Kings 84, Suns 98: Back to Earth
by Aykis16 on Feb 11, 2012 11:07 PM PST
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PrintAfter the emotional high of the win over the Thunder on Thursday, tonight's effort and performance was like one big hangover. The Phoenix Suns came in and played great team basketball on both ends of the court, and ended up being in control for all 48 minutes. Sacramento never once had the lead or even tied.
Phoenix had a very balanced attack. Former MVP Steve Nash wasn't a factor scoring wise with just 4 points, but he ran the pick and roll perfectly and ended up dishing out 15 assists in only 29 minutes, just one less than the entire Kings team managed. The Suns were led in scoring by Jared Dudley, who had 20 points, 10 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks. Marcin Gortat (15 points, 7 rebounds, 4 blocks), Channing Frye (17 points, 3-5 from three) and rookie Markieff Morris (18 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks) also chipped in with double figures. The Suns as a team shot exactly 50% from the field, the highest total for an opponent since Jan. 8th v. Orlando.
Sacramento shot a mere 35.1% from the field in comparison. DeMarcus Cousins (26 points, 9 rebounds) and Marcus Thornton (21 points, 2 steals, 2 assists, 2 rebounds) were the only players on the Kings that could get anything going offensively. Tyreke Evans had the 2nd worst shooting night of his career, going just 1-9 from the field for 4 points. Donté Greene was the third highest scorer for Sacramento with just 8 points.
The Suns had a very clear game plan on both ends of the court. On offense, they ran a series of pick and rolls and pick and pops, either resulting in an open jumper or someone wide open at the basket. On defense, they clogged the paint and pressured our ballhandlers. It was simple and effective. The Kings couldn't get any kind of run going offensively, and couldn't manage to string more than a couple stops together at a time.
There seemed to be a barrier at around the 8-9 point mark tonight that Sacramento couldn't get under. The team would cut the lead to 8 or 9 points, get a couple stops, and either miss their shots on the other end or turn it over, allowing Phoenix time to recover and regroup and hit their own shots.
It didn't help that Tyreke Evans was so off his game tonight. Grant Hill, savvy veteran that he is, did a phenomenal job of giving Tyreke enough space to entice him to shoot a jumper while slowing him down when he drove. Tyreke's shot looked awful all night long, and while he had 5 assists, he also had 5 turnovers.
Coach Keith Smart was desperate to try to find a lineup that could get something going, but no matter what combination he tried, something didn't work. The bigs aside from DeMarcus Cousins were a complete non-factor, disappointing considering Phoenix's lack of size aside from Gortat. The wings didn't contribute much either, with John Salmons scoring just 4 points, Francisco Garcia with 6 (and a few bonehead plays), and Donté with 8.
The backup guards also had disappointing nights. Jimmer Fredette had a few nice passes and finished with 2 assists, but his shot looked way off and he missed all 4 attempts. Isaiah Thomas shot just 2-9 from the field, and really tried to do too much at times with the dribble. Phoenix did a really good job of pressuring both Isaiah and Jimmer whenever they had the ball, including throwing double teams and traps at them, which they both had trouble dealing with.
The closest thing the Kings got to any momentum was in the 3rd quarter when Marcus Thornton hit back-to-back three pointers. Unfortunately, those were sandwiched in between three straight Marcin Gortat layups, as the Kings continued to get killed by the Pick and Roll.
The Kings looked spent tonight and did not play well. The Suns are better than their record, and have played particularly well on the road as of late. One thing that I have begun to notice is that the Kings have done a much better job this year when playing teams that have one or two main scoring threats that they can focus on, but can't seem to beat the teams with no clear cut go-to option, like the Suns.
The team will have a couple days to regroup as they begin a tough 6 game East Coast road trip, starting Valentine's Day in Chicago.
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If this gif is meant to show that the Kings looked spent - I agree.
Sure, they had some time off between OKC on Thursday and Phoenix on Saturday. I would even venture to say that Smart probably gave them a light work out one of those two days off, perhaps reviewing tape from the game. Despite the fact that both games were at home and the guys got to enjoy sleeping in their own beds, the OKC game was a very emotional one.
Kings won, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it took them at least one day to come down from the win. This is no excuse, because when a team makes the playoffs, it has to pace itself. Good things in one’s life like getting married (/ducks) can suck the energy right out of you.
This is a young team that will learn to pace themselves even when they are winning. Phoenix is an older veteran team, which has learned over time to conserve energy. They may have even been counting on the Kings still “recovering” from their victory.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
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35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Feb 11, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No the pai....
Thud
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Feb 11, 2012 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is medication to treat the obession with repeating numbers:)
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Somebody help me
I just woke up at the Arena, everybody’s gone, I am locked in, fell asleep in the 2nd quarter. Partial beers and popcorn will sustain me until help arrives. Please help, the next homw game isn’t for 2 weeks.
Cell phone coverage in here sucks.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Feb 11, 2012 11:12 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Hahahaha don't blame ya sleeping there
by 2001nbachampions on Feb 11, 2012 11:13 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Reaction to the game tonight . . .
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by Normdog on Feb 11, 2012 11:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
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by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Went to this one
Ugly, ugly game.
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by TheJust on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
It's been awhile
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
its hard to win when you shoot as bad as a jr.high team on a bad night
Tyreke I thought was really lazy tonight on d and Didn’t give too much effort fighting thru screens and sagging way off his man even more than usual. Every off season you hear how hard he’s been working on his shot .Yet there really hasn’t been any improvement at all. I really wonder how much time and effort he really puts in. Look at D.rose his shot was horrid and he has gotten consistently better every year.Tyreke would be a star type player with a jumper. Anyone can improve their shot,why hasn’t he ? That really scares me.
I wish we had a veteran point so bad,Tyreke isn’t a point at all so many bad plays or just flat not passing to the open man which sometimes I believe may have something to do with Thortons need to keep it on a 3-1 break and end up missing or turning it over.
The sf spot is maybe even worse no shooting at all.Salmons Is overrated at the 3 defensively and has been nothing short of absolutely inept on offense. I’d rather run 3 guards all day than keep playing him. Petrie really didn’t do much to help the roster every move was a step back for the team.Especially letting Dalembert,and Beno go I really wish we would of kept those 2 we would be a lot better.
I felt really let down tonight and am venting big time.Atleast we dumped that idiot Westphall and DMC is playing Luke a all star. I do wish he’d stick his big ass out more when going up for a layup I think it would help him not get swathed so much he has hella long arms too I know he isn’t a crazy jumper but neither is a lot of low post scores and they convert at a lot higher percentage. Seeing his huge improvement this year I bet he figures it out real quik. I also hope he can learn to set screens way better cause hr struggles with that.okay I’m done shitty game really terrible. Let’s pick up some road wins. Maybe we can make a trade for a point , good shooting sf.Go Kings !!
by WE NEED A DEFENSIVE MINDED CENTER on Feb 11, 2012 11:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Tyreke needs to jump on his shot
I mean REALLY jump, not a little hop that he seems to fall away on every time.
We see a lot of young athletes that come to us who have awful looking shots and the real fix is just making them jump, it forces you to use your follow through and also to stay on balance. If you look at Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook, two guys who have really improved their mid-range shots especially, you will see that they really get up on their shots. If Tyreke got up on his I would think that he would get more consistent with his.
As of now its just fugly.
I think his lack of lift can be attributed from his injury last year.
He may have developed some bad habits in that regard to overcompensate from the lack of explosiveness because of the plantarfasciitis. You could even make the argument that he fades away to create lift on his shot as a result of the lack of leg use his jumper has.
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by Wonderchild on Feb 13, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Definitely had the feeling this is the way it was going to go.
Emotional win over a good team followed by a lackluster effort against a lesser one. We just seem to have trouble with the Suns.
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I love coach Smart but
It seems like the only adjustments that were made were line-up adjustments. No real adjustments in strategy. I won’t get on him too much because I think he’s been great so far.
I love Tyreke. He’s my favorite player but he needs to work on his jump shot 24/7/365.
It drove me nuts that every single player did the same exact thing all night. Drive to the paint, get blocked, miss, or turn the ball over. Does anyone on this team understand the concept of “drive & kick”? Even when the did kick out the player getting the pass would drive right back in instead of just shooting the damn ball.
I like Chuck as a role player & JT has played well but how much better would we be with Dalembert? A lot better I think to be honest.
Jimmer can pass & shoot but his handles are terrible. Just terrible. Every time he dribbles the ball through traffic I literally cringe. Once he gets trapped he turns it over or takes a bad shot. It doesn’t even seem like he can create his own shot. I didn’t watch him at all in college but watching him in the NBA I don’t understand what all the hype was about. Even when he’s shot & passed well he hasn’t looked overly impressive doing it. I hope he gets better because I’m not a person who would rather be right over everything else. In other words I hope he proves me wrong.
by Allbenji on Feb 12, 2012 1:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
One concern I have with Smart is that there does not seem to be ANY offensive strategy — hell, I don’t know if they even run actual “plays,” except perhaps on the inbounds pass. I do know of one other play: At the end of a quarter, they inbounds the ball to Evans, who then dribbles dribbles dribbles for about 20 seconds, then crashes towards the basket and throws up a fade away jumper from 15 feet into a crowd of 3 defenders. Brilliant.
by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
The less said about this game the better
Every King who took the floor did something stupid that made me punch myself, and any positive thing they did was matched by a boneheaded mistake or uncontested Phoenix basket. Good riddance.
by lead_pipe on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions
It was the opposite of the OKC game
where everyone did something to contribute to the win. This time, everybody contributed to the loss.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 12, 2012 9:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Horrifying and unexpected abomination
by Skeptical Dawg on Feb 12, 2012 3:15 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
Watched the first half
Seemed like we were down by 8-10 points immediately. Pretty big letdown after Thursday’s game but let’s shake it off and give the Bulls a tough game. I still see the arrow pointing up on this team.
I know it’s still early but Jimmer looks….unqualified for the NBA game. He definitely has to improve his defense, but I think the issue is athleticism, and that can’t really be improved upon. We drafted a 4 year player in the hopes that he’d be more NBA-ready than a younger player and he’s just not there. I say give him 8-10 minutes a game and tell him to work on his 2-man game and defense over the summer in hopes that he can be a scorer and playmaker off the bench for us next season.
I continue to be generally impressed with Isaiah’s play. Who knew our last draft pick would be the biggest immediate contributor?
Yeah this was probably one of Isaiah’s worst games.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Because i said "generally impressed"
Not referring to that specific game, but season-to-date. Have you been more impressed with Jimmer than Isaiah this season, especially compared to expectations?
I see what you mean
And yeah, I think when you zoom out to the whole season it’s safe to say that IT has exceeded even some of the most optimistic projections while Jimmer hasn’t had the immediate impact some people thought he would have (I stress some people because there were several people here, myself included, stressing patience).
But in this game in particular, I think Jimmer certainly exceeded expectations on the point guard end of things and IT disappointed. I don’t think many people expected Jimmer to be such a good and willing passer, whereas IT really forced things and didn’t let the game come to him.
I really wish people would calm down and take a deep breath when it comes to Jimmer. There is always an adjustment for rookies coming into the league and this season even moreso with no summer league, no training camp, a compressed schedule, and now extremely inconsistent playing time. He’s already made good strides adjusting to the size and speed of the NBA. I really think he’s going to be fine, he just needs playing time and patience.
by nbrans on Feb 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His passing is fine
But what about his terrible handles? Isn’t that something by the time you get to the NBA you either have it or you don’t?
I cringe whenever he dribbles through traffic or even when he has a good defender on him he looks extemely shaky.
by Allbenji on Feb 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's more that he's not used to how quick NBA defenders are
Dribbling through double-teams in the NBA is not even close to the same thing as college and yeah, he puts the ball in places where it can get poked away.
All the struggles I’ve seen from Jimmer so far have mainly to do with the fact that he just isn’t used to the size and athleticism of the NBA and he will have an adjustment period. Already he looks a lot more comfortable scoring close to the hoop and I think he’s quick enough that he’s not going to be a bust. He’s just going to have to continue to adjust.
Some of it has to be do to the excessive amount of double teams he sees.
Other teams aren’t afraid of our bigs on the pick and pop, especially Hayes and JJ. If either comes out to set a screen, the defense ignores them and doubles Jimmer.
Jimmer doesn’t handle the double all that well, so he’s not helping himself. He doesn ‘t cut hard off the screen, so the defense doesn’t have to go under the screen. And, he just seems to dribble off instead of passing out of the screen as soon as he sees it forming.
Maybe if they ran it more with Cuz or even Donte, we’d at least have the threat of the big rolling or capable of hitting the pop.
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by HighTops on Feb 12, 2012 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
100% agree
seems like the one thing from day 1 that keeps popping up
by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
You make good points about the lack of training camp and the natural adjustment period
I’m probably too eager to call Jimmer a bust given that he was pretty low on my draft board at our slot. I’d rather we picked Biyombo, Knight, Walker, or Leonard. I see his relatively poor athleticism as an issue for him his entire career, regardless if he can improve enough in other areas to become the player some think he can be.
He had that little hot streak a while back and he’s definitely shown flashes of being an effective scorer and floor spacer, especially if we can get enough ball movement and screen-setting to get him open shots. I have no doubt that he’ll be a plus shooter at minimum.
At the end of the day it's important to go back to the numbers
No matter how “scary” it feels when Jimmer drives, if he’s not turning the ball over an insane amount and his shooting percentage isn’t horrible then it’s probably not as bad as it looks. I understand the fear, sure. It may look ugly, sure. But the numbers speak for themselves over the long-run. IT and Jimmer are easy to compare because they’re both guards, rookies, and have played similar minutes. I did some hunting and made the following list.
I used a multiplication factor of 1.214 on all IT’s stats so his minutes would equal Jimmer’s. This way we can look at how different/same they’ve performed. I’ll put his actual numbers in parenthesis.
Jimmer:
538 mins
206 points
197 shots taken
51 assists
35 turn-overs
16 steals
31 rebounds
IT
538 mins (443 actual)
217 points (179 actual)
192 shots taken (158 actual)
73 assists (60 actual)
38 turn-overs (31 actual)
17 steals (14 actual)
59 rebounds (49 actual)
What was extra surprising to me was that they’re actually playing fairly equivalent when it comes to turning the ball over and steals. For someone who is praised for their defense vs. someone who is heavily criticized for theirs, you’d expect these two stats to look different. Of course, that doesn’t come near to telling the whole story.
I think the point of everything we’ve seen between Jimmer and a player like IT is not so much that Jimmer has been so overly terrible, but that IT has been so outstanding. It’s very easy to say “Jimmer is being out-performed by the 60th pick so he must suck.” I think it’s more realistic to say “holy shit, IT is playing like a top 15-20 pick.” No one expected IT to get this much playing time or play this well. I know he and Jimmer compete for playing time to a degree, so it’s unfortunate that we’re semi-forced to compare them. But I think Jimmer has met reasonable people’s expectations, not including the Jimmer jocks or Jimmer cocks (the anti-Jimmers). The real story, however, is Isiah Thomas.
The comparison by numbers does support what people have been observing...
IT’s numbers are better than Jimmer’s, most notably assists and rebounds. Shooting is about the same. This is very significant, especially since we are looking for a playmaker. IT is finding his man more than Jimmer and IT is getting more rebounds giving us more possessions.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Don't get overly fixated by the numbers
Tyreke’s assist number for example. Tyreke gets 2.1 of his 5.1 assists in the paint. He gets 1.9 of his 5.1 out beyond the arc. That’s 37% of his assists from 3pt shots.
So, who is on the floor with Tyreke when he’s dishing out his assists. Jimmer the leading 3pt shooter at 38%, Thornton the 2nd best at 35.5%, and Thomas the 3rd best at 33.3%. But, what about those three when they are playing along with Tyreke who is 6th best at 23%.
So how much better would IT and Jimmers assist numbers be if they were in the same back court with a better outside shooter than Tyreke. Or how much better would their numbers be if that were playing with Cuz and JT in the paint instead of Hayes and JJ.
Numbers are not proof, they are only an indication, that may or may not need to be investigated further.
JR did a tellistrator of an example of players not staying with the shooters in the Suns game. the suns used JJ’s man to set a pick on Jimmer to free Telfair. It was obvious that Telfair was going to his left. But instead of going to Telfair’s left to give Jimmer help, JJ went below the screen toward Telfairs right.
Telfair went left, Jimmer got screen, no one was there to pick up Telfair so he curled to the FT Line for an open jumper. Thornton from the other side of the court left his man to try to help Jimmer who was screened out. As Jimmer and Thornton closed in Telfair kicked the ball out to the man that Thornton was guarding who hit the open 3.
Now Jerry was right about not leaving the open shooter, but Telfair was in position to take a higher percentage shot, and even tho his man made the 3, it was the correct thing to do, in leaving an open tough shot (33%) to stop an easier open shot.
And, statiscally, Thornton would have been hit with a poor defensive stat for leaving his man open. But in reality it was JJ’s poor decision not to help Jimmer , and it was the right choice for Marcus to help.
Stats are great for quickly identifying trends, but they’re not the final answer. You still have to investigate to find out why.
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by HighTops on Feb 13, 2012 1:58 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Great post, but...
Even if you don’t give a damn about the numbers, IT has looked a lot better then Jimmer has period. Thats a good and an awful thing.
See that's subjective
IT is definitely more aggressive on both ends of the floor, and is one of the top 3 on the team in getting back and defending the basket.
But, I think a case can be made that Jimmer doesn’t dribble into trouble as much, has better court vision, is a better shooter and is a better passer.
I think given more minutes running a true half-court offense, which the Kings don’t have, Jimmer would be the better player to start. But, with the current half-court offense, or lack there of, Tyreke then IT would be my top two choices.
But, if I were looking at the long term development of the team, and didn’t care about the win/loss record. I’d start Jimmer at PG and Tyreke at SG, and bring Thornton off the bench.
If you consider how many games we start out in a hole by the end of the 1st quarter, I just can’t see how anyone could think that Tyreke and Thornton make a good backcourt.
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This is a fantastic post on its own merit. Rec'd
Just to defend my point for a moment; I did say that the stats supported what many of us are seeing on the floor, that IT appears to be outplaying Jimmer. In your parlance, that would be identifying a trend.
But you make a a great point that the numbers give an indication, which needs to be analyzed further to understand what it all means.
You did a great job of giving some examples: such as identifying where a player gets his assists numbers and who is on the floor when a player is dishing them out.
Agree with your conclusion that the stats are great for identifying trends and I see your point that you have to investigate to find out why.
Perhaps you might find the time to do this investigation of what these stats mean as to how they pertain to Jimmer and IT. Break it down for us in a post. Basketball analysis is your forte.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Any analysis that I would make would be from my prospective
As you said
I did say that the stats supported what many of us are seeing on the floor, that IT appears to be outplaying Jimmer.
That the analysis you came up with from your prospective.
And, what we’re seeing on the court is based on the Coaching Staffs perspective.
I can only repeat what I said above. Given the state of the Kings present half-court offense, IT probably is better than JImmer right now. But, who wants us to be playing like this in the future. So, we can sit Jimmer on the sideline until Smart is able to input a NBA style half-court offense, or start Jimmer and allow the starters to all learn and develop together.
As many times as we’ve started out in a hole after the 1st quarter, I think it’s safe to say that the back-court of Tyreke & Thornton doesn’t work. No PG is worse than an inexperienced one.
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I would not expect anything less from you, HT. You have integrity.
I would trust that you wouldn’t try to have the numbers fit any preconceived idea you may have between Jimmer and IT.
I trust that you would look at the facts and let the chips fall where they may, allowing for any surprises.
I think you want truth. I believe your analysis would be an attempt to understand and clarify what the numbers mean and would be very interesting and meaningful.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
That's very flattering, but the numbers are so close that I'd probably have to take it to the play by play level
Both offensively and defensively, I might get some arguments on the offensive level but certainly, IT wins on the defensive level.
Let’s just say at running the offense they are very close. Adjusted for mpg, IT gets a 1.2 assist advantage on 3pt assists, so I’d have to go back to all the game films and examine which of the two had the advantage of having better 3pt shooters on the floor with him. And, in the end it’s probably just going to come down to who got lucky on any given play.
Everywhere else their stats are even. If you look at NBA.coms rookie stats in PTS/REBS/ASTS, they are actually exactly the same at 288 pts each. Ranking them 13th & 14th.
The top PG’s in the league get a large percentage of their assists in the paint and particularly at the rim. I’ve made this point before that Tyreke gets his greatest number of assists from beyond the arc. The answer by the Evans defenders was always that we had poor post players which hurt Evans numbers.
Well if you look at the number of post assists between the 3 guards adjusted for starters minutes, Tyreke is still very low at 2.3 asts inside 9ft and 2.0 from 3pt range, IT averages 3 asts in the paint and 1.9 from 3, and Jimmer averages 2.8 assists in the paint and 0.7 asts from 3. Tyreke has 41% of his total assists in the paint, IT has 56%, and Jimmer has 72% of his assists in the Paint.
I weight assists that give other players easy baskets at the rim with a higher value than kicking out to someone standing beyond the arc. Because the 3pt shot is a low percentage shot. So, to me since teams are crowding the paint, I like Jimmers numbers better where someone else is going to see it differently.
So, there is no way of proving one is better, since everyone puts different importance on various parts of the game. Which is why so many disagreements go on and on with no answer.
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By your argument,
Jimmer wins at his assists within the paint, if defense is not considered.
If defense is considered, IT has an edge and in terms of total number of assists as to 3-point shooting. As you remind, 3-point shots are a lower percentage shot and as a whole our 3-point shooting hasn’t been all that consistent.
You give the edge to Jimmer, although I would still give the edge to IT.
From the coach’s point-of-view, Smart could choose one guy over the other, depending who else is on the floor.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
Great Post
While stats can be usefull, they don’t tell the whole story.
by SharkKings49 on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
It was fun watching a team that knows how to shoot a basketball,
Run the pick and roll, pass the ball, and play defense. Unfortunately, it wasn’t our team.
another one I used to love was Jaws
the one where you are always scuba diving with spears and you can get the submarine if you do well enough. And at the very end you have to spear Jaws with the front part of your boat three times.
Yeah, spent waaaaaaaay too much time on that as a kid.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
sorry
another one of the “nobody talks about but was kind of fun” games
by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
This is so funny!
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
It's amazing how much patience the suns have with the pick and roll.
They just keep working it until they can get the shot or the mismatch they want. Nash is amazing, really going to miss that guy when he’s gone.
That game was SO BAD, I think I'll call Grant on Monday an cry to him so he will give me his
tickets to the next home game and meet me in the tunnel and take me in the locker room to meet the team. He will do that, you know. But then you have to call the show and thank him profusely for his uncommon and undeniable generosity.
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Cut down to size?
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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What it feels like on the Kings bandwagon sometimes...
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
I'm such a noob with gifs... hope this works.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
THIS is what it feels like on the Kings bandwagon sometimes...
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOOO!!!!! haha... alright guys, show me the way.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
LOL! How did you know the exact gif I was trying to post?!
So, I’ve tried 3 gifs and failed. Not sure I want to humiliate myself anymore….
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
yeah?! Take THAT!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
BOOM baby!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like a proud dad watching his only son that made it.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take it from here daddy! lol
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
I took a guess based on the website and the comment you made :)
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Get outta my head!
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Feb 12, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 10 recs
LMAO
completely irrelevant in every way but … well yeah that’s just funny
by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
lol! I know, but let's try to make this relevant shall we?!
Since the draft, the media has been focusing on Jimmer (David Robinson) and with decreasing playing time has been left to sit on the bench chewing gum and acting interested. Meanwhile, IT (Narcissistic old woman) has risen to take the spotlight and playing minutes from Jimmer due to his excellent play and being a leader on the court. Suffice?! :)
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
We need a competant SF. Doesnt even have to be a stud, just competant.
Only because it will keep guys like Grant Hill, Jared Dudley, Gerald Wallace, Rudy Gay, Nic Batum, Shane Battier, etc from being able to guard Tyreke all night every night. When those guys guard him, they are too long for him to drive around, especially when they lay off him to force Tyreke into jumpers.
It worked in our win against Portland because Salmons had a good game, and forced Wallace to guard Salmons for a bit.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
by Wonderchild on Feb 12, 2012 11:32 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
nah make Reke a SF and make those guys guard him
by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
I see what you did there...
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
I'm mad at myself for reading too much into the resent win streak and the OKC game
There is a reason why the Kings have the worst eFG% in the NBA.
Yes, with Nash and Telfair handing out 11 assists in the paint, the Sun shoot 20 of 25 inside 9ft for a 80% fg%. Which totally took away our advantage in the paint where we were 16 of 40 for 40% on 10 assists. Our offense wasn’t helped by the 11 blocks either.
We got to the FT line for an 10pt advantage, and in spite of our frequent mistakes in leaving their 3pt shooters open for no apparent reason (Marcus) we shot a better 3pt%. We did every thing we needed to do to win this game. We dominated the offensive boards and had fewer turnovers, and ended up with 7 more possessions.
If we had any kind of half-court offensive scheme, we’re in this game and probably win it. 35% from the field when were shooting 38% from 3pt range is unfathomable.
Coach Smart was right in stressing the importance of running and defending the fast break with this team, because basically that’s our strongest offensive weapon. In the half court game if Tyreke isn’t scoring he doesn’t make this team better. There is a correlation between our being last in percentage of Assists and last in eFG%, and if Tyreke can’t create easy baskets for his teammates (and I’m not talking about kick out 3pters) when he’s not scoring then he shouldn’t be running the offense.
Is he the only problem with the half-court offense, NO. But he isn’t the answer either. What is the answer? Setting picks to get players open off the ball, learning to run an effective pick & roll/pick & pop, learning to get the ball into our bigs in the paint so that they can just shot and don’t have to dribble the ball, would all be good for starters. But, none of that is going to happen anytime soon.
I don’t know if the answer exists on this team. I think GP believed it to be Jimmer or he would have drafted Kawhi or Knight. In the end, unless we make a move at the trade deadline, we’ll have to live with Tyreke while our team learns to play a half court game. Or put the ball in Jimmers hands and let the team and Jimmer learn together. And, I think we all know that the last part probably isn’t going to happen as long as Smart’s future as head coach is based on his win percentage.
In the end, I won’t allow my self to get swept away in the excitement until this teams starts to play an actual NBA half-court offense. And, no game is a game in which the Kings should be favored. The rest of the league including the Washingtons and Charlottes should be looking at how the Suns defended the paint and know that if they do the same they will have a good chance of winning.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
yeah I don't think this team is going to be anything more than a running and crashing the boards type team this year
they just aren’t ready to do much more than that
I am really curious what Jimmer can do in the offseason to work on his handle with the double team and working on pick and roll type of situations.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
He already has a better left hand than Tyreke
and at least some of the problems with the double teams lies with the players setting the screens. Most guards use screens to beat the defender, but if the screener doesn’t need to be defended or doesn’t get good position so that Jimmer can cut close and lose his man, it’s all for not.
And, it’s not just Jimmer. Teams are doubling all of our guards when they have the chance because the screener isn’t a threat to roll or hit an open pop. We’re lucky if they move to a position where the guard has a passing lane out of the double team.
The East is known more for it’s defense, so I can’t imagine that all the teams on this road trip haven’t seen how the Twolves and Suns shut us down. This could end up being some horrible basketball over the next 6 games.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
oh sorry wasn't trying to say it's just Jimmer if that's what it came off as
by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't take it that way,
I only wanted to point out the good parts of JImmers game. And, that he’s not dribbling into the double teams like IT and Tyreke, but that when he uses a screen or any of our guards us a screen, the ball gets doubled.
The only reason that we don’t see it as much with Tyreke is that he doesn’t know how to use a screen so he doesn’t.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
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