Tyreke Evans The Point Guard: A Chart

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I’m thinking Andre Miller or Luke Ridnour.

Didn’t you read the artical tyreak is the traditional pg that we need now, all u guys is just hatin

but Tony Parker could have the whole Brass section.

Number of assists is a raw number, which could indicate Evans just has the ball in his hands more for a variety of reasons (such as Thronton being out).

Assist rate is the percentage of possessions where Evans is getting an assist versus burning the possession in other ways good or bad (FG, FT, TO). So Assist Rate increasing is more about the change in the offense and in his mentality.

Thornton wasn’t exactly doling out the assists, and he has a higher shooting percentage than anyone that has taken his place.

You’d think Evans assists would go up by having another scorer and good catch and shoot player like Thornton on the floor.

Which I like, but he was trying to thread the needle which lead to turnovers.

but right now he seems to be thriving in a well defined roll so I would be hesitant to change anything. And team talent is a big factor as well, if we had an all-star PG in the back court with Reke then by all means move him over to the 2. As of right now I am excited to see him doing what few other guards can do, even if it has only been an 8 game stretch.

Here’s to continued improvement and consistency.

(and the person with the ball is most responsible for running the offense obviously)
Tyreke all to often looks completely out of the game, standing 3 feet behind the 3-pt line, not set, not nothin’, just watching.

… a sweet pass to an open Hickson under the rim, but J.J. mishandled it.

That said, this happens to every team. CP3 averaged all those assists in N.O. last year with Emeka Okafor, Marco Belinelli and Trevor Ariza as three of the options in the starting five.

Although, can you really blame him for not passing to Salmons?

Young players often struggle at the end of games with shooting too much or deferring too much.

And in the last two games Evans drove and dished to Cousins on the last play of the Kings-Jazz game [same play where Jimmer shot the three after it went out of bounds]. Then last night he dished to IT for the three pointer after driving.

So he still has room to growth, but the end of game issues seems to be getting better as well.

is that when the game gets tight he tends to slow down even more and the ball doesn’t even get in play, even near the 3 pt line, until there are 10-11 seconds left on the clock.

THAT’S why the defenses are so set, so ready. That’s a big reason anyway why we tend to get such poor shots at the end of games.

I too recognize that Tyreke’s assists per game numbers have been up, but I don’t know that Assist Rate is the proper way to judge his overall improvement under Smart. His AR would go up if he Attempted fewer shots, shot less FT’s and turned the ball over less. and, in fact over the last 10 games he is averaging fewer FTA’s. But his Turnovers increased and his FGA’s stayed the same. Which pretty much makes your point and kills my argument.

But you are right. Assist rate is not perfect. But it is a pretty good judge. If a players is going to try to score – FG, FT, TO is pretty much the only result. The only stat that is outside of a player’s control is the assist, because they need their teammates to finish. Ideally basketball would have an passing statistic like baseball’s pitching statistics that are independent of fielding.

Still, I think the numbers match up with what we have been seeing on the court. The numbers here are not contrary to what we have been discussing in game threads, they simply give more weight to our observations.

Still a small sample size, but IF Evans keeps this up, then I think he’s clearly proven he can distribute well enough to be a primary ball handler.

but off the top of my head I can think of 3 plays that not only should not have been TO’s on him, but assists. One on a drop off to Hickson on the baseline, one that was lobbed out of bounds because JT (or maybe DMC) didn’t go up for it but would’ve had an easy oop, and a third on the outlet through Garcia’s fingers.

Some of this will come with time, some through getting a jump shot so defenders can’t take as many charges (he picks up more of these than typical PGs).

Not bad for a guard who handles as much as he does. But on the other hand, pass first guards tend to have higher turnover rates because they’re looking to pass a lot more. It’s hard to turn it over when you shoot most of the time.

On many, many levels.

Almost got me.

He looks for his own shot too much for that.

But I’m much more concerned about us getting good shots when it counts than some assist number we’re pulling out of our butts.

there are many more facts and examples supporting your point of view…but it’s no fun:)

observation!

is the one at the top of the key. He will now pass the ball to an open wing the second they collapse, instead of continuing to the rim until he’s trapped and forced to pass.

Hayward joining the dunk fest and the crowd in Utah is going nuts. Fun as hell.

but he’s much more of a combo guard than a point.

I don’t know, bankers hours, what do you think? You wouldn’t be insinuating that Jimmer should be getting more minutes at PG, now, would you?

Smart already said it wasn’t in the cards except in very specific situations.

Additionally, he won’t be starting at center, power forward or as head coach any time soon.

The guy is a guard, he’s a mismatch offensively and defensively as a guard. Not so much at any other position. How about the SFs start playing better, and we let Reke continue to work on his improvement under Smart in the backcourt?

…they wouldn’t be molding him into a pg right now if they weren’t planning on using him at the 1 a lot more often, if not permanatly. HOWEVER, that’s with KS at the helm, which may only last one season.

Rondo, Deron Williams and Chris Paul(though even he can turn in to a shoot first guard).

That’s what you would hope for from Fredette.

twice

AND he should blossom as a superstar scorer as well!

It’s all about that outside shot. That’s all he needs to be a superstar at the 1!
He sees passing lanes now, that is apparent from his play of late. He is beginning to see the whole floor now so the passing will come – and it MUST come for Tyreke to be a superstar.

With ‘Reke being such an obvious mismatch, teams will have to double team him on the perimeter as well once that 12’-18’ shot becomes automatic – y’know? Like Beno automatic!

So he becomes a PG that can score first – stopping and popping, as it were, or slashing if the floor is open either way, if he us under attended to by opposing defenses.

With that little outside shot in his back pocket, ’Reke is also a PG that has an open man, hopefully moving without the ball and ready to catch (easier said than done on this team, granted) and quickly score. Cousins will be there too, always a defensive draw as well!
If Tyreke gets a jump shot inside the 3 point line he becomes a superstar at the 1

oops I dropped an open pass! Hit me right in the hands too!

AND I am a _______ year veteran! (insert # of years)

All year long I’ve seen this happen!
It would really help the development of our true stars if the role players around them would
just
not
fail
to CATCH the BALL.

It only tells you the players ratio of assists to possessions used. Example: if player A has no turnovers and doesn’t get to the FT line, but gets 4 assists and takes 4 FGA’s (not baskets), he has an Assist Rate of 100.0. If player B has no turnovers or FT’s, has 10 assists and take 20 FGA’s (makes all 20 shots) he has an Assist Rate of 50.0.

It doesn’t tell you who is more likely to get assists, only a players assists vs possessions ratio.

If a players looks to pass more than score he’s going to have a high AR, but he won’t necessarily create more assists that another player that trys to score. Also, another factor to consider is A:T ratio. If player A averages 4 turnovers a game, his ratio is 1to1, which would be horrible for a player that doesn’t score and only gives you 4 assist even tho his Assist Rate is twice the next closest player in the league.

the Assist Rate means nothing unless you know possessions used and turnover ratio.

Not that he isn’t a great player, but if you expect Tyreke to be Chris Paul – or if you think the only way a team can win a title is to have a CP3 type point guard – well, I disagree.

The first quarter looks great, then as the game continues they slowly start reverting back to their old habits. This is something that I think Smart will be able to beat out of them, but it might take a little while to wash the Westphal off.

The problem with this statement is highlighted in the first three words.

After each practice under Smart this team comes out and looks visibly better.