No Easy Answers For the Kings' Problems

sorry had to do it

Actually this can turn into kind of a fun game thinking of the reboots that didn’t exactly work out quite as planned

I don’t even want him to trade for a star. Just someone who compliments what we have, ill be more than happy wit a trade that nets us Hinrich, Mo Williams, Paul Millsap and to a lesser extent Corey Brewer, Shawn Marion types.

This is awesome. He’s so pissed right now.

Haha prize pack for best tweet? Nice.

are playing is awful. It’s how Reke has played since his rookie year, which is OK when everyone on your team is bad. But now we’ve got some guys that can finish like Jimmer (from 3) or Cousins inside but Reke still drives into the teeth for a terrible play way too much. He certainly isn’t the only culprit. The entire team does it.

Been waiting for Tyreke to improve upon this style of play for a while and there still isn’t an iota of hope. I totally agree with trading anyone outside of Cousins.

I’d gut the roster outside of Cousins and hope for the best. Rebuild fail.

Other than DMC, I’m not seeing any potential franchise level players, unless Evans starts making some quantum leaps.

Evans is drifting (albeit slowly) toward cut-our-losses-with-this-guy waters instead of i wish we could extend this guy right now!!! waters, which is disturbing, since it was hoped he would become a franchise cornerstone.

As for Jimmer, his strength is perimeter scoring. I’m very unsure of how he will develop as any type of facilitator. His worst moments that I’ve seen have come from him attempting to do things off the dribble. I think at best he’ll be an average defender.

At this point I’m open to some audition type minutes for guys like whiteside and honeycutt, say 8-10 minutes a game for now. some commodities are known (like that our 3 spot is a desolate wasteland), so let’s see who can do what as we attempt to escape this quagmire.

Is that Cousins can play awesome with just about anybody.

Evans can play by himself on just about any team. But I don’t see him as a playmaker and dear god, imagine if we had a real point guard instead…life would be grand.

Or the Outlaw signing?

Several I can think of this year, many in the last few years

I do agree with your overall assessment of the players. Rec’d

One thing that makes it easier for me, is the knowledge that only 3 players on the Nuggets have been on the team since before 2010. 2010 That means that they have learned to play as a team both offensively and defensively at a very high level, in a very short period of time.

Certainly, we don’t have a George Karl and haven’t really had a decent coach for a long time, but we seem to be in better hands now. I like the fact that we have a head coach that seems to know how to handle two dynamic guards. That gives me hope for Jimmer and Tyreke.

We already have some very good reserves who just happen to be starting, so add a starting 3 & 4 in the next year, and I’m certain the growth will be extraordinary.

The reply button so we can tell what comment you are responding to. To be honest, I don’t mind a 2 guard who is a little selfish. It shows me he wants to score. My biggest issue with Jimmer early this season was that he was not taking the shots he should have. If Thornton was averaging 20+ points a game this year, like he was last year, nobody would be complaining about him being a ball hog. And honestly 3.5 assists per game is not point guard numbers, but it’s decent. Finally, ball hog playing comes back to coaching. I fully anticipate that Smart is going to tell players what he wants from them and hold them to it. I’m already seeing some changes in Donte since Smart took over.

He wouldn’t help our future at all, but at least it would give me a reason to watch these blowouts. No time for practice? Iverson will show us the way.

take care of their bodies, and if you are tired you do not perform to the best of your abilities, right?

Of course, I didn’t type anything to begin with. But that nothing that I did type (how to type “nothing,” I don’t know) wasn’t sarcastic.

Tyreke is still the best player on this team, therefore he gets the blame by the sheeples. I like that he “hasn’t improved”, sorry, you’re either blind or just ignorant. Tyreke has improved his game and is becoming a pretty good ball distributor. Tyreke is one of the few players on the team, that when his shot isn’t going in, can contribute elsewhere on the floor, which wasn’t the case in his earlier years.

I think the problem is people are holding Tyreke to some absurd expectation levels. He started off so dominate people for some reason think he’s the next Lebron James and now that he is showing that, sorry, he isn’t Lebron, they want his head.

Tyreke is the last player on the team I’m worried about.

You’re a jimmer fan, but not a kings fan… Why are you on a board with kings fans again?

Giants suck

You need talent to trade for talent. Too many people including the Kings front office felt that all their cap space would bring in new talent. But, with the new CBA came exemptions, and amnesties, and delays in implementing changes. No one was forced into giving up talent for cap space to avoid Luxury tax penalties, so that’s what we ended up with instead of Talent. This is going to change.

But for now the only way we acquire talent with which to trade, is to develop the talent we have. So, the first thing isn’t to find our holes but to find the players we now have that have a higher ceiling than they are showing right now. Take those players and develop them, then decide which ones work well together and which ones can be traded for a player of need.

For all the complaints about GP and the FO, I think it wasn’t a coincidence that they fired most of the old assistants and brought in Smart and Jackson. Two coaches that know how to coach guards.

It is my true belief, that Jimmer, Tyreke, & Thornton will benefit greatly under the new coaching staff. DeMarcus, JJ, JT, Donte, and Honeycutt should all benefit from the coaching of Alex English. The rest are past their prime or are already at their ceiling. I expect big minutes from that core down the end of the season. And, as they develop, the team will improve and their values in trades will increase.

Where are we hiding him?

He’s in China right now and when his season ends he’ll be a restricted free agent. The Suns have his rights, no way they match.

Geoff Petrie probably has February 15th circled with a big effing heart.

The way for the players to weather the cold and slush of losing is to be a family type of team. I don’t think Keith Smart can be said to be an instant success but he will keep these players together better than Coach Westphal and that means that the beastly DMC will not truly ask for a trade despite the losses.Growing together will build a winning team faster than shuffling the deck as often as the Assinine Trade Thread would like.

Keith Smart has another two weeks, and then they need to put Alex English’s youngest child in charge.

So, now we’re only giving Smart 3 weeks to do what Westphal couldn’t accomplish in years.

There is youth, and maybe a poor mix of complimentary talent, but there is talent. All we have to do is develop it and mold them into a team. Even good player doesn’t come into the NBA, and turn it upside down. Well, maybe a couple every decade.

Our players have talent. They just need to be taught how to use it properly. Something no one ever accused Westphal of being able to do. Especially if they saw any of the Pepperdine teams he coached.

I can’t believe that so many people got me to believe that t firing Westphal would solve our biggest problems.

Clearly, you read what you wanted to read.

But if you can trade him for someone who is as good and compliments this team better i think you pull the trigger. That does not mean trade him for decent role players. But I’m fine with keeping him and finding other ways to fill this teams needs. but the organization sucks so who knows if that will ever happen

I do think hit veteran presence could help, but I wouldn’t want to give up JT or JJ to get him.

JT is playing really well.

And too early to give up on JJ. Don’t think he’s a sunk cost. Wouldn’t want to lose him just to rent Hinrich for 1/2 a year.

One of the interesting stat lines of the early season – John Wall 0-8 from three-point range – for the entire season.

It’s hard to watch this team suck with the tightened up turbo season we are watching, but I have thought this myself: This core is WAY young – but they wont be forever! They are getting good, disciplined advice now (thanks Coach Smart) and trying to BE a TEAM for the first time – as opposed to being just some players on the floor.

Obviously some of our players are bad or poor fits here now that Westphal is gone. But just as obviously (to me at least) is that Evans is JUST LATELY starting to try and really learn the point guard position! He is developing sight-lines, seeing the court, driving then dishing, and keeping his ongoing experiments with an outside shot to a reasonable quantity. Jimmer has been in the NBA for about 12 seconds of an unstable whirlwind first season but he will get his feet and his rhythm that is starting to show just a little now…

This will take more time people. But the core WILL be good under this coach within 2 years is my guess. This whole weird season is just a crazy long training camp for these kids! Next year (if they keep the core 3 together) the game will have slowed a lot for them and the season will seem easy after this one, especially for Fredette.

That makes us a half game behind 33% not 50%.

In an 82 game season, we’d be on pace for 26 wins.

That said I agree we’ve had a rough schedule. I don’t know how much value people place on these stats, but here’s ESPN’s Relative Percent Index and Strength of Schedule stats.

According to those, the Kings have the fifth toughest schedule in the league so far and should be 2-17 (0.111) right now. They should have the worst record in the league right now, but somehow they have four wins that they shouldn’t have. Also they’re tied for the most games played (tied with a lot of other teams) after playing 37% of those games under a different coach without a whole lot of time for the new coach to put a huge stamp on the team. 11 games on the road compared to 8 at home so they’ve spent a lot of that time that could have gone towards practice on traveling. Small sample sizes, I know, but I don’t think there’s any denying that the Kings have had a brutal schedule to start the season.

We have wins against the 12-7 Spurs, the 12-5 Pacers, and the 11-8 Lakers. As awful as the team seems to be in all these blowouts we’ve been racking up, they’ve managed to show a few times that they’re not an awful team. They just play awful sometimes. More often than not. I guess some people don’t believe there’s a difference, but I do believe this team is better than they’ve been showing. I think they’re going to get a chance to show that more when they get some rest and some practice and some more home games (and maybe some of those sub 0.500 Eastern Conference teams).

Make no mistake, I’m not saying we’re a good team, but I think this team is going to improve over the course of this season. And I don’t think that’s optimism as much as it is patience.

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the last 3 weeks, it sure appears like Tyreke has been working on his 2 on 2 passing drills.

so he can restart and get nothing but GOLD when he practices.

1. Rubio seems to be doing just fine, though I’ll admit that he is the exception.

They could both foul out in the 1st quarter.

We may as well give Hassan some burn against NBA level opponents. It’s not like he’ll hurt our playoff chances, right?

When we get blown out by 30, why not put in Whiteside to get the feel of the NBA game. Down 30 and allowing 92 points in the paint say to me that Whiteside is at least worth a try.