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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: 2011-12 Week 7

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The Kings went 2-2 this week, and criticisms aside, that's a more than solid week for our Kings, especially considering the victory over the best team in the West.

Star-divide

The Good:

1. Kings. Thunder. VICTORY.

This night was just amazing. I'm just going to link to my recap of the night because I'd just be repeating myself.

2. DeMarcus Cousins

See Player of the Week

3. Isaiah Thomas Led Comeback in New Orleans

17 points, 5 rebounds, and 6 assists in 26 minutes off the bench for Isaiah. The team had gotten off to a rough start in New Orleans, and Isaiah was able to come in and bring the energy boost they needed to come back and win. To top it all off, he hits the 30 foot dagger late in the game to seal the deal.

4. .Marcus Thornton Rediscovers His Shooting Stroke From Deep

Since sustaining the thigh injury, Marcus was not shooting the ball particularly well from the field. That carried a bit in the game against New Orleans as well, as he shot just 3-12 from the field. However, he did hit a big three pointer late, and since then, has been on the mark. He was 12 of 26 from three this week, or 46.2%. The Kings just need him to remain consistent as a shooter and a scorer if they hope to have further success.

5. Jimmer's Playmaking Skills

Jimmer seems to be putting an emphasis on playing the role of Point Guard lately, and has done a very good job of finding the open man as of late, particularly right at the rim. He does have problems when team's pressure him though, and the Kings will have to do a better job of setting good screens for him, while Jimmer will have to do a better job of anticipating double teams and not trying to do too much. It's a learning process for the rookie.

6. Donté Greene's Defense

Donté has played his way back into the rotation, taking Travis Outlaw's spot. He's done so thanks to his defense. He's often asked to guard the opposing team's best wing player, and this week he faced two extremely prolific scorers in Kevin Durant and Michael Beasley. Beasley scored 17 points, but needed 21 shots to do it. Durant can't be stopped, and he got his 27 points, but he had to work for each one of them, and he also had 4 turnovers. Donté's also been much more patient on offense.

The Bad:

1. Missed Opportunity in Minnesota

Sacramento came into this game with a three game win streak, looking to make it 4 in a row. The Timberwolves were without star Kevin Love, leaving the game ripe for the taking. A terrible start to the game and a 15 point deficit after the first quarter proved to be Sacramento's downfall though. They outplayed Minnesota the rest of the game, but Donté Greene's three at the buzzer rimmed out to give the Timberwolves the 2 point win.

2. Tyreke Evans Shooting and Playmaking

After several weeks of showcasing a marked improvement running the offense, Tyreke seemed to take a couple steps back this week. He had no game with more than 5 assists, and he also suffered turnover problems. More troubling than turnovers were possessions where he would revert to isolation, using up most of the shot clock before launching a jumper that would badly miss. Tyreke's shot has looked better at times this year, but this week it was just awful. I wonder if part of this is fatigue from how many minutes he's been playing. I hope this is just a minor speedbump in his growth as a player though.

3. Francisco Garcia's Continued Bonehead Mistakes

Cisco is supposed to be the leader a lot of these young guys look up to, but every time he comes into the game he'll make one or two mistakes that would be bad for a rookie. It's infuriating. These were especially evident against Phoenix, the only time he saw meaningful playing time this week.

4. John Salmons Regresses on Offense

John had a good week there and hit some big shots against New Orleans as well. But in the past three games, he's gone back to being a complete non-factor on the offensive end of the ball, scoring a combined 11 points in those games.

5. Jason Thompson Struggles After Early Foul Trouble

JT only had one really good game this week, and that came against the Thunder. In the other three games, he got into foul trouble early, and that seemed to take him out of his game, and he didn't end up being much of a factor in any of those games. We need consistency from JT if he's going to be starting.

6. Chuck Hayes Offense (Aside from Oklahoma City)

I can't really be too hard on Chuck Hayes. The man is playing hurt, and he hasn't had the same amount of time as the rest of these guys to get into game shape. That being said, he has looked awful on offense when he's been in the game, aside from a good stint against the Thunder where he made a few layups. His timing is off, and he hasn't had much luck around the basket. It kind of reminds me of DeMarcus early in the season when seemingly everything he threw up rattled in and out. Now Chuck isn't in the game for his offense, but it'd also be nice if he wasn't a complete zero on that end.

The Ugly:

1. Failure to Compete at Home Against the Suns

It might not technically have been a blowout, but it sure as hell felt like it. Sacramento trailed the entire way, and never really made a serious run. Nobody aside from DeMarcus and Marcus could get any semblance of an offensive game going, and Tyreke Evans was just awful, shooting 1-9, with the only performance in his career being worse occurring just 4 games into his rookie season.

2. TNT Announcers Arena Goof and Subsequent Outrage

I've relayed my thoughts on this matter already, but wallywagon11 sums up my point of view in this comment:

What cracks me up to no end

is that locally the story here in Sacramento should have been the win against one of the very best teams in the league and the great crowd that showed up and how we saw some of the glory days and even had one of Our Guys in the house for the special game. Nothing Webber screwed up on the arena stuff changes any of that, heck even nationally it doesn't.

Unfortunately there are too many hours in the day on the local radio. Let's dedicate hours of programming on "Webber's the reason Michigan couldn't win" and "Hey let's list all of his errors on TV" and "Hey let's turn this from an error into something entirely personal and embarrass the guy!" And this is a great idea when the guy is actually in town to turn a mistake into an all day personal attack. Super idea. And then Webber gets on the air and he and Grant fight. And instead of putting the fire out and moving on, Grant goes the "Hey let's get callers in a lather and have them rant on and on about how much of an idiot and failure Chris Webber is and just overall kill the guy" route. Super job.

So congrats on calling out and embarrassing someone who busted his ass for the Kings franchise. Hey, it brings in the ratings right?

by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2012 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 12 recs

I understand why others may not agree with this point of view, and still feel outraged. But in the end, it won't matter what anyone else thinks. We're either going to clear the major arena hurdles this month on Feb. 14th and Feb. 28th, or we won't. What C-Webb, Reggie and Kevin Harlan said will have absolutely no effect on that. Attending those city council meetings and showing your support might.

3. J.J. Hickson's inability to Catch a Basketball

Seriously, this is bordering on Mikki Moore territory right now. Hickson has fumbled so many passes this year, none more egregious than one from DeMarcus at the end of the Timberwolves game that would have set him up for the tying layup or dunk and an almost assured overtime.

4. City Council Vote Closer Than Expected

The vote last Tuesday on Sandy Sheedy's proposal to send the Parking Funds to the June Ballot was expected by most to fail in a 7-2 vote, with only Sheedy and Darrell Fong voting for it, as they have been against the new arena from the beginning. It ended up being a 5-4 vote, with Kevin McCarty and Bonnie Pannell also voting for a vote. McCarty wasn't as big of a surprise as Pannell, who rambled nonsensically when it came time for her to speak. The vote was too close for comfort, as a successful vote would have essentially killed the arena deal in its tracks. I cannot emphasize enough how important the City Council meetings on Feb. 14th and Feb. 28th will be. If you can make it, be there and show your support.

5. Seattle Speculation

Another overblown story by the Sacramento media. Yes, Seattle wants an NBA team again. But that's not going to play any factor whatsoever in whether the Kings stay or not. The Kings will stay if they get a new arena. They will leave if they don't. It's as simple as that.

Player of the Week:

DeMarcus Cousins

20.8 PPG, .426 FG%, 12 RPG, 1 BLK, 1 STL

There just aren't enough good things we can continue to say about DeMarcus Cousins. He is blossoming before our eyes, all as a 21 year old, 2nd year player playing the most physical position in the NBA. There was only one game this week where he got taken out of his groove, in Minnesota, a night after he had played 38 minutes in New Orleans. He looked tired against the Wolves, yet still managed a double-double. It's clear that the team plays much better when he's got it going, and he's had it going more often than not the last couple of weeks. The best part about DeMarcus' growth this year is that he is nowhere near his ceiling yet. He's still got a long way to go.

Image / GIF of the Week:

We may have to consider just naming this the "BurningFeathers Image of the Week"

and Beast Mode

by BurningFeathers on Feb 9, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 35 recs

Comment of the Week:

ElRonToro's letter to City Council was amazing. If you haven't sent one in yet, the instructions and e-mail addresses are in this post.

This was mine

Truth in advertising. I am a King's fan. Season ticket holder for 24 years. My son attended Mitch Richmond, Derrick Dickey, Vinnie Del Negro and many other King's summer basketball camps. He learned a lot about the game and some about life. He had attended the Dickey camp at about age 8. About 6 months later he saw Derrick on the floor after a game. He asked if he could speak to him. I said he doesn't want to be bothered. He said Derrick had stated they could come up to him to talk anytime, so I said OK. As I watched the conversation extend to 5 minutes I walked down to make sure things were ok. I found Derrick talking him about hoop and the importance of education and to watch out for the kids who may try to lead you away from your goals. My son is now 25 and remembers the camps and the departed Dickey fondly. He is now well educated but unfortunately genetically challenged for the NBA.

All that said, I won't bore you with how the jobs and revenue will help the Sacramento Community and help diversify our jobs market from state related jobs.

I will say that the King's charity work is irreplaceable. I won't remind you that you have all agreed that the current parking revenue stream will be replaced (say a 4 or 5 $ a ticket surcharge?) so that is a non-issue. I will remind you that the tourism head said a few years ago that the King's directly influenced 3 or 4 million dollars a year being spent in Sac. I will also remind you that the chief of police wants the jobs it will provide for our city.

My point is, that even with all the Disney on Ice events and all the concerts I have gone to with my daughter, I still think the primary thought should be "does this project pencil out and will it be good for the city". From everything I have read, heard and surmised, this project goes beyond pencilling out; It could change the dynamics of the city forever.

You people are in control of the future of Sacramento. This is a time to forget politics, forget how will your vote affect your chances of being re-elected, and do what's best for the city. Let Sacramento have the greatness it deserves. To stumble or fail here could adversely affect the next 50 years . I want to , in 20 years, walk with my kids, and their kids, through the streets of the Railyard and tell them that I remember when this booming bustling heart of sacramento was just a pile of toxic dirt.

As a side point, I was reading a Sac Bee circa 1955 + or - and it was discussing all the possibilities of the railyard. Seriously. I am 61 and the city has spent my entire life trying to figure out what to do. End the discussion, vote for greatness, and you will forever be known as the city council that ushered in the great new era of Sacramento.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 10, 2012 3:25 PM PST reply actions 20 recs

FanPost of the Week:

A Story Within the Enemy Camp by Schneezel

Highlight of the Week:

The entire win against the Thunder was the best, but the best individual highlight has to be this shot to cap off a huge 4th quarter for Isaiah Thomas in New Orleans.

Caption Contest:

Link to Last Week's Picture

Last Week's Winner: Crocoduck

Marcus Thorton: "OMG Ref, you actually got an erection watching us play!"

Ref: "LOOK AWAY!"

Last Week's Runner-Up: TheLokey1

Marcus Thornton becomes the first player in NBA history to be ejected for his terrible mustache

This Week's Picture:

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A reminder of the rules for the Caption Contest. Leave your caption in the comments below, and the most rec'd (to recommend a comment, hit action, then rec) caption wins.

This week's caption contest winner gets an Isaiah Thomas brand Ice-Maker.

Question of the Week:

Are you going to the City Council meeting this Tuesday, February 14th? I understand it's Valentine's Day. There will be another meeting on February 28th, which will probably be even more crucial. If you can't make it this Tuesday due to Valentine's Day commitments, try to make it out to the 28th. We need to continue to show our support and keep fighting until the new arena becomes a reality.

And Nostradumbass Prediction for Next Week:

@ Chicago 2/14 L (This is one of those games where I'll be happy just to see us compete. As such, I'm fearing the worst.)

@ New York 2/15 L (Now this is a winnable game, in an arena that the Kings have played fairly well in the last few years. But New York is playing much better, and may be back to full strength when this game is played. I see it being a close one, but with the Knicks edging us out.)

@ Detroit 2/17 W (Detroit is in a similar situation to the Kings, although they have better veterans in guys like Rodney Stuckey, Ben Gordon, and Tayshaun Prince. Still, they've been routinely terrible this year, and the Kings will be hungry to avoid another big losing streak.)

Nostradumbass Record for the Season: 17-10

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by rpmonkey on Feb 12, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

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Shannon Frye attempts a rare in-game Mormon mind-meld.

I like your Jimmer very much. I do not like your JimmerJihadis™. - Ghandi Sims

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Feb 12, 2012 7:48 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Caption.........that will probably get banned

mmmmmmmmmm lets show this white boy what getting Jimmered means in the hood

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Feb 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

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Frye: Ronnie wants you teach him how to Jimmer.
Ronnie: Yeah, how do I look?
Jimmer: No worries man, you got some action going on there.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

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Frye: I’m going to take his face… Off…
Price: sure. That’s what I’m doing too. Not the other thing. No sir.

by Rickyflip on Feb 12, 2012 8:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Screw channing frye

That lucky kid kept hitting so many 3 pointers and somehow he had the ordasity to put his hands on jimmers face? I don’t even remember if he got fouled for that, but he better of gotten a fragrant call for that..look at morris come and join in on the extracurricular activities.

by CousinsEvansDUO on Feb 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

Clone D'essence de le Wild Turkey aka Fragrant Fowl

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 12, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They called the timeout the Kings called

That was when Jimmer was trapped in the corner and the Kings were forced to call a timeout

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 12, 2012 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

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Frye: “Oh hurry up Ronnie and get over here! Andrine Maloof’s boob just popped out and we need to protect Jimmer from this sort of stuff. Cover his eyes!”

by Crocoduck on Feb 12, 2012 9:11 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

oh god

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Feb 12, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

But instead of Quaid

It’s moaning for attention.

by Caljin on Feb 12, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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Jimmer: Golly Gee guys, what are you doing?

Frye: Squeal like a pig boy

Price: You got a pretty mouth

by tonyfrmnatomas on Feb 12, 2012 9:12 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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What are you doing to his side? This is how we “Doubting Thomas” in 2012.

by lead_pipe on Feb 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

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Obligatory “face palm” for how the Kings played Saturday night.

by adamsite on Feb 12, 2012 9:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Caption:

Frye: "Hey Jimmer, this is how I “rise the hot hand!”

Price: “Don’t look Jimmer, his shot is wet.”

Jimmer: “Gee fellas, I don’t like the religious undertones to your comments. I’ll just close my eyes to see no evil before I make this ill-advised jump pass.”

by adamsite on Feb 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Not true
Seriously, this is bordering on Mikki Moore territory right now. Hickson has fumbled so many passes this year, none more egregious than one from DeMarcus at the end of the Timberwolves game that would have set him up for the tying layup or dunk and an almost assured overtime.

JJ Hickson has sucked at catching the ball, I agree, but I watched that last play 3 times and JJ Hickson cannot be blamed. DeMarcus was 3 feet away after his spin move. When he couldn’t get a shot, he ricocheted the ball off JJ’s chest. JJ hands were ready to catch around his waist. A shuffle pass should be made at waist level, not chest level. The pass was so forceful, it made its way all the way to Donte at the ‘3’ line.

When you are in that close of proximity to a player, the pass has to be softer and in a place he can catch. That pass obviously wasn’t. JJ Hickson deserves criticism for his play, not invalid criticism.

And this is going to open a can of worms, but Jason Thompson doesn’t really control how well he plays. He rebounds in his area and scores opportunistic buckets. His hustle plays are nominal. Thats all there is to say.

JT only had one really good game this week, and that came against the Thunder. In the other three games, he got into foul trouble early, and that seemed to take him out of his game, and he didn’t end up being much of a factor in any of those games. We need consistency from JT if he’s going to be starting.

JT is a recipient. He catches and finishes. He tips in missed shots when defense is lured away. He doesn’t make plays on own but maybe once a game. He waits for teammates to make plays for him.

Tyreke played terrible last night. But if he would have done his thing driving and dishing, leaving the ball on the rim for easy slam home, JT would have 4 dunks or lay-ups. Instead of 1 for 6, JT would have been 5 for 10, and you would be talking about how well he played.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Feb 12, 2012 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

This is the NBA that they play in

The highest level of competition and skill in the world. You do not make soft passes, as those lead to turn overs. Also, to say that he didnt catch it because his hands were at his waist is not a valid argument. I dont care where his hands were, there is no excuse to miss a pass that bounces off your chest. In a game that close you have to be ready for anything. I can understand missing one or two passes every now and then, but he botched two great oops from Jimmer and IT against the thunder within what seemed like 2 minutes of each other. He has potatoes for hands and french fries for fingers.

by Merickel on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol
He has potatoes for hands and french fries for fingers.

I agree he has bad hands, but they are not be faulted in this instance. Any rational observer who watches the replay will see this. When you are three feet from a teammate you can’t throw a missile pass at expect him to catch it. The fact that he bounced off him and sailed 15 feet into the corner tells you the force of the pass.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Feb 12, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets put it this way...

Hickson stinks at just about everything….everything but stinking. I can smell him from southern cali. He waits too long to pass to outlets after rebounds, he makes easy 2 to 4 foot shots the most comple thing you ever seen and he doesn’t rebound. I’ve never seen such an athletic big player make his shots so difficult and do so little.

I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin

by Bambooozled on Feb 12, 2012 10:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

Either those Hickson for STAT rumors were false, or the Cavs are idiots for keeping him (then again, we may be the idiots for giving up a player and a #1). I had high hopes when we got him, but he’s been a huge let down.

by SharkKings49 on Feb 13, 2012 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

But isn't this all we want from him?
JT is a recipient. He catches and finishes. He tips in missed shots when defense is lured away. He doesn’t make plays on own but maybe once a game

Sounds exactly like the player I expected, and hoped for him to be

Sanka....you dead? Ya Man

by prowseinthehouse on Feb 12, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Lowered expectations like these are attainable for JT

But if this is what you are content to see, then you are content with a guy who cannot be a real difference maker.

Over course of a compressed season, we need guys who can step up when our best players stall out, like last night with Tyreke. Our collection of wings and back-ups don’t show this, excepting occasional outburst from Jimmer or IT. It puts inordinate pressure on our top three players to produce.

Even if JT was not a low post threat, which he isn’t, he could compensate by making defensive plays. But he doesn’t. Hoopdata measures defensive plays as sum of charges drawn, steals and blocks. JT ranks at the bottom of the team in this total, on a team of below average defenders, which contradicts the common assertion he is a hustle player who makes hustle plays.

If you asked the average fan to compare JT versus DeMarcus defensively, I think fans would say they are comparable. Yet DeMarcus has made over three times as many defensive plays (85 to 25). In half as many minutes, Cisco has made equal the number of defensive plays as JT.

So on one end he scores only when teammates afford him chance, and on the other end he has little to offer but collecting rebounds that fall his way. Thats the sum of it and contributes proportionately to losses like last night.

Numbers don’t lie.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Feb 12, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well stated, and agreed 100%

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

JT is doing great. I hope we can keep him. If we had a legit sf he still might be able to start.

I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin

by Bambooozled on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Failure to Compete at Home Against the Suns

I think if this game happened 3 weeks ago, it would have been one our 30 point blow out games.

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

yeah

And at least we can see the flaws now instead of watching a crappy team play like headless chickens…like they played under Westphal…at least there’s something concrete to work with.

I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin

by Bambooozled on Feb 12, 2012 10:40 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

They were a few stops/baskets away from being right in it for pretty much the entire game

If they would have had a quick run, something, anything, they would have been right there to finish the game. It never came, but at least it wasn’t done by halftime like it use to be.

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Caption:

“You’re Healed!!!”

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 12, 2012 10:52 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

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Frye : “Would you just hold still and take this pill! It will make you relax so you can hit your threes too!”

by Fireplug on Feb 12, 2012 11:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

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Frye: “Smell my finger, Jimmer! That’s right…SMELL IT!!!”

Price: “Sorry, man. He’s been doing that a lot lately.”

"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.

"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.

by PhutureKings on Feb 12, 2012 11:33 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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Yes I am real. I know its hard to believe anything could be this perfect.

by rmgordon4 on Feb 12, 2012 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

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Jimmer gets the club grinding experience.

by ahgraham on Feb 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

nikola pekovic is the ugly

Not reggie miller. What miller did is no comparison to what pekovic did to cousins. I hate pekovic so much.

by CousinsEvansDUO on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 PM PST reply actions  

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Fry (turns Fredette’s head toward Price): Dude, Ronnie wants to dance with you.
Ronnie (motioning Fredette to come closer): Yeah, man. Let’s Boogie.
Fredette to Ronnie: Sure, I’ll teach you how to Jimmer.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 12, 2012 1:19 PM PST reply actions  

2. Tyreke Evans Shooting and Playmaking

This is not only bad for this week, but I believe it is the single most important reason why the Kings will never ever be able to become a playoff caliber team. The team is built around a decidedly false premise—that Evans can lead the team, and therefore the team should be built around shocasing him and his “talent.” He can be a brilliant player, but that is all. Truth is, he is a bit player.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 1:20 PM PST reply actions  

Though in comparison, Kobe's averages in FG%

Went up consistently for the first 5-6 years after his rookie year, from .417 to .468. Tyreke had dropped off from .459 to .409 to .408 this year.

(Edited as I go)

LeBron also improved drastically, going from .417 to .472 to .480 in his first three years, eventually holding near .500 until this year where his average is .542 so far.

Consistent improvement, although slight, was also seen with D-Wade.

So yes, Reke has only seen a couple years, but his one dimensional game is showing. His fade-away shot kills him. It’s why fade aways are shown in highlight reels – they’re hard to make, and he decreases his scoring considerably when he misses.

I’d love to ask him – he doesn’t fade away when he shoots half court shots…why do it from normal shooting range? And his half court shots look better than his midrange jumpers.

"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 4:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It’s why fade aways are shown in highlight reels

I think you are on to something!!

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Im on my phone...

So I’m just going to ask you, as well as everyone else, to use your imagination and picture a photo of someone burying their face into their palm.

by Olde Greg on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

And you've identified the biggest improvement he needs to make

As long as he can’t hit the 15-18 footer consistently, his offense will be on dimensional and limit us. P&R won’t be effective and teams like the Suns can just back the paint.

That consistent midrange jumper took Westbrook and Rose from good to great. Evans needs to be shooting 1000 jumpers a day this summer. It’s holding him and us back.

Fortunately, shooting is one dimension that players can improve upon.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

True, but I will revert back to something C-Webb said during the Thunder game about Tyreke's injury last year.

(paraphrasing…) Webber was talking generally about plantarfasciitis not only affecting him in games, but also affecting his his practice time and effort. The only thing that can heal this injury was rest. He couldn’t give full effort in practice because of the limited pressure he could put on his foot.

This could be why Tyreke doesn’t have lift on his jumper, and may account for the bad habits he has picked up in the process. He is fading to give his shot lift. He has no lift because he doesn’t use his legs a lot to shoot. (This paragraph is speculation on my part..maybe I am stretching things a bit here).

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by Wonderchild on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully

His jumper was really broken coming into the league, so it makes sense it might take longer to fix than Rose & Westbrook. Hopefully you are right about the PF too.

He is fading less and form is looking better, but still has a ways to go. Hopefully by next season he can make a marked improvement. Watching him brick open 15 footers is painful.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 13, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hes a bad shooter whether he fades away or not

He misses because he is a bad shooter. Period. He needs to be told to just stop shooting. He can contribute enough in other ways. this myth of “you have to take that shot if they give it to you” is BS

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 9:10 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

That is it! Evans needs just a little more time, you rubes!!
I am afraid that we will be waiting for his entire career, and it will still never happen. Yes, he had a great rookie year. This year, his 3rd year, he shoots roughly 30% from the floor, scores 18 points/game after playing 40 fricking minutes and keeping the ball to himself. If he keeps going like he has been, I would’t be surprised to see him report to practice or a game complaining that his plantar fasciiitis has unexpectedly flared up again.

Meanwhile, we have traded away or sent to the background (or the bench) anyone who posed a threat to the emerging greatness of Evans. The team has so much invested in Evans as the savior that it will continue to lose talent to other teams. I can’t wait to read the apologies for Evans the day after Cousins bolts for the escape hatch from this franchise.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, to be fair

The plantar fascitis thing, I give him a pass for. If I recall, it was that (and/or) as well as the bone spur, etc, that absolutely hobbled Doug Christie.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You are right, and I would add that it also bothered Peja quite a bit.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It's going to be ok, quit being a hater

After all, kobe and lebron are great shooters now, tyreke will obviously follow suit

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 2:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

How many more years will Tyrekes shot get worse before he begins his Kobe-esque transformation?

Tyreke is a good basketball player. He is never going to be a good shooter. Laughable comment.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 9:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Considering he has 1 healthy year under his belt

I’m not ready to throw him on the bus, and people who are willing to are laughable at best

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Because

Saying he isn’t a good shooter and never will be, and that comparing his shooting ability to kobe’s is a bad joke, is totally equivalent to “throwing him under the bus”

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 1:48 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Saying he isn’t a good shooter and never will be

Kind of is throwing under the bus. Saying he’s not a good shooter and he’s not ever going to be at Kobe’s level is one thing. To act like Evans is one of the only players in NBA history who can’t fix his shot enough to be a good shooter is quite another.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 13, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay

He’s a horrible jump shooter now. I see no evidence that he is going to improve, and “hey kobe improved” doesnt count.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 3:58 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Not sure what evidence you see that a 22 year old won't improve

He’s already leaning less, which is the first step to correcting his shot.

And Kobe isn’t some strange outlier for improving one’s jump shot. Rose, Westbrook, Parker, Bibby, Christine, Salmons, Bobby Jackson, Billups, Monta Ellis, Wade, etc. all improved their outside shot greatly over their careers. It’s actually pretty typical.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 13, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

A while back I was having a similar discussion

And looked up lebron and wades stats. The difference is that by their third years they were starting to improve (and they were not as bad as tyreke in the first place). The “he isn’t leaning as often” is anecdotal and I dont agree but thats beside the point. The proof is in the percentages, & theyre abysmal.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 4:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

So because he isn't better by year three he will never be?

We seem to agree his shot was in need of more fixing than the others. It would make sense it’s a longer process.

Maybe it will never improve, but to state with certainty that a 22 year old will never improve his shot to a satisfactory level is a very extreme statement.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 13, 2012 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

How about "Tony Parker" improved

or “Jason Kidd improved” or “Steve Nash improved”

Will they work for you? Jumpers are the easiest thing to fix in basketball. I’m more worried about his playmaking.

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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2012 5:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Youre totally right

It’s the sore foot that he had last year holding him back from shooting like kobe. A ridiculous, laughable comparison. Every time you pull it out.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 1:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Where did I say he was going to shoot like Kobe

Before you put words in my mouth, please take a step off the Tyreke haterwagon and read what I actually typed. I pointed out that writing off Tyreke as a career poor shooter would be like if someone wrote off Kobe/Lebron/Wade as poor shooters this early in their careers. It’s comical.

Tyreke is 22 with 1 healthy year under his belt. Calm the fuck down

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

That is an implicit comparison

(a horrible one)

And I don’t think i’m the one who needs to calm down

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 2:22 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

You're right...

It makes much more sense to write off 22 year old players…. Quite intelligent logic, if I do say so myself…

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup "writing him off" is what I did

I’m making a prediction based on what i see from the player. youre making a prediction based on something some other player has done. Clever attempt at condescension as well.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 5:39 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I must be drunk... I'm sitting here re-reading my posts

and no where can I see where I made a prediction of Tyreke’s future. Care to show me?

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone who cares, and there can't be many

Can go up and read your first comment on this and draw their own conclusion what you meant by it. seems pretty obvious to me, but I’m not very bright so maybe you just wanted to start discussing kobe and lebron for your own reasons

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 8:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

This is now your 11th reply on this offshoot, but here I'll repost what I said...
Sure is a good thing Kobe, Lebron, Wade and many other of the greatest to ever play the game started their careers with such killer shots.

Since you’re self proclaimed “not very bright”, I’ll explain it to you. I am saying that it’s probably a good idea to NOT make predictions of how a player is going to become based off their first few years in the league(especially when one was injury prone, another was zero off season). If you need less extreme examples than Kobe, Lebron, Wade, please scroll up 13 comments and read those names as well…

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Was there something preventing him from working on his shot in the offseason?

Please explain how the lockout and lack of a training camp is anything other than a complete red herring bullshit excuse, when it comes to bricking wide open jumpers. Use small words please.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

You're arguing technicalities at this point

I’m sure he did work on his shot this offseason. It still stinks.

Not every player’s jumper develops at the same rate. Parker’s certainly came around later than Bibby’s. Bowen’s later than VCs.

Still, it’s the notion that a 22 year old’s shooting ability is set in stone and that he cannot become a reliable shooter that is a pretty extreme position to take.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 13, 2012 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm done responding to you. I think you're a troll

If you aren’t a troll, Go ahead and keep predicting what an NBA player will or will not become 2.25 years(1.25 healthy) in their career, I’ll keep laughing at you

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 14, 2012 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Keep making your trite snarky remarks

Using 3 of the best players in NBA history as your examples for comparison and then backtracking. Get back to me when tyreke shows one iota of improvement. I’ll be here, “trolling”

by lchristmas on Feb 14, 2012 7:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Are you the guy with the

“omg lets trade tyreke for (insert mediocre pg’s name here) amirite huh guys?” after every single good game he has?

If so, keep it up. It’s comedy gold. If thats not you please accept my humblest apologies.

by lchristmas on Feb 13, 2012 5:43 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

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by Olde Greg on Feb 12, 2012 1:58 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

Seconded.

Bulls, Knicks, Heat. I worry I might have to crawl in a corner…but I would be stoked by a Kings win versus any one of those teams.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

When Reke plays within the flow of the game he is a joy to watch and he makes plays that are similar to plays that PG's make

When he is trying to be a point guard he get’s overwhelmed, he goes into thinking mode which is not his greatest strength anyway but when any athlete starts to “think” about what they are doing rather than just doing it their performance always suffers.

Reke needs a distributor to play off of and it’s time for the Kings to realize that Jimmer is not going to be that player. As much as I enjoy watch IT play he’s not going be the starting point guard we need either. The Kings p!ssed away $8 mil per year on Salmons, let’s “invest” just a bit more in Jose Calderon. We have plenty of young tradeable players to make a trade work and if it takes Marcus Thornton to make it work then it takes Marcus Thornton because DeMar Derozen is never going to be the shooting guard the Raps need.

Trading for a player like Jose Calderon would allow the Kings to get full value out of the player that Reke is which in my opinion is more valuable player than Marcus will ever be. A proven vet like Calderon would improve every young starter we are putting on the court on a nightly basis. Let Reke be Reke! Free Reke!

I’m sorry Akis, I think you’re reaching on Jimmer. The best thing I can say about him is that it’s possible he was not as bad this week as he has been prior. I still think he needs major minutes up in Reno to learn how to play at this level. Most disagree with me but look what his time in the D League did for JLin.

I’m going to take a pass on Chuck Hayes and JJ Hickson this season. If they are still on the team at the beginning of next season let’s see how they fit in with a full training camp.

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by Bluejohn on Feb 12, 2012 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

Don't go there

Calderon’s defense (which is a wash with Beno’s) and incredibly high A:T ratio over the past 5+ seasons is not interesting to most around here.

A guy who could throw oops to DMC and Donte, hit a slashing Tyreke or work it around the horn to an open MT23? Yawn.

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by RJinFairOaks on Feb 12, 2012 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think most people would love to have Calderon.

Would provide some nice leadership and teaching. The key would be what it cost to get him. When it was suggested we trade Evans for him, that was shot down quickly. However, when there were rumors Toronto might amnesty him this winter, there were several of us hoping the Kings might snag him if that happened. Instead we got Outlaw.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that was passive aggressive

Calderon would most likely be a fine player to have, but look at Toronto’s offensive rating…28th in the league right now (two spots behind the Kings). So while he has a fine A/T ratio, for some reason it’s not translating to actual offensive productivity.

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by otis29 on Feb 13, 2012 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Way too early to give up on Jimmer, and that's exactly what GS did with Lin

and look how stupid they look now.

Take away the responsibility of running the offense from Tyreke, yes if we could trade for a starting PG. But, until that happens were stuck. It’s either start Tyreke at Point or start Jimmer, and neither is a promising look right now.

I wish Smart’s tenure as head coach wasn’t based on the teams win/loss record, or he might be willing to move Evans, but I just don’t see him doing that. Not only would it be a big gamble but he’d be dealing with some angry players, if he started IT or Jimmer. He might be better off not starting Evans, but Thornton would be the one who’d be left out and I don’t see him being very happy about that.

After all the years of hearing “Trust in Petrie” around here it’s hard to believe that so many posters don’t believe that Jimmer’s future is at the starting PG. I for one see him starting there, or I think we’d have drafted Leonard or Knight. And, if we fail to maintain a winning percentage over 35%, we could see him there this year.

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by HighTops on Feb 12, 2012 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I see Jimmer as being a lot like Bibby

Same height, Build, shooting ability, passing, defense etc….
We did ok with Mike right?

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree. Reke needs a PG along side.

I realize Reke is probably the best PG option right now, but the Kings have to get someone. Reke’s instincts are to score, not to pass first. I don’t believe you can train someone to change that mindset. As you said, let Reke be Reke. The only way he blossoms is at the 2. And for god’s sake Reke, learn to shoot already. And while your at it, teach Jimmer to dribble.

by amonk81 on Feb 13, 2012 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke

he is not a superstar. he had a great rookie seaon but has since regressed. He has not improved in any area since his rookie season. look at demarcus, look at the strides he’s made in just 1 year. I like Tyreke but he is not the player to build the franchise around. Cousins is. When management and the maloofs finally figure this out I think we’ll be in better shape. so if we have a chance to aquire a traditional pg, lets do it.

by Nbawriter on Feb 12, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think the Knicks game prediction depends on how Lin is playing (or if he starts)

If he has another ridiculous night like he did against the [redacted] and has a 38 point game on 62% shooting or whatever average he’s held this last week, we are in trouble.

Amare might be a bit rough since he’s been out for unfortunate reasons and might be a little rusty.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Because he only started taking the starting spot when Melo and Amare were out.

He’s been buried on the bench all season, so it’s hard to say how they’ll put them together when Melo and Amare are back. Now, Melo has his groin injury and Amare is on family leave, so…when they come back, someone will be the odd man out. Just speculation.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct. Wasn’t he also in “D” league earlier THIS year?

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup. As of 3 weeks ago.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Granted I’d love to see the guy get a starting spot, especially if he keeps playing at this level, it’d be a shame for him not to.

But I don’t know if the NYK will see it that way.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

100% guaranteed he will be starting when they return

he could lose the spot later in the year for all I know but he’s losing it either to Shumpert or Baron Davis.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The Knicks are 5-0 with Jeremy Lin playing. The rest of the stats are engaging but you can't argue with wins

So…. which is first; is it going to be Evans for Lin, or Jimmer and a future draft pick for Lin?

by betweentheeyes on Feb 12, 2012 5:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

The Shumpert- Lin backcourt has been very exciting to watch thus far.

The Knicks would be stupid to not ride Lin while he is on this hot streak. I would bench Landry Fields when Melo comes back. Then have, Lin-Shumpert-Melo-Amare-Chandler starting five.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

But Fredette and Thomas are just rookies who need to subordinate whatever talent they may be able to display to the Evans juggernaut. So stand aside rook, and let the seasoned veteran show you how to get on ESPN SportsCenter

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

So Evans is holding Fredette and Thomas back?

This is perhaps the most humorous thing that I have seen today. Good grief.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Good grief, as much as you want it to be, Evans is not the “answer” for Sacramento. Not now, not ever. But the trouble with Evans goes beyond Tyreke Evans.

The entire organization has staked their future on him, which means that nearly everyone else, Fredette and Thomas included, and others on this team, and on the team before (and no doubt after) are necessarily shunted to the background. How many plays, for example, involve setting up someone BESIDES Evans for a shot off of the screen? None.

As for Evans himself, I believe he has the ability to be great, so long as neither he nor the rest of the team is burdened with the franchise player operating procedure. But the way this team operates, Evans is considered the star, even though he isn’t really.

So that means that everyone else on the team, especially the guards, fade from view because the entire offense (if there really IS one) is focused on Evans. As for defense, he is good at it, but it seems often enough to me that he doesn’t care too much about playing defense. So he is good at it when he feels like it.

I know that many here, you especially, are fully invested in Evans and what he might become, I don’t think that he will ever live up to the hype and the expectation. It isn’t “humorous” but it sure seems true to me at least.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 5:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rage on all you like about Evans (and you have and will)

But the comment that Evans is holding back these two rookies is 100% laughable. Thomas has exceeded every expectation, and Fredette’s issues have been his own and not anyone else’s.

To be clear, I’m not saying that Evans is the answer at lead guard for this team. But he is currently exponentially better than Fredette or Thomas, and I have seen nothing from either rookie to warrant handing over the duties of lead guard to either one of them.

And I don’t see how the franchise “staked their future” on him, other than investing the #4 pick in him, which still looks like a reasonable choice. They have not sent any other legit starting NBA point guard packing to clear room for him (and that includes bench fodder such as Beno Udrih). Fredette as a #10 pick is getting minutes that actually exceed what #10 pick Spencer Hawes received as a rookie, and Thomas is getting minutes that #60 picks just don’t see. The minutes that these guys are receiving just don’t support your claim.

I’m not fully invested in Evans, though I am certainly rooting for him. What I am able to do is compare his strengths and weaknesses to those of the other players on this roster that others would like to see run the “point,” and clearly see that he remains the best option. It’s the difference between facing reality and wishing on a star.

Hell, let’s have Whiteside run the point. He can do that and block shots too, right?

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To wit -

Could you explain what/when/where Fredette has done anything since he arrived here that would lead one to believe that he could be a point guard for this team right now?

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Well for one thing, he manages to get as many assists in 6 or 7 minutes as your guy does in 40. But people see what they want to see. Right?

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Fredette has averaged an assist per every 11 minutes

Evans 1 every 7.

Next.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Posting is way more fun when you don't have to back it up with facts

Stop raining on the parade.

Well done series of posts though. I think HT and you both stated your positions well.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I need to be crystal clear on this

I am not convinced that Evans is the lead guard for this team. I also feel that a guy like Fredette could develop into a good Yin to Evans’ Yang and that they could pair up to be a good backcourt, a la Bibby and Christie. And I think that this team is currently at its most effective offensively when Thomas is pushing the ball in transition and Evans is facilitating the halfcourt sets (even if that means dumping the ball early and then moving without the ball). So it may not be necessary to obtain a “true” point guard as much as it is necessary to have multiple options if Evans is your lead guard. Regardless, he’s the best that we have right now, with the present roster providing few other options.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Is there a statistic indicating how many assists occur along with how much time and how often a player holds on to the ball to the exclusion of other guards, fowards and centers?

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

So,

now that your original response is refuted, you default to “Tyreke’s a ballhog?” Weak sauce.

Evans leads the team in assists, as well as assists per minute, and he takes fewer shots per minute (about 1 every 2 minutes and 25 seconds) than Fredette (1 every 2m40s) or Thomas (1 every 2m48s).

Next.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Just to prove to you how clueless I really am, I don’t think that you have refuted my original response.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Regarding Fredette averaging more assists per minute than Evans

Any way you slice it, Evans dishes more and shoots less than either Fredette or Thomas.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

But people see what they want to see, right?

Stats be damned.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

My argument isn’t about statistics. Got it?

Statistics are what you wanted to bring in here in defense of your guy. The only way to compare “statistically” would be for Evans to switch roles with Fredette, i.e., the plays and the game run through Fredette. The screens are set for Fredette. The ball is distributed by Fredette. Otherwise, neither Fredette nor anyone else is going to look very competent when stuck off in the corner somewhere when on the floor, given the ball at the last option, or passing the ball and never getting it back. Now it is time to go make dinner… I am sure this might come up again…

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer has had plenty of opportunities

Running the screen and roll and handling the ball.

I like Jimmer and think he is showing signs of growth. However, Section is right that at this moment in time, Evans has been the best player running the team.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Got it

Since statistics do not support your argument, the argument is not about statistics.

Got it.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Game, Set, and Match

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 12, 2012 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I may be confused, but

Tyreke 1 every 2 mins 25 seconds
Jimmer 1 every 2 mins 40 seconds
Thomas1 every 2 mins 48 seconds

doesnt that mean that Tyreke takes the most shots?

by chenp22 on Feb 12, 2012 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

you sir are correct

Evans does in fact take more shots per minute than Jimmer and IT

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

So

Does he take more shots per minute or less shots per minute.

by chenp22 on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep - that would be correct

Per 36 minutes, Evans would take 14.9 shots, Fredette 13.2, and Thomas 12.9.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel that the Kings have staked too much of their future in Evans ability to run the offense

even after his rookie season, there were those of us who doubted his future as lead guard. The Kings have failed to go after a vet true PG for the last 2 off seasons. I don’t count Beno since most considered him a combo like Tyreke. So, I think it isn’t out of line to feel that the Kings have a lot invested in Tyreke as their lead guard.

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by HighTops on Feb 12, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Many things one might say about any player are considered out of line when spoken about Evans. If anything, it is further evidence to me of the level of commitment to Evans as the future by the ownership and the fan base

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That first sentence pisses me off

It is a feeble attempt to cover the fact that you’ve got nothing other than the way you wish things to be. To attempt to belittle the people who are defeating your premise StR hates anything said bad about Reke (which if you believe is true you really need to read the sight more.

Fredette is no where near Reke right now, but I hope someday they split the vote for finals MVP

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I almost wrote a coherent sentence

but its not worth it to correct it….everybodyfeel free to make up their own interpretations.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

But what about Whiteside?

Man, you are so blinded by your love for Evans & Jimmer, you can’t even see where the team should really be focusing their attention :)

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I slept with Whiteside once

and they sent him down to the D league. He made me promise to never speak of it, but you wanted to know why I can’t talk about it.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In that regard it seems we placed too much faith in Jimmer

Evans was always going to get his minutes and usage. But the decision not to sign a vet PG was baffling to me. Basically meant Jimmer had to step in and play like a veteran from day 1, which is inconceivable for 99% of rookies.

I have no problem with letting Evans learn and take his lumps. But it seemed predictable that with a young team there would be times we would devolve into chaos and need a steady vet to run the O and get us back on track. Failing to get one was a big mistake in my opinion.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think that they have not spent on a vet PG because of Evans

I think it is more because the Malindas own the team and a quality vet PG would cost money.

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by section214 on Feb 12, 2012 6:18 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

At this moment in time I don't totally disagree with you

but too many people seem to focus on the negative, and not the possible.

So, I pose this question, " If Tyreke were to develop a deadly mid-range jumper, would you feel the same?"

The one area that I do disagree would be that Tyreke usage is somehow hurting Jimmer & IT. Neither is more capable of running the Kings half court offense, because there really isn’t a team half court offense. IT needs to dribble too much just to find an open player, and Jimmer is too easily doubled due to his inexperience and the lack of help from his screeners on the pick and roll.

Tyreke can be effective just by being Tyreke. True teams can defend him and Cuz just by clogging up the paint. But, 4 defenders in the paint simply means someone for the Kings is being undefended. It’s Smart’s and Tyreke’s job to find a way to get them the ball. They’ve yet to do that but again it can be done and it’s not just Tyreke’s responsibility to find a way to do it.

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by HighTops on Feb 12, 2012 6:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

And I think the last two weeks we have seen both Good Tyreke and Bad Tyreke.

Good Tyreke picks his spots. Hits teammates with passes inside and outside. And pushes the ball in transition. While he was only credited with 5 assists, I though we saw Good Tyreke for much of the OKC game.

Bad Tyreke gets this single minded scoring mentality. He settles for jump shots, that while open in theory, are not yet his forte. Bad Tyreke seems to come out when the team falls behind and Evans thinks he needs to be a hero. He needs to learn to keep running the offense and trust his teammates. We definitely saw Bad Tyreke last night from the second quarter on.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 6:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Tyreke is a very good player

people are a little to hard on him. He is playing a position he probably shouldnt be playing. I’m just wondering if he knows how much his lack of shooting ability is holding back his game.

by Nbawriter on Feb 12, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

His lack of shooting takes him from a 9 or 10

to a 6 or 7

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with both of you

Evans lack of a jumper severly hampers his game.

I probably come off as an Evans’ defender or possibly even apologist on this board as I see a lot of people wanting to throw the proverbial “baby out with the bathwater.”

But Evans has flaws he needs to fix. The biggest is his lack of a jump shot.

Can you imagine how lethal an Evans-Cousins pick and roll would be if Evans could consistently hit the 15-18 footer?

Right now we all groan when Evans shoots a 17 foot jumper when the defender sags off. Thing is, those shots are theoretically not bad shots most of the time. They are just bad shots for Evans because he can’t hit them enough. Once upon a time neither could Rose, Parker or Westbrook. If Evans learns how, not only will it increase his scoring, but it will increase his assists. When he drives past his man and stops at 15 feet, a big man will have to rotate up to help, which will give him more passing lanes inside.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 12, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To me if Reke becomes and average NBA

shooter for a guard he is a superstar or damn close to it.
He would be unstoppable.

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

totally agree

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by Shizzo on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

How did this go from talking about Lin to talking about Reke and Jimmer?

Or was there a reply failure somewhere that caused some disconnect?

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Reke and Jimmer only dream of being Lin

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

True.

Just curious since he was buried on the bench before, and it was only due to those missing gaps that he was able to start and kick some serious ass.

But anyways, good points.

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by HarveySpecter on Feb 12, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

no it wasn't from that

it’s because Toney Douglass failed and than Shumpert failed and Baron was still out.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Melo is a small foward, Amare is a power foward, Lin is a point guard

I don’t see how the return of Melo and/or Amare would affect Lin starting. In fact, I would bet ever dollar I have on Lin starting the rest of the way for NY. Will Melo and Amare’s return affect his output? Without a doubt, but their returns certainly won’t prevent him from starting.

by Kyle_B on Feb 12, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I really think unless Melo has grown up in the last few weeks

that he takes away a large chunk of the time that Lin has the ball. Baron Davis must be thinking what the hell am I rehabbing for?

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

True that

they are having fun for the first time since, well, Lin was born and they will hate the guy that spoils the party

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 12, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Caption:

OK, Ronnie, you pants him while I give him a noogie.

by avishai on Feb 12, 2012 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Caption:

Channing Frye, the first blind player in the NBA, “sees” his opponents by gently touching their faces.

by twasserm on Feb 12, 2012 10:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

hey guys

check it my new tyreke mix, got done today, comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7davl9JRS70

by Az1atic on Feb 12, 2012 10:13 PM PST reply actions  

Well, since we're posting youtube nba mixes

Given we play New York this week and this video here is pretty bad ass, here’s a great video of the Jeremy Lin story. Less than three minutes and completely badass.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Correlation coefficient = 0.92

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by RJinFairOaks on Feb 12, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Seriously

thanks for sharing this. As a former wanna-be athlete from the Ivies, the J-Lin story is extra special for me. I wish him all the best this season, except against our Kings.

I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.

by RJinFairOaks on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

And yeah, the Lin story is actually by far my favorite sports story in awhile.

He’s just way too damn likeable. And I love how intense crazy he gets too. Just love it.

Speaking of NBA “feel good” stories, here’s another cool mix from two years ago (same guy made it) when Sundiata Gaines came up from the D League. Trust me, it’s awesome.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok, you are 2-2 tonight

Great video. I’m always inspired by people who seem to elevate their “game” when presented with (perhaps) once-in-a-lifetime opportunities against presumably insurmountable odds. You see it in sports, business, and the dramatic arts.

It is fun to think that we all might have a little bit of that inside of us, if only we can find a way to tap into it.

I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.

by RJinFairOaks on Feb 12, 2012 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

and while here

this is a completely non basketball related pretty fun little vid. Warning though: lots and lots of dubstep so if dubstep is not your thing don’t bother.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I am extremely jealous of Seattle's south-end sports complex (Qwest/Safeco)

Just hope (for our sake) that the construction of a basketball/hockey arena in that same zone doesn’t end up as the home of our Kings.

I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.

by RJinFairOaks on Feb 12, 2012 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh man

Tyreke and JT both had rough weeks so it gives the Blob and exPFC a chance to release some pent-up distaste for those two players. It must have been killing you guys when they were playing well.

This was as predictable as the sunrise.

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by otis29 on Feb 13, 2012 5:39 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

GB&U never disappoints

Very nice job as always, Akis.

And bravo to everyone for the captions this week. Tons of good ones.

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by Exhibit G on Feb 13, 2012 7:30 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

It helps that the picture is great

Haven’t had many good choices the last couple weeks.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 13, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Caption

Frye: “Turn the other cheek, Jimmer! Turn the other Cheek! Just turn it! Turn the other one!”
Jimmer: (muffled gibberish)
Price: (Not dunking on Boozer so it really doesn’t matter.)

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by default on Feb 13, 2012 9:07 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

hahaha

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 13, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Caption:

“Jimmer, I won’t let you pass to John Salmons! Don’t look John Salmons in the eyes, you’ll turn to brick!”

by gregory l on Feb 13, 2012 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

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