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To all the fans that cry about Evans as a PG


I feel like I need to make a few points as I don't agree at all with all these people writing that Evans is not a PG.

1) Evans played in Westphal's system which was HORRIBLE!!!! First of all it's a joke to say that Evans was in a point guards role as the offense started with someone new initiating the offense each drive down. Evans did not play as a PG until the first game under Smart.

2) The first game when he played under Smart and his rookie season I saw plenty of evidence that Evans can be a very effective point guard in this league. He is very good at breaking down defenses and kicking the ball out. Last game he had several players (Thorton and Salmons) just flat out miss wide open shots. I predict while playing under Smart you will see Evans assist numbers rise significantly.

3) No one else on the team right now is fit to play as a starting point guard in the league. That includes Jimmer who has not impressed me at all yet. He jumps in the air while trying to pass ALL THE TIME!!!! This has been masked a little since Westphal's offense excluded having a point guard per say. But if you had Ferdette actually play as a traditional PG he would be a turnover machine. Ferdette is useful if he starts making 3's consistently. If he can't then I would even put Thomas ahead of him.

I will eat crow if I'm wrong but I think everyone will see starting Sunday a vastly different and much improved team. Especially everyone will see a much different Tyreke Evans at the PG position. The real crime of the situation is why did the Kings keep Westphal on? I know he was a nice guy by all indications but he was perhaps the worst coach in Kings history. Yes you read that right. If you exclude the hot start the team had Westphal's first year, he had the worst winning percentage. What's worse is, in part because of spats with Westphal, we traded away Martin and Hawes with not much in return (by luck we were able to turn the Martin trade into Thorton, essentially). Which I would add Landry to the list of Westphal's career killing attempts. Dalembert used us, but you know he was never going to play under Westphal again. Thank God THorton really had no choice but to sign here. What made me laugh the hardest the last few days was listening to all these fans calling up radio shows and typing "Paul Westphal is a great coach". Where's the proof on that claim. The minute the Sonics got rid of Westphal is the day that team started playing good basketball again. The Suns had several hall of famers and if they had a decent coach they probably would have won a championship. I compare Westphal with the Suns to the Chargers with Norv Turner (as a Raider fan, thank goodness they are keeping him as Coach!). Then to hear Napier praising Westphal, well, he lost a lot of credibility with that.

Anyway...I do believe that Smart will be a good coach for us (finally!!!!!) and the young talent will blossom with him. In closing I think the Kings could be a contender again soon if only they could hire a GM to do all free agent signings and trades and just use Petrie to draft. Petrie is a genius at drafting players, but his trades and free agent signings have been an absolute mess for the past decade. At the end of the season all the people saying Evans should not be a PG will disappear.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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I'm open on Evans.

Whatever he is, 1,2 or 3, he’s a helluva baskeball player at the end of the day. He can handle it, he can get to the rim at will and he can finish and gets to the free throw line. He needs to hit a jumper consistently and invite his teammates to fill the wings and pass the ball to them.
When he does that, not only is he a PG, but he’s one of the best in the league.

Nice post!

by Crowny on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks

I think people forget his only year at Mempis too. They had him playing the 2 there and the team struggled but the moment they moved Evans to the point the team started winning. I think Evans needs a decent coach that will put him in a normal PG role and we’ll see what he can do. I think Sacramento fans will be happy with the results (after all he was a ROY player in his rookie season, and I won’t mention the stat line as it has been overplayed. But on that bad team he did average over 5 assists.)

Plus for all those that want to put him at the 2 and 3 positions are crazy. You take away the mismatch (as you can’t deny he is a great ball handler and he out muscles every other PG in the league) and those positions play to Evans weaknesses (jump shooting). To move him to the 2 or 3 makes little sense. In addition Thorton is thriving as your starting 2 guard, why mess with that. As far as Salmons goes, I think I’ve seen enough. He hasn’t defended or shot well this entire season so far. If he doesn’t snap out of this funk I think we need to go a different direction at the 3. (I would not be surprised to see Greene resurface as our starting SF under Smart).

Sunday will be fun! I think Orlando will be leaving Arco (I mean Power Balence) with a loss.

by nerdninja on Jan 6, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

. In addition Thorton is thriving as your starting 2 guard, why mess with that.

That’s probably the best argument for playing Tyreke at point. The best argument for not playing him at point is probably the warrior’s MontayEllis another guy who can take it to the rim and dish off but still leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to getting the whole team involved in the offense. The danger of a point with Tyreke’s skills is everyone tends to stand around and watch him instead of thinking how can I get open?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2012 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

He can guard point guards... so thats a start.

But can he learn to effectively run the break, make the open pass on a gamely basis? That has yet to be seen. I will admit he does show brief moments of point guard stardom. With this being his 3rd year in the league I fully expect him to have a assist to turnover ratio breakout year. If he can’t make that happen, then I would suspect he will never make that jump to PG and will be moved to SG fulltime.

by ridingthebench on Jan 7, 2012 12:17 AM PST reply actions  

PG or not

He played best when he played with another PG/combo. I like Evans bringing ball up over MT23 all day but I’d like to have a veteran PG share the duties. Like what we had with Beno.

by Allbenji on Jan 7, 2012 12:31 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Juxtaposition
Evans played in Westphal’s system which was HORRIBLE!!! … Evans did not play as a PG until the first game under Smart.

followed by

The first game when he played under Smart and his rookie season I saw plenty of evidence that Evans can be a very effective point guard in this league.

(italics mine)

Who was Evans’ coach during his rookie season, which was when he played point guard, but not really because he

…did not play as a PG until the first game under Smart.

?

I’m not defending Westphal’s offense, and I’m not lambasting Evans’ skills as a point guard. I only ask that when you sit down to make a case, you simply be consistent and logical.

And obviously, your assertion that Westphal was the worst coach in Kings history really takes the piss out of the rest of the essay. You may find some that agree with you, but I’d imagine if you were to let the season end, then put all of the coaches since Adelman in a poll and asked which was the worst, I’m pretty sure interested Kings fans would prove me right.

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Jan 7, 2012 12:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I should have been more specific....

In his rookie season Westphal let Tyreke have the ball in his hands pretty much the entire season (to a fault really). And when Tyreke ran a normal point guard offense during the first two months of Westphal’s tenure the Kings played well. When Westphal fell in love with Tyreke’s ability and basically gave him iso plays all the time the team fell off. Last year was a total loss with both injuries, trades, and Westphal it was hard to make heads or tails of what was happening.

This season Westphal came in and basically had three starting positions (THorton, Evans, and Salmons) sharing duties bringing the ball up the floor. Almost every series had a high screen with a big having the ball away from the bucket followed by an isolation play for one of the three guards who either drove or shot while everyone stood and watched. A PG position was non-existant. No one was calling or running plays. They look lost (and basically said they were lost).

So that was long winded, but yes Westphal let Tyreke play PG year one and it resulted in a ROY award. The second comment was refering to Tyreke playing full-time PG for the 1st time this season (not sharing the PG position with the 2,3) was the last game with Smart as coach. Evans actually initiated the offense and controled the flow.

I would say Westphal was the worst coach for the reasons I stated above. His winning percentages were among the worst, he forced two young very good players off the team while working hard to force Cousins off too (not to clear Cousins of any guilt of the situation), and he basically wasted a few years of development of what I feel should have been much better players in Thompson, Greene, and Caspi. I think his overall performance of coach in both developement and gameplanning was just terrible. I think you’d have to go all the way back to Russell before you found an equivilent of bad in my mind. Even Dick Motta was better in my estimation, but I guess it is subjective.

by nerdninja on Jan 7, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

A couple of points--

First, I think it’s possible for you to make your points without calling out people who don’t think Evans is the best fit at PG by implying they cry.

Second, I agree that Westphal was not doing a good job, but one game doesn’t seem like enough data to proclaim that “Smart will be a good coach for us… and the young talent will blossom.” Even the Maloofs are giving him until the end of the season.

And third, you state that Evans is good at kicking the ball out. Maaaaaaybe. But he has an alarming tendency to dribble into the paint with two or more defenders waiting for him and not kick it out. He did well Thursday night, but again, it’s only one game.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2012 7:41 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Should have said

Evans is tied with Thomas for most turnovers per 36.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 7, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

And just to comment on my comment again since everyone else is sleeping off Friday night

I’m not saying JImmer will be a great PG. It is way too early to tell. What I am saying is that there is a lot more data on Evans playing NBA PG than there is Jimmer or IT. And after two full years it isn’t all that promising. Evans could bloom and become a great PG. But there is nothing in your post to back up your claims other than lots of exclamation points. If you won’t to sell me, give me some evidence.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Jan 7, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of people think jammer could be a good pg.

I agree. It’s that he is so bad on d he handcuffs the team when he’s out on the floor. His pick and roll d is the worst I’ve ever seen. He seems to guard the 2’s and 3’s a little bit better. If they do a better job of picking and choosing who he guards he will be inna better position. He should never guard drose.

by sacman on Jan 8, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

"I gotta have more cowbell"

by CowbellKings on Jan 7, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

It doesn’t matter if Evans is the PG, SG, or SF. He is the Kings best shot creator and will have the ball in his hands the majority of time because he breaks down the defense. Its not like you have to look very far to see plenty of evidence how this works in the NBA.

The traditional facilitating PG won’t work on this team anyways, the players they have aren’t spot up shooters and/or great finishers around the rim.

by bignerd on Jan 7, 2012 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Other have already stated my objection to your analysis

but I would point out one fact overlooked by those defending Tyreke’s passing skills and lack of assists.

The actual 3P% and not eFG% of all the teams in the league is 33.7% or about 1 out of every 3 shots taken from beyond the 3pt line. So, I refuse the logic that because 3 or 4 or 5 players miss wide open shots from beyond the arc, that Tyreke should have had 3 or 4 or 5 more assists. One or two yes, but he doesn’t deserve to be credited for every missed shot when the open shots come from a range that only generate one basket for every 3 attempts.

There are only 8 PG’s in the league that are averaging more than 2 assists from beyond the 3pt line. The top PG’s in assists get a third to a half of their assists at the rim. Tyreke has never averaged more than 1.8 assists at the rim in his career. I won’t extrapolate that out to how many he should average, but those that do shouldn’t find it hard to do.

In comparison Nash is averaging 4.6, Paul 4.0, Rubio 2.9, Wall 2.6 and Curry 3.4 while Tyreke is averaging 1.0. Since all are a SSS, I believe the comparison is still valid. A true play making PG needs to create EASY shots for his teammates, not just open shots from the most difficult shooting range in the game.

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by HighTops on Jan 7, 2012 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

What's the percentage on wide-open 3-point attempts?

The .337 figure isn’t necessarily a valid starting point because that includes all three-point attempts: end-of-quarter heaves, end-of-possession prayers, stupid shots players take under close coverage – and, yes, the occasional wide-open look. Apples and oranges.

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by napg on Jan 7, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Statistically, with 30 teams over 82+ games, the exceptions have little affect on the average.

but your going to believe what you want anyways.

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by HighTops on Jan 8, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

With all the guys that collapse on him when he drives, he should be getting lots of drop offs for dunks. Not just kickouts for jumpers.

by lchristmas on Jan 8, 2012 8:35 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

An offense that doesn't run plays to get anyone open but the player with the ball.

What most forget is that when no one is open and no one is trying to get open or is opening up passing lanes, and the defense is just sitting by the rim waiting for Tyreke instead of leaving someone open to double him, There is no one for him to pass to. And, he has no other shot other then at the rim.

So, he’s doing the best anyone can expect considering the offense he’s been playing in.

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by HighTops on Jan 9, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

After two games

I feel my post is already being proved true. So you can continue to say I’m wrong, but Tyreke will be an all-star at the PG position with two years.

by nerdninja on Jan 8, 2012 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

you can continue to say I’m wrong, but Tyreke will be an all-star at the PG position with two years.

You do know that allstars are voted in by the fans and are often not the best players at their position? If Tyreke ends up in boston or LA or suddenly finds he’s got chinese roots he’ll have a much better chance. Otherwise I wouldn’t plan on it cause CP3, Westbrook,and other players from more nationally popular teams have such a headstart, Tyreke would have to get really good plus get people to vote for a player other than their own team’s to win..

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 8, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Bench players on all-star teams are chosen by coaches.....

But I believe with Cousins, the Kings could quickly become good and Tyreke could be a starter. The way he drives the lane is special. I have never seen a guard be able to make moves quite the same way he does. Not only that if he is able to build off his rookie year, the players you mentioned will not put up the same all around stats Tyreke is capable of.

by nerdninja on Jan 8, 2012 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wade drives the lane like Tyreke

and I think eventually Tyreke will make his start in the All-Star game as a SG if he ever does.

For now, if you can’t shot better then 30% away from the rim, and you can’t create open shots for your teammates, you better be the best defender in the league if you hope to make it to the All-star Game

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by HighTops on Jan 9, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

But I believe with Cousins, the Kings could quickly become good and Tyreke could be a starter

no doubt about it the Kings have a lot of potential in Cuz and Tyreke but a great point guard also needs to be a great facilitator and get everyone involved in the offense. I don’t get to see a lot of Kings games but I’ve got the impression that Evans is more of a scorer than a facilitator so might have more success at the 2 spot. Trouble is it’s hard to find great point guards so Tyreke might end up stuck at point for a long time. I don’t know if the kings drafted jimmer with thoughts of making him a point but if not maybe they could move him for a pretty good one?

Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.

by Skeptic con Urquell on Jan 9, 2012 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

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