Do We Need a Pass-First PG?
by KeonClark on Feb 10, 2012 1:17 PM PST
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PrintExcuse me if a fanpost isn't the right medium for this, but I just want to get a discussion going on whether we still need a pass-first point guard.
I am of the opinion that we do. I still believe that Thornton is best served coming off the bench, and being part of the closing lineup. So I believe that would mean Tyreke moving to the 2.
So how would we get a PG? Who is available? Who would you give up?
Also, is a productive small forward higher priority?
This next year's draft is supposed to be lacking PGs. Does that mean we have to trade for one? The only one that I can think of that is available is Ramon Sessions. I do not know a ton about him, but I believe he is at least considered decent.
So let me hear your thoughts. Go Kings!
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Jimmer and IT are great
They are both spewing loads of potential and are showing great glimpses of greatness in their own ways. I say we keep developing them and see how much better they get as the season rolls on. Jimmer will end up scoring around 16ppg,8apg,3rpg,3spg the last 2 months. Tyreke to the 2 and thornton as 6th man. IT can get around 15-20mins as well.
by CousinsEvansDUO on Feb 10, 2012 1:25 PM PST reply actions
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by andy sims on Feb 10, 2012 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Bold, bold prediction.
But I agree. I don’t think trading for a PG is necessary at the moment; I’d rather develop our young guards.
'Reke is finally showing that he's willing to play the PG position.
I don’t see any available PGs on the market who are an upgrade over our current starting 5, regardless of which player the new pick-up replaces. I’d say SF is the chief concern.
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by napg on Feb 10, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think Petrie is adverse to a pass first point guard
I really liked the rotational schedule last night that wasn’t the PW model of guesses in the dark or who I like right now. The second team was more energetic and fed off the crowd and brought the game back multiple times. I think a passing Reke mixed with Thornton, Jimmer, and then significant minutes of IT is enough of a PG. Reke will be undefendable once he develops a runner and jumpshot and passes regularly.
I like how Smart is working the flexibility of having combo guards in combination for different purposes. With IT it is more of a traditional PG and is strong and quick and willing to defend and Tyreke plays small forward. With Jimmer and Tyreke, Jimmer spreads the lanes so that Tyreke and even Salmons can exploit. Jimmer needs to get a better handle (he needs to watch some Jeremy Lin exploiting the pick and roll!) With the flexibility of Donte being able to guard 1-4, the Kings can go ultra small and quick (Salmons played some 4 last night). Thornton has shown more combo guard tendencies than under PW (I would like him to get less minutes and give some more to Jimmer and Donte.) I think Tyreke’s D and effort improvements, while inconsistent, have gone undernoticed. Tyreke can guard 1-3. Thornton is our worst perimeter defender and is most prone to giving up wide open looks.
The question of point guard is a question of whether Jimmer can become savvy enough to both guard and run the pick and roll, handle enough, defend enough, and be confident enough to warrant 20-30 minutes.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on Feb 10, 2012 1:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
sessions and calderon
Are the two guys who are probably the most available, but I worry about what we’d have to give up.
PG is a position Petrie has tried to address the last few years
We’ve been linked to trades involving Deron Williams, Tony Parker and Jeff Teague. Williams and Parker are stars obviously so of course you try to get them. I think the Teague for Thompson deal that was reported is more indicitive of Petire’s desire to get PG. This last draft also speaks to Petrie feeling we have a need a PG. Look at who we drafted: Jimmer and Thomas. Two guys who can play point. Not at an NBA level now but mayne can develop into that role.
I think they do a pretty decent job of playing point in the NBA.
So they are at an NBA level now.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
I guess I should have been more specific.
I should have said playing at a NBA starter level.
Ah, that definitely makes more sense then.
Thanks for clarifying. And you are right, they are not starter level…yet.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
I really hope one of them or both do.
That’ll make us a better team.
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I think Pass-First is kind of miss leading.
there are PG’s that don’t score on their own and so don’t create mismatches. They need players to get open on their own so that the PG can get them the ball in position to score.
There are PG’s that don’t think about anything but scoring and pass only when forced to and don’t take advantage of the mismatches that they create for others.
The true play-making PG needs to at least be a threat to score when he beats his man or penetrates the paint. But, he chooses to give up the ball even when he has a good shot if someone else has a better shot. We have this player right now in Jimmer. He’s already a better ball handler than Thornton and his defense isn’t any worse. He’s better with his left hand then Tyreke, and he a better shooter on the deep ball than any player on the team.
Jimmer had 4 assists in 16 mins. and should of had another one if JJ had the coordination required to clap his hands. Given starters minutes, which Jimmer will eventually get, he’ll be a 15pt & 8ast PG.
In Tyreke who is a scorer who’s learning to be a playmaker, and IT who’s closer to the Passer who can score some, I think the KIngs are set at the PG for now. In fact as Jimmer gets more experience with running the offense and if Tyreke can develop a consistent short to mid range jumper off the dribble, I think they would be capable of scoring 40 pts and 14 assists a game as a starting back-court.
I still think we need a starting PF, but at the very least we need someone like Hassan that can give us some weakside shot-blocking and defense along with rebounding off the bench. That would allow JT to continue to start at the PF. Add another starting SF and the teams is pretty well established until the Salary Cap problems force us to make changes.
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I like the path you are on here
I don’t think we need a PG per say, but a player who complements Evans & Cousins, who will continue to use the majority of the team’s possessions.
Ideally we could find another Doug Christie – who could defend, pass, dribble and shoot. However, I think another ball handler who can pass and shoot is probably ideal. Hopefully Jimmer and IT can fill the role, but I would be open to a low end vet too. Someone who could come in and settle the team down when they get into panic mode.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 10, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If they want a pass first PG in the draft...
they should keep an eye on Kendall Marshall of UNC. This kid seems to have the same knack as Rubio / Mark Jackson (not the most athletic or gifted shooter, but size/defense/crazy vision and iQ.) Mid-late first rounder.
last few games
I like that Smart is mixing and matching players and line ups, thought Thornton apart from the two big threes was a bit of a ball hog, but when Kimmer and IT were in the ball moved and they looked good on offense. Was nice to see Donte getting a few minutes, think he is a great energy/team guy its nice to see him doing well.
I think we need someone with a great mid-range game
Whenever the offense got stagnant last year Beno would give us that quick pull-up mid-range jumper. He could get that all day.
Tyreke is a slasher
MT23 is a slasher/3-point shooter
Salmons used to be a pretty good mid-range shooter but we can’t depend on him
JT used to shoot it well but is more of a rebounder/garbage man type player now
DMC is money
My point is I’m not sure we need a pass-first PG but more of a PG that can pass & score when needed. Also defend.
Tony Parker is a perfect fit but the Spurs will hold onto their core for as long as they are still in the playoff hunt. Does anyone know of a young available PG with Tony Parker like skills? Does DJ Augustine fit that mold? I don’t ever watch him play
by Allbenji on Feb 10, 2012 4:05 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Augustine would be the best ball handler and defender among our guards
but even tho Charlotte has Walker, I doubt that you could get DJ away from them. Walker struggled when Augustine was out.
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Augustine will also be quite expensive next year and eat up a lot of minutes
Considering the amount of money/minutes we already have invested in Evans/Thornton/Jimmer/IT, I’d not sure paying Augustine 9 mil per is the best way to go.
small forward
We’re set at the PG position, at least for now. What we need even more than that is a capable SF
by CousinsCuz on Feb 10, 2012 5:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think we need another guard who can play defense like Doug Christie.
Someone who can hit his shots (and be less streaky please), but definitely play lockdown D on perimeter.
If only Chuck could hit his shots and be quick enough to play 2 guard.
On a side note, if Jeremy Lin played for us the way he plays for NYK, would the world even know who he is? God damn big market bias is way out of control.
This.
The best recent example I can think of is Thorton last year
Came in scoring a ton and helped get some wins. Don’t recall anyone making a big deal about it.
Y-E-S
Perhaps our biggest need, even if the person is only a part time starter. My top, realistic targets at the minute would be Andre Miller (who, as a guy who lives in town, might not mind bench time if he gets to stay close to home), Kirk Hinrich, and Rodrigue Beaubois, though he is likely un-gettable. I know, not all are pass-first PGs, but I actually don’t think that’s what we need per se. In my opinion, the biggest need (besides a defensive, tooled SF) is for an experienced PG that is able to calm this team down on transitions and help take control of the tempo. Also, playoff experience could also help this team really listen to the guy and develop a cohesive flow. All those three would have it, and could add elements we are missing at the minute.
I don't see where a part time starter or bench player helps this team more than what we have now
Unless your going after a pure scoring PG. A PG still needs other players to get open so that he can pass to them. Unless he’s drawing a double team on every possession, he’s not going to have anyone open until the Kings learn to move without the ball, set screens and picks off the ball, and slash to the paint once they lose their man.
With 4 guys spread out standing in one place, a true playmaking PG would be another dribble dribble dribble guy waiting for the 24 sec clock to expire.
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by HighTops on Feb 10, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My Idea would be...
Trade Hickson/Garcia/other for a piece like above, then sign or acquire a SF, like a AK or other. That would leave PF as our other big “need” position, but we’ll see if JT can grow into the role. I would love a backcourt of Miller/Evans, with Thornton on the bench in the “Harden” role some have described before, but we’ll see. Potentially, a bench of JT, Thornton, Jimmer, IT, Hayes, and Outlaw could be great.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 10, 2012 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
You fooling your self if you think this team has talent worth trading for an upgrade at PG
Garcia can’t get PT on our team, so who is going to want him and his contract? Hickson has potential but he’s not going to bring much back in trade.
Unless your talking about Jimmer, JT or Thornton as players to trade, the only one of the 3 that I’d be willing to trade would be Thornton that that would only be for a starting PG, to fill in while Jimmer develops his game.
We don’t have anyone as good as JT to fill the starting PF role so why would be want to trade him and make that spot worse just to put a part time PG in the mix? And, Jimmer is one of only 3 top ten picks on the team and I’m not willing to give up on him after 25 games.
Work on improving the SF, the PG will take care of itself by the end of the year with Smart working his magic.
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by HighTops on Feb 11, 2012 1:26 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe we should trade for Jeremy Jin
joking of course but i’m finally getting watch him play
kid might be for real, off topic but i wanted to post about that somewhere, dont wanna join a knicks forum
The guy is from NorCal, we should be keeping an eye on him for the future.
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by RJinFairOaks on Feb 10, 2012 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
Probably too late.
NY Knicks have early bird rights. Guy will be a cash cow for NY and the league. I wonder if the Maloofs are asking Petrie about where Lin was on his radar.
Sounds like he wasn’t on it, since this is what Paul Westphal had to say about him:
He started the season with the Golden State Warriors, and I asked my friend Paul Westphal, still coaching the Kings at the start of the year, if he knew anything about Lin, saw something in him.
"The only person I know who thought he could play in the league was Pete Carril," Westphal said, referencing the legendary Princeton coach who went to work for the Kings after leaving Princeton. "And Pete thinks all Ivy League guys can make it in the league, whether they’re Asian-American or not."
Should note that Keith Smart talks all nice about Lin’s potential now, but wouldn’t play him over Acie Law, who is now out of the league. This talk plus Lacob basically blaming Smart is here in this Amick article: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/sam_amick/02/10/lin-warriors/index.html
I hope Smart realizes now that he shouldn’t lean on vets who aren’t really producing over the kids who show great potential and need time to show what they can do.
Isaiah Thomas
He is on our team. He plays great D, he hustles and his play is contagious. If he improves his jumper he will be a good PG. The biggest knock on him coming out of college was that he wouldn’t be able to guard PG’s because of his size, but from what I’ve seen he is way above average on D. He is our best defender IMO. He could easily be the next Ty Lawson if he improves his jumper.
Our team going forward needs a SF and someone to go next to DMC. The guard positions on this team are the least of our worries with Jimmer, Reke, IT, and Thorton.
by elSAVinator on Feb 10, 2012 8:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
+1
What the Kings need in order of importance (not counting a new arena ;))
1. A SF
2. An identity on offense and defense
3. Tyreke learning a mid range shot
4. DMC continuing to improve (like he already is)
5. A long term solution to go next to DMC
6. Thorton improving his dribbling and decision making
7. Jimmer or Isaiah taking the next step to being a solid pro
by elSAVinator on Feb 10, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
needs 1A. a half court offense.
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