The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: 2011-12 Week 4
Too bad we can't bring Slamson on the road to deal with the wild animals.
This week featured a disappointing win against another young team, a big comeback at home, a huge upset of a top team on the road, and a huge blowout loss. Kings basketball everyone!
The Good:
1. Comeback Win Against Indiana
This looked like it was going to be another disappointing loss, against a good Indiana team. The Kings couldn't hit a shot all night, and that didn't change even when the Kings made their comeback in the 4th quarter. It was the defense and energy that won the game, as they held Indiana to just 8 points. Isaiah Thomas and Francisco Garcia came in off the bench and changed the tempo and got to the line. It was a great team win, and they carried that momentum into San Antonio.
2. Upset Win in San Antonio
The Lakers game to start the season was the most fun victory of the year, but this win against San Antonio was the most impressive. The Kings came out strong, getting out to a 15 point lead early in the first half. San Antonio came back, but thanks to a dominant all-around performance by Tyreke Evans and some big plays from Cousins and Salmons, the Kings won by two, giving San Antonio its first home loss of the year.
3. DeMarcus Cousins
See Player of the Week
4. Ball Movement is Getting Better
Before this week, the Kings' highest assist total for a game was 17, in Houston. This week, they had totals of 16, 17, and two games with 20. The 17 assists in the Indiana game was particularly impressive considering the team only shot 30.1% for the game and had just 28 made field goals. Other than the game against San Antonio, the Kings assisted on more than half their baskets in each game.
5. Tyreke Evans' Evolving Game
There was only one game this week where Tyreke really got his offense going (against San Antonio) but he was still able to make an impact with his defense and his passing. Tyreke is finally growing some sort of mid-range game, and that allows him to do a few things when he drives. He can either pull up for a jumper, continue to attack the basket, or draw attention and pass. He's also become a very solid defensive player. Tyreke's number may be down, but there is no doubt in my mind he's a better player.
6. Donté Greene is Comfortable in his Role
Donté has grown to be a very effective bench contributor despite limited minutes. He's seeming to play more within himself and is making less of the bonehead mistakes or one-on-one "I'm a star" type offense. He's growing to understand that he can be a very effective roleplayer. His 19 points on 11 shots in Memphis were a bright spot in an otherwise dismal performance, and I hope to see him continue to be effective.
7. Jimmer Fredette Emerges in Memphis
Jimmer has been miserable for the most part this season, and this week up until the Memphis game was no different. But against Memphis he came in and played exactly like the guy we wanted to be. He was single-handedly keeping Sacramento in the game in the 2nd quarter with his shooting and passing. He scored 15 points in the half alone, including three straight possessions where he hit a three each time. He was also doing a great job of setting up teammates and had 6 assists as well. He finished with a career high 20 points, and hopefully with his confidence restored.
8. Jason Thompson Earns Starting Spot
After the Minnesota game, Coach Smart said he needed to make some changes and he did, replacing J.J. Hickson with Jason Thompson in the starting lineup for the next game. Jason had been playing well and continued to play well in the next two games as a starter. He didn't play well against Memphis, but everyone has bad games now and then.
9. Bench Energy
Sacramento's bench isn't always effective, but they do a good job of providing energy. J.J.'s energy and hustle make more sense off the bench than as a starter, and Isaiah's speed and quickness are perfect for a backup guard.
The Bad:
1. Loss in Minnesota Finishes Off 1-4 Road Trip
Minnesota is playing good basketball under Rick Adelman. This was still a game the Kings should have been able to win. Yet Minnesota killed the Kings in the second half as Kevin Love and Luke Ridnour poured it on. The loss left the Kings at just 1-4 on their 5 game trip.
2. Marcus Thornton Playing Hobbled
Since coming back from injury, Marcus Thornton has not been playing well. Marcus is a scorer, and when his shots aren't falling, that really hurts the Kings, particularly since Marcus is going to keep shooting regardless of whether he's got it going or not. This was one of the weeks where he was not, as he shot just 17 of 51 (33.3%) in these 4 games. He only played 13 minutes against Memphis, before sitting the rest of the game with a sore thigh, probably an aggravation of his previous injury.
3. Free Throw Woes Return
The Kings had seemed to leave their shooting struggles at the line behind until this week. But this week they shot just 68 of 102 (66.7%) and it almost cost them the San Antonio game.
4. Isaiah's Shooting Struggles
Isaiah does a lot of things well. He's scrappy on D, he distributes well, and he brings a whole bunch of energy. But he is having a really hard time with his shot, particularly this week. He went 2-15 from the field this week, and 0-9 from three. It's too bad, because he does a good job of getting open and spotting up for shots. If those start falling consistently, he'll be a great asset.
5. Kings' Defensive Rebounding
The Kings are an elite offensive rebounding team, but they also have a bunch of opportunities for offensive rebounds opportunities thanks to all the shots they miss. It's the other side of the ball that is worrisome, as the Kings are only a mid-rung defensive rebounding team. For a team that wants to rebound and run, that's not good enough.
6. John Salmons Has Improved But Is Still Struggling
John is still struggling to be the player that the Kings traded for, but I have to give him props for the huge shots he hit in San Antonio. I actually think it's unfortunate that he was sick against Memphis, because it would've been nice to see if his confidence and shot have really returned.
The Ugly:
1. Another Blowout Loss in Memphis
The Kings looked tired in this game, but played one of their best offensive games of the year. Unfortunately the defense was atrocious and it coincided with insane shooting by the Grizzlies. It was almost one of those nights where the Grizzlies would have beat anyone they played and there was nothing you could do about it. Props to Memphis, a very good young team. Hopefully Sacramento can get there one day.
2. Sacramento Kings' Shooting
As I documented earlier this week, Sacramento is currently on pace to be one of the worst shooting teams ever. This was after the ridiculously bad 30.1% shooting performance against Indiana. They shot better against San Antonio and Memphis, but nothing good enough to write home about. The lockout is a big culprit and the Kings have good shooters, so hopefully they can string a game or two of good shooting together and get their confidence back.
3. Sandy Sheedy's Politics
Sandy Sheedy is trying to get key funding for the Arena pushed to a vote on the July ballot. She is doing this not necessarily because she doesn't believe an ESC will benefit Sacramento, but because she wants to align herself against Mayor Johnson. Luckily, it doesn't look like she has the support.
Player of the Week:
DeMarcus Cousins
14.8 PPG, .500 FG%, 11.5 RPG, 1.5 APG, 1.3 STL, 1 BLK
DeMarcus is becoming a double-double threat every night as well as a solid defensive presence. His shooting has been much more efficient, particularly thanks to his silky smooth jumper from outside (10 of 15 from 10-23 feet this week). He's also a dominant force on the offensive glass, which has helped with how poorly the team has been shooting. I remember a few years ago when people asked "Man, how good would Jon Brockman be if he was taller and could shoot?". Right now, DeMarcus is your answer.
Image / GIF of the Week:
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 18, 2012 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Comment of the Week:
The Kings announced today that they have signed Orunj Cohen
The 2 foot, 4 lb. Cohen becomes the second player to be signed out of Israel, the first being Omri Casspi."We are thrilled to have Cohen as part of the Kings organization," said Geoff Petrie. "We think that he will be an impact player, just like John Salmons."
Per company policy, contract terms were not released.
by section214 on Jan 16, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 22 recs
FanPost of the Week:
Zone Defense and Banana Peels by Slam Dunk
Highlight of the Week:
Caption Contest:
Hey Salmons, you're getting closer, only missed it by this much!
Last Week's Runner-Up: Tom Ziller
Hawes: (off-camera) Hey, where did I put my giant invisible pizza? Oh dammit Francisco!
This Week's Picture:
A reminder of the rules for the Caption Contest. Leave your caption in the comments below, and the most rec'd (to recommend a comment, hit action, then rec) caption wins.
This week's caption contest winner gets to start at Small Forward.
Question of the Week:
How would you grade the Kings under Keith Smart after the first 10 games? I would give the team a solid B, going 4-6 with noticeable improvement on the court. Sure there have been some big losses, but the team has been on the road for the most part and had little practice time. They've also missed two starters in Chuck Hayes and Marcus Thornton for chunks throughout.
And Nostradumbass Prediction for Next Week:
@ Portland 1/23 L (Gerald Wallace may not play, but Portland has all the tools to shut down the Kings best players while still scoring on the other end.)
v. Denver 1/25 L (Denver murdered us last time we played them a few weeks ago, and while I think this game will be more competitive, Denver is still much better than us and is also an excellent road team.)
@ Utah 1/27 W (Utah has been very good for a rebuilding, young team, and especially at home. However, I think we match up well with them and could begin this trip off strong.)
Nostradumbass Record for the Season: 12-5
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Caption contest:
Tyreke: “Isaiah, hurry up and get on top of Darren so we can finish the ‘K’. Can’t hold it much longer”
by KingsFromNY on Jan 22, 2012 8:22 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Caption
Evans and Collison doing their on court impression of Swan Lake
by adamsite on Jan 22, 2012 8:25 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
You beat me to it.
Tyreke and Collison audition for the basketball version of Swan Lake
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Well, there goes my caption quote of
“Tyreke Evans prepares for his role in Black Swan 2.”
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jan 22, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
Caption:
Peaches: “Evans looking like Kareem, but misses the skyhook.”
Jerry: “Someone should check the size of the ball, is my VSP vision or does it look a little to big for the rim?”
Peaches, uncomfortable chuckle: “Oh Jerry, your killing me.”
by adamsite on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Man...my spelling % is about as good as the King's FG%... "you're killing me."
My own fault for posting before I had my morning cup of coffee.
Caption
Ill-advised effort: Instead of getting into Evans´ head, Darren Collison gets his head into Evans.
by rubenho on Jan 22, 2012 8:42 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Caption
Tyreke, finally realizes that sometimes having big balls is a bad thing….
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011
by Dirkula on Jan 22, 2012 8:59 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
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Reke:I told y’all I can multi task, I do Ballet and basketball at the same time. I got something better than BB IQ, I got BBB IQ
by Chent on Jan 22, 2012 9:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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Evans: I will show you all our brand new offence system by an interpretive dance! Yes, we are so Smart now.
I do miss finding the Yeti though :'(
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
by Shizzo on Jan 22, 2012 4:20 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Caption
Collison’s head is removed from his body and suddenly is transformed into a hilariously oversized basketball. Tyreke’s talented hands work to corral Collison’s ball head so that he can present it to him after the game.
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Jan 22, 2012 9:17 AM PST reply actions
Caption:
“Use the Force…duh…”
"Where hope goes to die"
Question
I would agree with a B. I’ve been confused on some of his strategies, but the product on the court is much improved. These guys seem to be enjoying playing with each other and have found a unity that has been absent.
I like some of the small ball lineups he’s been using, and that zone against Indiana was sublime.
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Jan 22, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
For the Question of the Week.
Regarding question, I absolutely love what Coach Smart is doing with our to-be Big Two, Reke and DMC. I got feeling that everything Westphal has spoiled in RekeROY now is coming back, under something we can name a new system. Not only his confident in driving to the basket (again!) and outside shoot but he’s showing some sort of real PG skills, court vision and trust in his teammates (would old Tyreke pass the ball during the fast break?). I have a warm feeling that by the end of the season, we gonna call him top-20, top-15, players in the NBA.
As for DMC, it seems that Westphal was trying to hide his skillset under the blanket, now Smart is just letting the beast go wild and have some fun. And even more fun is right ahead of us.
What I don’t like is only the feeling we are missing one but very important piece in order to become a playoff team and it’s a real veteran presence. Someone like Ray Allen not only could improve our team, but should put the team together during hard moments (those when opponents drive away for 20 points and Kings are just looking at each other with no clue what’s now). If only we could trade Salmons & Thornton for some real SF presence, I would watch every game more calmly, without the “here we go again” feeling every time the opposing team is getting series of buckets. Problem is, nobody wants our Kings and no one wants to be a King.
by McB7 on Jan 22, 2012 9:25 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
C-
Right now. Kings have worst point differential in the leauge. Thats not good. Too many blowouts for my liking. Even in our two home and the team trailed by huge margins and could have just as easily went the other way.
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
by kingme18 on Jan 22, 2012 9:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions
CAPTION
Breaking News: For the first time ever Siamese twins are playing in the NBA. On opposing Teams!!!
by tonyfrmnatomas on Jan 22, 2012 9:38 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Do you call blocking or an offensive foul?
by betweentheeyes on Jan 22, 2012 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
CAPTION:
Collins got confused after watching the half time show about what NFL position they would play and thought he was playing safety.
Caption:
“Evans’ take on the role of Ichabod Crane may be unique, but for this reviewer’s money, he completely ruined Maloof Entertainment’s hip-hop opera version of The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.”
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Jan 22, 2012 9:43 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
I knew you farking illiterates wouldn't get the reference.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Know your audience
If it isn’t out of a pop-up book, you’re pretty much on your own.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jan 22, 2012 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Know your audience
haha, the cult of PPG?
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
caption
Collison, collision; tomato, tomahto
by polotown on Jan 22, 2012 9:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Caption
“Darren Collison physically demonstrates that this season is, indeed, the ’pits.”
(I hate myself already for that pun!)
by paleface on Jan 22, 2012 9:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions
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Evans shows off his wicked handles, simultaneously performing an over the back karate dribble and levitating Collison.
Caption
Tyreke Evans (left) attempts to snare an errant physioball thrown by Francisco Garcia. Darren Collison (his remains pictured at right) did not survive the prank gone horribly wrong.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You Know what Time it is....
TYREKE TIME

The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay! Er, I mean here you stay... I mean here Kings stay in Sacramento.
by JulyFishSB on Jan 22, 2012 10:05 AM PST reply actions 14 recs
Snave time?
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Jan 22, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Does the fact that he's on a clock face
Explain his extra set of hands?
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 22, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Oh forgot,
To get Collisons hands out.
The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay! Er, I mean here you stay... I mean here Kings stay in Sacramento.
Caption
In another effort to pinch pennies, the Maloofs require the players to entertain the crowd @ halftime with shadow puppets. Here, Evans and Collison perform “the giraffe”
by paleface on Jan 22, 2012 10:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Caption:
Tyreke: “Many I knew I got some big balls, but how did that one get loose…”
An obviously scared Collison says, “Hold me”
"I gotta have more cowbell"
DMC may be taller and more talented, but he will never be as cool as the Brockness monster
1000% Effort and Hustle every second

If anyone forgot about the legend of the Brockness Monster, here is his trailor with a cameo from Hawes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZPFK-Pivk&feature=player_embedded#!
and our Kings dunk contest winner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9ByM8h13Mc
by SharkKings49 on Jan 23, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
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Reke and Collison practicing their dancing with the stars tryout routine.
by Blue Dog on Jan 22, 2012 11:03 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Caption
I know our form is perfect Darren, but if you don’t let yourself go and hold my hand, we won’t get through eliminations this week
by tidge18 on Jan 22, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Caption
“Evans is regarded as the Headless Horseman of the NBA. He is known to remove players’ heads and leave a lone basketball in his wake”.
Claremont Mckenna College
Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Jan 22, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The Goods are gooder
I was not in favor of dismissing Paul Westphal after 7 games of this foreshortened season but Keith Smart has changed the direction of the Kings in dramatic fashion. His win-loss record is impressive but mostly the attitude of the players and us fans has adjusted the attitude from forlorn dismay to a more accepted patience. Smart, by being a new face, is given a grace period that ran out for Paul Westphal. The directives of the season are about the same – Develop Evans into a more well rounded player (check), ditto DMC (check), fit the new rookies into the game plan (incomplete), win more games (incomplete), have the Kings compete every night (incomplete), win at home (incomplete), give the Kings an identity (getting there). That puts him up over Westphal for Evans and Cousins, the rest it is too early to tell but you have to like the attitude change.
The blowouts are hurtful but the results are no different – a loss is a loss just as a win is a win. The ability of the team and the fans to move on from the results of each game with eyes looking up and forward rather than downcast is a relief given there are another 50 games to go.
Look, nobody expects this team to make the playoffs. They just don’t have the talent nor the experience to start piling up necessary wins. The Kings doesn’t need to overachieve, they need to achieve first and Keith Smart has them headed in that direction.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 22, 2012 12:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Despite everything you say being true at this point
plugging that hole at SF with a starting caliber player could transform this team almost overnight.
Yes, we’re still talking about that damn hole at SF.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jan 23, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You mean the hole at the center of every galaxy?
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
That's why they have lottery teams
and this lottery is a good one.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 23, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Question: B is a good grade if your looking at product and performance
As far as improvement is concerned I’d give the team an A and Smart an A+.
What we’re seeing is marvelous. Smart just doesn’t have the team running and passing ahead on offense, he’s got our 2 best players playing a completely different game.
Tyreke is now Learning how to play Point Guard, how to run the offense, how to get HIS shot, and how to move into the paint like a quarterback instead of an out of control freight train.
But, even more impressive is the changes Smart has made to Cuz’s game. His turnovers are down, because he’s not being asked to create like a SG. He’s getting the ball more in his wheel house, and even without some of the more traditional low post moves he’s scoring at a much higher percentage. In 4 games in December DeMarcus shot 32% on 52 FGA’s or 12 per game; in the last 5 games he’s shot 49% of 64 FGA’s just under 13 per game.
Players that PW wrote off years ago, are now contributing. Change doesn’t come easily, but the fact that Coach Smart has created major chance for the better in only 10 games is outstanding. And, I think the outlook especially for our guards is going to be very bright indeed. If coach English can engrain some of the simple post moves the JT is showing into Cuz’s game, we’ll finally have the one two punch we need.
I can’t wait to see where the next big improvement comes from, under Coach Smart’s guidance.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jan 22, 2012 1:04 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Those passes upcourt that are starting to happen more frequently
are a Joy to see.
I’d love to see the shooting % difference between those possessions and the others when Tyreke or Jimmer or Marcus don’t get the ball to the 3 pt line until 12 seconds or so are left on the shot clock.
Jimmer unfortunately tends to trap himself (and the ball) in the high corners – and every team we play seems to know the tendancy. Stay up top young man and move the ball!
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jan 23, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Can't tell you about the shot clock
But we where 20 of 37 or 54% at the rim in the Memphis game. We had 27 fast break pts which is 13 baskets and 1 and-1. Assuming all the fast break pts were finishes at the rim, then without the fast break pts were were 7 of 24 or 29% in the half court.
Here’s my take on Jimmer, some of his getting trap is his own doing. Not recognizing the double quick enough and getting rid of the ball and not cutting quick enough off the screen and allowing his man to trap him from behind. He’s still trying to be the next playmaking PG. But, a lot of the problem is with the offense and our bigs. Teams are doubling all our guards off of screens, but our screeners aren’t cutting. Then just stand around and don’t even move to give the guards a passing lane out of the double team.
So the guards have no choice but to dribble the ball until they can find a passing lane to move the ball thru. Because of the engrained practice of standing around in the Westphal offense, I’m giving all the players a pass for the first month to a month and a half of Smarts regime. Now, that he has them running the breaks properly, he can start working on movement in the half court.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Caption:
Tyreke and Collison demonstrating “soft hands” for a rebounding clinic they were attending.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Great as always. Rec'd
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Question: How would you grade the Kings under Keith Smart after the first 10 games?
It is difficult to grade Head Coach Smart, at this point, simply because there are so many variables, many of which he had no hand in. That said, his impact was immediate, evident with the much improved team performance and turnaround attitude. The team has gone from a mishmash of disjointed parts, to a more cohesive interactive unit. The players seem happier. The team is far more enjoyable to watch. Smart is working toward developing a running team, taking advantage of training and conditioning opportunities whenever they are available.
Cousins appears to be a major benefactor of the change, with far more consistency than he showed last season. Tyreke is again becoming a player we are getting excited about. Smart gives his encouragement and support to Jimmer, who delivered last night, despite everything else seeming to crash around him. In fact, each player seems to be benefiting from the new coach.
Smart seems to use game strategy, as part of his ace up his sleeve. It may be too early to give too much credit at this time, but there are things he is doing, which appear to be an improvement over Westphal, such as the timing of his time-outs, the plays the draws up, the emphasis on teamwork over the stroking of his most favored player. These are all new things, which appear fresh in comparison to the old. But for now, I would give him an A.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Not as thrilled with Fredette's shooting....
As the assists last night. We all knew he could shoot coming out and it was just a matter of time. But I was impressed with some of the Nash-like passes. Happy for the kid cuz he looked so nervous in previous games. Hope he continues it because it was fun to watch.
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 1:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Caption
“Coulda been worse Darren, at least they din’t name this place Preparation H arena.”
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 22, 2012 2:57 PM PST reply actions
CAPTION
Collison: Hey Ref tell Tyreke to take his arm off from around my throat
Reke: UH thats not my arm.
by tonyfrmnatomas on Jan 22, 2012 3:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Caption contest
In an attempt to become the next geico spokesman, Evans demonstrates the importance of having Collison insurance.
by TheLokey1 on Jan 22, 2012 5:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Good Comment on Jimmers passing
Jimmer is a very smart crafty player. Start him and put the ball in his hands and I think he’ll make other players better and he is a natural scorer. If he started I think he could be a 20 pt 10 ast guy if the Kings could live with his defense. Maybe they get lucky and he ends up something like Steve Nash. Riding the bench then coming in for a few minutes and hoping someone passes him the ball and he might as well be somewhere else.
If he started I think he could be a 20 pt 10 ast guy if the Kings could live with his defense.
I certaintly hope you don’t mean this year because if you are you are setting the guy up for complete failure.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 6:25 PM PST up reply actions
I do think he could do 15 and 7 this yr
And his defense is no worse than thortons
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 6:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well considering Irving is rocking around 17-5
I kind of have a hard time believing it
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
What does that have to do w/Fredette?
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What does that have to do w/Fredette?
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 7:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sorry for the double post
Hit it 2x when he fumbled the fucking punt return
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
because indirectly
I am looking at another rookie who is starting and does a better job of not turning the ball over in the pick and roll and has less of a tendency to pick up his dribble on the perimeter and is better at scoring while attacking the basket. And he is putting in 17-5.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm putting way too much stock into Fredette's 2nd qtr last night
However I do think one of the things that made him elite in college is his confidence…. That seems to be coming along. Also, JF is actually more polished in some areas offensively than Irving….. and when is the last time he turned the ball over on a pick & roll?
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 7:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I honestly don't get where people think Jimmer is so polished. I am not saying that as an insult to him either, I think there is a lot of untapped potential.
when is the last time he turned the ball over on a pick & roll?
I hope Aykis can chime in here given he as Synergy but I can almost guarantee just from watching Irving and Jimmer play that he has a lower turnover rate in the pick and roll than Jimmer.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
We joke that Jimmer is God
but apparently some people actually believe it.
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by sac_faithful on Jan 22, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
I never said JF had a lower TO rate
Said I don’t recall any recent TO on P & r. He got ripped last night in backcourt so I do think he has a way to go with ball handling. However I think he’s very polished in all facets of shooting…. Off a screen, spotting up, off the dribble ( including p & r) and in transition. He may just be scratching surface in terms of keeping dribble alive and distributing ala Nash
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 8:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hate it because I dunno even what a polished shot means
I think (and most people obviously think) the guy can drain jump shots like no tomorrow but technically speaking it’s not what you’d call a text book jump shot. Does it matter, I highly doubt it.
I personally don’t think his shot driving to the hoop is all that polished or effective or however we want to describe it. Now I will say that lay-up on Dwight Howard about a week or two made me want to cry in joy though.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
Polished shooter in terms of ...
Being able to stop from a dribbling sprint and pull up from 3 …. That’s a “polished” skill. Let’s face it , fredette didn’t hit the genetic lottery and has accomplished what he has by polishing skills. He will continue to look like a rook @ times this yr but he will leave us shaking r heads when he gets silly hot
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 8:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Personally I think he's got better genetics then people think
and I think with some serious coaching from some of the NBA camps like Thorps runs can do some wonders for the guy.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
How many college games did Irving play?
I don’t think it’s out of line to say that Jimmer is more polished than Irving based on their total number of college games.
There are differences in their skill sets, and Irving may have a higher ceiling, but Jimmer is better than most rookies drafted at 10. His ability to dribble and layup with either hand is certainly better than Tyreke’s and so is his 3pt shooting. If everyone is simply going to look at the negetives after 375 minutes of pro experience, MJ would have looked bad.
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Wasn't focusing on the negative at all
I just said I dunno how we define polished in regards to shooting. But yes, his left handed lay up is quite nice (that’s actually what I was referring to with Dwight)
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't define polished by how many he makes
I’d define it on how good his form is and on how consistent he is. I also look at his misses. Are they left or right more or long or short. How many just rim out.
I’d say that most of the time he doesn’t miss by much, and when he does fall back it’s on purpose to create space and not because he has bad form. If there left and right it’s usually a form issue, long and short is usually adrenalin or leg conditioning. Eventually, with experience the range problems work themselves out.
I haven’t seen him in person this season, but I have videod all the games, and liked everything I’ve seen including his defense which is quite good for a rookie. Especially, since that was the big question about him going into the draft.
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by HighTops on Jan 22, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough
Right now too many score first guards. Trade jimmer or Thorton for a defensive minded SF. I think jimmer has more upside than Thorton but I believe he is a PG and not sure how long it takes for him to be able to be a starting PG. Front office may see how it goes (JF’s improvement) when Thorton is out w/reinjury and go from there.
by Pdidd on Jan 22, 2012 6:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not happening
Jimmer currently has little trade value and Thorton is our third best player.
Even though
I agree with Pdidd, Thornton can be our third best player, still what we need more is a real SF, Thornton is too much like Tyreke but with ceiling where Evans’ floor is. Jimmer, on the other hand, is too much perspective asset to trade him now, I would say, let’s give him 2 or 3 seasons, much more mediocre player were given more time than that.
We had to endure that whole 09-10 season to get the pick that brought us Jimmer
No way should we consider moving him until at least the end of his 2nd season and probably not even then. PGs and Centers take the most time to develop in this league.
Thornton may be the third best player right now, but looking at his defense I think you could argue that point. He is one of our top 3 scorers, but that’s only half the game. But considering his injury and the games he’s played with it , I’d give it a month or more under Smarts new offense before I started moving anyone away.
The SF was a minor part in PW’s offense, just a last second bailout corner 3 when the offense failed in the paint. As bad as our exterior defense has been, the role may still be that of perimeter defender who contributes 10 pts a game. That’s about what we have in Salmons, Garcia and Greene.
Unless some GM comes knocking at the door trying to give away a star for one of our bigs, I don’t see much need to move an asset for anything not resembling a star. The team has talent, but they haven’t learned how to play as a team. So, your not going to gain all that much by adding more talent that is used to playing within a team.
Just how many more games would the Kings have won with Kirilenko? Would just his presence have stopped all the blowouts?
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by HighTops on Jan 23, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for this:
We had to endure that whole 09-10 season to get the pick that brought us Jimmer
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Jimmer as PG
Good conversation, I really think if the Kings are serious about Jimmer and not use him as a marketing tool they give him the ball, now and make him the starting PG. The team isn’t going anywhere this year and what better way to see if he can be a good PG than to start him give him the ball and see what he can do.
well considering I root for laundry
I am glad the Kings aren’t just throwing the guy in the deep end and actually trying to give him structure. He’ll be a better pro for it and it is a great sign he isn’t just a marketing gimmick.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmer
Yeah, it’s great structure for someone who has never sat on the bench at any level ever and expect him to be a one trick 3 pt shooting pony if he’s lucky enough to get a pass from Evans or Thornton. Give him the damn ball, make him the starting PG and maybe you get Steve Nash. If not and he’s a bust then so what did the Kings lose they’re not going anywhere the way the team is presently strctured. This team passes poorly maybe Jimmer could help that while being able to also score.
by bankers hours on Jan 22, 2012 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get the blind homerism
And the outright denial of the truth.
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by sac_faithful on Jan 22, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
lol yeah because SOOOOOO many other guards on the Kings had to sit on the bench in high school and college!
give it a rest. Guy is playing over 20 minutes a game. The Kings playing him 20 minutes is not why his stats are the way they are.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions
No wonder Division III star players never make it in the NBA
they just aren’t given the 30 minutes a night they need given they were able to play so much in college!
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Div 3
He was the concensus player of the year in college, there have been about 5 of them in the last 40 years and you want to compare him to Div 3 guards, please.
by bankers hours on Jan 22, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
didn't say he played Division III
But considering there are Div III players that play all the time throughout college and don’t make it to the NBA level, clearly it’s because they don’t get the playing time considering supposedly that is the cure all now for players struggling right? They just need the minutes because that is what they expect if that is what they got all the time. It’s just about the minutes!
Just applying your thought process.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
JJ Redick and Adam Morrison were in a deadheat race for that
And look where they ended up. Player of the year in college doesn’t mean much, it means something, but not much
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by raiderking21 on Jan 22, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't you know wally?
Jimmer is entitled to get a starting spot because he is Jimmer, even if he hasn’t earned it. Remember, when Tyreke or Cuz or Marcus make a mistake its because they aren’t good, but when Jimmer makes a mistake, its because of his teammates not making him the focal point because you he deserves it.
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by raiderking21 on Jan 22, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
^because you know he deserves it
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by raiderking21 on Jan 22, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
And in no way would a plan surrounded around giving the ball to Jimmer nomatter what look like a marketing ploy
No. Never. He can NEVER sit on the bench evAr.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
You haven't heard
the team is jealous of Jimmer and won’t pass him the ball and he needs more minutes and more reps inorder to be great. I can pull all the quotes if you want.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah the whole team is selfish and sucks except Jimmer, and he deserves more time because of it and he will make the entire team better all by himself
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by raiderking21 on Jan 22, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
Give him the damn ball, make him the starting PG and maybe you get Steve Nash
Jimmer is currently playing over 22 minutes a game in his rookie year. Nash played 10.5 minutes a game his rookie year.
Pretty sure it didn’t destroy Nash’s career.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 22, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
However
It might have ruined Nash’s career if they did try to start him right away, and force him into situations that he wasn’t prepared for.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 22, 2012 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
My grades for the week: Team - B-, Coach Smart - A, Coach Smart's post game press conferences - A+
I may be seeing what I want to see but I saw definite improvement in both Reke’s and DMC’s games individually and also in the way they played as a duo. If the Kings re ever going to reach minimal level of competence it’s critically important that our young future stars play well together. I saw them play that way this week in a way they hadn’t before which is a huge step forward.
As a fan I obviously would prefer to see wins but at this point I don’t really care, what’s most important to me see now is for the Kings to consistently show mastery of basketball basics or as Larry Brown said to see them play “the right way”. I think Coach Smart can teach them to play that way and as they get it the wins will come.
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by Bluejohn on Jan 22, 2012 9:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
If Jimmer plays like he did @ memphis and tyreke plays like he did @ san antonio, that alone could keep us in the game. Now if cousins shows up to rebound..then its over.
by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 22, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions
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Darren: I know how to make Tyreke pass the ball.
Tyreke: What the hell Collison, stop trying to hold my hand and get your head out of my crotch.
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by Rambaldi on Jan 23, 2012 1:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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Dancing the Passe Doble: Couple number 2 – Tyreke Evans and his dance partner, Darren Collison.

by Rickyflip on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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Collison: Yo Ty, with my PG skills and your superb all around game, we’d be unstoppable if some how we can try fuse together!
by Perezident of the Bahamas on Jan 23, 2012 7:18 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Great recap as always Akis
Bravo.
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With an abysmal shooting percentage of .393% Commissioner Stern in his infinite wisdom forces Sacramento Kings to use bigger ball.
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by 1damutt on Jan 23, 2012 8:20 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
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Tyreke Evans absorbs Nick Collison’s powers during the Pacers’ game at Sacramento Wednesday. After stealing Collison’s essence, Evans shot 44 percent with four assists against Memphis on Saturday.
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Clever line, but wrong Collison - the one in the picture is Darren
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 23, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I looked it up before I posted, too
Saw I put the wrong Collison, and yet forgot to change it. I’m a clever one!
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Tyreke Evans absorbs Darren Collison’s powers during the Pacers’ game at Sacramento Wednesday. After stealing Collison’s essence, Evans shot 44 percent with four assists against Memphis on Saturday.
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