Thorton has to. And that means Greene at the 3 depending on what we give up.
I’d say Petrie should call and at least talk it out and see if something can happen. We could use any of the big three if not two of them. Pierce’s contract has 1 season left once this years up. Allen and KG are done at the end of the season. Unless we give up virtually nothing, I think we should resign whichever one of these vets we can get.
Against Nick young and Jordan crawford
And he abused them. KG would be awesome as the starting 4 next to cousins. Would probably have to give up Thorton and Thompson to get him, but it would be worth it IMO if he ended his career here. His intensity would be contagious on our team.
by elSAVinator on Jan 22, 2012 2:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm all for getting a free agent with a few more years to play
But giving up someone like MT for KG would be a pointless move unless you thought you were going to be a contender for a serious playoff run. You get a window of a couple of years at most and mortgage your future. You have to be a team like Memphis or the Clips to make that gamble pay off.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
My thoughst on this are
Nick Young and MT seem to be pretty much the same player and the Wizards aren’t going to lock him up with Crawford emerging, so we probably could sign him to the same contract we gave MT. I like Thorton, but I think their are a lot of Thortons in the NBA.
Forgive me if this is heresy,
but the more time goes by, the more I’m worried about MT’s contract. When I first read about it on this board (where we all love him because of his catalytic effect on the team last year and his late game heroics), his $8 million a year sounded fair. But as we’ve had more discussion about his role (and particularly as HighTops has written about his efficiency), I worry.
I mean, it seems like we know what we’ve got, right? A middling-efficiency scorer who doesn’t do a lot besides score. What’s his ceiling? Jamal Crawford? That might be worth $8 million a year. What’s his floor? Any of the dime-a-dozen inefficient/inconsistent scorers who can put up stats but don’t contribute to winning on a regular basis? If he starts playing like that, he’s way overpaid at $8m per.
If his ideal role is a B-Jax type sixth man (though B-Jax was probably more of a passer than MT), is $8 million the right price for a sixth man? It sounds like it’s on the high end to me.
All of which to say, his swagger is a lot of fun, but if a trade came along where we could get a good piece for Thorton, I don’t know if I’d feel like we were making a huge mistake by letting him go. I’m not even saying a great piece, but a good piece like a rental of KG for the last few years of his career.
If MT had been signed at $4 or $5 million a year, that would have been a good price for a good sixth man and I wouldn’t want to see him go. At $8 a year (technically a shade over $7.75), we have a good sixth man making a middling starter’s money. If he goes, I wouldn’t be surprised if we could replace his scoring with an $8m a year contract for someone else.
Not sure about Celts players for this team
Perhaps Allen because he brings a very valuable skill to the table and our young guys can watch what it takes to be a real pro. I don’t think KG has any desire to mentor any of our bigs. Just because he’s intense and successful himself doesn’t mean he’d be good for our bigs. He might just bully them and become oil to their water. Pierce would be nice, but I’m not sure he’d fit Smart’s uptempo game plan. He’s kind of a ball stopper like Salmons, just much more successful
Piece for me
I would love Pierce on this team. Salmons, Garcia, and Greene for Pierce and G E’Tawaun Moore. Pierce would bring a veteran scoring presence and consistency- two things the team is sorely lacking right now. Additionally, we are trading one crazy contract for another, so it’s not too bad on the books. Celts could benefit from this as well, getting serviceable pieces to keep and build from, pending returns from KG and other deals.
We aren't getting Paul Pierce.
Pierce is still a very good player. The only way we get Pierce is by giving up someone GOOD, or maybe a decent player and a first rounder – not lottery protected.
It seems to me that folks need to get realistic. Our team sucks. Good teams rarely give crappy teams gifts.
Personally, I would give the Celtics Tyreke for Pierce and their first rounder. (I’ve been clear that I think Tyreke is not ever going to be anything resembling a star.) Then I might look into trying to get Mo Williams for a reasonable deal (JT or JJ)
Just spit-balling.
Seriously don't get this
Evans has had a rookie of the year season, a mostly injured season, and less than twenty games this season where, despite coaching changes, and less than stellar help, he is still showing a 17 PER. But it is clear that he is never going to be anything close to a star. How exactly did you figure that out?
I know people hate to hear it, but Tyreke and Cousins are still young and they haven’t had great coaching. I think it’s very possible that they both could be stars. It’s just too early to know.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
True enough.
I don’t believe Tyreke will ever be a primary scorer on a good team. Hey, I could EASILY be wrong. I don’t think so though. Of course I can’t KNOW what will happen – neither can you. We are both guessing.
John Hollinger breaks down PER as an ongoing stat.
Tyreke Evans is 16.44 currently. 15 is the league average. This sets Tyreke at 101st currently. He is currently ranked in the top 3rd of the entire NBA, below such stars as Jason Smith, Byron Mullens and Jon Leuer.
I’m just kidding. I don’t necessarily think that Evans isn’t better than those guys, but I think PER is just one stat. It isn’t all-conclusive. Evan’s issues for me is what I see. I let stats inform my decision, but not ‘make’ it. I see a lot to worry about in Tyreke’s development.
Hey don't pop my balloon
I really don’t want to think we wasted our Evans pick and that our sole ROY is an average player at best.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Hey, I hear you!
Nobody was a bigger Tyreke fan than me his rookie year.
Reality came crashing down on me in year two. This had little to do with his (supposed) serious injury issues. He may very well have had some PF, but he also played most of the year. It wasn’t bad enough to keep him off the floor. My biggest issues concerned his lack of sound court judgment and his horrifically poor shooting. I see nothing really changing this year. He may have a bit more spring in his step. It isn’t that the guy won’t have a solid place in the league, but I don’t think he will be the ‘special’ player that we all so desperately wanted him to be.
I REALLY hope I’m wrong. I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I cringe whenever he pounds the rock, preparing for his move during a big possession. I scream for him to drop the ball off to a shooter – which is certainly saying something on this terrible shooting team.
You. me, and LPA are probably all screaming in unison
“Pass the freaking ball!”
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I would be FLOORED if the Celtics moved Pierce this season.
but not at all surprised to see Allen and KG get another shot in the playoffs. So, I see the Kings as not nearly the likely destination for either.
Let alone there’s maybe one player on the Kings roster that’s worth going after in a trade, and I’m not surprised to see nobody here offering him up.
Nick Swisher is hands^h^h^h^h^h delicious.
KG isn't coming to Sac
He would want a contender. He already went through a team build with the Wolves.
he wouldn't have a choice if they traded him
I don’t want KG anyways, though. He’s on his last legs as a basketball player and if he did come here I see him bringing a lot of bad additude.
by deadenddude on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
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