Salmons #1 on Hollingers All Disappointment Team
John Salmons, Sacramento
And saving the worst for last, we go to Salmons, who has the worst PER of any player with at least 400 minutes played. This is doubly impressive because he had an off year the previous season in Milwaukee and figured to bounce back some; instead, his PER has dropped by nearly five more points, which again gives him one of the league's worst declines. Somehow, he's started every game, even though he hasn't made more than half his shots in any of them; he's at 34.5 percent for the season and has made 11-of-51 from 3. While we're here, I'll again mention that the Kings traded down in the draft in order to acquire Salmons and the three years and $25 million remaining on his contract, and they also sent out a pretty decent player (Beno Udrih) who happens to play the one position where the Kings have no players at the moment.
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I want to say something snarky but I can't
This was a big time swing and miss by GP
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think Salmons is like a true fish
He has come upstream to spawn, he shot his load and is now dying! The American River is a where all good Salmon go to die in the west.
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by want2win on Jan 24, 2012 12:40 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Can't believe I am actually saying this...
but GP needs to go. He has made some really terrible trades and he just doesn’t seem too interested in this team doing good or at least thats how it seems to be.
...maybe he is not too interested in this team doing well.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
That would be pretty alarming wouldn't it?
I want to give Geoff the benefit of the doubt but it seems like he is too comfortable in his position as gm, and he feels as if he could make whatever moves he wants to make.
by deucedeuce on Jan 25, 2012 12:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That would be very alarming, but you were the one to first say it...
he just doesn’t seem too interested in this team doing good or at least thats how it seems to be
If you notice, I repeated almost verbatim what you said.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
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and Burkle.
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Burkle would make a terrible GM...
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I totally agree
Pritchard would make a good GM with this team. Always active in trades and has an okay draft record (even through he selected Oden over Durant).
I’d say Petrie is a slightly better drafter, but Pritchard is more likely to “shot gun” a draft and nab as many picks as he can get.
Pritchard is better in free agency and trades, as he’ll pick up solid veteran role players (note Andre Miller, Marcus Camby). Petrie is more likely to shot gun bottom of the barrel players in free agency, in hopes one of them turns out good, so that he can offer them a 5 year, $8 mil/season contract a year afterwards (note Beno, Salmons).
Don't have an exact name for you
But maybe someone a bit younger who is on the come up? Just need some changes to shake up this organization and let them know they can just keep losing and keep their jobs.
by deucedeuce on Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
How about "KAHN"
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My guess would've that this was a Westphal acquisition
No real grounds to base this on, just pure speculation.
by Merickel on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That's not really an excuse
Whoever pushed for it this is on GP because GP pulls the trigger.
My biggest issue is everyone else on the planet knew this was a horrendous trade, why the hell didn’t GP? It’s mind-boggling.
by Allbenji on Jan 24, 2012 1:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I’ve been trying to look for a reason to blame it on PW, but even if PW begged for him it’s Petrie’s job to see that Salmons doesn’t fix anything and pass on him. He should have been happy at 7 and had a pick of the 3 PG’s. Then amnesty Beno (it seemed like everyone knew the amnesty was a lock).
I’ve been a huge Petrie supporter, but it’s getting hard to defend him these days. Get rid of Petrie and the Maloofs and start over on the management side. I feel thats our biggest problem.
by SharkKings49 on Jan 24, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Truly is mind boggling.
No question at all that was and is a bad trade. A negative by addition. Let alone what he’s doing now, Even if Salmons was performing at the same level as last year, the trade would still be considered bad.
Lets be honest
So everyone thought it was a horrendous trade, but not for the reasons that have unfolded.
The main bone of contention around StR was that John Salmons was a ball-hog, and would not fit with the existing group of ISO players. But Ball-hogging has not been the problem. The fact that he has lost a step has been the problem. The fact that he cannot shoot worth shit has been a problem. And the fact that he has been playing small forward when he is better suited for off guard has been problem.
It was a somewhat fair assumption, I think, that Salmon’s poor year last season was an anomaly, related to injuries, and that this season would be a reversion to more consistent production. That assumption has proved a big mistake, and in actuality we are witness to a steady decline of an over 30 year old player who seems to lack the passion for the game required to succeed against mainly 20 something competition.
It was a gamble that failed dreadfully, and will cost the team $11 million in salary obligation (25 million due to Salmons versus 14 million due to Beno), the price of a failed bet. What I am saying is I can understand what the Kings were trying to accomplish: free time for Jimmer, unload a player in Beno who they felt had limited value, and shoring up a position that was chronically weak.
Terrible trade in retrospect, but the rationale to make it existed.
Would I have made the same trade? Hell no, but I would guess there were about zero other teams willing to trade for Beno and his contract, and Jimmer needs to be on the court. So you either have a log jam in the back court, and a void at SF, or a potential solution at SF and minutes for your prized rookie.
I don’t blame fans for lambasting the trade, but I think it is at least fair to acknowledge that there was a method to the madness.
Smart Era, y'all.
by bench_blob on Jan 24, 2012 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
1.8 assists per game while ranking 4th on the team in FGA in spite of being 10th in FG%
Yes, the concerns about Salmons being ball dominant were waaaaaaay off.
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by section214 on Jan 24, 2012 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Salmons is shooting only 8 times in 28 minutes per game
You are misinterpreting the numbers. On a shot per 40 minute basis, he is 8th out of 12 players, but nice try.
He hasn’t been a ball hog at all, he just sucks.
Smart Era, y'all.
Yes, we should take the per 40 stats instead of the actual in-game stats
Swing and a miss.
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Adding,
if you believe that there is a statistical argument that Salmons is changed player since the last time that he was here, more power to you. When I watch the games I see the same guy – a guy that shoots more than he gives it up, a guy that will dribble down a shot clock, and a guy that is absolutely no fun to watch play. He has done absolutely nothing to change the concerns that I had when we re-acquired him.
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One additional item to note
He’s been on a steady decline the three seasons prior to coming here:
2008-2009 – PER 16.0, TS% .580, 3p%: .417
2009-2010 – PER 14.7, TS% .553, 3p%: .382
2010-2011 – PER 12.8, TS% .510, 3p%: .379
Current Season – PER 7.4, TS% .406, 3p%: .216
How can his poor performance this season be a surprise to anyone?
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He's a changed player for sure, he's worse!
But ball-hogging is not the problem. His usage rate is 14.5%. When he was here before it was 18.5%. Taking 8 shots in 28 minutes is not ball-hogging. A player on the court that many minutes should shoot it that much when the expectation is that he will play secondary role to contribute to offense.
The main point while no one liked the trade, granted, I don’t think it is fair to say we knew it would be this bad. Salmons TS% has been around 55% most of his career, and 51% last year. This year, it is 40.6%.
The question now is when does Coach Smart start slicing his minutes significantly and giving Donte the same extended opportunity Mr. 7.42 PER has received? I say that time is now.
Smart Era, y'all.
Actually people thought it was a horrendous trade for a variety of reasons
I didn’t necessarily think last season was an aberration, due to Salmons age and mileage.
Many thought it was ridiculous to trade down in the draft and pick up the worse contract. Had nothing to do with Salmons ball-hogging nature. That was just an additional kick in the crotch.
It was bad asset evaluation by Petrie, period. It was decried by many here and national writers as a completely boneheaded trade from a fair value standpoint. To say everyone here felt otherwise at the time is revisionist history.
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by otis29 on Jan 25, 2012 4:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jimmer needs to be on the court?
Says who? That’s a mistake in of itself. When was the last time a team dumped their only proven starter for an unproven rookie before the rookie has even touched an NBA floor? It’s moronic. I guess Cleveland is one but Baron Davis was on the verge of retirement. And Jimmer was not a #1 pick or even thought to be a possible starter in this league according to many pundits.
I’m sorry but you’re “method to the madness” seems very flawed.
by Allbenji on Jan 25, 2012 9:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
What you do is
Keep your vet until said rookie takes his minutes by earning it. Similar to Rubio earning his minutes in Minny. Then you either dump Beno or keep him until he is proven obsolete. You don’t trade him for an aging 2 guard, ballhog, with a horrendous contract, to add to your team of freaking 2 guards
Terrible trade, terrible thought process, just terrible. Period, end of story.
by Allbenji on Jan 25, 2012 9:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don't need an apology
Its not my method. I didn’t like the trade. I am just trying to offer the perspective of the Kings FO based on what I was able to piece together after the trade was consummated, based on what Geoff Petrie and the former coach voiced, and looking objectively at the players involved.
Smart Era, y'all.
This is true validation for those of us who have condemned the Beno-Salmons trade from the get go.
This is a smack in the face to Petrie, to the Kings franchise, and to Salmons.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
In my opinion...
Salmons needs to be on a contending team in order to be motivated.
"Guys, I'll tell u what... With a few draft picks and some worthwhile trades,
we could make the playoffs in or 4 years."
by Ichiban on Jan 24, 2012 8:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think you're right
I don’t hate Salmons. I just think he doesn’t fit. He also wasn’t exactly jumping for joy when he heard he was coming back(it seems)
I’m sure he doesn’t want to finish his career with a bottom feeder. Who would?
by Allbenji on Jan 24, 2012 9:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I tend to agree with you.
This is just another reason to be added to growing list of Reasons Petrie Should Not Have Traded for Salmons.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Maybe it's the headband
too tight or something. Hey, it’s a working theory.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 24, 2012 11:28 PM PST reply actions
Maybe that gross ass beard
Is sapping his motivation. It’ actually a parasite in disguise. A la a MonStar in hair form.
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That trade continues to defy belief
How could everyone with half a brain see that was a horrendous trade at the time other than Geoff Petrie?
Petrie has made some decent calls the last few years, but that trade alone is a fireable offense.
I bet the Bucks' front office was expecting Ashton Kutcher to come out of nowhere
After the deal was made. What a joke.
by Allbenji on Jan 25, 2012 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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