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Kings 89, Trailblazers 101: Five Minutes in the 2nd Quarter Were All the Kings Needed to Lose

The final score is not indicative of how far apart this game really was. For all intents and purposes, this was yet another blowout loss on the road, as the Kings trailed between 15-20 points for most of the game, thanks to a 19-2 run by Portland over a 6 minute stretch in the 2nd quarter. The Kings never recovered.

Portland was led in scoring by Jamal Crawford, who had 26 points and 5 assists off the bench, but it was the intensity and effort of Gerald Wallace (20 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 2 assists and a block) that carried the Blazers. LaMarcus Aldridge was quiet offensively, scoring just 13 points, but he also chipped in 16 rebounds and 5 assists.

For Sacramento, DeMarcus Cousins was the only starter who could get anything going offensively. He scored 18 points to go along with 13 boards and a couple assists. DeMarcus is going to be very sore tomorrow, as he was just clobbered repeatedly by Marcus Camby, Kurt Thomas and Craig Smith. He also turned his ankle at one point, but was able to get up and jog it off.

The rest of the Kings starters combined for just 29 points on 10-33 shooting. Donté Greene started in Marcus Thornton's place and only shot 4-13 and could not guard Gerald Wallace at all. John Salmons' shooting struggles aren't over, as he missed all 4 of his shots, and the Blazers did a great job of containing Tyreke Evans, who was just 2-10.

Star-divide

Portland dominated in the effort and hustle areas tonight, stopping quite a few of the Kings fastbreak opportunities with timely blocks or getting back quickly enough to contest and force a miss. They also absolutely killed Sacramento on the glass, outrebounding the Kings 53-36. The Blazers also got 19 offensive rebounds to the Kings 11, a huge number considering Portland shot better than the Kings from the field. That means they had less opportunities for offensive rebounds, yet they managed to grab almost twice as many anyway.

The Kings bench provided some decent play all around. Isaiah Thomas continued to struggled with his shot, going 3-12, but still managed 11 points and a career-high 8 assists in 28 minutes. Francisco Garcia had 12 points on 4-5 shooting, and Jimmer had another good shooting game, scoring 13 points on 5-7 shooting (including 3-4 from three). Hopefully that is just a sign of more to come for Jimmer, at least offensively, as he was just killed on defense by whoever he was guarding.

The Kings had a season-high in assists with 23, with solid passing all-around. Isaiah was phenomenal at finding open guys, particularly right at the basket, and Tyreke also did a solid job of dishing to his teammates (he had 5 assists).

In the end, the Kings can point to that stretch in the 2nd quarter as when things broke down. The Kings were sloppy on both ends of the court during that stretch, missing 7 of 8 field goal attempts (and all 3 of their FTs) and committing three turnovers. The Kings seem to have a bad stretch like this every game, while rarely having huge offensive spurts of their own. They're not good enough or consistent enough on either end to suffer these kind of runs and recover from them. They need to calm down, stop taking long jumpers early in the shot clock, and move the ball around.

The Kings are now 6-12, and 2-9 on the road. Their effort is getting better, but the results aren't. The team returns home Wednesday against Denver, and hopefully can continue to play well there before having to pack their bags and leave again.

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by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 10:06 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Meh, it's free food. Tacos, Chalupas, still seems to do the same to us.

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Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats exactly how I was in the 2nd and 3rd quarter.

by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That 2nd quarter made me wana just destroy every single pillow in my house, including beating up my desk as well as doing 100pushups to get the anger out.

by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 23, 2012 10:13 PM PST reply actions  

Getting kind of sick of all the blowouts guys

(sigh) Is it too much to ask for competitive losses?

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 10:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Exactly. I mean jeez look at the warriors they’re losing so much yet all of their losses are competitive and hard fought. Why can’t ours be like that ,_,

by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 23, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats all I was hoping for this year

Stay competitive in the losses and hope to pull out enough wins to be close to the playoff picture.

by SharkKings49 on Jan 24, 2012 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

It kills me when people talk about what an amazing defender Donte is

He has the length and athleticism to be a great defender, but he just isn’t. And the coach needs to sit his but down every time he starts jacking up threes. This is his fourth year in the league and he still doesn’t get that he is not a good outside shooter. Very frustrating to see him starting.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:16 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Or maybe Dave's wife

heh

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by darooster on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

you really think JT is gonna be gone…You cannot compare half this team to JT as far as skills wise..

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by Widowwolf on Jan 23, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

???

Are you saying that JT is skilled? JT is probably the least skilled player on the court at any given time. His effort is what brings him up from terrible to mediocre.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Not so.

JT has small hands, and struggles to rebound, but he gets in the paint pretty well, is an above average passer for a back up PF, and gets to the line pretty well.

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by killerking on Jan 24, 2012 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL so you are saying Donte, Outlaw, Honeycutt are more skilled and better then JT this year..LOL you are funny..
JT in team stats sits

FG% – 1st still
Total Rebounds – 5th
Assists – 8
Steals – 10th
Blocks – 8th
Turn Overs – 4
Fouls – 6th
Points per game – 6th

While he might not be a starter on a championship team, you cannot deny his skills.
The people I would not be willing to give up before JT due to his current skills + cost
I am not looking at past stats – Only current stats and pay.
DMC
Reke
Maybe Hayes (If he gets back to where he was)
Maybe Thornton (If he gets back to last years effectiveness) – Shooters are a dime a dozen at his stats currently.

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by Widowwolf on Jan 24, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps a slight exageration in my innitial post due to the skill level of th rest of our team.

But seriously, JT a skill player? That is the argument? Jason Thompson is a skilled player? Say it out loud before you stone me with his stats this year.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes and he is getting better every year..Tell me who else on the current team that is not listed above you would rather have at the contract price, amount of years over JT. JT has a lot of skills- Why do you think so many other teams want him..Height does not a basketball player make

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by Widowwolf on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Size, effort, decision making

When did I say anything about wanting him at a certain price. The point is that if you are arguing to keep him here skill is not his selling point.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

He is skilled enough to be a starter on an NBA team. Is he Dwight Howard or Blake griffin. No, but he does have basketball skills and they are better then more then 1/2 the big men in the league. His Per at Center is showing at 15.96 which is good for 23rd amongst all centers in league..And currently he takes on more PF’s then Centers when on the court with DMC. Hickson is 65th amoungst all PF’s..Yes he is skilled

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by Widowwolf on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting better every year?

JT per 36 min stats:
08-09: Reb: 9.5, AST: 1.5, PTS: 14.2
09-10: Reb: 9.7, AST: 1.9, PTS: 14.3
10-11: Reb: 9.4, AST: 1.8, PTS: 13.7
11-12: Reb: 8.9, AST: 1.6, PTS: 12.8

His shooting percentage has gone up but this is due to his decision making improving. Are you considering playing within ones self a skill?

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

And his consistency and minutes have been so erratic, you expect him to put up full time consistent starter #‘s..I am considering how much improvement he has made as a basketball player of the years . Skill is being able to get those #’s and be better offensively/defensively..Look you don’t like JT I get it..But you cant say he doesn’t have some decent skills or he wouldn’t be in the NBA today

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by Widowwolf on Jan 24, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Look, you like JT, I get it. But you can’t say he hasn’t improved his strength, conditioning and desicion making or he wouldn’t be n the NBA today.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

WHat

what are you saying here besides tweakign my words around

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by Widowwolf on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

You've got to be joking Blue, or you need to sober up

That description fits Hickson way more than JT, except the part where he nears mediocre.
Just comparing the 2, JT is the better shooter, passer, and ball handler. JJ wins at jumping, that is not a skill.

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by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 8:09 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

+1

JT is a near perfect back up big man. He knows his role and works hard. JJ has let me down this year, or maybe I expected to much out of JJ. Either way, at this moment JT is the better big and may have been the most consistant big so far this year (although Cousins has been the better player).

by SharkKings49 on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Per 36 min career stats for the two.

JT: FG% 49.2 Reb 9.5 AST 1.7 PTS 14
JJ: FG% 48.8 Reb 9.8 AST 1.1 PTS 15.3

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Hickson has not played well this year. I don’t believe that is because he is less skilled than JT. He has had terrible decision making where JT has had great decision making. JT is fine for his price and role. I just don’t believe basket ball skills are his strong points. Strength, conditioning, work ethic and decision making are what makes him what he is.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a weird conversation

I see Hickson as more athletic, but JT as more skilled. But again, I think it depends on how you define “skills”.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don't think either are very skilled basketball players personally.

And if we are to get to the bottom of this you are correct otis. We need to define each of our definitions of skilled. But that is hard and way too much like work.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is where I would post a GIF to distract you so I don’t have to do that.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you Otis

In comparing the JJ and JT it is pretty clear. JJ is more athletic than JT, but JT is more skilled than JJ.

Though I would say that the athleticism is really only in the area of jumping. I think that JT is extremely well conditioned and strong.

JJ either has not developed some potential or is more of pure athlete with less upside than JT.

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by CowbellKings on Jan 24, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Whats even more frustrating is that the wrong people are shooting 3s. Jimmer was on fire today 3-4 from 3, he should of gotten more 3point plays ran for him to continue burning his fire, instead they cool it off with water and decide to give Greene wide open to miss 5 open shots from 3. Bloody ridiculous

by CousinsEvansDUO on Jan 23, 2012 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think this is the case for our entire roster

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

All I hear is how good Salmon's D is

and the guy has been roasted all season.

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I have believed this forever about Donte

All the physical talent in the world, none of the skill.

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by darooster on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

It's about focused effort for him

He has a good game, gets more minutes and becomes almost invisible.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree 100%

You look at him and think he should be a defensive stopper with his size and speed at the 3. But it doesn’t materialize. Right now I’d actually like to see Honeycutt spending more time at the three. hard to imagine him doing much worse than Salmons or Donte.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is it really that people think he is an "amazing defender"?

Or is that he is the only player on the team with the ability to guard big small forwards? Whether he is good at it or not, he’s better than anything else we got.

Don’t blame the fans for reaching. Blame Geoff Petrie or the Maloofs for forcing us to reach.

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I guess

But I can absolutely blame coaching for not demanding that he stop jacking up threes. Smart promised accountability, and that’s an easy call.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Although

It’s possible he hits them all day in practice so Smart lets him do it in the game thinking they’ll go in.

I’m not saying it’s right. Just throwing it out there

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe someone needs to introduce him to BB Refernce

The 23% for the season might give him a clue that practice doesn’t count. Then again, lots of mediocre players look amazing when they play against our defense. Maybe if Donte was playing against the Kings he’d be shooting 50%.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

We can't let him see basketball reference

He’ll never let anyone shoot anything

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 10:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

And, what do you base your opinion on? Because Wallace scored 20pts?

Wallace had 25pts in the first game and Donte didn’t even play. Donte covered Wallace for the 1st 6 minutes of both the 1st and 3rd quarters of this game and Wallace scored 3 pts. Yes, Wallace scored on him in that bad stretch at the end of the 2nd though some of those pts came on break aways after turnovers. Except of that one break away basket, half of Wallace’s pts came while Donte was on the bench.

And, if we’re going to put all the defensive failures on the guy that’s supposed to be defending him, what’s that say about Tyreke’s defense of Crawford and Felton.

Wallace had 8 of his 9 baskets at the rim, and other than the fast break points what does that say about our interior defense. Portland’s guards and wing had help inside. Wallace has been beating defenders for years, so if you know of someone who could have stopped him an entire game without any help around the basket, please let me know.

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by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not putting all of this on Donte's back at all

What I am saying is that when you have a guy who four years after he came into the league still jacks up 3 pointers despite the fact that he’s never had good numbers, that averages less than 5 rebounds per 36 minutes despite his size and agility, and that averages more turnovers per 36 than assists, with a career average PER of less than 10, his defense better be absolutely freaking incredible to deserve floor time. It’s the only thing he has going for him. And it is not. Period. is he decent at times defensively? I guess. But his defense is not anywhere near good enough to justify his minutes. He is not a shut down defender or even close to it. Garcia has a better defensive rating than Green does.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

It amazes me that people still want Greene in the rotation

After his small sample size outburst of good play at the start of the season, he’s slowly declined to his normal level of sub-mediocre play.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

This other redeeming quality...

That he has Salmons and Outlaw to make him look better.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like I need to always add the disclaimer

That I really like Donté Greene, the person.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

The person is awesome

which is why I hope something clicks and he can start being able to contribute consistently.

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree completely.

Not a better person or team mate around.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I guess that is a backhanded compliment. “I like everything about Donté except for the stuff that really matters.”

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but when Donte does well and gets starter minutes

He tends to dissappear.
More often than not he’s a spectator, a ball watcher on the defensive boards. Wallace is not a guy that has him dragged that far out of the paint.

I still think the biggest problem right now, well one of the two, is just not making shots. That’s leading to either fast breaks or just the pressure offense that amounts to the same thing.

Then there’s the getting careless with the ball, trying to win one-on-one just when point pressure calls for cool and collected offense.

I was also dissappointed in how few times we passed the ball up the court last night.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

It's very difficult to argue your points.

I simply had a problem with blaming Donte or any one player because Wallace was 9 of 12 with 8 of 10 baskets coming at the rim.

I can’t really understand Donte’s penchant for taking and missing so many threes. I will say that according to 82games.com, 50% of Donte’s crunch time shots come on the long jumper with 21-24 seconds on the 24 sec clock. The other 50% come in the 16-20 sec range. I can’t tell you what percentage of his shots last night were crunch time shots.

I will also say that all of his best rebounding games came while he was playing the 4. Which is when he’s playing closer to the basket and not defending the 3pt shot.

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by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

AK47 is looking better and better right about now

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:26 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

but the Kings are looking worse and worse

"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins

by Noble_Bloodlines on Jan 23, 2012 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Could those be related?

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 23, 2012 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

They're looking worse and worse

compared to what??

They’ve gone .500 over the last 4 games!!!

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 24, 2012 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Al Davis 1929-2011 Just rest in peace, baby

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by darooster on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

was actually going to post the youtube video if this

rec for finding the GIF, I’m sure I’ll use it again sometime this season.

by Mad D on Jan 24, 2012 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That Banana Plant murdered his village.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Jan 24, 2012 5:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I think what we can all take from this is that

Jamal Crawford reads StR.

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by PhutureKings on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Blazers Edge must embrace talent

Not run them outta town

TRADE TYREKE!!!!!

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Really tough situation

to start the season. So many road games this early in the season is tough on any team, especially a young one. This team really hasn’t had a chance to put any consistency together because they haven’t been at home very much at all and won’t be for the next couple of weeks. You play the schedule you have, but it certainly isn’t doing the Kings any favors at the moment. They do have 4-3 record at home but you can’t go 2-8 on the road and expect to be a playoff team. Right now I’m looking for consistency and effort from this team. Winning is a process, and winning on the road is no small task. Either you have to dominate at home and be average on the road or you have to be above average at home and slightly below average on the road. Right now the Kings are average at home and well below average on the road. DeMarcus Cousins’ play is encouraging however. I think Tyreke will turn it around eventually as will Marcus. Unfortunately this season will probably be lost before the Kings start to win some games consistently. That’s just the nature of it. I’d say we’ll pick somewhere in the 6, 7, 8 range come June. :(

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by Cincy Kings Fan on Jan 23, 2012 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

I don't see Thorton turning it around.

He is a chucker with the worst kind of tunnel vision. If Smart continues to allow him to play like he has been playing then we are choosing to live and die depending on if he is hot or not. Not a good plan in my opinion.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 12:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Blowout yes

But not as bad as the blowouts 2-3 weeks ago.

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 10:57 PM PST reply actions  

it pretty much was

this one wasn’t as close as the final score.

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

they didn’t go down 30, only around 20 this team

by bignerd on Jan 23, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I think if you've watched all the games, this one was frustrating in a very different way.

This was “hopeful frustration” instead of “hopeless frustration”.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

well said

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by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

This is one of the worst teams I've ever seen

I’ve never seen such a collectively low basketball IQ. I’m a diehard Kings fan, watch every single game, and I find myself wanting to turn off this garbage I’m watching. There is absolutely no “team” feel here. It looks like a bunch of guys playing a pickup game against guys who know how to play basketball.

IT22 is pretty much the only guy who looks like he has a natural ability to pass. John Salmons is the worst SF in the league by far. He’s so bad I can’t imagine him getting another job after we amnesty him. Tyreke is either the best player on the team one night or completely non-existant.

This entire team, minus Cousins, needs to be blown up and rebuilt. This will never happen under the broke ass Maloofs though. Incredibly frustrating.

by Mechanical Shift on Jan 23, 2012 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

I wish I could argue that point

But I can’t. It’s starting to really seem like excepting this team to gel is like expecting square pegs to fit into round holes. At this point I’m almost ready to say trade Tyreke and whatever it takes to get Rondo

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Have you been watching Cousins?

How do you get pouty? And I don’t think I’ve ever seen Tyreke show that much emotion.

Except for the Chicago comeback his rookie year.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Seen both of them

And Reke dogs it sometimes when his shot ain’t goin in. He doesn’t exactly hustle back up the court. He’s just a quite wet sack of potatoes at times when it would be nice to see him act as a leader.

Yes I know it’s a higher standard but if he wants to be the guy he needs to act like the guy.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 24, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree that Reke sometimes doesn't hustle

I just don’t see pouty.

I’ve had teenagers. I know pouty.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

At this point

I don’t even KNOW what to do to save this team. Short of a Dwight Howard, there is no one player thats going to make them even competitive. Its just a sham of a team and its so frustrating.

Cousins oozes potential. I honestly think Tyreke isn’t going to do much more climbing in his career. Jimmer, unless he can up his game to “terrible” on defense, is never going to be an asset on the floor unless the other 4 guys are defensive players of the year. Our 3 spot is so bad that we literally could start Orunj Cohen and be a better team…. and thats not sarcasm.

I have so much frustration aimed at the Maloofs because we COULD have a good team, but its like shopping at the god damn dollar store for a diamond ring with those morons.

Ughhhhh

by Mechanical Shift on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No one is going to SAVE this team overnight

But having Rondo and DMC to build around for the future is a damn good start.

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Having someone who knows how to pass

would be a great jumpstart. Right now, this is the mentality of the current players

Dribble in to traffic choose one of the following
1. Jack up a one footed fade away with three guys in your face
2. See a wide open Donte at the three point line who can’t hit water falling out of a boat
3 See a wide open Jimmer who is 5 of 7 and our best three point shooter

They ALWAYS go for 1 or 2.

Its

by Mechanical Shift on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you really think Rondo would pass as much if he was on this team?

Rondo is a star. One of the best PGs in the league but to me he is more Russell Westbrook than CP3 or Nash. If you put him on this team, with no HOFs to defer to, he probably goes for 25pts & 4-5ast a game.

Rondo as of now is a far better passer than Reke, but I’m not so quick to anoint him the savior of this offense. This team needs better players to pass the ball to, period. Without that Rondo is going to score a lot of points on this very bad team but probably won’t make everyone else any better. He’s a great PG not a miracle worker.

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 11:49 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably true

but they’d still be a better team with Rondo than Tyreke because Rondo is simply a better player. Tyreke MAY be better someday, but that’s a big maybe.

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Rondo was put in the best situation he could have ever been put in

He’s a great player but he’s been groomed. Very unlike Tyreke.

by Allbenji on Jan 24, 2012 7:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Personally I think

Cousins
Thompson
Pierce
Jimmer
Rondo

would be a great improvement over what we have now.

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, the SMF Curse would strike Rajon Rondo

My SMF Curse is that whenever any new player comes to the Kings and they step off the plane at SMF, any semblance of basketball fundamentals leave their mind.

by gregory l on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Thorton and Salmons for

enter the name of any two starters on any team not from Cleveland or Washington.

by Blue Dog on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

How much more "blown up" do you want it?

This team is pretty damn depleted.

by Allbenji on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It seems like this team has no pride or heart

Normally when a team gets blown out by a another team, they come back looking for revenge the next time they play. I didn’t see that in the Grizzlies or Portland game, though. They pretty much rolled over and got blown out AGAIN. I’m really getting disgusted with this team.

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

What more can you ask of Cousins?

He was, what, 18 & 13 last night? Against LMA? He has been the best player on the team for the past three weeks. Bar none. No contest. Give the bashing a rest already.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I saw a lot of class and maturity towards DMC after that game.

He got physically abused by the Portland bigs last night, and he didn’t argue once about it, or let his temper get to him. Even when Jim Gray tried to get DMC to act up in the halftime interview, he answered with class.

LMA and Camby were constantly committing over the back fouls against Cousins and Thompson. Craig Smith and Kurt Thomas were pushing him and hip-checking him all night.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

That was the worst refereed game I've seen this year.

They were calling ticky-tack fouls and letting mauling go uncalled. Your right, Camby went right over Cuz’s back for a rebound and came down on his shoulders and they let it go. Donte had position for a rebound on the weak side and Smith pushed him completely out of bounds and no call.

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by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. I wanted to scream through the TV when they called the and-1 on that one LMA putback

when Cousins was just standing there. Maybe the refs called the foul as punishment for not boxing out? Thats my best guess.

Not to say there was only bad officiating against the Kings, it was pretty terrible all around.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree.

I thought the team was fighting hard most of the night, and getting just as frustrated by their inability to win this game as we were watching it. I think Portland is a damn tough team to beat at home, and they have a few guys, led by Wallace, who make it really tough to get a good flow going. For a young team to try to overcome that is not an easy task. The only way the Kings come into Portland and win is if the Blazers have a bad game. They did have a pretty bad 1st quarter, and the game was very competitive. They started doing their thing in the 2nd quarter, and the game was no longer competitive. I didn’t see the Kings rolling over.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think one of the problems is

Save for Reke, DMC, Thornton (Maybe), we don’t have anyone that would get legitimate playing time anywhere else on a good team in the NBA. Not that I use it as a rule, or that I always use this as some sort of measuring stick, but save for our two up and comers, we don’t have any house hold names in the NBA. It’s like Donte? Salmons? Hickson? Who would they start for on a current NBA playoff team?

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Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

Also, K-Mart had 31 Points tonight. Huzzah. Glad we got rid of him, we obviously have better players now.

/snark.

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Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no Kevin Martin sucked

he was soft. Not a winner. We’re so much better without him…

by deadenddude on Jan 23, 2012 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

According to that screwball Peaches

He was so soft, and weak, and all that….

So if he’s so bad, maybe that big buffoon should come out firing on all cylinders at this current team, yeah?

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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And by buffoon I meant

Peaches.

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by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Must. Pass. Ball.

It starts here and mostly ends here. No flow, no rhythm, no way to build consistency until players move the ball and themselves and stop being so damn selfish.

by nikolokolus on Jan 23, 2012 11:26 PM PST reply actions  

Reke

Sac should really consider trading evans if a good deal comes, while he still has some value left…

by pakyubai on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Not going to matter

It’s one piece of the puzzle. Everyone else still sucks save for DMC.

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Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 23, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Experience

It’s easy to hate on the performances of our young corner stones, with no consistant outside help thus far mind you, and say they are terrible and should be shipped off.

But atleast we have a team reguardless of the maloofs not putting the right vet experience in place.

And the fact that we got blown out by a team that more than likely will make the western conference finals this year barring serious injuries, is not important. Be patient we need time to develop a real confidence and automatic way of thinking. They are trying their best out there to improv a system that for most teams has been in place for 5+ years.

They will get better and they are no worse than the lame ass knicks. Compare records and hearts not point totals.

@corpse916

by corpse916 on Jan 24, 2012 12:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Naivete. I love it.

Seriously, I never riff on posts, but I’m going to for once.

Seriously? Are you kidding me? This is exactly the sort of losing attitude that doesn’t get us anywhere. “At least we have a team”.

Well yeah, that’s great. What’s the point if the Magoofs don’t do any damn thing to make them at least playoff contenders?

And how do you ever figure that the Trailblazers will make the Western Conference Finals this year?I would put the Clippers, OKC, the [Redacted], the Rockets, Dallas, and maybe even SA ahead of the Trailblazers.

You ask for patience. Even Peaches is fed up. We’ve had freaking patience for them to start doing things to put a championship team in place for the last 6-7 years. Instead we’ve watched this team fall by the wayside.

“They are trying their best out there to improv[sic] a system that for most teams has been in place for 5+years”.

OKC would like to have a word with you. So would the Clippers. So you can compare records and hearts all you want (Though I don’t see how that makes sense, records are what we’re looking at), and I love the Kings dearly, but at some point it stops being about caring, and becomes about winning. The Kings need to find a way to WIN. End of story.

And let’s be honest. There is Reke and DMC. Neither of which are really proving to be true cornerstones of a franchise the way Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Kobe, or Jordan are/were. And one of the reasons we don’t have that Vet leadership is because the Magoofs weren’t willing to shell out for it. We’ve traded off our best for cap space and lesser players. And now we have nothing.

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"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Though I will correct myself and say that DMC could be, potentially.

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"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 24, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Dwight, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, & Durant are extremely rare players first off

They also had great teams built around them. Their teams spent way way over the luxury tax to support them with good players. This is not the case with Reke/DMC. Not even close. We can’t even get over the minimum salary!

Say what you want about Sammy D but he is a legit NBA starting big man. We let him go to sign a guy who would be a 3rd/4th big on most teams in the NBA. It’s not like we let him go for Chandler or Nene. I like Chuck but this is the type of mentality in this organization we’ve had to deal with since Webber went down.

Dalembert was a big risk but this is an organization that takes no risks & I’m sick of it.

by Allbenji on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"Dwight, Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, & Durant are extremely rare players first off"

Yet only 2 of those 5 players accomplished what Tyreke did his Rookie year.

All I am saying is, the expectation of greatness was set after that first year so its ridiculous to witness what he have had to from Reke the past couple years.

Very frustrating.

The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.

by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011

by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Even more ridiculous

Is having to hear everyone STILL talk about how great he is and how we need to have patience.

My relationship with the Kings dates back a long time. Jr. High, High school, College, most of my career. It predates the relationship I have with my Wife and Kids, and I am really pissed off to see it becoming what it is, and even more pissed off when people keep telling me to have patience. This team may be leaving next year, and the way they are playing, nobody but die hard fans are gonna care.

I hate the Malindas and what they have done to this team.

The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.

by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011

by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dirk

If you’ve been around this long, you know that the Kings have been much worse in the past and much better. It is a process. Much as I hate the Maloofs, I at least recognize that they gave us the glory years. Because this team sucked much worse than it does now before they came along.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I hear ya Beastie

and I appreciate you trying to talk me down from the ledge. I just think that they can no longer afford to own this team, and are too stubborn to sell. The product on the floor the past several years has been atrocious.
I don’t like watching the team disintegrate the way it has. I mean we are constantly concerned with the salary floor. FLOOR!
Ugh.

The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.

by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011

by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

They may have brought us the glory years

But they are responsible for this too. I’m sure Cuban has a poster of them on his toilet seat to catch the spray and remind him to keep spending money on the Mavs.

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"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Jan 24, 2012 3:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I am not comparing the Kings to the rest of the league any more.

I am comparing them to their past selves.

Cousins, IT, Jimmer and Thompson are trending upward.
Tyreke is brilliant one moment and then lackadaisical the next.
Donte, Cisco look to be moving from deep bench players to starters/role players.
Hickson continues to be meh.
Outlaw and Salmons should not be getting playing time.

by BurningFeathers on Jan 24, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Here's the problem
Donte, Cisco look to be moving from deep bench players to starters/role players.

That’s how bad this team is!
Do you honestly think these cats would get any burn on another team!?

The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.

by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011

by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I've said it for two weeks

This team doesn’t have the raw talent to score 90 points most nights. Certainly they don’t have the right pieces to play defense. It is going to be a bad season. Sit back, enjoy every win, expect a blowout any game it looks like an opponent is going to reach 100 points, look for player development from Reke, Cousins, Jimmer, IT and your pet favorite than hope for a good lottery ball. Its over, no shock here. Its not lack of effort, lack of BBIQ, etc, it’s playing 3 against 5 every single game which gets this team blown out.

by bignerd on Jan 24, 2012 12:32 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

For me, two biggest missing pieces are a true scoring SF and a commanding, experienced PG. Those two ingredients would make the entire roster look different, in my opinion. The thing is, getting decent return for either or both of those spots could mean dealing a key piece, like Evans. That said, if it brought someone like Pierce and a Sessions on board, could be worth it. Of course, I think Evans would fit at SG best, but if the best thing out there is a deal, we should consider it. You have to trade something to get something, after all.

by KevinSalvadori on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I don´t even mind the losses anymore.

I guess I sound like a Maloof employee when I say this season is about improvement now more than wins because the season is pretty much lost already (after less than 1/3 of the games!), might aswell get a decent draft pick out of it.

What drives me crazy is that several guys keep throwing up the worst possible shot over and over again. If Outlaw backs down a defender and goes for a turnaround fade-away 12-footer off one leg I want to explode. Anybody who´s name isn´t Dirk shouldn´t be allowed to do that, especially since it hasn´t worked a single time. Almost as bad are Evans jump shots just inside the 3 early in the shotclock, literally the worst shot there is but it happens way too often.

Other than that and the obligatory 2nd or 3rd quarter nap I like where the Kings are going.

by rubenho on Jan 24, 2012 3:57 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

When it got to 10 1/2 way thru 2nd qtr and you could feel their momentum...

THAT"S when your go to guy need to step up and score, drive and assist or dig in defensively. I sat watching in disbelief as Reke simply disappeared. I have doubts that he can be that all-star, cornerstone guy. He is so tough in the open court with a head of steam…but in the half court game he is limited when the shit hits the fan. I actually think his best option for improvement right now is to dedicate himself to be a defensive stopper (he could be a beast on defense if he dedicated to it) and that would not take away from him ability to drive the ball to the hoop. It wouldn’t hurt his 3-pt shooting because he can’t do that anyways. He could still average 15 points on way better % to go along with more boards and assists and give this team some defensive fire.

by Pdidd on Jan 24, 2012 5:31 AM PST reply actions  

Yep.

I think I know what Mike Ditka would say about Reke’s 3’s and long 2’s: “Just stop it.”

by blknblu on Jan 24, 2012 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Watched the Blazers feed on NBA League Pass.

Man, Mike Rice (provides color commentary for the Blazers) would not let up on bagging on the Kings (not that it wasnt somewhat deserved). Just 2.5 hours of giving out about the poor shot selection, lack of team play, etc. Sir. Please stop beating that horse. It’s dead already.

by defender96 on Jan 24, 2012 6:01 AM PST reply actions  

I couldn't believe how bad it was

For the first 45 minutes I was angry then it became almost comical like a SNL skit

by Pdidd on Jan 24, 2012 6:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought they were pretty funny.

At the start of the second half when the Kings passed the ball around the horn and Donte airballed a three, the announcer said “Well you won’t see that play again.”

And an interesting sidenote they said Outlaw had struggled in New Jersey and Sacramento because he wasn’t being used properly. “He’s a backup power forward, that’s what he is. A stretch four.”

by blknblu on Jan 24, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that guy is a punk ass bully.

Just not sure why he felt the need to bring so much negativity to the telecast. I can’t imagine most of the Blazers fans enjoying it. I don’t ever recall hearing an announcer focus on the opposing team so much throughout the game (particularly through the entire first quarter), and I have to wonder where that kind of attitude is coming from (definitely felt like insecure compensating for something).

Are the Kings playing bad basketball and having a hard time getting easy shots? Yes, and it’s no secret. But do you need to jeer them every damn time they have the ball regardless of what they end up doing with it? Bringing the ball up the court, it was like “Alright, expect another bad quick shot here” and if they actually did move the ball and get a good shot it was “Well, somehow they managed to get a good shot there despite how dumb and terrible they are” and if they didn’t get a good shot it was “There you go, they’re a terrible team that takes bad shots”.

He particularly had it out for Cousins. Every time he touched the ball (which is a lot, because he’s one of our only good players), it was “Here he goes trying to get his” or “Don’t expect to get the ball back from him”, and when he did actually pass it, “Wow, I can’t believe he gave up the ball, hahaha sneersneersneer”. He finally, grudgingly, admitted that Cuz has a special talent for rebounding, which is hard to ignore no matter how much of a condescending prick you are. But he brought up the Westphal crap multiple times, basically saying that Westphal got fired because he tried to get DeMarcus to be a team player and that Coach Smart better not try to get in Cuz’s way or he’ll be next.

You’ve got a decent team up there, dude. No need for the insecure aggressive bullshit. Comment on the game in front of you, use your knowledge of your team and the game to help the fans understand what they’re seeing, and leave the personal agendas and bullying out of it.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree completely

They had a few funny lines. But most of it was just straight trash talking. You don’t hear that from good announcers. Crap like, Look at Cousins taking those outside shots. That’s what the old coach complained about. Maybe the new coach learned something. He won’t complain if he wants to stay around. Just lame.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Radio guys were bad too

I was listening to the Audio League Pass feed from Sac, but it died at the beginning of the 3rd so I had to listen to the Blazers feed. It would’ve been difficult to listen to if I were a Blazers fan. Snide comments when the Kings missed a shot or turned the ball over, and backhanded compliments when they scored. The only thing that could’ve made it worse was if I were listening to it in the dentist’s chair. Even then, the radio call would’ve been worse.

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by rpmonkey on Jan 24, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec'd

I was FUMING at the exact same things. Such a douche.

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent recap, Aykis.

It was that 19-2 run by the Blazers in that 6 minute stretch, which told the tale. As a fan watching the game and posting on the game thread, it felt as though we were run over by a Mack truck. I can only image what it must have felt like for the players. It appeared to be pure chaos by the Kings in that stretch, as through they were ambushed and didn’t know how to regroup. Smart mentioned that the game got away from them in the second quarter, so I would imagine their post-game autopsy will focus on that portion of the game.

Despite the glaring hole they dug for themselves, I have to give the team some props for their composure under the circumstances. Course, they have been in this predicament before, so this was not new territory for them. Kudos to Cousins who played after turning his ankle and continued to contribute. Kudos to Jimmer for making some shots

I turned the game off near the end of the 4th quarter, when it appeared with almost certainty that it would be another blowout loss. I continued to monitor the game thread and was surprised the Kings went on a little run of their own, putting a little band aid on their wound.

Silver lining: The final score could have been much worse.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Jan 24, 2012 7:53 AM PST reply actions  

Curious if anyone knows

What Tyreke’s 1/2 court shot shooting percentage is?

I think it’s gotta be better than his regular 3 point shooting percentage, and that’s not a good thing.

The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.

by twasserm on Jun 23, 2011

by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Ha, good point.

There’s “Jimmer Range”, and there’s “’Reke Range”.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

As tough as this is to watch

It should not be completely unexpected. We are the toughest part of our schedule, we have two starters out, we changed coaches in midstream, we have several new players and very little practice time, and we still have a better record this year than last year

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 8:03 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I so badly want to believe you and yell in agreement.

But man, it’s painful to watch this squad.

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

As tough as it's been to watch at times...

5 games back(in the loss column), going through the toughest part of our schedule. The kings still have PLENTY of time to turn this thing around and make the end of the season interesting, especially with a majority of the games in the back half of the season being at home.

I’d like the turning point to come sooner rather than later though.

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 24, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The best things about the losses...

All the goofy GIFs that follow :)

Remember I don't give a flying fuck!

by kromeace on Jan 24, 2012 8:05 AM PST reply actions  

Crawford just terrible, a "bad fit"

It’s pretty obvious we didn’t need Jamal Crawford and he wouldn’t have made us a better club. After all, all he would have done is stunt the growth of Jimmer.

We aren’t going anywhere until we drop the mindset of being a player development league and gifting rookies minutes before they’ve earned them.

That said, a few more Isaiah Thomas makes last night would have made this an interesting game.

"His D was a difference at the end."

by NewEraKings on Jan 24, 2012 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

Um

Last I saw we offered Crawford more money than Portland did. Were we supposed to kidnap him?

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not talking about the team's response

I am talking about some of the fans here.

"His D was a difference at the end."

by NewEraKings on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Just in case

you need a refresher, Ziller questioned the Kings chase for Crawford in this article, which was followed by 530 comments, many doing the same.

Bad “fit” seemed to be the theme because our guard rotation was “set.” Right.

"His D was a difference at the end."

by NewEraKings on Jan 24, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

So the Kings failure to succeed

is due to fans opinions? Or are you saying Crawford chose Portland because of Ziller’s article?

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, I was part of that contingent that said Crawford was a bad pick for this team...

…and my argument was that we did not need another shoot first, shoot second, think about passing but still shoot third, pass fourth guard on our team. And I still think I am right. The fact that he is better than Jimmer is irrelevant to that argument.

Nobody foresaw the fact that every shooter on our team would slump at the same time to begin of the season.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Though I'm starting to think we should have foreseen it, based on previous seasons

I was also in the “Crawford isn’t what we need” camp…I think I still am, despite his blowing us up last night.

by lead_pipe on Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings failure is due to the fact

that we aren’t going anywhere until we drop the mindset of being a player development league and gifting rookies minutes before they’ve earned them.

"His D was a difference at the end."

by NewEraKings on Jan 27, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I just love

How you only show up to say “Look at me, I was right! I was right! I deserve respect!”

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Not surprisingly

You’re wrong. Feel free to read my timeline.

I think you all missed the main point I was trying to make:


We aren’t going anywhere until we drop the mindset of being a player development league and gifting rookies minutes before they’ve earned them.

Crawford would have improved the team. But we’d rather forcefeed minutes to rookies, and then we wonder why we suck.

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by NewEraKings on Jan 27, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not for nothing,

but Crawford has sucked to the high heavens this year, except for when he plays the Kings. So I suppose his signing would have helped us last night, as he would have sucked for us instead of excelling against us.

Crawford’s performance last night vaulted him to into mediocre range for the year – at this point he is having a season similar O.J. Mayo, and that’s while playing for a team far superior to the Kings. I’m betting he would be another “Petrie mistake” had we wound up signing him

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by section214 on Jan 24, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

SHINY OBJECT

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Watched quarters 1-3

I think things have improved under coach Smart, but I saw a lot of our old offense out there- guys standing around not moving and a lot of our possessions following the same m.o.- 5-8 seconds on the shot clock elapse before the offense is even initiated followed by one or more of the following: dribbling, half-hearted screen/roll, or lateral passes around the 3 point line. possession ends with iso-ish long 2 or 3 jacked up as shot clock ready to expire.

Not always the case, but we seem to frequently regress to this type of offense, which hurts because nobody is hitting anything from the perimeter!

Note to coach Smart. Instead of putting Outlaw in (or almost any of our 3s at this point), please do one of the following: pull any fan (whether they’re a Kings fan or not doesn’t matter) from the stands, give them Outlaw’s jersey and send them in OR play 4 on 5.

by outrider on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

After reading all these depressing comments above, I would like to point out that it takes a long time and a lot of effort to fix bad habits.

And the Kings have a lot of them. I see flashes of good play out there, just not enough of it to warrant wins at this point. I think Tyreke gets discouraged because he makes great passes to players in good positions that continue to miss shots. I didnt know I would see a player with worse hands than JT, but the Kings found one, and traded for him (Hickson). Kings do not use the whole court effectively on offense as spacing looked terrible last night.

As for the state of the NBA, it does not help our cause that the Western Conference is 12 teams deep, and the East is 6 (maybe). There are going to be many more tough games in our schedule, especially since the shortened season took away a good portion of the inter-conference games.

The team needs time to gel together. These next few weeks are going to be crucial to this team’s development. Still a lot of road games in February, but only one back-to-back. This is also the first week we have less than 4 games on the schedule, and have had more than one day between games only once thus far. That is about the worst recipe for team development. Sprinkle in a coaching change in there, too.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

LMAO at the replay of Camby's reaction after blocking Thomas

you could see him trying not to laugh cuz he had basically just took the ball out of the air from Thomas like he was a 12 year old. Seems like Thomas goes in the paint and gets emphatically stuffed about three times a game. He’d be a lot more efficient if he stopped forcing that kind of stuff up.

by dethtruk on Jan 24, 2012 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

IT was stumbling to the ground on that play and had nothing else to do but toss it up.

Not saying it wasn’t still a bad play that he tried to do something and tripped, but I’m not sure if he would have been looking to pass or take a more controlled shot had he kept his footing.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

That's an adjustment thing IMO

I bet we’ll see far less of that 3 months into the season. He’ll then learn the art of the floater and hesitation moves.

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by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Like the switch to Smart but some playing time has me scratching my head...

IT plays great a while back and doesn’t see the floor in the next game….now he is shooting like the 60th pick. Jimmer catches fire vs Memphis and seems to have it going again last night and doesn’t go in till late in 3rd when it’s over. Does he just want to keep players on their toes or is it all about match-ups? Or is it a matter of them being rookies and they just take what they get?

by Pdidd on Jan 24, 2012 9:00 AM PST reply actions  

Jimmer didnt get more minutes because he was getting abused by both Felton and Crawford on D

and because our bigs are horrible on help defense, it leaves Jimmer to look helpless out there.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Silver linings
  • Tyreke on his bad nights is still looking to contribute. Last night I saw him getting to the rim, but he wasn’t getting any whistles and his shot wasn’t dropping (at least not from less than 40 feet). When he’s not scoring, he’s not killing the team’s chances by forcing it all night, he’s looking to draw attention and get the ball to his teammates (who also aren’t scoring, but at least he’s trying to get things going), and also grabbing some boards. He’s not piling on a ton of shots or turning the ball over a bunch.
  • Cousins on his mediocre nights is still contributing a lot. If he’s not getting good looks, he’s not forcing things for himself and piling on the missed shots and turnovers. He’s working hard on defense and rebounding the hell out of the ball. Think about how far his “baseline” production has jumped from last year. I’m not giving you any advanced stats or anything, but I sure remember quite a few “total disaster” games from DeMarcus last year, where he didn’t have it going good but he was still forcing things, pouting, fouling, and losing the game for us. Have there been any of those games this year? I can’t think of any. He’s a second-year player, 21 years old. Knowing that he’s not going to lose the game for us even if he’s not winning it for us is huge.
  • Hayes is coming back. Despite his shortcomings (pun intended), he’s probably our 4th most talented player overall, and our most veteran. Does he solve all of this team’s problems? Not even close, but this team will be better with him on the court, with less time for some of the guys that are contributing little or nothing.
  • Jimmer has looked a thousand times more comfortable out there the past couple of games. Don’t expect 20 points per game any time soon, but if we can start to count on him to make most of his open shots and limit his turnovers, this team will start to be much more competitive.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

funny how guys want to trade Reke

after a game in which a former King, Gerald Wallace, completely dominated us at the 3 spot. The problem is where playing team basketball with a roster that has 3 players that would get minutes on other NBA teams. Right now we’ve got Reke, Thornton, and DMC. Thats it. Everyone else would be hardpressed to earn an NBA paycheck. Our starting PG last year was Beno, who’s a bench player for an eastern conference lottery team right now! Do you get the trend here? We dont have good players. Therefore, team basketball cant work with this team because their not starting caliber players in the NBA.
Another thing about Reke is, he was picked at the #4 spot in the draft, and if u’d rather have Curry/Rubio I think our delusional. Even Golden State went out and got (overpaid for) David Lee. Would Curry or Rubio add wins to this current roster? NO! because the surrounding players still suck! Bottom line. Seriously imagine any of those players on this roster. We would still be bottom feeders of the West. You have to go out and overpay for veteran talent, something that the maloofs dont do.

by jadams12 on Jan 24, 2012 9:23 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

Get your point

But I’m guessing if most GMs could have Curry, Rubio, or Evans, at least half would choose Curry or Rubio over Evans. So delusional might be a bit too strong of a word there.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed delusional is a strong word

I would still take ‘Reke over the others as Rubio hasn’t shown me enough more than passing skills (yet) and Curry lacks the defense in my opinion and healthwise seems to be weaker than Tyreke is now (although both are scary int hat department.) But I could understand GM’s taking Rubio if they like that passing PG or Curry if they want the shooting PG.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Rubio's pretty good on defense as well

And he’s surprisingly good shooting the three (although he’s as bad as advertised everywhere else).

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed his Defense isnt as bad as we were told

BUT I still didn’t think much of it in the 4 games i saw. They seemed to try to get him on the lesser man yet he still seemed average at best in my opinion even matched against lesser skilled offensive guards. I like how he rebounds reasonably for a guard though and as you said his 3ptr has been falling but he has not shot well overall.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

still disagree.

i think gms go 60 percent evans over curry because hes injury prone, and doubt anyone would take rubio over evans im sorry. rubio is a good player, but its not like he’s made the timberwolves a contender or nothing.

by jadams12 on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

He hasn't made them a contender in the 17 games he's played?

What a schlub.

Oh, Minnesota is 7-10 this season. After 17 games last season, they were 4-13.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

kevin love becoming a better player

and Wolves getting the number 2 pick in the draft can improve your team too. Also adding aldeman as the hc. Not taking anything from Rubio, hes a good player. But over tyreke, no way.

by jadams12 on Jan 24, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wouldn't take him over Reke right now either

Just thought your argument that he hasn’t made them a contender yet is funny. Especially if you use the same criteria to evaluate Tyreke.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

They've added talent

though they still don’t have a SG or a legit Center. They’ve had some nice road wins this season – which is always tough.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

And this year's compacted schedule is tougher.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I probably wouldn't take Rubio either

But mostly because I think Evans will make a very good 2 or 3. If what I needed was a floor general to run my otherwise good team, I would take Rubio over Evans in a heartbeat.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd still take Lawson over Rubio or Curry.

And I’m holding onto the Evans upside. Dude can improve in SO MUCH with his physical tools already present.

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by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope all of you are right about Evans

However I have my reservations. I just don’t see him becoming anything more than he is. I just don’t feel he has the mental capacity to play to the level you are expecting him to reach.

Most intelligent basketball players don’t take shots at the rim when their back is facing it. I can think of 2 or 3 times that Reke has actually taken a shot while not even facing the hoop, and hasn’t made, (or even come close),a single one.

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by Dirkula on Jan 24, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Warriors also are in a big market, with new owners willing to spend.

Case closed.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Question
You have to go out and overpay for veteran talent, something that the maloofs dont do.

Followed by:

Petrie needs to go. Complete disaster of a roster trying to stockpile young talent

If the first comment is true, then does it matter who your GM is?

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by section214 on Jan 24, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

good point

but i dont think you can put this all on the maloofs. were barely at the cap minimum. theres been chances to get affordable veterans that can contribute either thru free agency or trade that Petrie hasnt pulled the trigger on.
a good example could be the memphis grizzles. Good young talent, then you go out and add vets like Z bo, shane battier (left for the heat), tony allen. Guys who are afforable and fill roles. You re-sign young talent and boom playoff team. Even though you’re overpaying guys i think the maloofs would be willing to pay if it meant the Kings being a good team again.
IDK if the Maloofs are really that cheap or they dont think overpaying for a guy like jamal crawford is really the answer and thus are hesistant to dish out checks. IDK if Petrie goes to the Maloofs begging like “we need to overpay guys now, pull the trigger” either. its a bad situation all the way around.

by jadams12 on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Memphis took huge gambles on Z-Bo and Tony Allen...

Z-Bo was a huge head case for every other team he played for and Tony Allen had a pretty bad injury history with Boston. I am glad it worked out for them, just sayin. Also, their best moves were developing and resigning their own talent (Rudy Gay, Conley, Gasol).

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Z-Bo suddenly grew up

I sure didn’t see it coming.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

same

but love what’s he’s become

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by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Flip Saunders fired in DC.

"Guys, I'll tell u what... With a few draft picks and some worthwhile trades,
we could make the playoffs in or 4 years."

by Ichiban on Jan 24, 2012 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

You don't say...

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by Shizzo on Jan 24, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Playing time decision isn't as easy as it looks though in my opinon

You look at IT. He changes the pace and starts dishing the ball out last night, but at the same time is jacking up shots and missing them. So do you take the positives in that he changed the pace, lit a small fire, and accept the negatives that he is shooting worse than just about anyone and still taking the most shots?

You look at Jimmer and you say ok he has confidence his shot is falling, but then on the other hand its maddening to watch him on defense and you are getting beaten badly when he is on the floor. Do you keep him out and rely on his hot hand at the ris of continuing to get lit up on the other end?

To be honest I was most frustrated last night by the complete inability to make stops. They actually didn’t play horribly as if you remove one stretch of the game they actually played with Portland. It was just frustrating to watch throughout the second half that they make a few buckets to get it down to 15 and then give up 2 or 3 easy baskets to go back down 20 or so.

I think that playing time is a difficult one as so many of these guys are inconsistent or one dimensional. Guys like Jimmer and Thornton you know have offensive game but if the shot isnt on you cannot overcome their defensive deficiencies, and guys like IT and Donte give you a ton of effort and change the feel of the game but if they are jacking up shots non-stop at 25%.

Smart is doing well in my opinion to get the most out of weak talent. Realistically you have two NBA starters, two solid sixth men (both injured right now) and a cast of bench players and prospects.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

I've coached and have experienced things going badly

And looked down the bench to realize that there are no better choices.

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by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree to a point

But one of the things you need to be aware of is that Jimmer was consistently trying to funnel his man into a big defender the way he was doing with Hayes early in the season. The problem is that either the big didn’t step up or that no one rotated to cover the man the big left. IT was facing his guy up. Sometimes that worked, many time it didn’t. But at least he wasn’t relying on the bigs which is what kept him on the floor. Getting Hayes back will help, but mostly we have just not had enough practice time to teach guys where they need to be on defense. Not saying that Jimmer is a stopper, just that he was trying to do what a PG is supposed to do in that situation. It just wasn’t working.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 24, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn't help any that JJ is Jimmer's help defender...

…I constantly see him standing on the wrong side of a pick and roll. It’s getting irritating.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I saw this as well

Jimmer would do better defensively with better team defense, but then who would not. I have rarely seen the Kings play good team defense and rotate effectively.

I have been surprised to see that Jimmer really is quicker on defense than expected. I think he is getting lost a bit, but he has the quickness, size and strength to defend. He just needs to get more playing time and it will come.

Jimmer is finally looking comfortable and playing his game. A good thing and I expect to see his numbers go up dramatically.

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by CowbellKings on Jan 24, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair to IT, he's been missing a lot of wide open shots.

I don’t see him dribbling down the court and picking a spot to get his shot off. He’s moving the ball and a lot of his shots are from hanging behind the three point line and letting it rip when he gets the pass with no one around him. I assume that Coach Smart is totally fine with him taking those shots when he’s open, instead of dribbling the ball in and looking to do something else with it. Actually, I’m sure Coach Smart is fine with Donté taking the wide open shots, as well, and doesn’t want to tell his guys not to shoot when they’re open, lest they start to doubt themselves completely and totally screw up their confidence on the floor. It’s the random contested shots that are frustrating about Donté, and I don’t recall seeing much of that from IT but maybe I’m missing it.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

There have been some forced shots

but he’s certainly not alone in that. If some of the open ones were going in for any of them and we had a few more wins we would barely notice.
But he in particular is not out there to take shots.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

?

Do we have 5 average defenders?
I say Reke Greene DMC Hayes and Salmons are our best 5. I don’t think all of them are average!

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by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Good point.

I would say Reke (guards the best guard and does well typically) and DMC (despite nto being a shot blocker) are above average.

Salmons I think is consistent (you dont always notice him which at least defensively is a good thing sometimes) and a little above average.

Hayes and Greene depend on matchup and range from slightly above average to slightly below.

But like you said even your best lineup is likely average on most nights.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

As much as I am a Cousins believer, and think he'll be an AllStar someday soon

He is not yet an above average defender. He’s average, which is pretty good for 15 games into his 2nd year.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I can respect that.

But I personally just think that he is creating turnovers with his blocks, steals, and charges in key times and he is rebounding reasonably well (still think he can get even more on the defensive end though I agree.) But I would take him over most centers without a doubt in my mind personally.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The glass is always half full for you, isn't it?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on the player, actually

In my defense, I’ve been watching crappy basketball, crappy coaches and crappy basketball players for more than a few years now. ;)

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he realizes the Westphal situation made him look like an ass in the public eye, warranted or not.

I hope it is a turning point in his career.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

If Hayes stays healthy and develops good chemistry with DeMarcus, I could see that really helping him to keep things under control.

And/or, if the team continues to develop and play better and the wins start to come more regularly, I think DeMarcus will have an easier time staying focused. If the team doesn’t continue to develop and play better, and the blowouts keep coming, I could see DeMarcus’ frustrations coming out more often, sniping with the coaches and teammates, etc.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

If our defense helped eachother out more, we would not look so bad.

Guards and wings are funneling players to bigs that do not rotate fast enough. Also could be better on the pick and roll.

That aside, we held Portland to 46.6% Take out Wallace’s 9-12 shooting, and that gives them 42.1%, and only gave up 9 fast break points.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Hayes coming back

Will make a big difference on our help defense. He’s really good at that, and he seems to be able to show other guys where to be on the floor.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody has mentioned yet

That Isaiah Thomas has turned into a chucker. Eight assists, yes, but 1-5 from the three, and needed 12 shots to get 11 points. He needs to be told to stop jacking up 3PAs. He just doesn’t have the range.

Also got seriously abused on defense last night. He quit on a couple of plays, and has no clue how to drive his man baseline. He doesn’t run the offense. He’s quick, but I’m not seeing much reason for all calling for IT to start. He’s become almost as much of a black hole as Salmons.

Donté needs to be told not to shoot from three as well. For now, Garcia should start at the SF, then see how Honeycutt does, and then go to Greene or Salmons, or move Tyreke to the SF spot in smaller lineups.

Hayes can’t come back fast enough.

Jimmer and Garcia had good shooting nights. I hope that trend continues. And I hope that Smart starts running more plays to get them open, because everyone else last night, except DMC & JT, combined for a rather disgusting 12-48. Ugh.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

Nice to see Jimmer getting hot for a few games in a row from three

What this kid needs is a big shot of confidence, and this is a start.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

I don’t see anything in ITs college career to suggest he has ever been an effective shooter. Here is hoping that he either becomes one or stops shooting.

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by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Have to remember

That for most of his college career, he was used as a scoring guard, rather than a distributor. So he’s making a positional adjustment, just as Jimmer and Tyreke are.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But you’d hope that the coach could help ease that transition. Maybe with a very supportive smack upside the head every time he shoots a 3.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

He needs to penetrate and dish

or shoot the 10 footer, which he seems very good at.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

The benefit of his speed

Is that he should be able to get that “stop and pop” jumper pretty frequently.

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by otis29 on Jan 24, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I've worried since the Knicks game (and many disagreed)

that he was shot hunting too much.
Now, one would hope it would be different if he ever came into a game where we have the lead – God forbid.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

YES!!!

Im not a big fan of the short hook but I hope Smart starts giving these guys some tough love like he did with Curry at times. If you arent a shooter dont keep throwing it up Donte, JT, Hickson! Likewise if you aren’t going to cover anybody you wont see the floor Jimmer! BUT as we all know and have discussed when your options are limited you often times have to accept lesser of evils at times. Do you take Jimmer’s hot hand and bad D or Isaiah’s passing and horrible shots?

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I too think Cisco should start for now

until someone else pulls thier head out of thier *ss and gets serious. No matter what, it seems to me that Cisco should be the first SF off the bench.

The lack of shot making by Salmons, Donte and others is frustrating, many of them are reasonably open looks off passes and none of those shots are missing by much.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with this.

Hollinger pointed it out last night during the game as well, “someone explain to me why Greene got the starting nudge over Cisco again?”(something along those lines)

by HeuristicLineup on Jan 24, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I know

I had high hopes for Smart’s “line-up changes” he talked about in one post-game. Only to see Salmons start again, followed by Greene, who is shooting nearly as badly.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 24, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm beginning to think the reason Isaiah gets open for so many of those corner threes

Is that opposing teams are simply letting him because he’s not consistent enough.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 24, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

We should mention something positive

Cousins really is coming along. His growth curve looks very encouaging. Portland did a very good job keeping him occupied defensively with Camby, Smith and Thomas – who each tooks turns throwing a cheap shot or two.
Of course what happens next is that he’ll get frustrated by the lack of winning and try to make every shot himself.
Smart has to be on his guard about that.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Cousins is the real deal

He is just a beast on the boards and a complete handful for ANY defender. Even the elite Dwight Howard had a hard time with taking him straight up one on one. Earned a couple of quick fouls that way.

There may not be any Center in the league that play him one on one defensively. He is consistently getting doubled and tripled.

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by CowbellKings on Jan 24, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

My theory is. Always that there should be 3 good outside shooters on the floor

With Reke and DMC as our core, that would mean that we need a 4 who can hit 3s and is a decent RBer (we can upgrade but in theory MT Jimmer and Cisco can fill the other 2 spots).
Anybody have a suggestion who fills those quails that we could get?

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd settle for ANYONE

who can consistantly hit a wide open outside jumper

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I would like to see two lights out shooters and a smart athletic big actually.

I only say this because having an extra big who the D has to respect would make things open up a bit more for DMC and also likely help on the defensive end from a shot blocking standpoint. Right now when paired with Hickson who stands outside and shoots 16’ jumpshots rather than use is athleticism, or say Hayes who lacks in the offensive area teams will be able to slack off onto Cousins more. If you had two wings already drawing the D out to respect the 3 and then an additional PF who draws attention DMC and ’Reke would be much more free to either beat a man one-on-one or have great options to kick too when the D commits the extra man.

A stretch 4 may work also but I think that becomes too much perimeter since Tyreke doesnt post his man up much. But I see what you mean by a rebounding big who can hit the three in the mold of a younger Troy Murphy.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I just think it would keep the floor spread ( like Orlando)

And make life easier for our 2 core players going forward.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

One guy that comes to mind is Channing Frye.

He can both hit the 3 and rebound in bunches, though he doesn’t do either consistently. Ryan Anderson, of course, would be the prototype, or Murphy. Really, though, perimeter shooting paired with defense and rebounding is a tricky wishlist.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 24, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

His contract is a little long

4yrs 32 million plus or minus
but yeh, he would work

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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by section214 on Jan 24, 2012 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Recap, Aykis

I would like to argue this one point;

the Kings trailed between 15-20 points for most of the game, thanks to a 19-2 run by Portland over a 6 minute stretch in the 2nd quarter. The Kings never recovered.

Yes, Portland went on a 20 to 7 run in the last 6:25 of the quarter, helped by some turnovers and poor shots on our part. But, what let them keep that lead was our poor interior defense and help defense the entire game.

Portland only shot 6% better than we did, so were they hitting their 3’s better or their mid to long range jumpers better. No, from 10 ft out to the 3pt line the Kings had the exact same number of made shots and shot attempts. They had one more basket at the 3-9ft range but we had eight more points at the FT line. So, away from the rim, the Kings led by 6 pts.

Unfortunately, Portland made 23 of 37 shots at the rim for 62.2% and the Kings were only 14 of 32 for 43.8%. So, yes, they did have a run, but what allowed that run to stand up and what keep us from getting back in the game was the fact that we gave up too many easy baskets in the paint the entire game.

Yes, our half court game isn’t very good and a little predictable, and we could have been just as good as Portland in transition had we finished the fast breaks better. But, what is really making it hard to be competitive game in and game out is the help defense around the rim.

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by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 10:23 AM PST reply actions  

That help D at the rim

I really thought Hickson would do well there. He gets turned around way too easily.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, Hickson is constantly out of position on D

Especially on the pick and roll. It is hard to watch.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Great point and one that is understated this year.

The lack of a shot blocking presence hurts inside. DMC does a great job of taking charges and altering shots on the drive but there is nobody who can defend once they are already inside as nobody blocks shots on this team. Someone like a BirdMan, Udoh, or an Asik off the bench even would greatly help that interior Defense I think.

by WebberDynasty on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

?

Is there a stat that separates out At the rim for half court defense? If so, how do the Kings compare?

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure if this helps

For this season, the league average FG% given up at the rim is 62.9% the Kings are the highest at 70.7% and Minnesota is the median at 15th allowing 63.2%.

From 3-9 ft. the league average is 37.5% and the Kings are at 9th worst at 40.5% while the Spurs are 13th at 37.5%

From 10-15 ft the league average is 37.8% and the Kings are 5th worst at 41.3% while N.O. is 16th at 38.3%

From 16-23 the Kings are 19th just below the league average 37.6% at 37.4% while the Raptors are 17th at 37.8%

And, from 3pt range, the league adjusted average (eFG%) is 50.8% while the KIngs allow only 45.9% which ranks 5th best. Now there are two ways to look at this. Our opponent only take the league average for shots from 3pt range of about 18 per game. So, we could be doing a good job of defending the 3pt shot, or it could be that they just score too easily at the rim that they don’t need to take 3pt shots to outscore us.

Teams take the 3rd highest number of attempts at the rim where we give up the highest percentage. They take the 2 highest number of attempts in the 3-9 ft range where we give up the 9th highest number of attempts. In the mid range shots the take the 19th most shots, on long 2’s they take the 24th highest number of shots and from the arc they take the 12th highest number of shots.

So, it’s hard to say if they don’t shot as well away from the rim because of our defense, or it’s so easy to score in the paint that they don’t take enough shots outside to get a valid sample size.

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by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I will run the numbers around in my head for a while and try to pick. An explanation that bodes well for the King’s future. Thanks again.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It is true that we don't have good shot blockers down low.

Garcia is our 2nd best shot blocker at 0.5 per game behind Cuz at 1.5 per game. For his size JT is horrible ranking 8th on the Kings at 0.3, Hayes is 5th at 0.38, and JJ is tied with Tyreke for 3rd at 0.4. But we were just as bad last year with Dalembert, so one individual isn’t going to fix the problem.

These guys have to learn who to defend their goal as a team. And, it needs to start with defending the pick & roll, and continue into unselfishly moving over to cover the helpers man. We’re continually seeing 3,4 even 5 players defending the paint when Tyreke slashes. While the opposition guards waltz to the rim without even one hard foul all game.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 24, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Has there ever been a "bad" defense...

…that’s lead the league in shot blocking? I ask out of curiosity. Any stat heads around here run an analysis of how the good shot blocking teams also rate in terms of total defensive efficiency (DRtg or whatever other appropriate measure could be used)? I’d be curious to know, but I’m too lazy to do the research myself…

by outrider on Jan 24, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

As soon as Tyreke starts driving

whever is in the paint should try to drag someone out. If they don’t follow it should leave someone(s) open for a short jumper.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

But the best thing that could happen

is that Tyreke should consistantly pull up for the 10-12 footer.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He's the main culprit

But it seems like we have multiple guys that eschew the pull up to drive in to the teeth of the defense. Load up the Beno highlight reel and show ‘em how it’s done!

by outrider on Jan 24, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And the worst thing that can happen to this theory is currently happening.

JJ Hickson jump shots.

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by Wonderchild on Jan 24, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm starting to get a kick out the repetitive Kings.com headlines after losses:

(12/28/2011) DMC’s Double-Double Not Enough In Portland
(1/23/2012) DMC’s Double-Double Not Enough To Beat Blazers

by feelgood on Jan 24, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

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