Jeremy Lin Doesn't Want Any Of Tyreke Evans
by Tom Ziller on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 AM PST
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PrintThe Kings visit the Knicks tonight. New York has won six straight, all behind the stylings of Jeremy Lin, an undrafted Harvard alum who had been waived twice this season before catching a break with the 'Bockers. Lin has been on a tear, and last night became a part of an exclusive club of players to rack up a six-game streak with at least 20 points and six assists per game.
Six games of 20 and six. Not bad, kid.
Tyreke Evans has six 20-6 games this season. He had 11 in an injury-ravaged 2010-11 season. As a 20-year-old rookie, he had 24 of those games (including one four-game streak). Heck, as a rookie he averaged 20.1 points and 5.8 assists for an entire season!
Lin's story has been amazing and immutable. But he doesn't want any of Tyreke Evans. I have a feeling Linsanity is going to take a break, effective Wednesday night.
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We'll shut down Lin
And Jared Jeffries will score 30. Such is the life of a Kings fan.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 15, 2012 10:04 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Tom, have you not learned the leason that Kobe learned a week ago?
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
have you not learned the lesson that Kobe learned a week ago
Keith Smart created this monster, hopefully he has the keys to turn him off?
My plan would be pack the lanes and foul hard and put a pesky defender on him in the 4th quarter so he can’t relax.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry, but Keith Smart did not create this monster......
He played nowhere near the level he is playing now when he was with Smart. Smart never really gave him a chance. Most his minutes where garbage time. D’antoni’s system has created this monster.
by ygmonkey09 on Feb 15, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Keith Smart did not create this monster......
Smart told him he needed to develop a better shot if he wanted to stay in the NBA and apparently Lin listened.
Good things will happen to young kings if they listen to coach :>)
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Toronto tried that and got burned.
weren’t they ahead late and had to puke up an epic choke to lose it?
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Some unlucky guard in NYC is gonna feel 6’6" of pain tonight!
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
By the way
Jeremy Lin is a nice story, and appears to be a fine young player and nice man. But he is living, breathing proof of the east coast sports media bias.
Would his story be this viral if he played for Memphis or Denver?
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think it has just been so long since NY has had a potential game-changing PG, the media are just eating this all up.
I don’t count Billups as this because he is well past his prime, and was hurt for a good portion of his stay in NY.
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by Wonderchild on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
The story would very likely not be as big if this was happening on ANY other team
Considering the NY market and the state of the team.
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
His story will still be big regardless of where he’s at. He would put a small market team on the map. Just remember the Chinese media will blow him up and the league will hop on board with him playing so well to cash in. As a first Asian American kid that went undrafted there is a lot of hype and media surrounding him just because of that. When GSW signed him last year there was hype around him already because of how well he did in the summer league. He made John Wall look undeserving of being the 1st draft pick. With the GSW he just wasn’t fitting in well with their type of offense. But in every city GSW played at fans would always chant for Lin he underdog. I remember going to a game where we played against the GSW last year and I heard the crowd chanting for Smart to play Lin. I guarantee you that if we had picked him up from waivers and he played that well for us too he would put Sacramento back on the map. He would possibly guarantee the team to stay in Sacramento. His jerseys will sale just as fast as Fredette’s. Jeremy Lin’s story is something many people love to hear about. People love underdogs especially if they come out of nowhere and no one expected them to be good. Everyone probably thought this year would be his last year in the NBA if he didn’t make the Knicks roster too.
by ygmonkey09 on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Also, Nike knew that there was hype around him. Nike signed him last year when he signed with GSW. Meaning they knew somewhere down the road that he would blow up. Fact is the Asian race makes up more than 1/3 of the world population. If Lin plays good on any team he will have the support of the Asian community stretching all the way out to China. His story did not blow up because he is on the Knicks roster. It blew up because he is an Asian American kid out of Harvard that was overlooked in the draft and was cut 2 times this year. He was indeed a nobody in everyone eyes besides his diehard fans from Harvard and the summer league.
by ygmonkey09 on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't really disagree with most of what you say
I’m Asian American. I just know that the media coverage and hoopla wouldn’t be nearly as big if it wasn’t happening in NY. It would not have escalated as fast either. That doesn’t mean the story wouldn’t be as special if it happened under similar circumstances in another market. Of course it would. In fact, I’m glad he has the NY media platform to come out like this. It’s a great story, on so many levels, and not just for Asian Americans.
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m Asian American. I just know that the media coverage and hoopla wouldn’t be nearly as big if it wasn’t happening in NY.
I was wondering if the Asian fans feel it’s a little disrespectful to them to assume than an Asian player doing good is so remarkable? I’ve never looked at players as black ,white, euro or asian so the whole concept of origin mattering kinda baffles me.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Its about him going from D league to scoring massive points and having clutch performances when the coach gave him the opportunity and pulled him up.
Basically like if Whiteside or Honeycutt started performing near allstar levels when we called them up.
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
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by HarveySpecter on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 AM PST via Android app up reply actions 2 recs
Might not be quite as big, but
You’d still hear the echoes throughout the league.
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM PST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
I don't disagree that there's an east coast bias at times
But I think this is more a big-market bias. If he was with LA I’m sure it would be equally huge because it’s another giant market. If he was with a small market, I’m not sure it would matter if it was in the east or west (though I do think ti would be a big story regardless of the size of the market for the sheer WTF?? factor).
by Christina_J on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes I think it would
This is an incredible, incredible story of someone coming up from nothing to stardom, literally overnight. The fact that it started in New York just made everyone notice quicker.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 15, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The story would be no less amazing, but it would not be as big of a story if on another team
That said, I’m quite happy that the situation worked out for him just as it has. You can’t do this on a bigger stage, because there isn’t one.
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have to disagree here
This story would still be huge. Being in NY does bring it to a whole other level but don’t think it still wouldnt be blowing up. If he did this on any team it would still be close to this level. His story plays everywhere. Think about Tebow, he doesn’t play on the east coast either.
by Makdeeznut on Feb 15, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, the whole internet viral thing wasn't as big back then
but pretty sure that when this happened in Seattle about 8 years ago it wasn’t quite as big of a story but still somewhat of a big deal.
And for the record, I love this story.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would also argue the fact he's Asian American is what dials this story up from a 9 to an 11.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Agree. I think the fact he is Asian American is an important part of it because it is unexpected.
He wasn’t able to get an athletic scholarship out of high school, despite his playing achievements. Did did his ethnicity hurt his chance to get a scholarship? I’m sure people are going to be talking about this for awhile and college scouts may look at Asian American players a little differently in the future.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 15, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry should mention
the fact it is in New York obviously plays a role bumping it up to the 9.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
Oh I love it
totally swept away by it and it’s my personal favorite sports story in a long time.
And yes, I’ll admit it, a huge part of it for me is that he is an Asian American young athlete who is kicking ass in the NBA and walking around the court with crazy swagger, screaming, and slapping stuff, and doing stupid little handshake things with his teammates. I am only speaking for myself here (and no, not proud of this) but I personally felt like I kind of took him for granted last year and made the snap judgment that he was a gimmick. And yes, this was after we already knew since the last summer league that the guy is fiery and fearless and that his college stats were actually pretty decent for a point guard prospect, but I personally thought he seemed like a shooting guard trapped in too small of a body and not athletic enough to really play that position. Seeing him though lay it all out on the court right now and utterly fearless the guy is I think is really enjoyable and to be honest every time I’ve seen him play in the past he played with this kind of aggression. Zero clue if his knee will hold up or whether his jump shot will keep working, but there is something really cool about the guy pretty much showing me how much of a dumbass I was to just assume he is a gimmick and he is showing it by basically playing to his strengths my dumbass should have noticed.
I dunno how good he is going to be but I think it’s pretty certain at this point that he is an NBA player and I am just happy to see that he was able to show everyone that. The guy is a baller.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Young Asian American rocking it with crazy swagger.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
my ovaries jumped.
I’m teaching my child to do this, and will mock him for it at his wedding 25 years later ;)
but I personally thought he seemed like a shooting guard trapped in too small of a body and not athletic enough to really play that position
you had it right but sometimes things don’t work out like they should. I wouldn’t question my observational skills I’d question my thinking it’s worth doubting them over missing such a remote possibility.
If these things didn’t happen the lotto system would not exist, they make their money on selling the impossible dream to the unlikely.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
I'd say from a 7 to a 15
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by Shizzo on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ronald Murray was a big deal for NBA hardcore fans
He wasn’t the lead story on Good Morning America.
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it compares better to Wes Matthews in Portland.
Mathews came up after a few stints in the D-League, then became a solid contributor for the Blazers. He never had a stretch of game-winners like Lin, but his contributions never got national attention until the first round of the playoffs.
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by Wonderchild on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
He played pretty well for the Jazz before that
If I recall, they were pretty upset when Portland gave him an offer they couldn’t match.
by Crocoduck on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thats right, it was the Jazz...
my bad. Thanks for the correction.
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Yes, Yes, and Yes
1. An undrafted player dropped by multiple teams, 2. an Asian, 3. playing one of the most difficult to learn and essential positions in the NBA (point guard), and having unprecedented and extreme sudden success. None of the recent spate of heralded lottery point guards have started this way.
You really think that if he had done this for Golden State last year, it would be this big of a deal?
No chance. Everyone would be screaming about “small sample size”.
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If he did this last year
Then a big part of the background of this story wouldn’t exist. He was cut twice and has been a 12th-13th man in his time in this league. Not to mention the multiple D-League send downs.
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it likely wouldn't be as big nationally
but in the Bay Area? Holy crap it would have been absolutely insane batshit craziness to the most extreme possible. Can’t even imagine it, people would be vomiting rainbows everywhere.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I was at a preseason Warriors game last year and the Warriors fans there went insane when he came into the game, like Jimmer squared.
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Lol I was there too.
He ended up having 0 points, 3 turnovers in like 4 minutes and getting yanked before the Kings could finish their comeback.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
This is the ultimate feel-good sports story
The best in years. So yes, I think if Lin was playing for any NBA team, it would still be Linsanity. Toned down just slightly from New York’s always exaggerated emotions, but still big, big story.
by kinglet on Feb 15, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If it were happening in Sacramento
The Kings media team would have to hype if up like in Evans’ rookie year. I read a qoute about it but it was labeled, quote from NBA team personnel man which makes me think it was someone from Sacramento bringing it up.
Was the 20-5-5 chase a huge national media story?
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How much national coverage has Cuz gotten for his play over the last month and a half?
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yep, which kind of backs up Otis' point.
If Cuz was doing what he’s been doing in NYC, it would be big news, If Lin had been doing his thing in Sac, it wouldn’t be nearly as big a story.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They'd probably be talking about how awesome he's been under Smart
and how he hasn’t had a blow up since Westphal left
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM PST up reply actions
That is true regarding Cuz doing this in NYC (with an implied 6 game win streak as a result)
would be a MASSIVE story
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Linsanity has actually kind of been the one thing that has hidden Cousins
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I think the win streak
on a big market team that was 7-15, with three stars, and a big-name coach’s job on the line has played just as big of part. If the Knicks were 2-4 during his six starts, I am not sure this is hits the level it does.
by MichaelMack on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He's a 6'11" lottery pick from a basketball powerhouse
Whose ethnicity is not an aberration in the NBA. there is really no comparison.
What Lin is doing would be a huge story anywhere.
by lchristmas on Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That wasn't my where I was going.
Just saying I think what Cuz has done deserves a sniff of national attention, and if he was doing it in NYC, he’d be getting that.
And while Linsanity is a great story, it is larger, or at the very least it caught fire quicker, because it is in NYC. That is all.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes you have a point
New York isn’t a big market. It is THE big market. Deal with it.
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You forgot the gif with the sunglasses coming down over some random guy's eyes
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by lchristmas on Feb 15, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I am a huge Linsanity fan...
I have rooted for him since he was with the Warriors. I went crazy when he went off against the Nets. I’ve watched every single Knicks game since Linsanity has started. I’ve bought Linsanity T-shirts and gear. I screamed at the top of my lungs when Linsanity hit that 3 last night. But this is where my loyalty is tested. And to that I say this:
The Linsanity ends tonight. LETS GO KINGS!
by Makdeeznut on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Right there with you
A little tiny bit torn, but a Kings fan always first and foremost. Plus Linsanity’s ascent has already reached such heights, that a loss tonight isn’t going to derail him or the hype train.
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hope Linsanity can get 30-10-5 during the Kings win
by SharkKings49 on Feb 15, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
As long as we have a comfortable lead at the end. Wouldn’t want to have him to not come up big again if given another chance tonight at the end of the game.
Really looking forward to this game tonight!
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by dampania on Feb 15, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This would be a great outcome for both Lin and Smart
and of course the Kings generally
by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 15, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Love Lin. I have no clue if he can keep this up but still love him
that being said, totally cool with him going 0-12 with 8 turnovers and 0 assists tonight.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
Smart needs to let Tyreke guard Lin all game... And he should also mention to Reke that the entire country will hear about him if he locks Lin up!
by rcervantes5 on Feb 15, 2012 10:13 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Oh, lord.
Because Ziller said this, there’s going to be a 50 point outing for Linsanity or something absurd. Have you not learned from Kobe??
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Feb 15, 2012 10:15 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Big underlying story here is that Lin is going up against Keith Smart.....
will Lin want to prove something to his former coach?
by Makdeeznut on Feb 15, 2012 10:28 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Interesting interview with Marcus Thompson on KNBR this morning
He’s a beat writer for the Dubs in the Bay Area. He says that Lin just wasn’t better than Monta Ellis or Steph Curry, so he had limited minutes to prove himself, although he could have gotten some of Acie Law’s burn.
He said Lin also worked tremendously hard on his game in the offseason and that Carmelo was pushing D’Antoni to get him in the lineup although the Knicks were considering cutting Lin earlier this season.
All in all, he sounds like a great kid who just worked his tail off to get better, and is taking advantage of his opportunity.
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I don't know how we are against the pick and roll this year
But we’ve been awful against it for the last couple of years. Considering the pick and roll is now the core of the Linsanity Knicks offense, that will be the key for us tonight. That said, Evans is a more than solid 1 on 1 defender at the point. Lin will likely match up with Thornton on D, I can’t imagine they’d want him guarding Tyreke.
I think this would be a big story no matter what team or city he played for.
I also think it is good for the NBA. The league can always use something positive to counteract all of the negative things that happen in the NBA. There are probably other players riding the bench somewhere, if given the opportunity, could become very good players. I wish the Kings could find one or two.
by Bill2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:35 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I do think it's a great story
No way it’s close to this big if it isn’t the Knicks. Not a chance.
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's really a good point
Although I’d argue it’s somewhat apples and oranges – since much of the Tebow story had more of a third rail quality to it (whether God was directly involved in Tebow’s success).
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep, that's another thing that Marcus Thompson mentioned this morning
Lin did the interview with Thompson strictly to discuss his faith and it’s impact on his success.
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No but he does play in the NFL
which is a totally different animal to begin with
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by Shizzo on Feb 15, 2012 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
O29
An Asian kid with a Harvard degree that has been cut from multiple teams has several 20 plus points games, a bunch of assists and scores 30 plus against Kobe and the Lakers and comes out of nowhere to do it. Big news, no matter what.
by Bill2 on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Disagree
If he’s doing this at Golden State, it’s probably a great story for the NBA fan. It’s not headlining GMA and the Today show.
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
would you say he's......
Linadequate?
Lincompetent?
Lincapable?
Lintimidated?
Linferior?
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
New nicknames to replace "LINsanity" when he loses to the Kings.
The LINdenberg disaster because his game went down in flames.
The Lindbergh tragedy because his game got kidnapped.
LINdsy because he played like a girl.
LINter because his game went ice cold.
I could go all day!!
by JohnSalmons19 on Feb 15, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
hahaha
i really like the Lindenberg Disaster as a title for tonights game.
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Feb 15, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Lin is a great story, and again points out the Kings need for a PG
I agree that Lin is a great thing, and many reasons for his rise (I think system fit is the biggest perhaps), and it shows how important a true PG is to a team’s overall success. NY has been winning because guys are now sharing the ball, and everyone feels a part of the game rather than watching Melo dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot. And that is the problem with forcing Reke to be a PG. (though I know he’s it for now). The Kings cannot function as well with Reke at PG, nor can Reke become the badass he is. I’m still pissed that Petrie etc did a terrible job of addressing this problem. Trade please. Do something.
Pretty hard to argue statistically
That the Knicks aren’t a much better team with Anthony on the court than off the court. He gets a ton of crap, but he’s still a very good NBA player – and his team is generally better with him playing.
What Lin is doing has nothing to do with the need for the Kings to add a “true PG”. Jose Calderon is a fine “true” point guard, but his team still sucks record-wise and offensively – and watch where he was on defense when Lin made the shot last night that won the game.
Again, there are two ends to a basketball court.
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If Lin doesn't make the two clutch threes late in that game
…everyone is talking about Calderon’s huge performance against him last night. Of course, it is Toronto (or Sacramento East), so there would not have been a lot of national press. But still, Calderon has been even more impressive of late since he’s been asked to carry more of the scoring burden.
[Yes, as you all know, I’m a big fan. I just think he is grossly underrated.]
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by RJinFairOaks on Feb 15, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
He's statistically one of the top "true" point guards in the league and plays nearly 34 minutes per game
And his team is one of the worst offensive teams in the league.
My beef isn’t with the idea of Calderon…it’s with this idea that the Kings as a team will only flourish once we have a “true” point guard.
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by otis29 on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
What Lin's doing absolutely has to do with the Kings need for PG.
I’m not claiming every team with a true PG is automatically good, but the Kings will be. And the Knicks are a much better team since they started Lin. They’ve won every game he’s played! Their record is better, and it’s because they finally have a PG. Everyone gets better because everyone starts being a part of the O. A flow starts to occur. And that is the same story with the Kings. They need a PG, or they’ll continue to suck (or grow one from their bench). Melo and Reke are similar, in that they are ball dominators, and should not be PGs. Yes, Melo was running a lot of point forward before Lin. It’s bad for the team, and bad for the players. Each grow more with a PG. I’m not saying the Knicks are worse with Melo, just that they have gotten much better with Lin. Melo may add to that.
I still feel like the Di'antoni's system is helping Lin thrive and he is taking full advantage of it
Much like Reke, Lin is still a guard that looks to penetrate and score first. The advantage he has is that he is effective in a screen and roll offense while the Kings overall have shown to not have the right personnel for that. Having a veteran pick and roll partner in Chandler helps greatly. Lin also tends to over dribble leading to his miscues and turnovers at a Westbrook like pace.
Against the Wolves and Raptors their final plays to win the game were a 1-4 flat with Lin at the top of the key. With the Raptors Lin asked if he could run an iso for himself and Di’antoni responded that he doesn’t even have to ask anymore. It’s like Reke and Westphal 2012.
I'd like to see back to back good games from Cousins and Tyreke
Kings seem to play well in New York, hopefully that trend continues.
I hate games before 5:00PM though, it will be another game where I set the DVR, then have to ignore all media and my cell phone until I catch up. Luckily after this road stretch the Kings never play before 5:00PM again
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 11:01 AM PST reply actions
Somewhat OT - Billy Ray Bates and Flip Murray
…but if you have ever read the great book the Breaks of the Game, the story of Billy Ray Bates out of Kentucky State was shared. During the early ’80s Bates took the league by storm before drugs and other evils took him out of the league. I actually think I just read Lin broke Bates record for most points by player in their first four NBA starts but may have this wrong. Bates was amazing for a very short period of time and it came completely out of no where.
I am glad someone mentioned Flip Murray, I remember being awed by what he did right of a DII school before coming back down to earth. I was actually on the campus of Shaw University in December for work – where Flip played. There are elementary and middle school’s with bigger gym’s then theirs. Flip was a great story to do what he did.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Feb 15, 2012 11:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
You mad, bro?
Lin wanted all of Deron Williams, John Wall, Kobe Bryant, Devin Harris, Ricky Rubio, and Jose Calderon.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
oh absolutely it goes both ways
just wasn’t sure where you were goin with it given you came strong out of the gates is all.
by wallywagon11 on Feb 15, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
What does your original statement mean?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm... Out of that list of names, I'm failing to see Tyreke Evans
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think he is referencing the Obituaries from the NY Times from last week.
After Linsanity swept the East Coast.
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by Wonderchild on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ya, he was
and I was saying that none of those players are Tyreke Evans.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 1:23 PM PST up reply actions
In case it wasn't mentioned above
I think Tyreke will be on Fields most of the time and Thorton will be in Lin. Lin will still have a big game but it wont be on Tyreke.
that makes no sense
Lin is a far greater threat. Thornton is a far inferior defender.
Someone help me to understand this.
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by Shizzo on Feb 15, 2012 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Linsanity?
More like in-san-I-T! Sorry NY, time to come back to reality.
by thewaterispoison on Feb 15, 2012 12:54 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
Totally going to be my Recap title if Kings win and Isaiah has a big game.
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Love this post Tom Ziller
It’s annoying how everyone thinks Lin is so good when Tyreke is better. It’s time Tyreke completely embarrassed and clowned lin. holding him under 10 points while getting a monster 32-11-10 triple double himself.
by CousinsEvansDUO on Feb 15, 2012 1:18 PM PST reply actions
We definitely haven't seen enough of Lin to say he is better OR worse than Tyreke.
If he keeps up what he has been doing the last 5 games, then he is a better player. I think he will drop a bit considering defenses haven’t adjusted and he hasn’t had to play through this compressed schedule like everyone else in the league. I don’t think he drops thaat much though as you can tell that he is definitely a very good player.
by vikinginferno on Feb 15, 2012 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is hilarious.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Bro, you're a homer.
No way Lin will get under 10 points when he takes 20 shots a game, no matter who defends him. And the fact that nobody can be good if somebody else is better is just dumb. Everyone can think they’re both good and everything will be okay.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Dude,
It is you and me tonight. I’ve been known to Reke a little Havoc.
Ha ha ha… it’s on, dude. Tonight, you’re coming to MY HOUSE.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 15, 2012 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cheering for NY tonight and I can't remember ever wanting the Kings to lose
I’m a diehard Kings fan but I’ve been following Jeremy for a long time. I met him a couple times when he was still in high school and he’s a solid kid surrounded by a well grounded family. What he is doing in the NBA has no real comparison. He’ll come down to earth sometime but hopefully not tonight.
You've gone Linsane.
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by Shizzo on Feb 15, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"A diehard Kings fan"
Ya, I’m going to have to call bullshit on that one after reading “cheering for NY tonight”. You can hope Lin has a great game, but the Kings still win you know…
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm a diehard Kings fan
I’m not cheering for NY tonight :)
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by lodisacfan on Feb 15, 2012 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
His diehardedness has died, hard.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 15, 2012 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm a super duper die hard!
Except for when the Kings play against one of the 29 other teams
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You can call it BS but it's true
My favorite King before Peja was Anthony Bonner…
I’m friends with the brother he’s been living with and I just can’t wipe this grin off my face with everything that’s been going on this week. Jeremy has been overlooked for far too long and has had to overcome more than almost any other player in the league to get noticed enough just to be waived twice. I’m hoping NY wins because Jeremy doesn’t care about individual stats…a great game for Jeremy is when they win.
Obviously I won’t be crushed if the Kings win.
"I won't be crushed if we win"
Now that is the mantra of a true die hard Kings fan right there.
by lchristmas on Feb 15, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It is not true
You can’t be a “diehard kings fan” and hope that they lose. That’s worse than dividing by zero
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 15, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rooting for the Knicks to win?
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No Die Hard fan
wants his team to lose.
I like Lin as much as the next guy, but against my team I hope we destroy linsanity.
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by Robby1987 on Feb 15, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
uhh Lin can have a great game, as long as the rest of the Knicks suck big time leading to a Kings victory
Sorry Lin, the streak ends now. Bayou Bomber, Reke, and DMC need to finish him!
by ina_118 on Feb 15, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cheering for NY tonight
wrong site for that unless you’re thinking draft pick.
Mirror on the wall
Here we are again.
by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 15, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Way to go Ziller.
How many games has tyreke shot less than 50%. Jeremy Lin will probably go for 40 tonight. If any team can keep a hype train rollin its your sacramento kings. Where losing by only 5 is acceptable. Where we have the best gm in the league( who hasn’t made a good move in 8 years) happens. Where we have the next superatar (Tyreke- who’s numbers have dropped every year since his rookie year) happens. Where an entire teams plays like dog shit just to just to get a coach fired happens.
You should be typing with your elbow hurting so bad from
polishing all those Knick trophys from 1960s
(PS at least our IT has a brain)
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
obviously should has a 'nt at the end
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
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by lchristmas on Feb 15, 2012 4:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I give it a C- at best
Try more subtlety next time.
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You talking about Westphal or D'Antoni?
Where an entire teams plays like dog shit just to just to get a coach fired happens.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Now I'm not saying Lin is better than Evans
This Lin thing is not about mere numbers, he’s breathed life into a NY Knicks organization that hasn’t had this kind of excitement in years. Can you honestly say the same about Tyreke Evans with the Kings?
by neutroticblazerfan on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM PST reply actions
Sorry about Kevin Durant
I’d probably lash out, too.
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Going from Ron Artest to having the RoY isn't exciting?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 16, 2012 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
This thread is working out well so far.
People forget that when Evans got his numbers the last half of his rookie year he was playing against the statbook not basketball. Lin’s getting these numbers as part of actually playing the game, not aiming for ridiculous round number averages to end the year.
I love Tyreke’s game, though he has plenty of work ahead of him still, but the 20-5-5 shit is still among the stupidest stuff this organization has ever done.
What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.
by Grasul on Feb 15, 2012 5:05 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Any stock tips, Tom?
I have a million dollars I want to lose so I don’t have to pay taxes on it.
Fun watching a kid with hype actually live up to it, though. Lin is abusing everyone who tries to guard him.
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by andy sims on Feb 15, 2012 5:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, some people actually took this seriously?
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