Paul Westphal Fired By Kings
by Tom Ziller on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM PST
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PrintThe Sacramento Kings have announced that Paul Westphal has been fired as head coach. Keith Smart takes over for the Thursday game against the Milwaukee Bucks.
Here's what Geoff Petrie had to say in the Kings' press release:
"I want to thank Paul for all of his effort on behalf of the Kings," said Petrie. "Unfortunately, the overall performance level of the team has not approached what we felt was reasonable to expect. I wish him the best in his future endeavors."
It's worth noting that the release doesn't deem Smart the new interim head coach -- it states that "Keith Smart will serve as head coach in tonight's game versus the Milwaukee Bucks." My money is on Smart becoming the interim head coach for the remainder of the season, but that could leave open the possibility of the team seeking to bring a new head coach in or allowing one of the other assistants the opportunity to take the job.
The Kings went 51-120 under Westphal. He very infamously sent DeMarcus Cousins home on Sunday and brought him off the bench in the last two games, both blowout losses. Cousins had 26 points on Wednesday.
UPDATE 1: From Sam Amick ...
Per this tired routine, Kings GM Geoff Petrie spent recent days distancing himself from the coach in discussions with Maloofs and others.
UPDATE 2: From David Aldridge ...
Kings co-owner Joe Maloof says while the Cousins/W'phal dynamic was part of the issue, "none of the guys were playing to their potential."
UPDATE 3: From Scott Howard-Cooper:
Keith Smart will coach the Kings the rest of the season, via @daldridgetnt.
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Fire Smart!
(First)
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions 34 recs
No Smart ass comments allowed
at least until the first loss
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
lol
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
The head coach change isn't enough
It’s time to fire Geoff Petrie as well. This roster is mostly of Petrie’s creation. I also would advocate for no more interim coaches… unless the Kings believe Smart is a good long term head coach.
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I prefer lots of interim coaches
5 a year at least
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Coach Shareef?!
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There's a possibility
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Make no mistake
Petrie’s job is on the line as well this year.
The Maloofs ownership should be on the line more than anything else
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by Ninja King on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think Petires problems stem from the cheap ass Maloofs
Petrie would be the man again if Burkle was the owner
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Maloofs give Petrie the resuources to put the roster together
Petrie has done an awful job.
1. The John Salmons trade was an absolute travesty.
2. The Kings have HAD FIVE COACHES. The Kings were not in as bad of a trouble financially when the Kings hired Eric Musselman or tried to hire Stan Van Gundy.
3. The Kings’ trades have yielded very little in return. Kings I believe easily could have picked up a few more assets in the Bibby, Miller and Salmons trades.
4. The Kevin Martin trade had nothing to do with money and more to do with leverage… Kings could have gotten Jordan Hill and future 1sts from NY.
5. The Kings picked up Travis Outlaw for $12M. Really? Did you really need to bid that much for such a marginal player?
The Kings have made many moves where the financial considerations were not high but just made very stupid basketball decisions.
The Kings have become the new Clippers of the NBA. Sorry to break it to you like this but Burkle or no Burkle, Petrie should be fired immediately and replaced.
This firing totally misses the point, it covers up for a bigger problem… THE KINGS MANAGEMENT IS A TOTAL JOKE. PERIOD. STARTING FROM THE MALOOFS ON DOWN,
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Sorry, you lost me when you said
The Maloofs give Petrie the resuources to put the roster together
This is patently false. The team is run on a low budget, with a minimum payroll and a bare bones front office.
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You mean that you can't sign a player to an IOU?
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with all points except
“Maloofs give Petrie resources to put roster together.” Maloofs are cheap and many things are their fault, including firing Rick Adelman & drafting Jimmer over Kemba.
I also disagree with you about Outlaw. I think he is a great addition for a role player coming off the bench.
Everything else you said, I’m in agreement with.
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Let me clearer...
Many of the moves Petrie messed up have nothing to do with financial resources. Its about making shrewd moves like what Sam Presti has done, RC Buford has done.
Before you put all of the blame on Westphal… THINK OF THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE ORGANIZATION. THE MALOOFS DO NOT PUT THE TEAM TOGETHER.
These are financially motivated trades but I can’t imagine the Kings can’t do it.
THE ONLY CONSTANT BASKETBALL OPS GUY THROUGHOUT THIS HALF DECADE OF MESS IS GEOFF PETRIE.
LET’S NOT LIVE IN THE PAST PEOPLE.
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You mean the past
That Petrie was also around for and was the architect for? We should ignore that? We should ignore that the team’s struggles coincided with the downturn of the economy and the Maloofs’ net worth?
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by Exhibit G on Jan 5, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As an aside
I feel VERY strongly that the Salmons, Miller trade was more than anything about their money woes and that they also played a part in the Bibby trade. Perhaps Martin as well.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
how can the salmons trade be about money if he is more expensive and has a longer contract than beno?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
You cant call the stupid Salmons trade financially oriented since we took back the more expensive and longer contract...
ugh.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
LOL
Maloofs and resources in one sentence. Way to contradict your self my man.
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by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:13 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree with everything except
The Maloofs give Petrie the resuources to put the roster together
and
5. The Kings picked up Travis Outlaw for $12M. Really? Did you really need to bid that much for such a marginal player?
Outlaw may be bad now, but he is recovering from an injury and still too soon to pass judgement. If he can get back to his Portland ways, I think he is a good backup SF for only $3 mil a year.
Yes, we are the new Clippers. Shitty owners, shitty coach, rookies aren’t playing to the potential we drafted them for, and shitty all around.
He's coming off an injury and one of the worst seasons a player's had in a looong time
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He was GOD AWFUL last year
His PER was half of Garcia and LOWER THAN DONTE GREENE.
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Outlaw can only get back to his Portland days
if you have a pre-injury Brandon Roy in your lineup.
Nolan Smith - PG of the future. Book it.
IT HAS HAPPENED
Goodnight, Sweet Prince
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:31 AM PST reply actions
Back to Southern Cali
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
You're out of your element Paul!
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Helps that the Bucks are missing like 4 key players
Bogut, Mbah a Moute, Dunleavy, and mabye Beno.
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The Bucks have such a random roster.
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Like
If I look at the Wolves, I can sort of see the team they want. Heat it’s obvious. Knicks it’s obvious. Spurs it’s obvious. Even the Jazz you can see the outlines of the future roster.
But I look at that Bucks team and I think t myself “What the fuck is going on here?”
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That's mostly how I am when we play.
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by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:15 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
So are the Kings
Dalembert, Hawes, Omri, and maybe Beno
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I told everyone they would miss Beno's steady guard play more than they thought
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by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to fathom that we could have Beno on the roster currently instead of Salmons
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I in no way see that happening
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Turn the sprinkler systems on!! Paul Westphal is on fire!!!
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by Sirstan51 on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm happy they were decisive on this and didn't let it linger
Eager to see the next move
@dampania | Section 103 Row V
Really no place to go but up.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Fire Evans!
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
No Evans ass comments allowed
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm thinkin' Arby's.
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by swoosh91 on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Flag'd
/gags
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
We need people who can make jump shots
Hire Westphal!
by lead_pipe on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Dance!!!
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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I've seen this gif many times
But I haven’t the faintest idea what movie it comes from. Care to enlighten me??
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YYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!
My God this makes me happy!!!!!!!
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by A Night At The Arco on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM PST reply actions
Now amongst the jubilation
We must ask: Can Smart make this team ANY LESS OF A MESS?
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions
2012
Best news so far! But I see your point!
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
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by A Night At The Arco on Jan 5, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
Haha, forgot it was 2012!
Please consider my amendment amended.
by lead_pipe on Jan 5, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A blind beaver could do a better job.
We might actually see an offense that looks like, ya know, an offense pretty soon!!
Good luck Paul
You seem like a nice enough guy, but that does not mean you are a good coach. Best of luck
The endless pounding.
A hole, blacker than despair.
John Salmons is back.
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by Dirkula on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
LOVE that movie
Hail to the chief Baby!!
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
- Yogi Berra
Now if only we could get some Sugar
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by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
by AkaP on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions 26 recs
Anyone want to photoshop westphals face into this?
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That'd be like altering the Mona Lisa
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by Shizzo on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 16 recs
Right when I read this.
I jumped out of my seat and ran through my house high fiving my family. :D fired westphal like a bosss!!
Macamento
Smart move.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Woj on Twitter
Kings will keep changing coaches until someone reaches DeMarcus Cousins, or they give up on him. Westphal won’t be last to go down there.
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by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
The national media will be all how this was about Cousins
But IMO we all know that was just a small part of it
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by dampania on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the national media would think it's more than that
if Petrie was sent out the door
Just sayin
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
I don't mind Petrie being part of the org for drafting purposes
but hiring someone like Pritchard as GM and ‘promoting’ Geoff to something like VP of basketball ops would never happen under the Maloofs.
Fire the Maloofs!
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For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
More like the Kings will keep changing coaches until the team gets better and starts winning games.
by Rambaldi on Jan 5, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Fully agree
It was Cousins that made us only win 25 games in the 09-10 season
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Woj is
A big dumb bitch.
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
No he's not
he’s arguably the best NBA reporter around. Just because you disagree with him doesn’t mean he’s dumb.
by Kyle_B on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Woj is a hack
Does he dig up good info and break his share of stories? Sure. But he picks players to hate and then does total hatchet job columns on them. He will spin any development into a huge negative for the players or coaches he doesn’t like.
Columnists should be opinionated, but he is way too biased.
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I think he's right on
He makes a lot of his stuff seem awfully personal. But he’s clearly hooked in, so he breaks a lot of news. Otherwise, he comes off as a peabrained, dickless shithead (just my opinion of course).
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Good, I would hope you didn't verify for yourself that he's dickless.
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I can confirm - that man has no dick
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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So... uh... how does one... ummm... go about... signing up for these uh... these ummm... verification tests?
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Hmm
I’ve never got that vibe from him. He is on my short list of must read journalists too. Actually, most Yahoo sports writers are above average. In my opinion, Yahoo is the only sports journalism site that does true journalism. Fox, ESPN, CBS and all of the other sites have to much vested interest in all of the major sports to truly put sports figures on blast.
Agree with you completely
but it wasn’t apparent to me until he put out those daily LeBron rants last year
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Honestly, besides Amick, what reporter at the national level does a good job covering the Kings?
Why would anyone want to cover this team? The only reason Amick does a good job is because he has a lot of sources from his time at the Bee. The simple fact is that unless the Kings become good again, we’re going to continue to see lazy reporting from every national writer. Covering us just isn’t worth their time.
This
Great connections with players and agents
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Now, fire Petrie and the rest of the FO
by folsomfella on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Won't make a difference if you don't fire the owners first
Cheap-cheap.
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not just cheap cheap
also question their criteria for hiring
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Cheep Cheep?
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The best thing about this firing has to be Petrie's statement.
No flowery language that details why Westphal was fired. Just, “Hey look this team hasn’t improved since you’ve taken over.”
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I actually think that Keith Smart can be a good coach
First time I have said that about any one on the Kings in a long time. Let’s see if this fixes anything
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The Kings need to respond tonight with good play
Yes, this needed to happen, but now the players need to respond or this team is headed for single digit wins for the season.
Also of note, I was listening to the NBA Today podcast from yesterday and Tim Legler committed a verbal homicide of DeMarcus Cousins. Absolutely murdered him. If this were hip hop, this would be a dis record on par with “No Vaseline” or “Ether”. Just killed the guy.
by Tom A~! on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Tim Legler has been very critical of DMC for a very long time
stems from a summer camp when DMC was a teenager.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
wow huge brainfart
sorry I was thinking Bilas. My bad.
Disregard, Disregard
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Bilas has been more of the...
“Cousins is his own worse enemy, he can be as good as he wants to be” camp
by Tom A~! on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting...
I did not know that. Grudge a bit?
Tim Legler is one of those commentators that only pays attention to big market franchises..
…and reads headlines regarding small market franchises. So I would take what he says with a grain of salt
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
these guys talk behind the scenes quite a bit
I haven’t heard it but sometimes you’ll be surprised
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
I only hear what he says on TV...and I zone out most of the time wondering whats going on with his rogue right eyebrow.
I mostly hear him talking about the Lakers and Celtics and Heat. Maybe he caters to what ESPN wants him to say…who knows.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
I think that's probably the case
You can never go wrong in ESPN’s eyes if you talk about the Lakers, Celtics, Heat, Cowboys, Yankees or Red Sox
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Well in the podcast he's talking about Kings and Grizzlies players
so I think he probably pays attention to more. Plus, he was a player in the league for quite some time.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I should start listening to more podcasts then, instead of Sportscenter, hehe
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Sorry that a good guy lost his job.
But happy that a terrible coach lost his job.
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by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Amick
Per this tired routine, Kings GM Geoff Petrie spent recent days distancing himself from the coach in discussions with Maloofs and others.
formerly what_the_crap
Cannot go the dancing gif route
because this team is far from out of the crapper right now.
That being said, it was time.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You know how, as the trade deadline nears, every successful fanbase assumes the Kings will take a shit-platter in return for their best players just because we suck?
I imagine JVG has a similar thought every time a moribund, disastrously managed franchise needs a coach. Why would he want to come here, given where he is in his life and career?
Will he coach for pennies on the dollar?
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
He'll coach for Palms Bucks
They’re like real dollars, only with 2% of the actual value.
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by Mike Garza on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I think Bill Lambier might fit the bill more realistically
due to salary expectations and NBA coaching opportunity desperation
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Looks like Bill Lambier
Fits the BILL 
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by LLcoolRay on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
I actually think Lambier could be a good coach
but how does Smart deal with that?
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by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Bill Lambier is one of the worst people I've ever met
Just a world class asshole. No thanks.
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He was the guy I hoped they would hire the summer we hired Westphal
But at the time I understood the reasoning for hiring a cheap coach even though I didn’t agree with it. We have the talent to compete. Now it’s time to bring in a coach that has won in this league. The Maloofs tried to spend on players. Now we’ll see if they’ll spend on a coach.
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72 – 68 basketball IS NOT FUN TO WATCH. Jeff Van Gundy is not a good defensive coach. He just slows the pace down to slow motion, the other team doesn’t scorBOORRRRRRRING!!!!!!!!
Yep, there's something to be said for that opinion
If you grind the pace down and limit the possessions as much as possible, you’re usually at least going to have a close game. But man, it’s hard basketball to watch.
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by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Not my favorite style of play at all
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by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
IGNORE THIS MY FOLLOWERS, FOR HE IS A BLASPHEMOR
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Second best victory of the season!
Needed move. Smart got the Warriors to outperform their talent in his year there, here’s hoping he does the same here.
Go for it all. You're a great champion.
by Muff209 on Jan 5, 2012 11:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Not sure the no defense was his fault
He kept Nelie’s system and Nelie’s “crap defense” players.
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
This is all Ziller's fault.
Thank you TZ
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
by Slam_Dunk on Jan 5, 2012 11:44 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
oh man ... from Woj
One GM floated Larry Brown to me recently to deal with Cousins. “He will love him. He will rip him. He will confuse kid into playing well.”
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by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Apparently, that GM forgot about what Brown did to Darko
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Darko compared to DMC
come on man
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by Shizzo on Jan 5, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
"good luck"
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I remember an interview where Darko's name came up...
It was a pretty bad comparison then too.
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by Schneezel on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Come on.
Obviously not comparing talents. But Brown is not a good coach for young teams.
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
But he can go toe to toe with the hardest of heads, and win.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Think of Evans as a big Iverson who can guard 3 positions.
I like Larry Brown in that situation.
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For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Wait a second
As a result of Westphal’s firing, Tyreke can actually guard somebody?
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Well, potentially, at least.
My point was that a Larry Brown type defensive identity coach might enjoy a player with that kind of potential.
Tyreke grew up in Eastern PA when Iverson and Brown were Sixers, and I think he modeled his game after Iverson a bit too much. But Brown might like it.
Remember Larry Brown also turned Rasheed into a non-distraction on the Pistons, so I’m sure he could handle Cousins as well.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
At least we'd have sets in our offense...
But we’d definitely be slowing down.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
We aren't really pushing the ball anyway
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
If you're going to pay the dough to get Brown
I’d just as soon see if Sloan wants to coach a few more seasons.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sloan is - wait for it,
LEGENDARY. YEA.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I'd take either
I’m done with inexperienced but promising AND experienced but crappy… I want experienced and good for the next head coach
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
daaaamn
I wonder if the past few games were the result of bad coaching or a pseudo player mutiny
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 5, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions
To Paul
I won’t miss the inconsistency, blow ups with players, under development of our youngins, your arrogance, etc.
I will miss the polls we have at work where we attempt to guess your starting line up. That’s six bucks a week I’m out.
In the words of my man Chris Webber “Good Luck”
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM PST reply actions
So any predictions on a new lineup or rotation to put his stamp on it?
PG Jimmer
SG ’Reke
SF Garcia
PF Hickson
C Cousins.
He goes with Jimmer to buy some fan love early.
Now if only they could also go back to the black jerseys!
So you're saying Sammy holds the position all season?
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
With Jimmer at the one...
…we might actually be fast enough to keep Marcus at the two and move Tyreke to the three. Not saying that would be a successful lineup, just that with Jimmer pushing the pace up the court it might not burn us as badly as with ’Reke initiating the offense.
A lonely Kings fan in a sea of gold and purple...
God luck, Paul.
You were nothing if not a nice guy. Go take care of that wife of yours down in SoCal.
Dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble...
by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions
David Aldridge
Kings co-owner Joe Maloof says while the Cousins/W’phal dynamic was part of the issue, “none of the guys were playing to their potential.”
formerly what_the_crap
by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
That was hard to type, wasnt it?
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
He has not commented back.
I think he broke his keyboard.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
or had an aneurism...
I think someone needs to go check on him just in case.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
If a Maloof said it
Then that means that all the guys were playing to thierry potential. Now I’m conflicted.
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
If the firing of Westphal was caused by Cousins....
That’s just one more thing Cousins does well!!! Got rid of that shitty coach!!!
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions 12 recs
I just can't get behind this
a player should never be the cause of a coach being fired.. it would be a punk move by both the player and the organization
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why do I feel that Grant's tone of Westphal drastically changes today...?
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:51 AM PST reply actions
He is the mouthpiece of the Maloofs.
The sphincter, if you will.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..."
by Ichiban on Jan 5, 2012 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
I wonder what the first words out his mouth will be on this issue.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Yesterday he beat around the bush
He remained neutral but didn’t exactly say his opinion on Westphal. He definitely wasn’t defending him like he normally would do
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
I meant drastically
as in he now will bash him.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I'm sure he'll pull
the trying to be diplomatic lines and then a half hour into his show start some incredibly not subtle hints and about 2 hours in just full on critical.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Warriors fan here
Not saying Westphal is good… but you might regret replacing him with Smart
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Lots of things
Inability to set rotations, sticking with bad players, letting Monta Ellis control the offense while not playing Curry enough, lots of other things.
I didn’t hear the players complain about him though, so he might be better than Westphal in that regard.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
he ain't no savior
or at least hasn’t shown it yet
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
So temper our expectations
I’ve gotten good at that
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Sounds a lot like PW
minus the players bitching
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly what I was thinking
I threw up in my mouth a little when I read “inability to set rotations.”
Read: Toblerone Jones
goofy ass rotations
playing crappy vets a lot
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
Goofy Rotations....?
It’s ok, we’re use to that… How else will we regret it?
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
He decided to play Acie Law insted of Steph Curry
O.o
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
While I don't know if I agree with your post
I do agree that Champloo is better than Macross.
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Jan 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Samurai Champloo
one of the best anime series ever.
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
BLASPHEMY!!!!
Macross spend wayyyyy more time in my blu ray player than Champloo.
I'm assuming he will be interim until someone else replaces him,
but I could be wrong.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
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Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Nevermind. It was okay
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
This is not necessarily a happy day people.
But hopefully we can smart to get things back on track.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..."
It's great news, but we still suck.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..."
by Ichiban on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So
who do we want to coach now?
Smart?
Lawrence Frank?
Byron Scott?
CowboyRon?
formerly what_the_crap
Frank and Scott have jobs, methinks
CowboyRon sounds good
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
Rise the hot hand!
Cowboyron for coach!
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
What will CowboyRon do now
That he “Fire Westfall” has happened?
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"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Too bad I can't rec this.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Jan 5, 2012 1:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe Cowboyron can get
Reke to drive the lane angry
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
To be fair
It’s unlikely you would have had any reason to watch either of those teams recently.
In most polarizing arguments, the truth is found somewhere in the middle.
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I wonder if Smart's been chomping at the bit to change a few things
Certainly hope so.
Farewell, Coach W. Thanks for trying.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
That will haunt my dreams forever.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
by Schneezel on Jan 5, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't someone do an ice cream version of this?
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
no they didn't
the version above is the one where they removed the ice cream cone
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
(sigh)
I hope this helps but have my doubts.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
Gotta look at it in the long term.
This year will be pretty shitty, but there is maybe, maybe hope. All we have is “maybe”.
Allen Iverson might be a good candidate as HC...
to teach the players to be less selfish. Also high character guy.
[snark]
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
How about Salmons next?
Amnesty or release him. We tried to make him the vet SF, defender, role player we needed and it has failed miserably. Cut ties, realize the mistake and move on.
He cant guard 3’s at all, big 3s have ate him alive, Artest, Wallace, Carmelo, Rudy Gay. He can not consistently make jump shots and his attitude is just awful and contagious. Nothing that should be around young players.
Hey John Salmons- It is not a sentence to play NBA basketball, its a priveledge, and a billion people would take your place and not mope around.
by OKO on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
why not cut him?
is there anything positive he brings to this team or his influence on his teammates?
Don't cut him
He has been my excuse for growing chin pubes and giving people the ‘Dead Salmon Stare’ – that is one of the few positives I have been able to take out of the season so far.
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Sacramento King for life.
by Crazy King Man from OZ on Jan 5, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
They could cut him now
and amnesty his contract in the off-season
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Has that been confirmed?
I’ve seen you state that a few times…
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I don't think that they can "cut" him,
but they could go the Kenny Thomas route and choose not to dress him. I have a hard time believing that the franchise would do that – it would re-rack the summer trade as “Here, take Beno Udrih and we’ll even move down three slots in the draft if you give us back your worst contract in return.”
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Buyout?
Still be a full cap hit, but they could save potentially save some $.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
- Yogi Berra
I think that a buyout negates the opportunity for offseason amnesty,
which means that you have to keep his contract against the cap until it expires.
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Stop saying this, it's false.
You can’t amnesty cap holds, which is what John would be if we cut him. We can amnesty him after this season and before next season though.
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"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Snake juice
Has a dope aftertaste
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Ron F'n Swanson
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 5, 2012 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It was the right move, but it still sucks
Another year, another new coach. Will we ever find a decent coach? The law of averages says we should hit on one of these coaches, but come on….
I mean I was one of those that was weary of Adelman back when he got fired, but we haven’t had a single coach as good as him since. Sometimes the grass isn’t greener.
I just wish we had gone for Thibodeau one of the times we interviewed him. Great defensive mind and I think he would have been perfect for this team. He has done great things for the Bulls, though obviously having Rose certainly helps. Oh well….
Meet the new boss -
Same as the old boss.
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 12:01 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Iknowright
BMiller looks so young there.
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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
BYAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"I think I left the iron on..."
Al Davis 1929-2011 Just rest in peace, baby
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by darooster on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
"DeMarcus punched me in the ribs! He's over there!"
Al Davis 1929-2011 Just rest in peace, baby
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"If I don't see we're getting blown out again, then it isn't happening!"
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We won't get fooled again
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Three Stooges - Curly, Larry, and Moe
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
A little song, a little dance...
A little 2% down your pants.
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by SierraSpartan on Jan 5, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be an excellent choice
but considering Darrrent WIlliams ran him out of town, I bet he is no longer interested in ever coaching an NBA team again.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
DeMarcus just put his first coaching pelt up on the wall
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
Carl on a tear writing out implications.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
"See this hat?
Pure Paul pelt. Bagged it in ought-12."
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Nice
You are banned from Athletics Nation.
You can browse the blog, but you can’t participate.
Kiss my ring and we'll talk.
by JediLeroy on Jan 5, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Like my loafers?
Made of gophers!
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by section214 on Jan 5, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm so glad I was the one to turn this green.
My favorite Simpsons song EVER
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
What do you guys think Smart will do with the offense tonight?
Stick with what they’ve been doing?
by Crocoduck on Jan 5, 2012 12:02 PM PST via mobile reply actions
No he's handing them all textbooks on the plane.
They have an offensive pop quiz in 2 hours.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
I would want Thornton coming off the bench,
if we had a good pass 1st PG
Start Jimmer anyway
Can’t hurt at this point can it?
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
He let Monta chuck the ball whenever he wanted
I think you might see the same thing with Tyreke and Marcus
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 5, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
fk it, why not.
Hey Marcus, Tyreke and Jimmer: if your path to the lane is clear, go for it. If you’re wide open, shoot it. Otherwise pass the ball to someone else.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
It's not about passing, it's about passing at the correct moment
not 2 seconds After you should have.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
So what you're saying is my dipshit offense wouldn't be very effective?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Management should spend 5 mil on a good coach
instead of using it on players for a MLE or whatever. Good coaching is worth its weight in gold. Paging Larry Brown….
PW lost in his own fog until the bitter end...
"I would like to thank the Maloof family for the incredible opportunity they gave me to participate in the attempt to bring the Sacramento Kings back to prominence," Westphal said in a statement. "While the job is far from finished, I am proud of the strides we were able to make."
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
Baby strides?
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
He never said whether the strides were forwards or backwards
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Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Making strides? He meant "being strident".
by fryingpan136 on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I really like that gum...
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
by kromeace on Jan 5, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He never had young players at any of those stops?
Lucky guy, I suppose.
And he must have had really old college players when he won that championship with Kansas.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I thought player development was his thing too
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't he have young players in Charlotte?
But he did do a good job with Rasheed Wallace in Detroit
Am I allowed to gloat about my preseason post about Westphal losing players by going to the media that everyone jumped on me for?
No?
by nbrans on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
No
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You're better than that.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..."
by Ichiban on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for self awareness
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We love you nbrans, but not that much ;)
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
You should take it personally
by the way, still don’t have a problem with it. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
How long until we all hate Smart?
We may get lucky and he is for sure an upgrade, but I’m not convinced he is the answer.
Could be as soon as the 3rd quarter of tonight's game
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Honestly,
for 1/2 of us, it’ll be when he announces the starting lineup.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions
if he wants to win us over right away ...
get him back from Reno and start Hassan Whiteside.
formerly what_the_crap
by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's holding it down in Reno
Whiteside at Center, Cousins at PF. Two tower defense.
If a player was suspended by a coach, wouldn't the suspension go with the coach?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Additional release by Petrie
" Paul and I had a discussion in my office I asked him to explain the 51-120 record, and he said ‘None of it was MY fault’, so I told him to go home until June"
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by HighTops on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Today is a beautiful day.
As far as Smart goes, I think he keeps the seat warm until we hire a new coach in the next few weeks.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
I knew it!
from some dude named Tom
If Petrie keeps his job and Smart isn’t hired as the full-time head coach, big money on Brian Shaw getting the gig this summer.
formerly what_the_crap
by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Shaw
Totally forgot about him. Would the triangle work with the Kings? Would Shaw try to implement it wherever he goes?
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
by ItsALeagueGame on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
No to the tirangle
Only 1 coach was successful with that system in the modern era
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
And
The triangle was only successful with two of the top players to every play the game. And those players tended to break the offense in key moments.
In most polarizing arguments, the truth is found somewhere in the middle.
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I was readying Klosterman's piece today on the Triangle
I wondered to myself if the Kings should run that offense?
Likewise.
I think they could hire Shaw and the guy from the Philippines as an assistant. Our players might fit well into a triangle system, if they could remember the little details.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
lol, no, though that would help with fitness maybe...
But this is what I was thinking about.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Problem with Larry Brown is
Well, one problem anyway – is that Geoff Petrie seemed to have no interest in him when he had interest in the Kings vacancy.
But seeing as how we have a GM mailing it in these days, maybe Brown’s meddlesome reputation won’t be such an issue here. Someone needs to steer this ship, amirite?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Goal for next game
At least 20 assists, better effort, more hustle…
by desesse on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I bet
they come out with a lot more hustle this game.
formerly what_the_crap
by Dub_TC on Jan 5, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
the worst is always possible
Long contested jumpers by Outlaw / Cousins / Evans / Hickson / Salmons
One on three by Salmons / Evans / Thornton
More of a plan than they seem to have had.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
It's a Smart move.
And we could always bring in Harry Hoo if it doesn’t work out.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
It's called the 60's.
Not much more explanation is possible.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 7, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Marc Stein
Kings’ FO on sort of empty run that, for all warranted criticism of Cousins so far, they’re in no position to question DMC’s professionalism
formerly what_the_crap
I don't even understand what that means.
"If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well
It were done quickly..."
I read it three times and still don't get it
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I dunno, seems pretty straightforward
He’s saying the front office is as unprofessional as DMC.
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"empty run" thing kind of throws it...
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Don't run on a full stomach.
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It’s stunning how the view from the outside of this franchise has changed the last five years.
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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Smart got 36 wins outta the Warriors last year, only to be replaced by....
the guy I wanted the Kings to replace Westphal with, Mark Jackson. I thought his personality and knowledge would have been perfect for this team. I hope Smart can get this thing moving in the right direction. This is the 1st “Smart” thing the Kings have done in terms of coaching since hiring Rick Adelman. And if it doesn’t work out, I hope we get Jeff Van Gundy.
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(what does this phrase mean and how did it come into existence?)
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
It means keep your hands up and run at your defenders
or something like that.
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For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
I always took it to mean give your old clothes to the homeless
I never figured out how it translated to basketball though…
Mama, there goes that man!
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by darooster on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
He never met a cliché he wouldn't fully embrace
Hope he’s got more than just that in his coaching arsenal.
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Who else would be available??
Other than Larry Brown?? Phil Jackson?? Don Nelson?? Everyone else seems to be taken at this time. Got any ideas??
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You kidding?
Is Mark Jackson available for the Kings job and I didn’t know?
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If you pull the string in Mark Jackson's back, that is one of the phrases that comes out.
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by Wonderchild on Jan 5, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Am I the only one
that (at a glance) sees Westphal flipping us off in the picture?
DeShawn Stevenson called the Heat "classless" minutes before donning an anti-LeBron James shirt for a title celebration. If he were a pot, he’d be like, "Hey kettle, you’re black and classless." Then he’d pretend like he can’t feel his cast iron face. If he met J.R. Smith, he’d say, "You have a weird neck tattoo." And so on and so forth. ~ Trey Kerby
Disappointed by some of what seems to be unbridled glee here
I myself thought it was time for Coach Westphal to go. But this organization still has some serious issues from the top down. We have no idea if we just traded one bad coach for another. We don’t know if our players will respond at all.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
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Lord of the Flies action going on this site. Aykis I agree with your sentiments
I also wish for Coach Westphal who seems to be a delightful individual in a bad situation a happy and healthy future.
The fans here won’t be cheering until the team begins to win or shows significant strides in that direction. I will say it again and again – this is a talent and money oriented league particularly for the small market who need luck as well. The Kings are in a deep hole and they need golden stairs to show improvement this year. Until ownership provides talent and spends the money to make the team competitive, no Head Coach and No GM will be able to perform as hoped.
Personally, I am in for the lottery one more time, and it looks like, just 7 games into a 66 game season, that many consider this a fait d’accompli. This is the time to call in the Patience Preacher because on today’s low note, patience is the best medicine for the fans.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
The problems are far from fixed
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
No ill will here myself but,
we were about one Michelin away from a full blown tire fire.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
agreed
I dont like seeing anyone lose their job. But I can say Im a little excited to see what changes are coming.
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Yeah, this is indicative of a pretty severe systematic failure on our favorite team
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disappointed?
don’t get me wrong, I agree we certaintly don’t know if our players will respond and I personally got no interest in dancing gifs but can certaintly understand people being happy. Granted, it might bite them all in the ass but not something to be disappointed in.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Blasphemy
The Kings will head to the playoffs now that the only problem is gone. Don’t you know any better?
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
This is something that needed to happen
You should know. You’ve been writing the recaps.
I know it needed to happen
I just can’t say I’m thrilled that our team sucks so much our coach has gotten fired and replaced with someone else who may or may not be any good. I’m also not thrilled that we have ownership who doesn’t seem like they want to spend any money, and a GM that seems to have one foot in the retirement door and doesn’t care all that much. This team is still a mess, with or without Westphal.
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by Aykis16 on Jan 5, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think others are thrilled that the team sucks so much our coach has gotten fired and replaced with someone else who may or may not be any good.
I don’t think others are thrilled that we have ownership who doesn’t seem like they want to spend any money
I don’t think others are thrilled that we ahve a GM that seems to have one foot in the retirement door and doesn’t care all that much.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
I hear these same compaints over and over again
and I hate to rehash them over and over again, but I don’t see the situation the same way. People mad at the owners because they didn’t spend enough money in a shitty free agent class. Again, it’s not the Maloofs fault AK-47 turned down $20-something million from them.
A GM who is apparently checked out, but has made several savvy moves in the past year. The Hickson trade, the Hayes signing, the Thornton trade and resigning, very good drafts, etc. What else do we want Geoff to do?
I suppose that the owners and GM could be doing more, but to say that they haven’t done anything is weird to me.
Small steps
but, yes, this team is still a mess. The good thing is we should be able to tell where that blame lies – with the former coach or the current players. And that is a pretty big small step. I think.
I'm thrilled
That a necessary step was actually taken. We talk about all the things that need to happen or be implemented to fix our issues and so many of them come from the coach, and they finally did something about it.
The players play, but if they’re given bad plays to run, then who can blame them. Sure the players run the pick and rolls and screens, the coach is the person who creates the atmosphere to make those screens and picks successful. In a good system, even bad players can thrive.
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7 f-ing games!
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by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
What are the other options?
Even if you fire GP, you can’t undo the last 3 years of personnel decisions. The team is now built around 3 very young high scoring guards and very immature DMC – that’s your team. With 3 solid big men in Hayes, JJ and JT … and other miscellaneous odds & ends. Find a style that fits and play it. But what we’ve seen under PW was garbage.
You can’t fire the team.
More relief than glee for me.
I feel some satisfaction there is some vindication for Cousins, who was thrown under the bus. I would preferred to have heard that the Kings organization are actively looking for a replacement to the head coach position, rather than handing it over to Smart. I was hoping he would be a place card holder in the interim.
Westphal seems like a good guy. I was very supportive of him his first season, but the trade of Beno, for me, was his first major undoing. Unfortunately for him, his problems in working in a head coaching capacity began to catch up with him, until it all unraveled unceremoniously.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
I wish we could do the same with Del Negro
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LOL
Yeah. Just when you think the franchise is turning a corner, a Donald Sterling decision bites you in the ass.
Oh well.
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Ehh... We'll be fine with or without Sterling
We finally got a superstar who wanted to play for us… Times are changing my friend.
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by ClipperBEAST on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully you can get him to re-sign
that would be my worry
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
working on it..
Thanks for the concern… I hope everything works out for the best for you guys.
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by ClipperBEAST on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh...Scott Brooks
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by NeverForget2002 on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM PST reply actions
huh?
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We interviewed him in 2008
And chose to hire Reggie Theus instead. At the time Brooks said it was a “dream job” of his to coach the Kings.
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by NeverForget2002 on Jan 5, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
If you've followed OKC at all
You’d know that a lot of people are questioning just how good a coach Brooks is and how much of it is the talent he has to work with.
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Even if he gets a ring.
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PJ wouldn't be anything without MJ.
PJ wouldn’t be anything without Kobe and Shaq.
PJ wouldn’t be anything without Kobe, Pau and a whole bunch of other really good players.
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True
Everyone thought Doc Rivers was a shitty coach, until 2 more first ballot hall of famers fell into his lap and won a championship. Then, he could do no wrong.
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I read
that his coaching in the playoffs last year was aome of the worst people have seen in a while
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The offense had a tendency to stall badly
In big moments it appeared the offense lacked plays or direction. Difficult to tell if the blame is on coach, players, or both, but it was ugly. It appeared Brooks got significantly outcoached in that series.
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I wonder if Brooks would still be here had he gotten the job
I mean, had he been faced with the same roster and payroll constraints, would he still be the head coach here. Honestly, how much better could this team be?
Not being a smart arse here, and I would love if Brooks were our coach. And he took a team P.J. Carelsimo had completely effed up. But things are a lot easier for a coach when he has elite talent. Credit to him for helping to develop it, but I just don’t know that he would have survived in this environment.
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I mentioned this in the game threads
(And I am NOT saying we are going to do what the Thunder did in any way shape or form. This comment has nothing to do with the Scotty Brooks era)
I haven’t seen a basketball team as rutterless as the Kings right now than that P.J. Carelsimo team when they started in 08-09.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, have the Kings had an elite rutter since Ike Diogu left?
’Reke seems shy, DeMarcus immature, and Jimmer signed an honor code.
Sorry but I dont get why some people are calling for Petrie to go.
He has put this team together that is absolutely loaded with talent and potential.
We have explosive scorers in the backcourt in Evans and Thornton. We have a immensely talented big man in Cousins. We have two solid veterans to round out the starting lineup in Salmons and Hayes.
Off the bench, Thompson and Hickson are very good options as a 3rd big. Travis Outlaw is a serviceable backup forward.
And then Petrie just had what looks to be a solid draft with Fredette, Thomas, and Honeycutt.
The struggles of this team should not be put on Geoff Petrie.
What we need is a coach that can allow this team to fulfill their potential. We have a team that should be giving every team we play a tough game every night.
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I concur
The past few drafts have been very good. I loved the Omri for Hickson trade too. I think this roster is loaded and just need some guidance.
I still miss Adelman.
Adelman is doing exactly the coaching that we need on our team
He has Minnesota playing hard every night.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
He's not the coach we deserve
he’s the coach we need right now
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by iashwash on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
our 2 best players play the same position (2 gaurd)
but Petrie is a good GM i’m not calling for him at all. The Salmons deal was terrible IMO. And we shouldve drafted Brandon Knight because he can shoot the 3 and defend and pass. Really not sure why we didnt pick Knight right there.
i'd say he's had a good of 5 games as Jimmer
and a 23 point 6 assist performance…. the main thing is the defense thats the difference for me
And, who would those players be?
When you look at the players actual skill sets in both their Offensive and Defensive game, I think it’s a 3 way battle at who’s best at the 2.
Tyreke is horrible shooting from away from the basket, and he gambles too much on D.
Thornton is very inconsistent on offense and shot 33% against Portland, 38% against NY, and 29% against Memphis. He’s a high volume shooter, who can really hurt the team when he’s off. According to 82games.com he’s a slight defensive liability, being out scored when he’s on the court.
Salmons is having a terrible shooting season, which may have more to do with him being defended by SF. But, his defense of Kobe shows that he can defend top 2’s, while he’s been having trouble defending the top 3’s that we have faced. Salmons has shot 45.3% over the last 8 years, so I don’t believe that he just turned into a horrible shooter since he came to Sac. I think it’s more about the system and how his was being used.
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Im puzzled by this too...
Seems strange that people want the coach gone because this roster is “loaded” and we need a vet coach to go win now yet they want the guy who puts the roster together gone. Im lost on the logic on some fans.
To me its an OK roster of young talent. I dont think ANY coach would make it a contender. Until DMC develops into a consistent 18-10 guy, ’Reke and Thronton become 20-4-4 guys and the role players find consistency this team will go nowhere. They arent nearly as talented as home fans often think in my opinion. I think Petrie has done OK with what he has (its not an FA destination) but he hasnt blown me away in either direction good or bad really.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
He doesn't seem to be engaged IMO
Now it appears they supported Westphal in the Cousins saga, and alternately it was one of the reasons they released him.
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I'm not upset with every move he's made
I don’t even mind moving Beno, since I believe that Jimmer could be as good by the end of the season. But, picking up Salmon and his contract to solve our problem at the 3 is simply confusing. If the initial reason was for Salmons to play at the 2, then the signing of Thornton, Jimmer and IT is confusing. Since Tyreke needs to moved to the 2 to make room for Jimmer and IT at the 1.
My biggest disappointment with Chuck is his offense, which isn’t a serious problem if the Kings were scoring better. But, the Kings aren’t rebounding as well as they did with Sammy. The other problem with JJ and Chuck is that neither has shot better than 30% away from the rim FOR THEIR CAREER.
With $20M+ in cap space and Chuck Hayes is your major acquisition, has to make everyone concerned about the FO and owners.
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by HighTops on Jan 5, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
who wanted to come here though?
this isnt baseball where you can just outbid everyone to make up for low interest.
i would have loved for them to have just offered all that cap space to someone, but they have to want to come here.
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i love the hayes signing...
if he isnt starting and he is a rotation/defensive specialist (like malik rose used to be for the spurs).
the fact that he was getting so many minutes over hickson and thompson was what i didnt like.
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Good Point
Unfortunately, JJ gets most of his points inside where he would be competing with DMC for the offensive rebounds. Which would make JT the obvious best choice to start with Cuz.
Then we’d have to run JJ or Chuck as the backup Center (6-7 or 6-6 as your backup center is not a choice I’d like to see) Really, unless they plan to use Whiteside in the near future, the lose of Dalembert was a critical blow to this team.
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6'6" backup big is better than a 6'6" starting big...
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I agree
I don’t understand the need to sign Outlaw yet let Dalembert go. Sure he cost would have cost more money, but he would have brought more to the team than Outlaw. Plus, he played well with DMC toward the end of the season.
by boredwiththeUSA on Jan 5, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Can't fire the owners (unfortunately)
How’s everybody feeling about GP? Time for him to go too, or should he be retained?
I'd rather still see what he can do with competent owners
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
But his bulletproof vest definitely is becoming thinner
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
He deserves scrutiny, but should stay for now
I think this team has talent. I don’t think we can really judge how much until we see it with a real coach.
Honestly, the team we had on the floor last night had more talent than the Nuggets sans Nene. Coaching matters. And we consistently saw players under perform (compared to past & future here).
Petrie doesn’t deserve a free pass, but do not think we need to have wholesale changes. We had a bad coach and a toxic locker room. We are a better team than how we have been playing though.
I'm gonna throw a coaching name out there that I dont think anyone has thought of.
Brad Stevens.
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Emilio Estevez
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Norman Dale
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Yeah, Coach Dale and Cousins will get along juuuuust fine
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Coach Boone
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I'd rather have Coach Yost
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by darooster on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This guy.
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by EddieVegas_NRAF on Jan 5, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Eli anyday
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I dont see why Brad Stevens is a joke.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I honestly dont know who he is
but I was looking for an excuse for a Mighty Ducks plug
Flying V!
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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 5, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
He's the coach of Butler (the college)
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
It is not.
He would be an interesting hire. Would he even consider it? The pay has got to be worse here.
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For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
I honestly don't think he would leave Butler
But I think he would at least consider it.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
Damn. This caught me off guard.
I think it’s actually interesting though.
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by ClipperBEAST on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
To elaborate,
Stevens is a college coach at Butler and honestly I don’t think he would leave Butler. But this guy can flat out coach. He has led teams with noticeably less talent deep into the NCAA tourney year after year. He just knows how to get his team to play hard. If we put inserted him as the coach of a NBA team with alot of talent, I just think he would be very effective.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Hard to tell
That rarely translates to the pros, but who knows?
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Maybe Jim Harbaugh just has me under his spell.
That guy is a great coach.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Well, we are talking about Larry Brown a bit
That’s one guy who has succeeded at a high level both in college and the pros. So it can be done.
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I really like Brad Stevens.
But he is only 35. I think that would make him one of the youngest coaches in NBA history. If not the youngest.
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Broke the camel's back
now I officially hope the 49ers lose 49-0.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not a Niners fan eh?
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by Surprise Team on Jan 5, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
no I am not but don't dislike them either
but all the Harbaugh talk in a basketball website is more than I can take (and I LOVED him back when he was QB of the Colts)
by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Budenholzer
I’m probably fine with seeing how Smart does with the rest of this season, but once the Kings and Spurs’ seasons end, I want Mike Budenholzer brought in immediately for an interview.
Agree 100%
Would like that hire if a proven coach cant be hired.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Good luck
I’ve been beating that drum since 2005. No seriously!
by Tom Ziller on Jan 5, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he likes his job.
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For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
LOL
In that article you say Iavaroni and Musselman are upcoming coaches likely to be very good.
That doesn’t bode well TZ.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 5, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah and then he went to Memphis
Woops.
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It needed to be done
I’m just looking forward to another coaching carousel. I don’t have faith this organization is smart enough to hire a good coach. They passes on Thibs because he was “awkward”?? They need to stop hiring guys who give great interviews. This is the NBA not a job at the f*cking mall.
Musselman, great interview.
Theus, major swagger = great interview
Wesphal, stand up guy, great guy, very likable = great interview
Give me “brilliant but awkward” any day of the freakin week
by Allbenji on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Akward genius-type
I like it.
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Amick
Source says Kings vets Chuck Hayes and Francisco Garcia called a players-only meeting for 330 today because, well, there’s no head coach.
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Or he's out trying to depress people that are having fun
Maybe at the zoo, or an amusement park.
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by otis29 on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Salmons goes to the childrens hospital
And tries to cheer them up. He says they dont have it so bad, he has to play in the NBA and make millions, waaaa waaaa
actually...
I think 3:30 is is home game appointment at his Barber Shop to get his Goatee Shaped…
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by recklessmonkey on Jan 5, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I assumed the lack of emotion this season was because that was the case.
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by folsomfella on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lolz
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 5, 2012 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Good job Hayes and Cisco
Tell the players to do the respectful thing, don’t clown the coach in public interviews, say respectful things as he walks out the door.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
FINALLY
Now—-
BUY A GOOD COACH!!!!!! And get rid of Slick Petrie. This is really his mess.
glenn bell
The lack of funds for a good coach is his fault?
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
My question
How long does it take to find a new
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
So I should have waited until
after the first half of tonight’s game?
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Are you seeing a typo I'm missing?
Editor is actually leaning on my shoulder at the moment.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
LOL
Messing with you, but your first post seems to be missing a final word and the proper punctuation.
How long does it take to find a new
I had to guess what that last word is. But if she’s looking over your shoulder, I’m thinking the last word was supposed to be “wife”, and you got scared. ;)
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Ha!
The picture was the final word. It’s an old author trick from an old author.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Well used to be a picture of a whipping boy there
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Are they going to get another assistant coach?
How about Hubie’s son, the one that was with him in Memphis, Brendan Brown?
by getPGwithbounce on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM PST reply actions
PJ Calesimo
just for a day so Cousins can work out his frustrations before the next head coach
by who betta than kanyon? on Jan 5, 2012 12:38 PM PST reply actions
The line about Smart coaching tonights game makes me think they are probably talking to other coaches
Which would be somewhat unexpected.
Agreed, I somewhat felt the same.
While its not common to hire a new full time coach mid-season (usually you go the interim route) I wouldnt be surprised if maybe they do try to make a big splash or at least feel out some folks. They cannot afford to lose the fanbase again. They didnt get the FA splash they wanted so they have to be feeling the heat.
by WebberDynasty on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
Or they just want to feel out Smart's coaching style
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Speaking of coaches,
Who remembers when Florida’s coach Billy Donovan almost became Orlando’s coach?
"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC
I wish PW the best. He seems to be a good man, just not the right coach now.
Like others, I’m also disappointed in the unbridled and immature glee people are showing. This team has so many problems, not the least of which are some serious head cases on the team that may not be fixable by any coach, including one (DMC) that seems to need very serious professional help. Shortened season, hrmph. It’s already been a loooong season, and I predict it will seem anguishingly long before it’s over.
Unfortunately
I think Cousins and Tyreke are both head cases, just opposite ends of the spectrum
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jan 5, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
My thought exactly
Along with one or two more. I think the happiest person right now is PW himself. This group seemed to be really wearing on him, as they will do with the next coach. PW now gets to enjoy his $2 million dollar salary for the rest of the year while relaxing with sane people. He deserves it, and I’m happy for him.
Brown’s the most difficult coach on this list to rank. He’s similar to Skiles and Johnson, except he has an NBA title under his belt. Whereas Skiles and Johnson take teams to a certain level, Brown can often bring them over the top. It’s impossible to argue with all his success in all those stops, so we have to put him in the top 12. That said, he’s never been able to build a good offense, and it’s a huge red flag that he cannot commit to one team. He’s made the Bobcats better, but he’s also completely remodeled the team and made a bad salary cap situation even worse. Is it all worth it? Probably, but it’s still distressing.
Who else is in the top 12?
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
When I read this list
I immediately looked up one post to see who’s spelling you were mocking.
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
by 1damutt on Jan 5, 2012 12:45 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Back up the Brinks Truck!
what about Phil Jackson?
Go back in the truck, I'm going to light it on fire.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jan 5, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Start Whiteside
He’s averaging 13.5 Blocks per 48 minutes!! We need defense. We allow the highest field goal percentage inside the 3-point line.
He's bigger and more athletic than everybody. Woop de doo he has a bunch of blocks.
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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Dude has incredible potential
It’s a shame the front office isn’t allowing him to test his potential in the NBA. There is no other King big man that could even average half that (6.75 blocks per 48).
Along with Bismack Biyombo, they are the best combination of size, length and athleticism in the NBA. Unlimited potential being wasted.
Did you see Whiteside play in the preseason?
"when young kids go to shootaround at the park, they shoot followay shots and buzzer beaters and pretend to be Kobe and Lebron…but what they don’t realize is that when they shoot more than 50 shots they are actually pretending to be John Salmons."
by TheFifthMookie on Jan 5, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think you watched the preseason game vs. the Dubs a few weeks ago.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
From the outside looking in, I'm guessing that he has not shown the head for the game
Kind of like Justin Williams back in the day. Gobs of athleticism, but not a clue about defensive rotations and such.
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Justin Williams wasn't that athletic
He was 6’7" without shoes. For someone 6’7", he only had a 31" vertical. Josh Smith measured 6’7" but had a 39.5" vertical
He wasn't tall
He was very athletic. Williams didn’t wind up on the bench because his height – he couldn’t pass Kenny Thomas on the depth charts, and he was taller and longer than K9(woof!). He wound up on the bench because he could not grasp the defense.
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Yep, he would have the occasional showtime block
But couldn’t grasp rotational defense at all. Great kid, though.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Tyson Chandler also took quite a few years to figure out the NBA game
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Yep
I’m not saying cut him, but he still seems to be light years away from being NBA ready.
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I would like him to see some time as well.
But maybe there are some things he needs to work on that are better to do in Reno.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Ben Wallace = 6.0 points per game (career)
Former perennial all-star and made all-nba first team.
True enough
He was also 24 years old before he figured out NBA defense to the point that he could make a solid contribution.
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You got any worst case scenarios?
Like…I dunno…Hasheem Thabeet?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Especially considering Whiteside is basically nothing like Wallace
He doesn’t have the build that Wallace had at all. Wallace was shorter, but a goddamned brick. He was a much better on ball defender as well as being an elite help defender. And he was surrounded by a prime Rasheed, Tayshaun, and Chauncey. All elite defenders.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Jan 5, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wallace had a serious fire in his belly as well
Something that hasn’t been noted in Mr. Whiteside to this point.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I wasn't direct comparing
My point was that you can contribute at an elite level even when you don’t score points & when it’s done on the defensive end.
Wallace is an anomaly though
There’s plenty of guys like Whiteside who’ve never had an impact on the NBA.
I’d love for you to be right, but the kid’s shown very little to make me think he’ll be a player.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Thabeet wasn't that good
He was just in a weak draft class. He is less athletic AND has less length than Whiteside
Well, you must be right then
Whiteside is the next Ben Wallace.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
That draft class was pretty good actually
Two rookies of the years. One in Steph Curry who could have been if the coin flipped the other way. Rubio looks sick. Jennings dropped a double nickel in his rookie season. Casspi, Teague. Demar is getting better. James Harden is destroying right now.
The Grizz just fucked up and drafted height.
Read: Toblerone Jones
No strong big men
Besides maybe Blake Griffin, who is doing things on the offensive glass ONLY.
I'm all for giving him a few minutes here and there
that being said, has he even shown he is good at even one side of the court
Why not?
He’ll foul out in 5 minutes, so what’s the harm?
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Look on the bright side
We still have Whiteside!
Here comes the playoffs!
Now that the problem is solved.
I vote for Craig T Nelson
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
by 1damutt on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I prefer Coach Carter
But not the real guy, the Samuel L. Jackson version.
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Only one coach can handle these young kids:
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
by SactoRyan on Jan 5, 2012 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I changed my mind I want COACH HINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
by 1damutt on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I vote this man...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Jan 5, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I hear Craig T Nelson is great at teaching transition defense
And getting the most out of talented but problematic big men
There is only one real coach
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I have a strong distaste for the majority of your list.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Jan 5, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like them all except Porter.
"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner
Elston Turner - I forgot about him
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Bring me Elston...
I’ll take anyone that has ties to Adelman..
1. Elston Turner
2. John Wetzel
3. Sign man
4. Bubba Burrage
5. His wife, Mary Kay
Well didn't Kenny Natt have ties to Sloan
Ties mean nothing if you don’t know how to coach
by SharkKings49 on Jan 5, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sarcasm...
After Elston, my list was a joke…
It will always be on Demarcus' reputation that he ran Westphal out of Sacramento
And obviously he hasn’t been a saint. He got in a fight with Donte, he’s been a handful in the lockerroom in his short stint in his league. Clearly he has problems.
But Westphal got fired because he’s been a terrible coach. He gets consistently outcoached in close games. Can’t hold a line up. He’s terrible at drawing up plays out of a timeout. In game he is horrendous. And out of games he’s been just as bad. He feuded with Martin and ran him out of town, then somehow used the media to shift blame on Tyreke Evans. He quarrelled with Hawes, was in my opinion a main reason why Dalembert had no interest in resigning. Not to mention, this year when his seat was hot, he lead a team that has been completely blown out of four games in a seven game season. Then, when his seat was the hottest he tried to shift the blame on DMC.
It was time for him to go.
Read: Toblerone Jones
People forget
A young sophomore star in a Lakers uni once ACTUALLY demanded a trade and got his coach fired.
If Magic freaking Johnson can do it and heal his reputation, it can be done.
by LightningStrike5 on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
DeMagic Johnsins
Sounds like another Aykis mashup idea.
Former Infant / Future Corpse
by swoosh91 on Jan 5, 2012 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Magic could do a lot of things
just saying, that might be the worst example of “If X player can do it and his his rep, it can be done” I have seen in some time
Yup, he was a terrible coach
Regardless of the many bonehead moves that GP’s made over the last 5 years, the fact is that the team has lots of young talent and depth, but they’re not even competitive against mid-level teams … A good coach can fix that given the player pieces in place.
Westphal was god-awful in all respects.
Ooops, best case scenario...
…Dwight Howard ousts Stan Van Gundy this season, then Kings swoop Stan in the offseason.
Can I elect to have Stan oust and Howard
and we swoop Dwight in the offseason?
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Let's just trade Salmons and a PTBNL for Howard and Stan
Since we’re making trades in Fantasyland
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And we get Patrick Ewing
we saw what he did with Yao(when healthy) and Dwight
Not Westphal's fault...
That our players forgot all the stuff they learned in Pee Wee basketball. In the words of Mike Ditka, “The Coaches coach and the Players Play.” I highly doubt that Westphal mandated Tyreke never pass the ball on a 3-on-1 break, or for Cousins not to dunk the ball in traffic, or for us to get outrebounded and outran. That’s not bad coaching, that’s bad playing.
by 6thgradefreethrowchamp on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM PST reply actions
I think it's bad coaching
If there’s no ramifications for performing that way, whose fault is it?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Our Coach wasn't Coaching
Therefore our Players didn’t play
by HeuristicLineup on Jan 5, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Playa's don't play
Whoomp. Whoomp.
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Forbes #3 in the West, #12 in the Nation
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by HarveySpecter on Jan 5, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions
The Kings have such bad luck at drafting and signing free agents that
they can’t find one single player who remembered basic basketball fundamentals. Is that what you’re implying?
Not bad luck...
Just saying that at the NBA level, coaches aren’t supposed to teach fundamentals like… how to set and properly use a screen, for example. You can’t coach “Get back on D.” The players either get back on D or not. That’s all I’m saying.
by 6thgradefreethrowchamp on Jan 5, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
regressed actually.
played well the first half of his first season… then right down the crapper.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Anyone know how much Westphal is getting paid this year?
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
by AkaP on Jan 5, 2012 1:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
*was
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
by AkaP on Jan 5, 2012 1:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Did Westphal have a "system" ...
team doesn’t play D or rebound, but they’re also not allowed to run … WTF were they doing? Up tempo, isolation, slow-ball ala Mike Fratello … sometimes all on the same possession
I felt same way about PW's "system"
even going back to his Phoenix years. I was watching old Suns games from 93-95 and could not grasp what the Suns were running. It helps to have good personnel like Barkley, KJ, Majerle, Ainge, Chambers, etc when running a free flowing “system”.
Did PW WANT TO BE FIRED?
Just thinking… his public display of handling DMC (good way to be put in a bad light) and his knowledge of this being his last year… maybe he was just tired and wanted a paid vacation rather than play it out through the season.
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
Losing is one thing,
but you cant get blown out every other game.
This is not shocking.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Kings FO reached out to Chuck Norris to be coach
but changed their mind when he said he would have sent Cousins home…
…in a body bag.
Nolan Smith - PG of the future. Book it.
Actually he changed his mind...
because he is afraid of Jimmer.
"The Kings have nothing to lose but their games."
by SactoRyan on Jan 5, 2012 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
The Fall of Westphal changes nothing.
Paul Westphal and his fall from grace is a symptom of a franchise is disarray and reflects deep seated problems. Letting him go does not change those problems. It just removes another symptom.
Just like letting go of Musselman, Theus, and Natt did no more than leave a disfunctional franchise in the same amount of disarray as it was in when they took on and left the coaching job.
The Kings are still screwed because what is going on reflects just how bad things are in the franchise. To put this in perspective, this franchise just disassembled itself preparing for move to Orange County. They stopped putting the emphasis on winning. It was OK to lose because the goal was to move the team. Winning could come later and losing actually helped them justify moving.
Can’t you hear the story line from the Maloofs? Can’t you hear them telling Stern that the fanbase was lost and that the corporate sponsors just didn’t exist in Sacramento. They needed that narrative to make the move a reality, but it just didn’t work. Cause it was all a lie.
The best damn NBA fans are in Sacramento. Rooting for a dysfunctional franchise despite a staggering amount of seemingly intentional inept management.
Sadly, the team does not just have to rebuild its talent-base. They have to rebuild their management as well. Petrie was probably going to retire if they moved. Many of their senior staff took positions elsewhere. And to make it even worse they developed a team culture of losing.
The rebuild has to happen across the whole franchise. Every damn brick in the foundation and structure has to be re-done.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
I agree with much of what you say, but I so not think it is a lie that the corporate sponsors do not exist in Sacramento. It is very much the case, and it is an impediment to getting an arena financing package put together.
by ExPFCWintergreen on Jan 5, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Sacramento's business is politics
And it doesn’t sponsor anything but itself.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I agree with a lot of what you say except for your basic premise.
The Fall of Westphal is drawing a line in the sand and saying this is unacceptable. He was given a fair amount of rein to coach and have input on draft selections, and trades, which resulted in total dysfunction of the team, a distraction from the game, and an embarrassment to the front office.
It cleans the slate, at least for the time being, to allow the team to focus on something else, like winning a game.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Let's hope...
Because when this has happened in the past it did not cure the disease. It just replaced one symptom with a very similar one.
We have had many coaching changes in recent times. Has it helped? Has it made the team improve that much? Can you cure a disease by addressing symptoms? Not usually….
Let’s hope they can get the choice of a coach right. They have improved the talent-base on the roster and now have to improve the quality of the coach. This is the next test of the franchise.
After that there are other tasks. They need to improve the front office and management. I just don’t know if they are up to it yet. Time will tell.
Changing ownership would go a long ways toward a general house cleaning…
"I gotta have more cowbell"
I agree that the change may not cure the disease, but the team was going nowhere with Westphal. I think that much is fairly certain, at this point.
I agree with you that Westphal was just a symptom of problems within the organization. We are both in agreement there needs to be an improvement in the quality of the coach. I’m not so sure Smart is going to be the answer based on a lot of comments, which have been made about him.
The owners may need to spend more money to get the quality of coach which is needed to turn things around.
One thing I have really learned from all of this, watching the parade of mediocre coaches come and go following Adelman is this: A franchise really doesn’t save any money when they decide to go cheap on the acquisition of a coach. Millions of dollars are on the line with player salaries, quality of player acquisitions, and income from ticket sales. A bad coach, no matter how cheap, can cost a franchise millions of dollars (far more than his own salary) through poor coaching and poor roster decisions. I would love to have Kevin Martin and Beno back.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Absolutely agree. Well said.
Though if your plan is to lose enough games so that Sacramento fans and the city won’t fight to keep the team then hiring a crappy coach and losing games makes perfect sense…
Let’s hope the Maloofs have changed their plan and goals to selling tickets to games and getting fans interested in coming to a game. Let’s hope they realize they need to spend money to make money.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
Kings horses...Kings men
Unfortunately, Westfall took the fall for an underperforming set of players. You CANT win if you CANT:
-play anything but journeyman small forwards
-Make a consistent outside jump shot
-have at least one ‘go-to’ player (last year it was Thornton. Who is it this year?)
-get back to stop the fast break
-defend from the weak side under the basket
-consistently find the open man
-have the talent of a superstar and act like an entitled 6 year-old
I blame the Kings veteran players for this more than Westfall. More than a new owner, a new GM, or a new coach, the Kings need a true player/leader to help implement whatever gameplan the coach offers and to enforce some semblance of discipline on the team.
Until the Maloofs choose to spend the money to get at least one upper-eschelon player having a combination of talent and leadership skills- the Kings are going nowhere.
journeyman small fwds who account for, what, $18 million a year?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Hallelujah!!!!
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Eureka!!!
Too long in coming, but I actually want to watch games now.
C’mon Keith. Having played for Bobby Knight, I’d be shocked if he didn’t know how to run a more disciplined offense.
Larry Brown!
A great coach with a ton of experience in dealing with difficult personalities and young players. His reputation has been questioned with his age and recent success, yet with over 30 years of coaching he has been around long enough to see the highs and lows of multiple organizations. Brown has also expressed interest in coaching the KIngs young and talented group, and probably has a chip on his shoulder following his firing in Charlotte (which I am always a fan of).
Why wouldn’t Brown want his coaching career capped with turning around a troubled organization with a TEAM (not ownership, management, and etc) that has some of the best young talent in the league.
I hope they have already given him a call.
It´s kinda sad that it got to a point where we celebrate a man losing his job.
At least he won´t starve to death. All the best Mr. Westphal.
He's an NBA headcoach
This isn’t a depression era farmer being ran off his land.
Read: Toblerone Jones
Wow, just got off the golf course.
and good news prevails. Makes my lousy putting storke seem minor. It will be interesting to see what happens tonight. I bet Cousins is smiling but I hope he behaves and plays like we expect him to.
Without any attempt at gloating or anything
I do hope this meme can live on:
In most polarizing arguments, the truth is found somewhere in the middle.
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by Exhibit G on Jan 5, 2012 3:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Purple Craze
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jan 6, 2012 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Again we are in the headlines, but not for good reasons
I’m not keeping my hopes up just yet, our record with interim coaches is bad. But hey if Bobby Jackson was made coach we would be seeing IT manning the point from here on out.
Aya
Most of you were screaming for Westphal to be fired, now that he is, most are still finding things to argue about….I woul rather be debating on line-up changes who gets more or less minutes etc, not the same old stuff about Maloofs and GP…
To me, this all makes todays game (tonights depending where you are from) more interesting!!
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