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Bring on the Reckoning

I admit to committing the cardinal sin here of posting while angry, but I can't help it. It seems my threshhold for bs is much lower than that for liquor. But I digress...

Star-divide

I have been supportive of Paul Westphal as coach in this infant of a season if for no other reason than I can be a bit of a contrarian, or so some say.

I sincerely believe that he should have been allowed the opportunity to try and mold a new team with a new offensive system - and given time to see his experiment succeed or fail on its own merits - but that eventuality seems to carry the weight of a soggy fart at this point. Sorry Paul, can't ride with you now. The mob has spoken loudly, and if there's one thing we know about a mob, they never act on impulse. Logic is their signature. Reason, their avatar.

No, you didn't shine while you were here. Didn't sniff the playoffs. Had no eye for talent... except maybe for saving Beno Udrih from the scrap pile and trying to convince Spencer Hawes and Omri Casspi that they actually were not the reincarnations of Hakeem Olajuwon and Dominique Wilkins but could possibly round into serviceable role players. Crazy bastard, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?

I'm ranting, I'm sorry. It's painful. And if I read one more post about underdeveloped talent I'm going to pitch a fit to make Gary Busey look collected.

Since patience is now officially dead, sorry Paul, but you must take your refreshing candor and exit the building. The mob has spoken. Such is today's NBA. If you want to get your boss fired, all you have to do is pretend you play soccer for four quarters every other night.

No, Westphal won't be here to kick around much longer, that seems clear. But first, a warning to the mob: Reap it bitches! Wanna dream about respected coaches descending into Sac Metro to save the franchise, go right ahead. Aint gonna happen, though. Not while the Maloofs refuse to get off their significantly smaller wallets and ink some firepower. No star talent = no star coach.

I wonder who will draw the ire after the inaugural woeful display under the new regime. Lucky the team was able to snag Keith Smart for the bench, what with all those head coaching offers being lobbed his direction.

Love him or loathe him, you have to give Westphal credit for his on-the-screws assesment of Cousins. He really is determined to go his own direction. He played his ass off in Denver while the rest of the team stunk on ice. Guess he knows talent after all.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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There's nothing like a good "I told you so" post in the morning

Funny, most people wait until they are proven right before doing so, but YMMV.

Here’s my take on Westphal – nice guy, did a bang-up job with Cousins last season but otherwise he’s done very little of note. The players aren’t getting better, the product isn’t getting better, he’s gone to war with one of his bright young talents to start the season, and the team is getting blown out pretty regularly.

I think he’s doing more harm than good at this point.

Don’t forget, PW was not in demand when he hired him. He’s allegedly attempting to initiate a new offense, one that looks awfully familiar to the old one. And my eyes see a team that’s not responding to him and is losing their hustle.

You may think 7 games is a kneejerk reaction, but it’s the perfect time to move on from Westphal. It’s still early enough in the season to right the ship and get these guys pulling in the same direction. And if a guy like Keith Smart isn’t the answer, you haven’t really lost anything.

You speak of patience. I’d say Kings fans have been excessively patient, and to say otherwise is ridiculous.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 4:49 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

I agree Kings fans have been patient

But continue to tear things down every couple of years and how do you build anything? Players, coaches … the revollving door mentality IMO prohibits any growth from happening.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

In a very real sense, yes

I think ultimately this was his most damning mistake. But the isolation offense last season was just as big a mistake. Other players (Cousins, Thornton) would have hated playing with Tyreke if that system stayed intact.

Terrible timing trying to revamp the offense when you have a truckload of new starters and don’t have a training camp.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think Dick Motta was fired prematurely?

Paul Westphal has the same record (.298) as Motta, after coaching 10 more games.

"Where hope goes to die"

by napg on Jan 5, 2012 6:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Well...

Maybe not, but the two have wildly contrasting coaching styles. But what would serve my point better was that the three coaches to follow Motta were not any better: Rex Hughes (.386), Garry St. Jean (.403) and Eddie Jordan (.340).

Honestly. This is what I expect to see when a team routinely swaps out mediocre coaches every couple of years. Makes the team look proactive, but maybe they are just playing a shell game instead.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 7:08 AM PST up reply actions  

And leaving Westphal in place is going to improve the product long term?

Going with the status quo when it’s not working is just as bad as making change for changes sake isn’t it?

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I would agree

But I feel it’s too early to make that call. I think of this season like it’s his first with the team. There are too many new pieces in place to call it a carryover to me.

I think you can still evaluate his progress in another 10-12 games and sacrifice nothing. This team wasn’t playoff bound IMO anyway. You can fire him at any point this season and be in the same place when it’s all done.

Anyone who is unhappy now would still be placated if he’s gone for next season, hopefully this gives the team time to figure out what to do next.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree to disagree

If you’re going to wait much longer to get rid of him, I think they might as well give him the whole season.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, in that case...

How many wins do you think Smart adds to the team starting tonight?

Not being confrontational, I would just like a qualified support of making a change now.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

If it goes that way

I would hope for the same thing.

Would you prefer that they keep Smart beyond this season? If not, who (or what kind of coach) would you like to see hired next year?

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

Good pedigree with the Spurs, but does an assistant have the hand to control this team or will it need to be stripped down?

Talent upgrade is an imperative IMO.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

No idea

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, you don't want Westphal fired.

(Which point you could have made without insulting the entire StR community, but I digress.)

Maybe you could give some examples of things he is doing right. I mean, beside the swipe you took at Hawes and Casspi. Or maybe you could give us a breakdown of why you think his offense is brilliant and works to perfection if the team would actually run it. Or regale us with a story of how he has helped develop at least one of our young players into more than what most people saw as his potential.

No? Me, neither.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 AM PST reply actions  

I don't care if he's fired or not

I think it’s a mistake if you want to improve the team to repeatedly yank a coach only to replace him with a different-looking clone.

But maybe they get lucky with a college coach. I doubt it based on the salary the new coach will be paid, but let’s say they strike gold.

A college coach would be the only likely successful possibility at this point because the team seems determined to draft projects and use free agency and trades to create a college-like turnover on the roster. College coaches are used to reloading every year.

But wait, didn’t they just try this with Theus? How well did he develop talent?

Coach isn’t the problem, he’s the smokescreen.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 AM PST up reply actions  

And tell me this

Since when has a talented NBA player needed a coach to develop their talent? I find the idea obsurd. NBA head coaches are not teachers, they are managers, and if you need them to be teachers you have the wrong players.

Jordan and Kobe never had a coach teach them how to shoot, Magic how to pass, Rodman how to dress like a freakshow. These guys took it upon themselves to seek help or go hit it hard in the gym in the offseason.

DeMarcus’ weight loss this offseason was a good sign, however – and I don’t mean this as a tongue-in-cheek slam in any way – but maybe a better sign of his potential would have been him seeing a shrink all summer.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Any player coming into the league

Needs a coach to teach him how the game is played at the NBA level. You want to know why all our young players look like a college team could beat them? Because they’ve never learned the difference between the two very different games.

Phil Jackson taught both Kobe and MJ how to play the game. He put them into a very set, very effective offensive system. Magic’s passing was only effective because there were plays designed to make the most of that ability. The Rodman thing? I have no idea where you’re going with that. But I’d like to point out that while Rodman played for Phil Jackson, he was under control (for him) and he was used to maximize his talent. He wasn’t required to shoot or pass, just defend and rebound.

The whole DeMarcus comment is just an insult. He’s not crazy, he’s immature. And it doesn’t help that he has a confrontational, passive-aggressive coach.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 5, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I respect your opinion

But I disagree with all of it. And that’s okay.

Jackson’s first year coaching the Bulls was 1989, Jordan’s sixth season in the league. In the 88-89 season, Jordan shot .538 from the field, one tick shy of his career best. Jackson took over the Lakers in 1999, Kobe’s fourth season. Bryant shot .468 from the field the year before… again, one tick shy of his career best. Both players had steadily improved their shooting percentages every year since coming into the league while playing for multiple coaches.

Magic was a game-changing passer back at Michigan State. After averaging 7.9 assists, he was ready to turn the NBA on its head after only two years in college.

And there’s no link between therapy and being crazy. I’m not crazy (no matter what others say) and I have benefited from therapy numerous times over the years. Guys who swing on their teammates – especially the affable Donte Greene, about as unprovocative as they come – have more than just maturity issues. Look at what therapy has done for Metta World… he’s now at Peace.

Maybe Westphal is confrontational, but then isn’t that the point? Don’t young players need someone to challenge them, especially in today’s bizarro world of the NBA, where a 20-year-old makes more in one season than the coach does over the life of his contract? He has to assert authority at some point, doesn’t he? That’s true of any coach, not just Westphal, and there are only a handful of coaches that can fall back on a championship to warrant respect in the locker room – non of which are in the Kings’ payroll stratosphere.

If there is going to be a boss, I want it to be the coach (whoever that may be), not the second-year player with a season of college under his belt.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

And I disagree with your take on everything.

So, we’ll end this with a friendly handshake.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 5, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough

But please take a look at my request on Ziller’s ‘Trying a little bit too hard’ post and tell me what you think.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I did.

But don’t expect people to see what you see. You’re seeing things through a prism of faith in the coach. Most people have lost that faith. Including some of the players.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with that

But I wouldn’t say I have much faith in the coach. I think he’s ultimately doomed in this situation and won’t last.

I guess I just fear repeating the alternative over and over and having this same discussion in another two years more.

The whole thing makes me want to scratch my brain from the inside, real good and hard.

I just want to see progress.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

Maybe not, but the argument is unchanged. Natt led to Westphal, who was a shaky prospect who was given a bad roster too.

It underlines the need for REAL change – philosophical, procedural change from the top down.

Otherwise, it’s the exact same story – Westphal is Theus, Smart is Natt, Rudy T (or whoever) is Westphal in another year.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think it was a mistake to fire Theus?

no it does infact change the arguement. Just because nomatter what mid season you are likely to not get a huge philosophical change doesn’t mean you just roll out there with the same guy if he keeps making bad decisions (personally I think there is always a little bit of a philosophical, procedural, etc. change but neither here nor there).

And guess what, believe it or not but sometimes this shit gets personal for players and coaches. That often is a big reason why someone’s time has ended.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I would have waited to fire Theus

until the end of the season, but unless I’m wrong, the team was trying to keep Kmart happy.

If someone’s in danger of being knocked out, then make a change yesterday.

I just want some foresight from the team toward getting better.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Firing Theus and hiring Natt as an interim coach didn't do a whole heck of a lot of damage

and was not a sign of a lack of foresight. Now, hiring the cheapest coach in the offseason who nobody wanted is something else entirely but that is not exactly strongly tied to the fact the Kings fired Theus mid season versus after the year.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But there’s a pattern in place.

I have no problem jumping ship with ya’ll. I just need to see an island to swim to.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

For once I am leaving emotion out of my opinion on the team

I feel like (most of) the fire Westphal camp has a personal ax to grind against the coach.

This is what I have seen on the court so far this season regarding the offense: Slowly walk the ball into the offensive sett, pound the ball four times, make one pass then drive straight into two or three defenders and heave. Fast break, two-on-two, swallow the ball and fling it off the backboard then listen for a whistle.

If this is Westphal’s system, then I retract everything and he should go and be banned from coaching until he proves to the league he knows what offense looks like.

The only problem is that in the wins, and for much of last night’s game, this wasn’t the case. There are times the the players share the ball and shoot a confident jumper. Last night notwithstanding, when you see this happen, the Kings are usually in the lead.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 7:35 AM PST reply actions  

Well shit

if when we win games where we share the ball and shoot a confident jumper, everything is going great.

By the way, haven’t seen the great sharing yet in our wins this year to be honest. And I’m the asshole who was mentioning during the game thread with the Lakers how putrid their D was and in the post game thread mentioning how they weren’t getting up on our shooters at all.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why anyone would have a personal axe to grind with Westphal

Outside of his coaching woes he seems to be a stand up classy guy, there isn’t any reason for anyone to personally dislike him

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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

He kicks puppies.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 5, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Certainly

He seems like a great guy, and I was one of the charter members of his bandwagon – even moreseo last season while he was struggling with DeMarcus’ “quirks”.

I just see the same team on the floor doing the same things with the same inept offense and defense as last season. I see a coach who has lost some control of his team and I see a team getting blown out regularly in the early season.

Enough’s enough.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand people not wanting him as coach

I just don’t buy it when he said it’s because of a personal axe to grind

Sanka....you dead? Ya Man

by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Could be wrong, just something I think I see

Maybe it’s because it seems to stack up as a players v. coach scenario and I don’t see nearly as much player-bashing on these threads while they continue to turn out uninspired efforts.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the public statement he made regarding DeMarcus had a lot to do with it

I thought it was a huge overstepping of boundaries, and was only done to isolate him from the team. The GM should have made a Petrie-esque statement that DeMarcus was given the night off due to “behavior detrimental to the team” and left it at that.

At that point, he’s no longer the coach struggling to get everything on track. He looks like a dictator trying to usurp the GM’s authority and drive a young talented player out of town.

Ultimately, I doubt that was his intention, but I could see why some might think that.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

holy shit

sorry the percentages of player to coaching hate aren’t appropriate at this given time. I’ll make sure to fire off a few “Trade Tyreke” fanposts for you.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I admit

I have been consumed by the Westphal controversy since “the statement” and haven’t had much time for other threads.

My bad.

I just cringe whenever I sense professional players are dogging it and someone else catches hell for it. It ain’t high school.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is not at all to say

that Westphal doesn’t have to answer for it too.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

All these gripes are warranted

But it seems to me, whenever a coach is fired, it’s because he’s an easier target than the players. And another universal truth seems to be that the team’s talent is also overestimated.

I have no problem firing a coach if you have a better plan in place. I don’t see one here (admittedly, Petrie’s not taking my calls at the moment).

What’s the endgame? Is there a roster upgrade coming? A legit coach? Or is it change for change’s sake?

I would like answers to at least some of these questions to come before someone loses their job. I want to see it done the right way for once.

Adelman was run out of town under similar circumstances – he had lost the team, was past his usefulness. How nice would it have been to see him stay and his roster adequately restocked with talent?

Are we doomed to live through Groundhog’s Day?

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

See comment above

Does it really hurt anything to keep him for another 12 games?

Are we in any worse shape then?

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Possibly, absolutely yes

trade demands
players quitting
the fact he did a piss poor job previously doesn’t help with disclipine
possible fights could break out behind the scenes if it continues
continued brutal point differentials.
complete apathy from fanbase
apathy turning to anger and bitterness

Yes, a lot worse can happen.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay...

But doesn’t that assume the coach is 100% to blame?

Unhappy players would then be happy again whenever he’s gone, right?

But then, if the players are also to blame, they will carry their baggage on to the next coach won’t they?

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No, it doesn't assume that at all

how on Earth does it make that assumption?

Is this just a “I prefer a proper % of blame laid out on every comment about Coach X and Players A, B, C” post?

And as much as I love the 1-4 flat, and the now lack of plays being called, and our inbound play calling after timeouts, and our complete lack of identity, I am pretty sure a % can be handled to Petrie. But I care less about % of blame. I care about the fact I don’t see anyway the coach can fix his deficiencies and is burning every bridge he needs to figure out and fix this team’s problems. I don’t give one shit about % of blame and not scared about the team making a change unless I have confidence that Petrie can salvage this team. Either that or trade every single player not named Chuck Hayes for pennies on the dollar because this ship is sinking.

And it’s not okay just because it sucks now and one can’t imagine it getting any worse from a fan perspective. We don’t keep driving to hell just because it’s already hot outside.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

But then, if the players are also to blame, they will carry their baggage on to the next coach won’t they?

I love playing in slippery slope land. Only arguement that would appease this question is to trade every single player immediately. Seriously, that is the most rationale way to deal with these types of questions. But you and I both know there is a middle ground.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW... Billy Dee is silky smooth like spun honey

It’s hard to defend an ineffectual coach, and I honestly believe I am defending the process of coaching rather than the coach himself.

But all I have is hope that the parties involved can perservere. I have no hope for return to scrub coach roulette.

Nothing is always anything.

by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think everyone's just as tough on the players as Westphal these days

Almost every guy on this team has been brought up in a trade request inside and outside of game threads. Not sure why Westphal is expected to be any different.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, there's no reason to place fault in any one place -


There’s more than enough fault to go around for everyone!

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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

I've been one of the people against firing Westphal

Not because I think he is an amazing coach. But because of these reasons:

1) In the past (and to some extent now) I didn’t think we had the players to compete. So honestly there was no way of knowing how adequate PW might be as a coach. He seemed to know his x’s and o’s

2) As a Raiders fan, I’ve seen how bad a team looks to prospective players, fans, and other coaches when a team can’t stick with one guy for more than a year. It made it almost impossible to get good coaches, players, and even hurt attendance numbers.

3) I trust GP, who sees much more than we do. If he didn’t think PW was the problem, maybe it wasn’t.

At this point, I am finding it harder and harder to accept that PW knows what he is doing. You’d think that at some point he would say, "We are trying to do x, y, and z, but people aren’t getting to the right places. Several players have said there is no offensive game plan, which is something in and of itself, considering that PW has such a dictatorial control. If players are still willing to say there is no game plan, I tend to believe it.

I still have a big issue with a coaching carousel. If we fire PW and use Smart or whoever as an interim coach, that will be what, five coaches since Adelman? Whoever we hire will be number 7. Please tell me what quality coach is going to jump at that chance. However, I am coming to believe that keeping PW make hurt as even more. He is alienating players and fans alike.

I still trust GP. But one thing we don’t know is what kind of conversations are going on behind closed doors. Is GP telling the Maloofs we need a new coach? Are the owners just being cheap? Is GP trying to cover his butt?

I guess what I am saying is that PW has now built his own rope, he is already polishing the gallows. If the Maloofs thought Adelman was bad PR, they have got to be foaming the mouth now.

With all that said, I do NOT want to fire Westphal until we have a quality, experiences coach waiting in the wings. The Maloofs/GP should be making calls now. As unhappy as I am with Westphal, I do not want to see us replace hi with a college coach/cheap washed up coach/friend of the family, etc

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Unfortunately, I am cynical and have a hard time believing that ownership will offer enough money to lure a competent replacement toward this disfunction. Also, I recall GP saying that he doesn’t look for a new coach while one is still on staff, so an immediate replacement is unlikely; GP is a man of integrity, which doesn’t always go hand in hand with pro sports.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I would say that too

Except we just paid for Outlaw what it would take to hire a new coach. So either we have more money than we think or we are just stupid.

Or both.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I am curious to know

If the motivation to increase payroll, albeit only slightly above the minimum, was to gain good PR, and not for the sake of winning games.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that the motivation was simply to achieve the minimum,

thus avoiding penalty and putting them in line to reap the benefits from the luxury tax pool.

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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose it is that simple

I need to remember to simplify things when trying to understand the Kings owners — which is saying something.

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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

But if that was the only reason

Why take Outlaw now? Why not wait until later in the year and bring on some short term guy?

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

But if $3m is cheap for Outlaw, it should be doable for a name coach

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt about it

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you see Westphal's postgame interview last night?

Hard to watch, he seems completely befuddled.

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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

The last time I saw that look,

the front end of my car suffered $2,500 in damage…and the deer didn’t fare too well, either.

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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm on the "fire Westphal" bandwagon and all

But I really felt bad for the guy. Maybe this is an impossible group to coach, I dunno. But he’s plumb run out of answers.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

And when the coach runs out of answers, you almost have no choice but to look for a new coach.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I do and I don't

He knew that he was coming into a program that was being run on the cheap, and there were not a lot of other suitors banging on his door. He was hired as a placeholder, a bandaid. And it appears that the bandaid is beginning to fall off.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The old "bandaid on a flesh wound" routine

Or should I say the old " tarp on a hole in the roof of an arena" routine.

Dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble...

by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

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