Raptor's Calderon on the Block
by broken_360 on Jan 29, 2012 5:18 PM PST
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The King's needs are basically the PG position and the SF position. As of this moment Jimmer and Isaiah shares responsibility handling the rock, would it be possible we could obtain Calderon? Whats your thoughts guys? Would he fit in with the Kings and also he knows one of our assistants so familiarity issue with the system of ours. Here's the link http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/01/28/sounds.toronto.raptors.are.very.open.trading.jose.calderon..
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Unless part of a bigger deal I dont see it.
I cannot see them trading a Jimmer or Thornton for Calderon and paying that money at this point. If it was part of a bigger deal likely involving more teams that got them Calderon AND a SF then maybe. But I cannot see them having much interest in Calderon alone (in my opinion.)
If it was part of a bigger deal likely involving more teams that got them Calderon AND a SF then maybe.
the sweet deal would be Calderon and Derozen for Jimmer and whoever else( excluding Evans and cousins) it took to make it happen.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 29, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I would take James Johnson along with Calderon
Hickson, Salmons and a 2nd for Calderon and Johnson. Johnson isn’t much of a scorer but he plays solid D at the 3 and the 4. Most of us want a lockdown defender and he’s pretty much that. He’s what we wish Donte actually was minus the rebounding and the 3 ball.
by sac_faithful on Jan 29, 2012 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah guys
I would rather them take Salmons or Garcia, but i don’t think they would like to take that deal unless its paired with a 2nd round pick or another team. As long as Jose is healthy this guy could contribute right away. The best part of his game is his assist department and he can score a definite threat of his defender.
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Seriously?
Calderon for Salmons or Garcia? Is Calderon THAT worthless to you? He’s averaging around a 4.5 assist to 1 turnover ratio
Read the Lines
“I would rather them take Salmons or Garcia”. The Kings could get Salmons or Garcia in favor of Calderon, that’s what i mean man.
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I'd rather make a deal for Eric Bledsoe
The Clippers already have three big money point guards on their team. I liked what I saw from Bledsoe and I think he could be had for cheap. If we really want to make a move for a point guard I think that may be the way to go.
I still think SF is a much more pressing need right now. If we could somehow get Marvin Williams from Atlanta I would do it. I think he’s undervalued and would fit nicely with our team.
I'd bet the Clippers would take Green/Hickson
For Bledsoe/Brian Cook or somebody.
by VenomySnicket on Jan 29, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
JT or Hickson and Garcia for Calderon
They just lost Bargnani and they need a scorer at SF. Both would fill their needs, and Calderon would fill our need at PG.
If anybody on the Kings could be a scorer at SF
Then we wouldn’t be trading them away.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 30, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Kinda crazy everyone loves Rubio
But no one loves Calderon. I see them as the same player. Rubio might have more steals. That’s not a dis on Rubio because I like Calderon.
by Allbenji on Jan 30, 2012 8:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I think Rubio's also going to be a far better defender in the league
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by otis29 on Jan 30, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I secretly think it is because
He looks like an over-the-hill, unathletic white guy, even though he is only 30 and his stats show otherwise.
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by RJinFairOaks on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Calderon is def needed right now
As Jet always says, he’s the type of guy who gets everyone into their natural position. No more hybrid-ing your way through things. The Kings have a bunch of guys who want to run and fill the lanes and shoot. Calderon is the type of player who wants to get those guys the ball in the best position to shoot and score. This is not rocket science. Not sure what or who Kings would have to depart with, but I’d say DMC, Reke, and prob Jimmer are the only untouchables on this team right now. Everyone else is game for a trade.
I'd trade Jimmer for a good point guard
Reke & DMC are the only untouchables for me. Logically untouchable of course. Meaning if we could get Deron Williams & D. Howard with signed extensions for them I would but that’s not going to happen
by Allbenji on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cousins is my only untouchable
But I’d need to see a lot more back than Calderon to move Tyreke.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 30, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Logically untouchable
Is a very difficult thing to define, although I agree with the general premise that Reke and DMC are on another tier.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
by RJinFairOaks on Jan 30, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
If the raptors took back salmons for calderon, colangelo would not be there much longer.
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I doubt he will be anyway
IMO, Thompson, Hickson, IT, Garcia, Greene, Salmons, Honeycutt and Whiteside are all fair game to be traded if the target is Calderon. He’d fit very well. Excellent distributor but weak on defense. We’d still have Hayes, Cousins and Evans who are all average or above on D post trade, I think we can take the hit.
I would remove JT off that list..He is showing improvement and honestly right now we really cant afford to lose him..I do not trust Hickson as the only backup big
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JT is probably the guy they would want the most
Looking at their roster. Hayes and Cousins is a better than average frontcourt imo and Hickson will probably figure it out.
They could really use some help at SF
And with their penchant to obtain international players, Omri Casspi might be just the thing to get it done.
Oh, wait…
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Boy, has that trade been a pile of suck for both teams/players or what?
I guess the tie breaker is that we will eventually give up a draft pick.
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but who will care, itll come during our title parade...
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Unfortunately, Casspi's recent decent play is making it look worse
About the only category Hickson wins outright (advanced stats) is rebounding %.
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What also makes it worse for us
Is the trade contributed to the perfect storm that resulted in the current presence of john salmons on this roster. 2 years was too quick to give up on casspi.
by lchristmas on Jan 30, 2012 9:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
of crouse WE would trade THEM...
the raptors have to want them back though…
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Give 'em J.J
Hickson to Calderon, will that do??But sadly our 1st round pick is gone to the drain if we will not give J.J time to really evolve his game. it’s like a waste but on the bright side we were not even close to making the playoffs this year so i guess it would be beneficial in the long run.
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They already have 2 pretty good young PF's
in Amir Johnson and Ed Davis.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 31, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
I read that the Raptors were looking for PG back in any deal involving Calderon
Looks like Jimmer or IT would have to go for any deal to happen
I read that the Raptors were looking for PG back in any deal involving Calderon
Well, that pretty much leaves us out – we don’t have any point guards on our roster.
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Why would they do that?
Trade Calderon for a PG?
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 31, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions
Youch!
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 31, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
talk about blowing it up
Calderon is a piece that many, many NBA teams would love to have. Seemed like they were one or two players away from turning the corner a bit there with the core of Jose and Andrea.
Still, $10M+ is rather steep.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
by RJinFairOaks on Jan 31, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
The team with the most trade assets is Houston
I think lots of teams on the border of contending will head that way. That roster is full of trading pieces and they need to rebuild. I could see the Clippers coming our way asking for a big, it seems they just need 1 solid big off of the bench to be the real deal in winning the West.
I know many here on Sactownroyalty would be heavily against the Kings acquiring a player like Mo Williams, but I bet that a similar trade goes down come the trade deadline. Something like Mo Williams for JJ Hickson.
I could also see a team that will be on the border of making the playoffs making a move, a team like Houston, Memphis, and Utah all battling for the 8th seed in the West. Utah has so many trade pieces, it is insane. I’d love a deal with the Kings and Utah, in which we can rebuild as well as help them compete. But they are loaded with the only thing we have depth in.
This is where I think we could make a big splash and rebuild, by targeting Houston and getting 2 other teams involved that could improve at positions of need and better compete this year with the solid rosters they already have. It is a 4 team deal.
Houston Rockets Receive: Tyreke Evans (from SAC), Donte Greene (from SAC), and Tyler Hansbrough (from INDY)
Indian Pacers Receive: O.J. Mayo (from MEM)
Memphis Grizzles Receive: Jason Thompson (from SAC)
Sacramento Kings Receive: Kyle Lowry (from HOU) and Chase Budinger (from HOU)
Sacramento Kings Roster to finish season:
PG: Lowry/Isiah Thomas/Jimmer
SG: Thorton/
SF: Budinger/Salmons
PF: JJ Hickson/Hayes
C: DeMarcus Cousins/Hayes
-——————————————————————-
Still have our 2012 1st Round pick which will likely be a Top 6, 7, or 8, in which we could land anyone from Jarde Sullinger, Michael Kidd-Gilcrest, Brad Beal, Austin Rivers, Thomas Robinson, or Terrance Jones……AKA, the 2012 DRAFT IS LOADED! And we can slowly rebuild with a true PG, a good SF, and a Top pick in the draft. Then we can unload Salmons, Garcia, and all of our junk in the offseason.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6ooyp8k
Please, I don’t want to hear how this trade is not fair. This is one of the most well thought out and complete deals I’ve ever seen on ST Royalty.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 31, 2012 12:12 PM PST reply actions
This trade is not fair.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 31, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This deal is not very well thought out.
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by TrojanCBB on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Buying high on Lowry and selling low on Tyreke
Just how they draw them up in GM school!
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by otis29 on Jan 31, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, lets see you guys craft something better or give some actual
critique on this rather than trying to be funny, which has failed in every attempt. The love affair with Tyreke Evans must end, he isn’t part of our future. Lowry is having a career year, no doubt, but anyone who has actually seen him play, as I have many times, knows that he has been this good for a long time and it isn’t a fluke. The thing not taught in GM school is how we add a true PG through a trade with a solid young SF, filing 2 positions of need and gaining a draft pick. We part ways with all of our junk in the offseason and have plenty of cap space, and again, as I forgot because I couldn’t copy and paste in from the ‘Trade Machine’ Houston would also deal us one of their 1st round picks, giving us 2 1st Round, and likely 2 lottery picks in one of the deepest and best draft classes in recent memory. I’d love to hear all of your guys ideas for rebuilding, because I have yet to see one on Sac Town royalty that holds any merit, or one that takes an actual risk that is backed by knowledge and a possibility of a bright future. I’ve seen a few proposals that are more bland than a DH Lawrence Novel, where we slowly rebuild and hope to be good again by 2016. We deserve better.
We need to part with DMC or Tyreke, and good young BIGS are much harder to come by than good young guards, especially in todays NBA and especially because TYREKE doesn’t have a real position on our joke of a roster
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Here is the main issue...
I am in no way someone who over-inflates our own talent (if you look at most trade threads I am the Negative Nancy that thinks every one our team sucks).
Having said that, I wouldn’t trade Tyreke for Lowry STRAIGHT UP. Let alone toss in JT and Donte for Buddinger.
Tyreke may have his flaws as a player, but if you surround him with complimentary parts, instead of parts that are John Salmons and Travis Outlaw, he will continue to improve. And his ceiling is much higher than Lowry’s.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
You set yourself up for it
Please, I don’t want to hear how this trade is not fair. This is one of the most well thought out and complete deals I’ve ever seen on ST Royalty.
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Wait, what?
Please, I don’t want to hear how this trade is not fair. This is one of the most well thought out and complete deals I’ve ever seen on ST Royalty.
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by otis29 on Jan 31, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"The Cisco and a #1 for Granger" deals are offended by this.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
funny stuff dude. man, that was classic. so funny.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 31, 2012 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
great critique from all here
so, please explain how this is not fair.
I’d love to hear it.
Each team receives what they need, we dump Tyreke. The Pacers add the SG they need and only have to part with a PF. Memphis gets a good big they need with Randolph out. And the Rockets can continue to compete while also rebuilding for the future with Tyreke. We get a TRUE PG and good young SF. I forgot to mention, because I couldn’t get it to work on the TRADE MACHINE, but HOUSTON would also give us 1 of their 2 1st round picks in this upcoming draft loaded with talent.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 31, 2012 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
Okay: (I don't care if it's "fair" for anyone the kings)
First, you didn’t mention getting the pick.
I believe tyreke has more trade value around the league than this. I’m not at all sure that chase buddinger is a starting nba small forward. I don’t want to throw away a jason thompson and leave us one more chuck hayes separated shoulder from hassan whiteside, only big on the bench.
by lchristmas on Jan 31, 2012 1:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am not a huge tyreke supporter
And I think this would be an awful trade
by lchristmas on Jan 31, 2012 1:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We trade Tyreke and Green
for Lowry and Budinger?
I fail to see an upgrade – or even more youth.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 31, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
Wow.
Sounds like a politician with his description of “well thought-out”.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 31, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Did you watch the last game?
That’s what we are waiting for night in night out. Lowery has the numbers but doesn’t dominate like Tyreke.
by sac_faithful on Jan 31, 2012 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with that, Lowry can't dominate a game like Tyreke
But yes, I did watch the game last night, but on that note, did you see DeMarcus!?
Perhaps throwing JT in this trade was too much, in hindsight, and I thank all the comments for pointing that out. I guess for me it is personal preference, and I personally don’t see Tyreke as part of our future - I see DeMarcus. And I think we need to get as much as we can for Tyreke, so, perhaps we need to contact a team more in need of a 2-Guard, not Houston, but a team like Indy.
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Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
Here's the best I can do without including Tyreke or Jimmer
To the Raptors: Chris Kaman
To the Hornets: Francisco Garcia, Jason Thompson, Donte Greene
To the Kings: Jose Calderon, Linas Kleiza
Raptors get salary relief in the offseason, Hornets get immediate salary relief and two prospects, Kings get the best player in the deal and a SF in Kleiza, who will hopefully eventually bounce back from microfracture surgery.
You wouldn't consider a trade that swaps Calderon and Jimmer (in some package)?
It makes alot of sense…not to mention pure living situations, whereby Jose gets to move back to his native Mediterranean climate, and Jimmer moves to one of the closest NBA cities from his hometown of Glens Falls.
I get the impression, particularly given Jimmer’s dad’s role in his life, that he is going to get homesick fairly quick. I also don’t think that his (or his entourage’s) first impression of the Sacramento franchise is doing us any favors. This is probably for another thread though.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
I'm not "giving up on him", just evaluating trade value in kind
and player situations. Which is what any GM should do.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
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