'Trying A Little Bit Too Hard To Do What We're Supposed To Do'
by Tom Ziller on Jan 5, 2012 7:23 AM PST
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PrintPaul Westphal in the post-game comments, in response to a question about why the coach thinks that the Sacramento Kings continually get hammered in the first quarter:
I think that we're trying a little bit too hard to do what we're supposed to do instead of just thinking about playing aggressively. I really think that has a big part of it.
In the first three minutes of the game, the Kings took five shots. Three were J.J. Hickson jump shots. J.J. Hickson shoots 29.8 percent from beyond 10 feet on his career (157-526), according to Hoopdata. There were 13, 7 and 13 seconds on the shot clock on those shots Wednesday night.
How far down on the "what we're supposed to do" list is a J.J. Hickson jumper with 13 seconds on the shot clock?
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I also loved the part where DeMarcus finally got going
and then we stopped giving him the ball at all until it was too late.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 5, 2012 7:27 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Or just took him out of the game?
I guess because he was trying – aggressively against the will of the team.
by towndunce on Jan 5, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
This happened in the Bulls game
Noah and Asik were in foul trouble in the 3rd and Boogie was building some momentum. I turned to my girlfriend and said “This is where we make our run.” Then Westphal pulled him for JJ Hickson. I was flabbergasted.
Go for it all. You're a great champion.
by Muff209 on Jan 5, 2012 8:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It all makes perfect sense. Cousins was ruining the flow of the offense
How we are suppose to give up easy transition baskets if this locker room cancer keeps making shots? It’s a lot harder to not walk back on made baskets
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I’m not sure if PW does this to Cousins to make him continue to suck and allows PW to use him as the excuse for losing or if PW is just an idiot and thinks he really has a good game plan.
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kudos to your dad.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I remember last year,
where DMC owned Channing Frye and on the next play Casspi just took a jumpshot. Now, I hate when Bill Walton joins the announce team, but he even questioned to why Kings didn’t go back to DMC. Our coach really is garbage.
Everyone remember last season, at one point we were doing Free Donte? Well this season we should be doing FEED DMC! lol
It's like whatever he says...
doesn’t matter anymore. One of the reasons Kigs suck is that the offense is rediculously lame and the transition defense and protection in the paint is in shambles…
A lot of that falls on the coach and the O/D sets he puts together.
If they don’t fire Westfail, then he should just quit. He has to know that the team is lost and nobody is playing for him anymore (if they ever did)…
The shooting % is a direct result
of no offensive scheme.
7 games and I can’t figure out what they are even attempting to do on offense to get easy shots.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Seriously
I can’t figure out what they are trying to do on offense either.
To me everything gets fixed with a better offensive scheme.
Made shots give us more time to get back. Wings on other teams leak on all of our shots, and often get a long pass for an easy bucket. If this happens, they score less in the paint, have to run their half court offense, and in result take more difficult shots.
This team isnt getting nearly enough easy shots on offense because there is no offensive rhythm. And it is throwing off every other facet of our game.
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kings need Jim Harbaugh
To come coach. Maybe after niners win the super bowl he can coach the rest of the year. I guarantee we would much better than we are right now
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
by darkadun on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Basketball IQ
Couldn’t believe the difference in unselfishnees/BB IQ between us and the Nuggets. Marcus and Reke were continuously getting mocked by the other teams’ announcers for selfish play. Marcus should come off the bench and be an offensive spark…Reke a slasher on the break and defensive stopper but not a PG….poor man’s Scottie Pippen. And what about trading for SMART players. Nuggets had 3-5 players who were great role players and intelligent and took what was given to them and didn’t force anything..their game looked effortless and smooth. I got a stomach ache everytime we got the ball…..Everyone just trying to get their. For all of his limitaitons and being a rook @ least Fredette tries to playmake
by Pdidd on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
In regards to Nuggets announcers
one thing people need to remember is they had to suffer through the whole Carmelo drama last year and his general style of play for over 7 years. They know selfish basketball.
you speak the truth
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
Must be opposite day at the Westphal house.
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by Ice_9ine on Jan 5, 2012 7:47 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Looks like Donte's on his way to Baltimore
his grandma passed …. from Twitter
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Condolences to Donte and family
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by SayWhat? on Jan 5, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions 13 recs
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Translating PW
When Paul says this:
I think that we’re trying a little bit too hard to do what we’re supposed to do instead of just thinking about playing aggressively. I really think that has a big part of it.
He really means this:
“I have no effing clue.”
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 5, 2012 7:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
He really means:
“It’s their fault! Not mine! They’re executing my ‘plays’ too hard!”
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by Muff209 on Jan 5, 2012 8:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It is no wonder the players are confused at to what they are supposed to do.
If I were a player, taking PW’s words at face value, the message I would take away is that we were putting too much effort to do what we were supposed to do. Therefore, the solution would be to put in less effort.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You know what's sad?
For the first time, that I can recall, I get to watch my favorite team play basketball for 3 straight nights in a row, and I don’t care.
I’ts not apathy either, it’s anger.
I’m angry that this should be a great week for Kings fans. We got our team back, it’s the beginning of a new season, we drafted a couple exciting young guards, Tyreke is healthy, but instead we get this.
Sadly, I love my team, and I’ll be here tonight watching and rooting them on, but enough is enough. It’s time we demand more from this team, and the organization. Kings fans deserve so much better. I hope we get some semblance of effort tonight.
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
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by Dirkula on Jan 5, 2012 8:01 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
we vote with our dollars
then when we take our dollars away, they go on the verge of moving the team. sucks for us :\
I'm right there with you and will be cheering at the game
You should give the Sharks a try. After the Kings blow out, I watched the Sharks beat down the Ducks. It helped me forget about how bad the kings are for a few min.
What I find annoying and others have pointed out that they feel the same way
Is after these games, I don’t even feel like I got my “basketball fix” in. I am so disgusted on whatever the hell the Kings are calling that on the court, that I’m forced to turn on another game(which we won’t have that chance since we’re playing at 7 today) just to get my basketball fix in.
Hell, I even watched the Laker game on Tuesday after the Kings game just to watch some real basketball.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Saw some warriors/spurs last night
and even that looked waaaaaay better, smooth pull up jumpers, actual plays, turned ankles…
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Watching the Nuggets was fun
Unfortunately I was rooting for the other team.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Been doing the same
kind of disappointed in the Rockets. They used to be my go to basketball fix (strongly feel the 08-09 Rockets were the most underrated badass team of the last decade) and thought with McHale they’d be really fun to watch (not a great coach but his Wolves were technically fun to watch play) but they are kind of like the bizarro Kings with some really putrid D.
So they switched from Adelman to McHale
and you thought they’d get better?
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
you thought I said better?
no, thought they would still be fun with a little more offensive explosiveness and perhaps more losses. I just didn’t the competiveness would take a nose dive to 20 to 30 point losses is all.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
you're totally right
I took a liberty there. you did say ‘fun to watch’.
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Well, we know what Rick can do, especially to an offense
Not surprised to see them regress. We witnessed it first hand, though the drop off to Muss was probably greater.
Adelman to McHale is a bad move
PW to McHale would have been better
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
He didn't. He's making a statement, not a denouncement.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I meant it to connect to TheFifthMookie's post right below
To confirm Adelman is great and PW sucks. McHale is somewhere in the middle. too many reply buttons
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
Adelman to McHale
is Adelman to Musselman, redux.
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to the game tonight
and for the first time I am not sure if I want the team to win or lose. If we win, the wife will be fired up and happy wife happy life…if we lose it may be the straw that breaks the camels back regarding firing PW.The two day break until we play Orlando (at home so there is no travel and we could practice both days with interim coach) is the longest break in the schedule for awhile. If the team lays an egg tonight it would be the best time to can PW. After this two day break we are on the road for a long stretch with no significant days off. Here’s to waking up n the morning and reading
Westphal is Firedheadline in the Bee.
Not sure if you need to worry about that...
It may take a lot of broken straws to break his back. He seems to have a lot of resiliency.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I don't know
In the post game interview last night, he looked like a beaten man.
Are those the plays that Westphal drew up?
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Trying to draw charges?
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Really thought this was the offense...somewhere Reke or Thornton are dribbling.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Reke and Thornton are fine and good and all,
but they both cant drive left….at all. Still. Defenses figured this out 2 years ago. Still no adjustments. Not talented enough to turn this into a Haiku.
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that is the last team that I saw as giddy as I have seen this Nuggets team so far this season.
This speaks volumes...
“Defense is effort, and you can bring that every night,” Thornton said. " … Right now, we’re not even trying to get back. The way to win in this league is you have to stop transition points."
Not trying, fairly obvious, so the question is why… and why no big news or suspension for saying “we’re not even trying”.
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
Set an example Marcus and be the lone Kings to get back on defense
we have enough bitching in the media
A lot of times, Jimmer is the only one that pursues the fast break, and of course he gets steamrolled,
which has to be embarrassing, and it pisses me off that the other players aren’t willing to help.
At least he’s trying.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
For those ready for a new coach...
Please, please watch tonight’s game looking objectively at two things:
1) Defensive effort
2) # of passes on offense
The coach is in charge of neither. The team might have already quit playing, which IMO is as big an indictment of the players’ character as the ability of the coach. But I would like to know your honest opinions of these specific aspects of the game tonight.
I will start a post dedicated to this discussion after the game to talk about it.
Thanks.
Nothing is always anything.
The coach IS in charge of both.
It is his job to intervene when they are not being accomplished, either by pulling players, calling effective timeouts and make game time decisions. By allowing players to run iso plays or fall asleep on transition with out significant repercussions is ineffective coaching. What is that Einstein quote? “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again while expecting different results.”
by adamsite on Jan 5, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
also pulling the one player who actually is trying, DeMarcus... by virtue of his own ego
this is pretty damning evidence that pw is a terrible coach
The coach is in charge of neither. The team might have already quit playing, which IMO is as big an indictment of the players’ character as the ability of the coach.
Okay.
How do you fix that?
Coach has no responsibilites
So I guess its up to the players, or maybe a fan can walk into the huddle and say gets your asses back on defense , I want a taco.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 5, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Defense does not win tacos
"Minimize excursions to the basket" - Paul Westphal on defending Derrick Rose
I'm with you on the defensive effort part...that's totally on the players and that's something that's inexcusable when you stop trying.
Putting forth the effort to play defense falls upon the players. However, if players aren’t putting that effort in then it’s on the coach to either call out the player or sub for that player. If the whole team isn’t putting enough effort on defense, then you have to question how much they really care about playing for the coach, no? It sounds unfair to the coach but I have to think if the players cared about their coach then they will go all out for him. The players are a reflection of the coach afterall. Please do not take this as an excuse for the players because I think they should remember they are playing basketball for a living…not working a 9-5 like Jason Jones said.
On offense, I totally blame the coaching. If the guys are lost and are complaing about not knowing what to do…then that’s on coach. The offense doesn’t look organized and the players obviously don’t understand their roles. # of passes on offense is low probably because guys don’t know what to do, who to pass it to, and are trying to make a play themselves.
Frankly, they need to start DMC in the high-post and run the offense through him. He CAN be a willing passer. He commands a lot of attention too. He does get it in the high-post at times but he’s so far out (closer to the 3-point line…much rather see him closer to the free-throw line) that I wouldn’t be comfortable with him taking that outside jumper if the defense gives it to him. Run so off the ball screens and let DMC pick them apart. He can do the job and we’ve seen him do it a bit last year. There will be mistakes but I think he’s a capable learner from that (i.e., taking charges especially after giving them). I think that would be a start. That plus some lineup changes…don’t like Salmons in there. WHY DID WE TRADE FOR HIM AGAIN???!!!!?!?!??
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No clue on Salmons
Nothing is always anything.
by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Even the not getting back on D might be a part of the bad O
I have not looked hard enough to know, but the fact that all 5 guys seem to be freelancing on the floor could be leaving them unbalanced and not having enough guys in position to get back if some how one of their 39% shots fail to go in.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 5, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In my opinion, how is this not the coaches responsibility?
A coach cannot influence the talent level of his team, apart from developing that talent.
What he is directly responsible to influence is the motivation/mindset of his team and the offensive/defensive systems put in place to allow his players to succeed cohesively.
Both of your points are results of these coaching responsibilities.
by brianspider on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why doesn't he bench guys that aren't doing those things?
Isn’t that within his purview?
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Hasn't he done that and gotten blasted for it?
Nothing is always anything.
by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Not that I've seen
Maybe on occasion, but it’s not a hard and fast policy.
Pookey mentioned he had taped and watched every play of one of the earlier games this season and DeMarcus and Tyreke constantly took their time getting back on defense. If one of them was pulled specifically for that reason, it wasn’t apparent.
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although overall I agree with you
but technically the Grizz games was one where the starters didn’t come back and were playing awful D and isolation (don’t recall the complaining but wouldn’t be shocked to see it given the mob has taken over now)
The Coach is 100% in charge of both of them
1) Defensive effort – if you see a player not trying on defense, guess what? You have a handful of guys sitting on the bench who will be more than willing to go into the game
2) # of passes on offense — Again, if you think a player is keeping his head down, maybe the bench player behind him will be more than willing to play. Find a group that is willing passers and play them until said players realizes the only way he’s going to get minutes is if he helps distribute the ball
The team might have already quit playing, which IMO is as big an indictment of the players’ character as the ability of the coach. But I would like to know your honest opinions of these specific aspects of the game tonight.
Only one way to fix this one…
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
He has been swapping guys for effort
And then gets ripped for inconsistent lineups and substitution patterns.
But I agree that when everyone (except for Thornton) seems to have quit playing, the coach has lost control.
It’s just sad that the system works to give control to the people who need direction.
Nothing is always anything.
by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
pretty darn sure it was the whole "hot hand" or "veteran player" swapping going on
don’t recall him taking people out for dogging it at all last year
I really should watch a Kings game and count the individual passes.
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These are both low hanging fruit
1 – this is subjective – I think half of the Kings have good effort but are bad at defense
2 – who gives a shit? If one pass is thrown and it results in a dunk, is that a bad play?
Have you see many dunks yet?
Nothing is always anything.
by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
agreeeeee
1)hustle back in transition
2) rotation on penetration(2,3,4,5 players involved?)
3)denial of easy ball reversal, teams easily running their options
Count passes AND dribbles per player
Also:
How many times the adjust themselves while on the bench.
How many swim moves they do while waiting for a rebound from a free throw.
How many dribbles with left hand as opposed to right.
SCIENCE!!!
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions
Remember the drills where 3 guys had to touch the ball before you could shoot?
That would be a better offensive plan than what we have now.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
What do you want to bet that PW called for those plays to get JJ going.
He was hoping for a productive JJ to justify his benching of Cousins. Only problem, it is again piss poor play calling and execution.
by adamsite on Jan 5, 2012 8:41 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
It should have been JT starting anyways
He’s been the better player this season. I don’t understand JJ starting
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Jt has been better on O but is RB is off a bit
JJ has been a much better RBer but his O is off.
I don’t know whose D has been better.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Having two guys who can't finish at the rim is problematic...DMC and JT :)
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
But if the coach is determined to have our bigs shoot jumpers
I’d rather have JT on the floor
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
From Personal Experience...
When a coach starts using the “Thinking too much about it” excuse, they’re not a very good coach. It’s a lame-ass excuse for “I don’t know what I’m doing wrong”.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 5, 2012 8:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I see what they're "TRYING" to do on offense but..
it’s not taught well. The cuts aren’t sharp, the high-post is set too high (where the open jumper isn’t much of a threat), screens aren’t firmly set, players aren’t reading how the defense is reacting to the screens, and etc. It’s a lot of little details that aren’t being corrected and I think that squarely falls on the coach. It’s pretty fundamental but the small details make the difference.
Basically…it’s not just Xs and Os…it’s the details that go into that which makes it work efficiently. Westphal doesn’t strike me as a guy who divulges into those details…it’s like he expects it to be known or something.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Some things WP can/should expect from the players, IE: effort, unselfishness, etc., but it looks like he’s disappointed that they’re not “figuring it out” on their own. I think that’s why it looks like every man for himself out there. They’re only doing what each of them know best, and for a bunch of DRIBBLE-DRIVE-SCORE"ERS, this is what we’re left with on offense.
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This might be asking too much
But shouldn’t an NBA player already know how to set a screen or curl off one?
Nothing is always anything.
by Docile Ocelot on Jan 5, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah they should...
but those are things that need to be taught, preached, and constantly reminded when they’re not being done. The coach has to demand execution of the details.
We have a young team so they’re more prone to have mental lapses and fundamental mistakes. Just think of how young Evans, Thornton, Cousins, and Jimmer are. That’s why it’s on the coach to teach and preach the details. I don’t think PW does a good job of that.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions
I keep asking this question
Did we just happen to draft and acquire the dumbest players in the NBA? What are the odds of that?
What’s more likely – that being the case or having a piss-poor coach who can’t teach his own offense?
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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can it be both?
I think guys like Evans and Cousins got away with their raw talent and size at the HS and collegiate level. In the pros, they need to be taught specifics and how to use their talent.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, it can be both
But it’s not endemic to Evans and Cousins alone. It’s infected the entire roster – veterans, youngsters.
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Then that falls on the coach. There are different factors that go into setting a screen, making the right read, or etc.
and if the players don’t know how the coach wants it, they’re just going to go out there and do what they think they should do. This tends to lead to DISFUNCTION…which we’ve seen for the last 3 years unfortunately. The team is not on the same page on bit.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
did you just compare our two 'upcoming stars'
to Darius Miles?
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
Webber did that too
He never did learn to box out, which is what Nelson got mad at him for all the time.
Not saying thats a good thing.
I think Cousins RB basics are strong, footwork is good. I really think his only issues are pouting and shot selection.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Odds are steep
and by the way, no players who get drafted into the NBA do not inherently know how to set an effective screen or curl off of one. Believe it or not, but these guys actually are playing against NBA athletes, not traffic cones.
Yup...that's why teams with less raw ability are playoff teams with good coaching.
I think Utah of a few years ago is a good example. I’d argue we have better talent than they did when they had Williams, Okur, and AK 47 as their core. But their whole team was fundamentally sound and they knew what to do and how to do it.
Probably a reason why Aykis loves Sloan.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
I'm curious how Bobby's going to turn out as a coach long term
I know it’s a pipe dream, but having Sloan here for a few years to mentor Smart and Bobby would be an awfully nice situation.
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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Shoot, he can bring Phil Johnson with him
I’m sure he knows the way to the arena.
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No to Bobby as head coach
I don’t think he would be good enough to make this team win and I really don’t want to see a ton of threads saying “Fire Bobby” since he is one of the key glory day Kings.
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good point
I’d reckon Bobby is as beloved a player as pretty much any that have come through Sacramento. His is the only jersey my wife owns and he’s still her favorite player.
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Not only that
But this is the first year Bobby has been a coach in any capacir
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by Aykis16 on Jan 5, 2012 10:47 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I might not be starting the "Jerry Sloan as next coach of the Kings" bandwagon
But that’s only because someone else might have started it before me.
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I am pretty skeptical about that happening unless he's offered a ridiculous salary.
He left Utah because Deron Williams was a head case…I think the thought of DMC will haunt him for years.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Wasn't there some additional extenuating circumstances with ownership or something?
I’m really fuzzy on it, but I thought there was more than just Deron Williams – was ownership choosing to back Deron over Sloan?
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
Basically the original owner died
and the son is taking the franchise down the tubes. Sloan didn’t want to be part of that
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
Well then
I doubt Sloan would consider coming here under our wacky circumstances either.
When I pause to think about that – Owners obviously trying to cut corners at every opportunity, Limited effort/ability by front office, potential of hostile move of the team, etc – Hard to imagine why any good basketball people would want to come here over another place if the money is remotely similar.
Ugh.
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
That's an interesting comment
it reminds me of a teacher I had in college. He wouldn’t explain anything, and I finally came to the conclusion that he was scared to because 1) he couldn’t (incompetence) or 2) if he shared his knowledge he wouldn’t be superior to his students (insecurity).
He's out of answers at this point
If the team is going to keep PW, he needs to start liberally using the bench for guys that aren’t giving effort. “You don’t get back on defense? Go sit for a while. You take a bad shot early in the 24 second clock? Enjoy the pine.”
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I think he is, but they're 2 rookies. I can't stand watching Hickson...
"I'm so often right that I don't make mistakes, just happy accidents" Me, with help from Bob Ross
Nuggets fan perspective
Your players hate Westphal and don’t give a bleep. Our broadcasters marveled at the lack of passing and selfishness.
You’re obviously talented because you schooled the Lakers. Seems to me that Westphal alienated himself from the team with his Cousins suspension many times more than Cousins did to himself, and the team is mutiny’ing.
Fire Westphal today before the season’s lost.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
by margabelle on Jan 5, 2012 9:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I listened to the Denver broadcasters as well
and at first I was mad that they kept calling the team 1-on-1 style basketball…then 5 minutes later I realized that is exactly what we were doing.
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jan 5, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not just the tv guys, our radio announcer was asking in the second quarter
whether the team even has an offensive strategy.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
WRONG! We have an offensive strategy
We just execute the strategy too hard.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions
Well they aren't well coached.
The only thing I blame Cousins for is how he handled the situation. He’s a vocal guy obviously and can be the most dominant force on our team when his head it right. That said, this may sound crazy to some…he has the potential to be the leader we’ve been needing. He needs to mature first and foremost though.
DMC doesn’t just act out for no reason. I think he legitimately cares about winning and playing good basketball. If anything, I think he was the only one to call out PW on the lack of coaching and good system. I just wish he handles it more profesionally…even Calipari said, when he doesn’t understand something is when he gets frustrated. Taking that even further, when he doesn’t understand something and finds out that there’s nothing being done to fix it is where I see him blowing up.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
seeanew
Very well said. DMC is not the problem! Westphal is. As Margabelle said, fire Westphal before the season’s gone. Keep in mind, if the team plays poorly, there will be no stadium and no Kings in Sacramento next year. Westphal guarantees that we will be losers. He has to go.
glenn bell
I don't think it's an either/or
Both parties are a huge part of the problem right now.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I don't know about no arena or no Kings.
It’s not like the public is voting…it’s the city council. They’ve gone out of their way to lay out the local economic benefits for the arena as well.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Not to mention that will all be decided
before the seasons gone completely to hopless.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
its going to be a long season
a season full of looking for everything PW does wrong… just fire the guy already. None of our players have gotten better and we keep getting blown out
by jadams12 on Jan 5, 2012 9:03 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What would we need to do to get the lockout re-instated?
Stern: “Billy’s momma is so fat…”
Hunter: “WTF?!?”
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 9:06 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
yup
lockout time’s looking pretty good in retrospect
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The hopes... The hopes.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
I would still rather talk about basketball than the BRI every day....
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
PW is weak!
He’s running out of excuses! Every presser is starting to sound the same now. I think he is a good guy.. But not a good coach. This is his fourth year right? Different players almost completely, yet the team play on the court looks the same.. No movement, no D.. Lets move on already!
by Sincere P. on Jan 5, 2012 9:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions
he could get fired today!
Wishful thinking, but seems like they’d fire him when they’re home, as apposed to being in the middle of road trip… so every time they come back to Sac there’s hope!
Fire PW before the game
Keith Smart will start Cousins and give him a chest bump. Cousins will then go on to a 30pt 15 reb performance on their way to a win tonight
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 9:22 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
But if paul westphal is still the coach
It will be Beno who will then go on to a 30pt 15 reb performance
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
by Widowwolf on Jan 5, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Westphal
I think that it’s time for a direction change. I was in favor of the Westphal hire but after 2 yrs of unwatchable ball it’s time. It’s time for a direction, any direction.
Another season and the same sinking feeling...
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
by kromeace on Jan 5, 2012 10:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Westphal = Isaiah Thomas (when he was coaching NY)
Westphal has no control over his team. It reminds me of Zach Randolph PG.
by CloudyEyes on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Line up change
Westphal needs to start Cousins over Hayes, we are getting beat every time in the paint. Reason why the team is putting up ridiculous numbers in the paint. We have no length and size. The departure of Daly is really hurting our inside presence, rebounding, interior D and size.
Tyreke from the Bee
Apologies, I’m mobile posting (http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/05/4164079/another-kick-in-teeth.html)
“Before the game, I was feeling a little drowsy, and at halftime I just started throwing up,” Evans said."
Man, do I know THAT feeling.
by defender96 on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions
So were the rest of us.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 5, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
haha +1
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 5, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
funny stat from last nights game
From Twitter@RubiesNoffNBA:
“Nuggets 110 — Kings 83. All 12 players on Denver score at least 6 points. 4 players on the Kings score more than 6 points.”
Followed By:
“when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons.”
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm going to put that in my signature line
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions
haha I guess, with the the pressure situation that TWITTER presents
He misspelled " fall away," or perhaps there is a hidden message in the misspelled word. Maybe, it is a stand against the demotion of Honeycutt! haha who knows!
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 5, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
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and here I was
thinking that google had told the adsense that I had searched for “Caligula”
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think the problem is we're all trying to hard expecting the Kings to do what they're suppose to do.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Instead of...
….thinking about playing aggressively, how ’bout the Kings just go out and play aggressively? What is there to think about it. Just do it.
I am going to think about making this 12 foot jumper. Now I am going to launch a 15 foot missile off the side of the backboard.
Later he is asked, How do you get these guys confidence in the right direction after so many bad losses against team missing key players?
We have to…will ourselves..to remember…that, uh, we have…I am struggling for the right words, Jason…We have guys who are good shooters. They have to will themselves to play through it (?). And they have to remember the confidence that made them a great shooter….
How eloquent. Red Aeurbach would be proud.
Remembering confidence? When was that? Before you crushed it, along with the teams collective spirit? How about be confident, instead of playing walk down memory lane? And who are these good shooter he is talking about? The Kings have two really good shooters, Marcus and Jimmer. Marcus is making shots.
Other guys have never been good shooters, especially of late.
John Salmons, who by the way is not a SF, he is a SG, but thats a whole other issue I will save for another rant, is shooting 34%. Last year he shot 41%
Outlaw is shooting 24%. Last year he shot 37%.
Cisco and Donte can shoot, sometimes, but are not playing enough minutes to count.
JJ Hickson is at 37%. Last year 45%. (Personally I think he can make 50% of his shots but he is certainly unproven as an efficient scorer.)
Jimmer is shooting 37%.
So these “good” shooters he is counting on are two guys coming off 41% and 37% last year, an unproven guy and a rookie.
The problems of this team are way deeper than knocking down open looks. This team doesn’t defend. It doesn’t pass. It doesn’t clear defensive glass. It doesn’t run a fast break. Its disingenuous of this coach to say making a few more shots is going to make all the difference when the issues run way deeper than that.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Jan 5, 2012 10:22 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Samurai Mike Singletary would definitely be proud :)
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Last Year
I wasn’t on this site last year. Was there just as many people calling for Westphal’s job last year? I just don’t understand why the Maloofs don’t pull the trigger. It seems like an inside job. Resembles “Major League” alot if you ask me. This stadium will be in the dust if we keep losing.
by HighSockWizard on Jan 5, 2012 10:36 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No. There has been overwhelming shift from keep him to dump him.
Last year at this time, I was calling for Westphal to get fired. Not too many people agreed. But what was going on a year ago is a continuation of what we are seeing now, it is just becoming more obvious.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
continuation of what we are seeing now
I think a lot of people were not entirely happy with him last year but not really all amped up to fire him yet until … well yeah.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
Details...Details...Details...
These are the things PW has poorly taught. Just one example where DMC gets the ball at the high post (and he should get it there more often):
First, DMC doesn’t do a good job of positioning himself there. He post up the defender if they’re denying as if he’s down in the low-post and make himself big by putting his arms up for the pass. Needs a wide base to seal off any defender or angle his wide base to box out oncoming defenders.
Second, DMC tends to catch the ball near the college three point line. If he sets up closer, like 2-3 feet maybe, he’s much more dangerous. The thing about DMC is that he can hit a 15-foot jumper, dribble-drive, or pass. He’s very good at that. But when he’s near the college 3-point line, he is limiting himself to just passing. If I’m a defender, I’d love to see DMC try to drive all the way to the hoop from there or try and shoot it there. If he’s closer to the freethrow line, that would cause all kind of problems because that’s where he’ll be more effective. Put it this way, a 20 foot jumper or drive versus a 15-footer, what would you rather have and which is more dangerous? If he’s 20 feet out, the defender can sag off and play passing lanes. If he’s 15 feet out, the defender HAS to play in his grill. Back door lanes will be open. Open 3s too as the wing defenders are looking to see what he does. But DMC has to fight for that high-post just as he would low-post. He gets shoved out too easily. He’s such a big person that he can win that battle 9 times out of 10.
The problem is that DMC doesn’t seem to understand the difference of 2-3 feet. 2-3 feet closer, he’s the most dangerous person on the floor. 2-3 feet further out, he’s just a passer and the defense sags into the key for when Tyreke tries to drive it in. This is definitely a fixable thing WITH GOOD COACHING. My best GUESS is that Westphal’s teaching is vague. Probably instructs DMC to go high-post without direction as to where. I base this off of the fact that DMC is content with catching the ball at the college 3-point line and doesn’t fight for that high-post spot…it’s like he doesn’t have that understanding. It’s up to the coach to instill that and up to DMC to execute it. Thus far, there doens’t seem to be much instilling because Westphal has zero reaction to when he catches it up there and it hasn’t been corrected. Nor does it look like it’s been attempted to be corrected based on DMCs content.
Sorry for the essay…it’s a page full. But it’s actually a 5-10 minute lesson. It’s those 5-10 minutes that I don’t think DMC is getting.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:48 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
My bad...one more thing about catching the ball too far out up top...he's crowding the guards. Sets up one defender guarding two guys.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Jan 5, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Not just DMC
Hayes and Hickson catch it up there too. Both cant make a jumper from there either.
Cant run a high post offense if none of your bigs can make a jumper from there. Except JT, but I wouldnt advocate playing him more than 20-25 minutes a night.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Can we trade franchises?
Kings for like.. OKC.. Miami… Even the Clippers! It kinda sad being a Kings fan..
by Sincere P. on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions
even the T-wolves are looking good in comparison right now.
I’ve been Kaaaahn’d
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
Have to say.. Rubio's passing looks real good.
That’s it! Trade Evans!
by Sincere P. on Jan 5, 2012 11:14 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
at least we're not washington with that stellar 0 and 6 start
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
It’s the new uni’s… Just so ugly!
by Sincere P. on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Trying to take matters into our own hands
I don’t have any patience for waiting on this team doing something that needs to be done now. Not after putting down heavily on season tickets for the first time. Feeling helpless I voiced my opinion to the team via the following easy methods
The other day I received one of those email surveys from the team about the game experience, how i’d rate it, and how/if i’d recommend to friends. I made sure to leave my thoughts on the team’s need for new coaching.
Also, another easy way to communicate with the team is to tweet straight to the owners Joe and Gavin – @joemaloof @gavmaloof. I’ve put in my requests for Jeff Van Gunny and used the #FireWestphal hash.
@dampania | Section 103 Row V
All for not if they dont begin playing.
Glad they made a change if nothing more than to take an excuse away from the players.
We need to watch the Pistons (YES the Pistons)
and utilize DMC how they utilize Greg Monroe.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM PST reply actions
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