Kings 92, Cavaliers 93: Kings Snatch Defeat From the Jaws of Victory Once Again
For the 2nd game in a row, the Kings gave away a game they should have won through stupid mental lapses down the stretch. With Sacramento up by 1 points with 2.9 seconds left, Tyreke Evans fouled Kyrie Irving on what appeared to be a gamble for a steal, leading to two Free Throws and the lead for Cleveland with just 0.4 seconds left. DeMarcus Cousins' sweeping hook on the other end was short and Cleveland won the game. It was extremely frustrating to watch to say the least.
Despite the heartbreaking loss, the spectacular performance of Isaiah Thomas should not be overlooked. In just his 2nd game as a starter, Thomas almost had a triple-double, with 23 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds and a block to boot. He matched Cleveland's Kyrie Irving point for point, and did a good job defensively on Irving in the 2nd half. Marcus Thornton had a double-double himself with 21 points and 10 rebounds. DeMarcus Cousins did not have the best shooting game, but finished with 19 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists and 2 steals.
For Cleveland, Irving's 23 points led the team, none more important than those final free throws. 17 of those points came in the 1st half. Antawn Jamison also was a handful for the Kings with 21 points and 8 rebounds, and Ramon Sessions (14 points, 5 assists) and Tristan Thompson (15 points, 12 rebounds, 3 blocks) both made a nice contribution off the bench.
Neither team shot well. The Kings went just 37.6% from the field and the Cavs finished at 36.0%. The Cavaliers did make 7 three pointers to Sacramento's 4, and also had 22 made Free Throws to the Kings' 18. Despite the poor shooting, the Kings ball movement continued to be good, as they finished with 21 assists for the game.
The game started similarly to the last game against Detroit, with Sacramento pushing the tempo and getting a lot of baskets in transition. Isaiah Thomas and Kyrie Irving both squared off against each other and neither could really stop the other in that first quarter. Isaiah would come down and score and then Kyrie would come back and do the same. Jamison also got it going early, as Jason Thompson struggled to defend him. DeMarcus Cousins got into early foul trouble, picking up his 2nd foul after attempting to go coast-to-coast and straight up running into Ryan Hollins. It was a stupid, unnecessary foul and it cost the Kings a possession. Not only that, but it took Cousins out of the game, and the Kings are worse off without DeMarcus. DeMarcus stills picks up a couple of cheap fouls every game that he doesn't need, and this charge would not be his last one of the night. Later in the game he lost the ball in the post and lazily tried to swipe it away from Omri, hacking him across the arms for his 4th foul.
The second and third quarters were sloppy affairs that saw the lead go back and forth, with Cleveland usually just slightly ahead. It was during this part of the game that Ramon Sessions really got off to a hot start, not necessarily scoring the ball but getting into the lane at will and either getting to the line or finding someone for an easy basket as the Kings defense collapsed. The Kings could not really get anything going during these two quarters. Tyreke Evans continuously tried to score, but his jumper continues to be way off, and he found several of his drives to the basket stymied. Tyreke finished with just 10 points on an abominable 5-17 from the field. Jimmer Fredette, the Kings best scoring punch off the bench, played just 5 minutes, mostly in the 2nd quarter. He was in with Evans and Salmons, and the Kings opted to put him against the much taller Omri Casspi. Now Casspi wasn't really an offensive threat (he went just 3-12 from the field), but Cleveland attacked what they saw as a mismatch and got Jimmer out of the game with two quick fouls. He didn't come in again until the final possessions of the 4th quarter when the Kings wanted to spread the defense.
With Jimmer not playing much, that means someone else on the Kings bench was going to have to step up and provide some scoring. Nobody did. John Salmons played 20 minutes off the bench and scored 6 points on 7 shots, missing all three of his three point attempts. J.J. Hickson missed all three of his attempts and grabbed 4 rebounds. Chuck Hayes had just 2 points and 5 rebounds, but also 4 fouls in his 19 minutes. Hayes did a solid job defensively though. Donté played 16 minutes and had 6 points. That's a combined 14 points (on 7-19 shooting) and 12 rebounds for our bench, basically what Tristan Thompson alone did for Cleveland.
At the end of the 3rd and going into the 4th, it looked as if Cleveland was finally gaining some separation from the Kings, and with 10:52 left, the Cavs led 80-70, their biggest lead of the game. On the other end Tyreke missed a shot and Cleveland found a streaking Omri Casspi on the other end for what looked to be an open dunk. Tyreke came out of nowhere to block it though, and took it all the way to find Isaiah in the corner for a three, starting the Kings comeback. If Sacramento had won, this block would have been the turning point of the game.
Over the next three minutes, the Kings would get back in the game, eventually taking the lead back with 6:11 left as Isaiah Thomas drove and found a cutting Marcus Thornton for the layup to make it 84-82. All the baskets the Kings scored in this stretch were assisted, and the pace was very fast as Isaiah really pushed the tempo.
For the rest of the quarter, the lead went back and forth. The Kings had quite a few opportunities to take a two possession lead that they couldn't capitalize on. Eventually, with 35 seconds left Tristan Thompson tipped in a missed layup attempt by Kyrie Irving to tie the game up at 90 apiece.
The Kings missed a golden opportunity on this possession. DeMarcus caught the ball in the low post and was doubled, and he made a good decision to find the wide open man by passing the ball to John Salmons in the corner for three. Salmons attempt rimmed out, but Cousins got the rebound. His attempt was blocked by Thompson, but the Kings had yet another chance to score as Marcus Thornton came up with the ball in the paint. He missed everything on the short jumper though, and probably should have kicked it back out so the Kings could either call timeout or run one final play for either the win or Overtime. But he didn't, and DeMarcus was called for a loose-ball foul trying to go for the rebound, sending Alonzo Gee to the line with 6 seconds left.
Gee missed the first free throw, but sunk the second. Sacramento had plenty of time to score, and they actually ran a play in the final possession that wasn't the 1-4 flat! The Kings found DeMarcus Cousins in the post, and he took it to the baseline and laid the ball up softly off the glass to give the Kings the 92-91 lead with just 2.9 seconds left. All the Kings had to do was play defense for one possession. All they had to do was contest and make sure they didn't foul, for whatever reason.
But this is the Kings, so a foul is exactly what happened. Kyrie Irving inbounded the ball to Antawn Jamison and immediately received it back. The hand off by Jamison served to screen off Isaiah Thomas, leaving Tyreke Evans to prevent Irving from penetrating or getting a good shot off. Evans decides to try for the steal however, and fouls Irving as he runs by, sending him to the line with just 0.4 seconds left, giving the Kings almost no chance to respond if Irving makes both free throws. It was an incredibly dumb decision by Evans, especially considering that he has shown himself to be a good individual defender in these types of situations. It was not a bad call, whatever Keith Smart might say, and it was a foul, whatever Tyreke Evans might say. Even if he hadn't got called for the foul, gambling for the steal and letting Irving get right by still would have been a dumb play. Stay in front of him and force him to take a tough shot and live with the result.
Irving sank both free throws and as expected, the Kings couldn't convert with only 0.4 seconds to operate. They actually got two chances at it, thanks to the first inbound attempt hitting the rim first, which isn't allowed.
This was an incredibly frustrating loss, and it shows just how much this team has to grow before they can be considered a good team. The Kings have a really good shot at coming up completely empty on this road trip, with only trips to Miami on Tuesday and Washington on Wednesday left.
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NIce recap of the game at least.
This one hurt real bad tonight. IT had one helluva game, more IT please !! Getting past the 10 win mark is murder…
After watching the Kings game, their frustration finally boiled over . . .

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by Normdog on Feb 19, 2012 6:56 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Couldn't believe Tyreke reached for the steal in that situation, foul or not...
All he had to do was stay in front of him. Huge mental lapse by Tyreke there. Other than that, he had done a superb job defensively.
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Agreed.
I only saw the last two minutes of the game, but I felt like Tyreke tried to cheat on defense by going for a steal, as we’ve all seen him do several times in late game situations.
I wish he could have just focused on making the last shot hard for Irving, considering there was only 2.9 seconds on the clock. There’s already enough pressure on the offensive player with the clock, why give him an out? If Kyrie had made the game winner over solid defense from Tyreke, “Bravo, good for him, we lost another close one.” Instead, we’re left with the misery of losing the game, plus more fuel for the doubts about Tyreke’s decision making.
Tyreke has a very low basketball i.q
Kings really need to listen to offers for reke and build the team around Cuz!
by pakyubai on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
+1
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 20, 2012 9:10 AM PST up reply actions
I really disagree that Tyreke needs to be moved.
He missed a few layups in traffic inside that could have been called as fouls and gotten him FTs. Tyreke and DMC are good enough to build a potential playoff team around.
There just isn’t enough around them yet to win a lot of these games. IT and Thornton are great pieces around them and Jimmer will get there with experience, but other than that everyone else is very inconsistent both with energy level and execution. Hayes is starting to come around. Jimmer and IT cant be on the floor at the same time because of the defensive liability. Salmons now plays about the amount of minutes a normal bench guy should play. Donte doesn’t get enough minutes. Same with JT; when he is good he is great, when he is bad, he is very bad.
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by Wonderchild on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We don't have to trade Reke in order to build a team around Cuz.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Ya, I really don't get the TRADE Tyreke!!!
He’s the Kings second best player on the team and at the very worst he will be a good NBA player at best, he’s an all-star. Why would you just get rid of that? LOL
I forgot that if they aren’t an all-star, trade them!
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
In other words there is 12 other players on the team I'd rather see traded before Tyreke
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Right. No team has a roster of All-Star players.
Most are lucky if they have two. Cousins, if he keeps going the way he is going will undoubtedly be one. While Tyreke may not become an All-Star player, I don’t know if we can count him out just yet. The last thing we want to do is trade him then watch him become an All-Star player on another team.
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It baffles me that people think young talent develops over night
People will point out how Tyreke hasn’t developed(which I 100% disagree, it just might not be at the rate we all want), and those very same people are the ones saying Westphal was a horrible coach…
Could it have been that Tyreke hasn’t developed because he’s been stuck under Westphal? Give the 22 year old some time under Keith Smart before you go all chicken little on us please.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
Right. Development is not always linear.
There can be starts and stops, regressions, plateaus, and leaps forward in an athlete’s performance level. Last season was clearly a regression for Tyreke, but the plantar fasciitis may have been one factor and Paul Westphal’s suspect proficiency at coaching another.
Tyreke seems more like a hands-on kind of learner, to me. Someone who benefits from someone showing him how something is done and walking him through it rather than just telling him.
I think he has had some very good instruction from some of his previous coaches. As you point out HL, the fact that Tyreke didn’t flourish under Westphal may speak more to Westphal’s ineptitude as an instructor, than to Tyreke’s ceiling as a player.
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He must have had hands on instruction in order to learn how to
shoot a jump shot. He can’t be that slow of a learner but evidently he is. If anything he has regressed with his fall back technique. Wouldn’t you surmise that coaches would have him shooting jump shots in practice until he drops? Westphal created a monster with his 1-4 flat offense. Unfortunately, Reke had some success with a few game winning lay-ins. Now, he thinks he has to do that at the end of every close game. Defenses are aware of this and the result is either a turn-over or charging foul…..
I don't know that much about his early basketball development.
I remember reading somewhere, perhaps it was the Bee, that he was physically precocious, playing with high school players when he was in junior high. That isn’t too surprising since he is quite the physical specimen. He was raised primarily by his brothers. He was featured in the documentary Gunning for That #1 Spot (according to Wiki), which I haven’t seen. It does seem that someone took him under his wing (one of his brothers perhaps).
I don’t think Westphal offered much to advance Reke’s development. Smart at least is taking some time to work with him one-on-one. Reke seems like he is amenable to instruction. Someone just needs to take the time with him.
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It also explains his tendency to fade
a product of being young and smaller than the opposition. Those habits should be broken by now. He needs someone to work on form for a month and then go to 1 on 1 drills where he is not allowed to shoot closer than mid-range and gets corrected every time he fades. But he needs to do it 1 on 1 to replicate game conditions.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
That sounds like a good idea.
He should keep his goals limited, with breaking the fade away his primary one. Getting instant feedback would be good, as well as having each session taped to watch back later. I know he has worked with some trainers off-season, but sure it that was mostly for conditioning.
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^but not sure if it
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I'm not saying we trade him
But if you did get a chance to aquire an All-Star level player, well, we don’t have many other assets that have value.
Cousins looks almost ready to be an All-Star right now
When a ‘bad game’ for him is 19 and 9 in what should be 1/3 of the way through his 2nd season . . . .
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by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
If you could net an all-star
But with Tyreke’s injury last year and his horribly inconsistent play this year, he isn’t exactly Rekeing value at the moment.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
One thing you can take away from the game
Is that IT should be your starting PG from now on. Being able to be uptempo at the start of the game gives you a chance to have separation or at least not spend your energy playing catch up. But that would leave a scoring void for the second unit, which the Kings now need to work on. If that means leaving MT to be the primary scorer off the bench, or keeping Reke as your starting SF. Either way, I blame this loss on inexperience, but we are getting there. It seems that we have found a style of play to win or at least to compete.
This leaves the coaching staff
to figure out what to do with our bench (Salmons, Garcia, Greene, Outlaw, Jimmer, Hayes). One thing’s for sure, we need to get rid of some and trade for a much reliable SF. One that can be a 3 pt threat ala Batum.
Once the Kings get a good SF, I wouldn't mind seeing MT come off the bench
Starting Reke and IT in the backcourt. I like the idea of MTs role ala Harden, Terry, Manu, etc. Still gets plenty of playing time, and likely plays late in the fourth quarter.
This I agree with
Isaiah, Tyreke in the backcourt with a legit SF would be nice because then we have two very nice scoring punches off the bench in Marcus and Jimmer, that can play in various combos with those guys.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 19, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This sounds like an interesting idea.
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>my face when tyreke went for the steal

by Ricardo Audain on Feb 19, 2012 7:05 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
This is really grossing me out.
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0-6 trip would be very disappointing
Figured we had a good chance to win two of detroit, cleveland, wash. games. how’s that working out for me so far? yeah…
I said this at the end of the other thread
Smart needs to settle on a rotation & just stick with it. No more Salmons, Outlaw, & Garcia AT ALL. Limit Chucks & JJ’s minutes to fit with DMC’s foul situation & don’t be afraid to sit Reke for minutes if he isn’t playing well.
Ride IT, MT23, Reke, JT, DMC, Chuck, Donte, & JJ(I guess) until the damn wheels fall off. Salmons, Outlaw, & Cisco are colossal failures just chalk it up now.
by Allbenji on Feb 19, 2012 7:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Kings big acquisition… Salmons… stinking it up… Thank goodness for the amnesty provision.
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by kingme18 on Feb 19, 2012 7:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Love the quick and awesome game recaps Aykis. Thanks. Hate the loss. Reke?????
Love what IT and Cuz have done, but serious questions about Reke. I don’t think Reke yet understands the type of player he needs to be to succeed and help his team be great. He’s been allowed/forced to be the main ball handler/scorer his whole life, but that’s not what the Kings need. They need Reke to kick some ass defensively and learn to play off the ball. He can impact the game is all areas. Rebounding, D, etc…. I don’t know if he’ll ever get it. That’s the big ? to me.
I haven't seen In Petrie We Trust posted here in quite awhile.
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True. And I used to totally trust him, but how can you now?
It’s a bummer to see Thornton’s contract (ballhog 6th man), JJ, Outlaw pickups. Jokes. Terrible ball players. Chuck (we’ll see). And Jimmer/Salmons pick and deal was inexcusable. Don’t like either of them.
I have no complaints with Thornton. He's a shooting guard.
He’s supposed to shoot. At least he know how. Obviously needs to work on his defense, but shooting guards are not usually defensive stoppers to say the least. Love his fire, and he’s the reason the Kings have one some of their games.
I wasn't very clear about Thornton. My bad.
Thornton is fine, but in my mind, only as a 6th man. Don’t like him as a starter with Reke very much. But he’s a solid player. Not a great team player though. A true ball stopper. Which the Kings love, apparently. Too much $ for him though. Should have gotten a PG or 3. Didn’t.
Thornton=perfect 6th man
And I like Petrie, but he’s waaaaaaay overdue for a big move. If we get a solid big and a SF, this team looks dramatically different- and better, IMO.
Imagine: Cousins, Okafor? Smith?, New SF, Thomas, Evans. Thornton, Hayes, Jimmer, Greene, Outlaw as a bench. And, our lottery pick. We’re not the Thunder or Bulls, but we’re much improved.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 19, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah he's probably handcuffed financially
but you can’t just continue to add draft picks. At some point you become the Oakland A’s, waiting for your young stars to mature and then watching them leave for other teams.
He's not handcuffed financially anymore but he was before
He even said so in the Keith Smart introduction press conference. He just spent $57 million dollars on Salmons, Outlaw, & Hayes. Also another $30 million on MT23.
Being financially handcuffed is not an excuse anymore for Mr. Petrie. The 2011-2012 team is his baby. He needs to own it.
by Allbenji on Feb 19, 2012 9:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yet the Kings are still barely above the salary floor
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 6:49 AM PST up reply actions
AK47 was offered $30 million & Jamal Crawford around $14
That would have put us $16 or so million over.
by Allbenji on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The question is, would they have offered AK47, Dalembert and Crawford those salaries
if one of them would have agreed to it. To which I don’t know
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yes
Love Thornton as a sixth man, immediate offense and toughness. He’s just so much of a gunner when he starts next to Reke. Both guys natural instincts is for one on one basketball.
by youknowit100 on Feb 19, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not so sure with the current roster
With Tyreke on the floor I think you MUST have a shooter on the floor as well.
As of today, Marcus is the only shooter capable of playing big minutes.
Now, with a real SF . . . . . 6th man
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by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
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by HeuristicLineup on Feb 19, 2012 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I still maintain...
…Outlaw will be a solid—and popular—player before he’s done here. He’s clearly in a funk right now and stability may be what’s needed. He’s had 2-3 good moments, but has a long way to go.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 19, 2012 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
Nobody sucks like John Salmons
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I'm glad Westphal is gone.
Smart may not be our answer, but Westphal definitely wasn’t.
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Moreover
Westphal wasn’t just not the answer, he was a part of the problem I think.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 19, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Couldn't agree more Aykins. Only I'd be harsher....
I thought Westphal succeeded in almost completely tearing down the Kings franchise. The way he coached and dealt with players, moves etc, was horrible, and his attempt to shift the blame to Cuz was inexcusable. Disgusting, despicable, egocentric behavior.
And unfortunately, Petrie was complicit in this almost catastrophe. He gave (seemingly) PW way too much leeway.
I suspect Westphal played a big part in the acquisition of John Salmons.
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Yep.
Personally, I think he undervalued Beno’s contributions. Paul rarely acknowledged Beno’s play, usually focusing most of his admiration on Tyreke.
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I think it was less about Beno
and more the fact that he desperately wanted some form of consistency at the 3 spot, which is where most of his lineup changes centered on.
Speaking of that trade, all 3 SFs in that trade have just been terrible this year. Salmons is sucking, Maggette has been hurt and sucking, and Stephen Jackson and Scott Skiles can’t stand each other so he’s not even playing.
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Also, I think PW was in love with Reke and thought
he would do everything Beno could do plus a lot of other things not realizing Reke would take years and maybe never to develop a jump shot.
He was desperate for a SF
and I deeply understand that feeling. Even a mid-tier SF and we’d have 6-7 more wins I believe.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
As a child
he was also friends with Lee Harvey Oswald.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Isn't this what was reported out of the organization
Supposedly PW pushed for Salmons.
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by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Hayes got hurt and hasn't had enough time to get in to game shape IMO
I haven’t wrote him off yet.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 6:52 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, dammit
What’s Petrie thinking going for that steal?
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That was for the pic with reke in petrie we trust thing
I sure did not trust him on that pick….
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 19, 2012 7:22 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Anyone who can identify, who is not a happy camper.
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No, it is more of a joke than anything.
Some people lose a game with grace and dignity, while some people don’t deal well with losing anything. It is more in that vein. Just being upset that we are losing so much.
I can remember when I was a kid and playing a board game with a friend and I lost. I got so upset that I threw the whole board game up in the air and walked off. Obviously, I was a sore loser and didn’t handle the lose very well.
But right now? No, it is just a joke about losing a game and not being happy about it.
You are an inquiring person and I like that about you. Seems like you are curious about what is going on with a person. In Yiddish parlance, you are a mensch, someone who is thoughtful and caring and someone I would readily befriend.
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^handle the loss
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It's hard to handle
When you lose the game.
Rec’s if you get the inference…and lost ;).
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by HarveySpecter on Feb 19, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure we've all had our moments of
being a sore loser. I was just inquisitive about you posting the picture. Wasn’t sure if you were pointing it at someone, that’s all. Thanks for the kind words tho!
No, it was just a random thing. I was searching for gifs on losing and
happened upon this one. A lot of people on here like The Most Interesting Man in the World Dos Equis ads. I just thought a few people on here might identify with it and find it amusing.
But I have to admit that your questions caused me to pause a bit and examine my own anger. I wasn’t pointing at anyone on here.
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Smart diagrams the type of defense he wants to see.
by Bill2 on Feb 19, 2012 7:31 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
Throw in a jump pass and I think that's the Kings offense.
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by Exhibit G on Feb 20, 2012 6:46 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
There isn't that much movement in the Kings offense during an entire game
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by HighTops on Feb 20, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
One bright note - Smart continues to do the right things.
I love that Smart has started IT. Moved Reke over. Benched Salmons some. Etc. Etc. Seems like Smart almost always does what a good coach would do. I like him. Nothing but good things said about him from every NBA GM, journalist, expert I’ve heard/read.
Agree for the most part. However, he should have done it several games ago. I still question
some of his rotations.
Love Coach Smart. IT is awesome. Kings got back into the game when Hayes came in.
It was like a layup drill for the Cavs until then. Chuckwagon sees what the other team is tyring to do, and reacts accordingly. He is naKnuclehead.
Weeeeelllll.....
…not ALL the right things. His rotations are still a mess. Salmons gets way too much PT. No reason—-at all—-why IT and JT should have received such sporadic playing time in the fourth. Until we put IT back in the third, know how many assists we racked? That’s right- none.
The big glaring weaknesses continue to be four-fold: interior D, moving the ball, a consistent scorer from the wing- especially at the 3, and leadership.
Funny- one player could solve all those things.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 19, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
Lebron James???
That’s a lot of skills for one single player.
interior D, moving the ball, a consistent scorer from the wing- especially at the 3, and leadership
I didn't have one in mind, but
there are a few that could give us some of those things. Batum, Hedo, AK, etc. all come to mind. Complement that with a real PF and a bench role player, and this is a different team.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 19, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Whaat?
I know we’re not talking about Hedo and D in the same sentence.
by misterbrister on Feb 20, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
thank you
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Great recap – per usual. Thank you for stating in very clear terms that it WAS a foul in the last 2 seconds, despite what Smart, Evans, and Peaches claim. I laughed out loud when Peaches showed the replay, expecting to be able to dump on the referee, but all we heard was s i l e n c e, except Jerry pretty much acknowledged that it was a foul. Then Napear has the nerve to call it a ‘controversial’ win because of that play. It was just a mistake. If we can’t even admit that the team can make an error in judgment, there is a long way yet to go.
by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 19, 2012 7:52 PM PST reply actions
Yeah. It was a foul
I was screaming at the television screen, “Don’t foul him no matter what you do,” but Reke did it anyway. He probably was going for the steal, but this probably wasn’t a good time to do this since the risk of fouling him was great. I’m sure Reke feels terrible about it and has to endure looking at the playback a few times. It was just a mistake. Unfortunately, it probably cost us the game.
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If he was going for the steal
it was a phenomenally moronic, idiotic, unforgivable, stupid, poorly reasoned and dumb idea
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Yeah it looked like maybe he thought they had a foul to give
But who knows.
I agree, that's exactly what it looked like
For a second I thought, oh, do they have a foul to give? But then quickly realized, no, Tyreke is just a dumbass apparently.
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It wasn't Reke's shining hour...
but, he is still a young player. Sure, he should have known better, but he probably did it as an instant reaction to get the ball.
It is another learning experience for him. I would hope this will make a lasting impression on him and that he won’t make the same mistake at some point in the future when the team is at the final seconds of a playoff or championship game.
Think of these missteps as part of an extended dress rehearsal working up to the games that really matter. Think how horrible this would be in game 7 of a championship series.
It is also a learning experience for Smart. It tells him that he cannot assume that his players know this stuff. He still has to remind them.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 19, 2012 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Tyreke is so used to how WE(he) try to make the winning shot
that is, a forced jumper off one foot from 22—24 feet almost no matter the situation
- he was just surprised when Knight tried to get closer.
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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Good point.
He may have played out in his mind what would likely happen and Irving did something he hadn’t anticipated and he just reacted.
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To me, it looked as if
Tyreke, really thought they had a foul to give. He intentionally reached two hands out and put them on Irving.
No he didn't
He did the same thing he did here. He was just called for the foul this time.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
No.
Arenas dribbled the ball right across Evan’s body with a crossover – fully exposing it to the swipe. Irving had the ball tucked in his left armpit basically and Evans had to reach across his body, making contact, and fouling him.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Right....?
I didn’t say that he didn’t foul Irving…
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
But he didn't foul Arenas.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 20, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Havent watched the game yet..
going to watch the recording, it seems like it was a good game. What does everyone think of Ramon Sessions? Ive always thought he could be a good addition to the team, and it seems like he’s always on the trading block.
Sign him up.
True PG, and could push Evans to his natural position, SG. Plus, entering his prime- I’d love it.
by KevinSalvadori on Feb 19, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Enjoy the game. IT was on fire. When you get to the last five seconds of the game
press “stop” and change the channel.
Shouldn’t you have to be able to shoot and make shots to be a SG? A higher bb iq wouldn’t hurt either.
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by SayWhat? on Feb 19, 2012 9:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Allen Iverson says otherwise
Though he played the 1 a lot, many had him as a 2 as well
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
Any loss is tough, but l have to reflect a minute here
The Kings were competitive. They executed much better down the stretch and they didn’t really collapse in any quarter to lose the game. It was tough to lose, but damn it was an exciting game. And, I think that we saw a remarkable game from IT and overall the team played better with him in the 4th quarter.
I say this is a moral victory and will take solace in that fact that it was a solid effort and the Kings were in it the whole way, it was entertaining, and I enjoyed it.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
A moral victory against a Cavaliers team that played just 8 guys because that's all they had available?
Anderson Varejao was out and he’s been amazing for them this year. Anthony Parker and Daniel Gibson were out and they’re solid veterans. We should have taken advantage of them being beat up, and we didn’t. There’s no moral victory here aside from the fact that IT continues to far surpass any of our greatest expectations.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 19, 2012 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I will take what I can get
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
You can't get that one.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I will say this...
Maybe I am not thinking of moral victory in the traditional sense. A loss that had some huge redeeming qualities. So, yeah, I can see you taking issue with that verbage, or nounage really.
However, that said, as a Kings fan I guess I resort to looking for the negatives in the crap that is so often the realities of this team’s play. I look for growth and development that will lead us to a better team.
IT may just be part of the teams future. If he can keep playing like he has been then that is huge and is a silver lining of a sort. It may not be a ‘moral victory’ but it is something worth considering as a win of a sorts.
I remain positive and take away what I can from each game. No matter the final score. Maybe ‘moral victory’ wasn’t the right choice of words.
Oh well.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 20, 2012 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
If this is the result of tomorrows game
We can call that one a moral victory
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
IT had a good game...
Moral victory yet?
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 21, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but sometimes it feels like a one handed clap
There is just something missing…….
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 21, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
This didn't seem like a game with a moral victory.
It had a great game as an individual player, but that was bittersweet because he didn’t get the kind of accolades and attention he would have had the team won.
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IT continues to far surpass any of our greatest expectations
Funny, from what you were saying before the draft, I sort of thought this is what you expected from him.
I thought he was going to be a good player eventually
I didn’t think it would be this soon, and I didn’t think he’d see the playing time needed to get the opportunity to do so. But Isaiah has had a history of far surpassing anyone’s expectations of him, so I guess this isn’t any different.
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They pretty much collapsed in the second and third quarter,
they gave up I think eleven points between those two quarters. I do agree with the rest of what you wrote though.
The Kings losing a tough fought game.
That is what I saw. And the Kings just aren’t that great of a team. So, them playing anybody on their home court isn’t an automatic or expected win no matter the team or how bad their record. Or even how many injuries they have and holes in their roster.
I didn’t see the losses in those quarters as a collapse. We went down and fought back each time. Runs answered by runs. Not the past holes dug that we had a hard time climbing out of…
Teams that have been as bad as these Kings have to learn how to win. It is going to take getting close to it before we can arrive. Sometimes just knowing you are on way is good enough and that is a moral victory for me.
I see improvement and development. Cuz is just about Mr. Consistent right now. IT is stepping up and playing ball. Tyreke is FINALLY being taught something by a coach.
Sure, I hate to lose, but after the depths to which this team has sank it is just good to know that it is finally turning around.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dunno bout the moral victory per se
but an interesting perspective
by wallywagon11 on Feb 19, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ok. I know I am being a downer
But DMC shot 6-17, and you are praising him for being Mr. Consistent?
by MichaelMack on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 AM PST up reply actions
19 and 9 was a 'bad' game for him
30 games into his 2nd season.
Yes, yes, I worry for his future!
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
I do worry about overpraising
After seeing Tyreke’s middling progress, though I think it was PW’s lack of constructive criticism that has led to him to still making rookie-ish mistakes several 4th quarters in a row six thousand minutes into his career. I love so much about DMC, mainly because I think rebounding is a 4/5’s main job and a humongous part of the game (both in keeping the other team from getting second chance points, as well as the benefit of getting our own). Maybe my only concern with DMC is how much he wants to shoot, and the decisions he makes trying to get those shots. 6-17 is an ugly game shooting wise, and he has hit only half of his shots in 12 of the 30 games this year, and was notably inefficient on offense last year. I hope Smart can help him work on some simple right and left handed jump hooks, as though he does not have a lot of lift, he is certainly strong enough and wide enough to get that off consistently, and it is a high percentage shot. More of a high percentage shot that his finger rolls that seem to get blocked consistently, or his dribble drives that end up being charges. I know he is so young, but these are the formative years, so I hope building and offensive repertoire that matches his physicality and skill set is what he is working on, because as a team, if our three best players are DMC, Reke, and Thornton, we are not going to win a lot of games with them shooting 44%, 40%, and 41% respectively. Last night against a weak defensive team they shot 19-54.
by MichaelMack on Feb 20, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
IT talking on camera; Reke rexting in the background

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by darooster on Feb 19, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Also, this

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by darooster on Feb 19, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If this is anything like a Kings game, this probably happened in the last 2 seconds of the game.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 19, 2012 8:10 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
What happened to my gif? It seems to have died.
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It's still working Slam
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
Okay, for some reason it stopped the animation even after I refresh.
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Probably a temporary freeze
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
Tough tough loss . . . time to feed the dog
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
by Normdog on Feb 19, 2012 8:12 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
best dog costume EEVVVEERRRRRR
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I didn't realize this was a real dog at first.
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The 2 blown fast breaks in tge first half really figured into thr outcomr unfortunately
Thomas between the legs fail,and Evans low pass to M23. It’s hard to see a pro team screw up a 2-1,3-1 as consistantly as this team.
So glad we finally have a pg who actually has a lil ball I.q.Sad to see Evans regressing . It baffled me to see him make so many bone headed plays,and terrible shots at the wrong time. Westphall didn’t do any coaching and hurt a lot of our young players progress.
It’s really been fun watching Thomas push the ball. I’ve seen more passes to Cuz the last 2 games that led to layups which is what a doubt should do find guys easy buckets. All Evans does is drive and dish and with our sorry shooting that won’t always work. Really excited about Thomas and Cousins. Wouldn’t mind trying to dump Evans I doubt after 2.5 years he is gonna get all of a sudden. Can’t shoot still dude is lazy defender he could be great.Also would Luke a new g.m. and owners while were at it
by WE NEED A DEFENSIVE MINDED CENTER on Feb 19, 2012 8:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed, every possession counts and those were some big screwups that cost us a couple of easy baskets
I thought Isaiah had gotten hurt on that play, but on the replay it looks like he was just trying to do too much. On the Evans break, he probably should have thrown it ahead to Isaiah instead of Marcus, and when he did choose to pass to Marcus, he shouldn’t have gone for the bounce pass.
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I wouldn't even think about moving Reke
Unless they were getting young, all-star quality back. Give him some more time with his jumper.
by Crocoduck on Feb 20, 2012 8:04 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not to mention some time with Keith Smart
Smart has Tyreke improving his style of play. Smart has coached the Kings for 24 games and has had even less practices. It’s going to take some time to beat the Westphal out of him.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
Agree 100%
I love hearing that he’s been receptive to Smart’s coaching and is eager to do what he asks.
I've liked Tyreke's off the ball movement this year so far.
and it should get even better now that IT is starting.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
I think that's one of the things he can get better at right away
while he continues to work on his shooting
it's not a good sign when you can kind of relate to a fail gif
on the plus side, my childhood was awesome
by wallywagon11 on Feb 19, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There may be disappointment at times, but love remains.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 19, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Yikes
“No, even with that pick, you can still trade him or do other things with that pick,” Hickson said. “I didn’t see that coming at all. Unfortunately it happened, and I’m a Sacramento King now. We’re all pros.”
Ouch, he doesn't sound like a happy camper
(referring to the trade from the Cavaliers to the Kings) “Unfortunately it happened, and I’m a Sacramento King now.” – JJ Hickson
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JJ is a chump
he’s actually a talented player if he would play to his strengths and be a weakside crasher and rebounder. He’s just young and dumb like most of our players and thinks he needs to shoot 18 footers every damn time he gets the ball. The most important thing this team needs to do is add SMART players.
by youknowit100 on Feb 19, 2012 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
JJ is good if he has a very talented PG/set up man to play with
The Kings have average/below average set up men, so JJ looks pretty bad. If he were on a team like say, the Suns, JJ would look awesome.
In all due respect, that is not his problem.
When he plays to his strengths, playing near the basket, he does very well. His problem is not the other players, it is his own poor decision making to decide to shoot baskets on the perimeter. Sounds like Smart has talked to him about this, but he keeps doing it. The problem is with him.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2012 7:48 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cavs announcers metioned the poor body language of both Hickson and Salmons
Guess they miss the cosmopolitan allure of Milwaukee and Cleveland.
by blknblu on Feb 19, 2012 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's interesting they would notice that.
Pretty sad when the announcers can see they are unhappy.
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Because Sacramento is sooo much more appealing than either of those cities.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Article from two days ago speculating IT could do
what Irving has done for the Cavs. Talk about nailing it.
Thanks for the link. Great read.
And should be required reading for anybody doubting the wisdom of starting IT at point guard.
by rstewartwest on Feb 19, 2012 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
The only thing the article didn't mention is...
IT also seems to have the best basketball i.q. on the team.
by rstewartwest on Feb 19, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible IT is the answer at PG?
Just wondering what would prevent IT from being a viable starter in the NBA? Height? Other??
And I want IT to always start so we get to see how Reke perfom’s at the 2.
Why not?
He produces results across the board. Offense runs much, much better when he is running the show. He plays, arguably, the best defense on the team. His hustle and good approach to the game is clearly infectious. Just watch the team when he is in. He doesn’t cotton to the bullshit no plan offense others try to run and waves them to their places and gets things back on track. He is exactly what this team needs. Oh, and he’s an absolute blast to watch play.
by rstewartwest on Feb 19, 2012 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
IT is the new Spud Webb
At least from my perspective, fun to watch and I would be happy to have his BKB IQ and heart be the KINGS PG.
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
His weakness is more size than height per se...
A few years ago, I would say a larger, stronger PG would post him up and bump him around to take advantage of his height, but there are very few PGs left that actually work on their post game that it isn’t a huge issue anymore. Only Billups, CP3, Andre Miller, Jason Kidd come to mind that still do that on occasion.
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What this game has made clear to me
is that we now have 5 decent NBA starters and not 1 guy who has proven so far this season as being a consistent off the bench guy.
In absence of current skill level I say go with the first round pick, the only other guy shooting 40% on the team (with at least 3 shots) and whichever of the 2 bigs wins at roshambo with the other. Or in lieu of the half court shot a random fan gets a chance to suit up and play 10 minutes. If they score they win a truck.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Feb 19, 2012 8:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
It's because we've so devoid of depth that we're starting players that should be filling a bench role.
Put IT and Marcus Thorton on any other team and they wouldn’t be starting. IT is the only real pg on this team and should be starting for that reason, but he shouldn’t be pegged as the pg to build this team around. In an ideal situation he’d be filling a role of a JJ Barea as an off the bench sparkplug. Same goes with Thornton, he’s a shooter but is he really a starting 2 that can cover and play both sides of the court? Don’t think so.
This organization has completely skewed our perception of what an NBA roster looks like by acquiring a bunch of scrap-heap players in the offseason and failing to assess the pg position until the last pick of the draft.
by Ricardo Audain on Feb 19, 2012 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Bitter pill but accurate
Though I would argue that we have some solid pieces to build on. Cousins is a future all-star. Evans could be if he can develop his shot. He may be anyway. Thornton should be a scorer off the bench. If we develop some of the other young talent and get them playing as a team who knows.
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Completely agree on Cousins
and Evans also if he develops a jumper respectable enough to be a good 2 guard and not have to worry about directing traffic at the 1.
by Ricardo Audain on Feb 19, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
I love IT but I'm inclined to agree
but just because a player isn’t a starter doesn’t mean they can’t be the heart of the team. I’m looking at Jason Terry and James Harden. I think IT can be that type of guy. On the other hand, I’ve learned not to put anything past IT until he proves he can’t do it.
by Skeptical Dawg on Feb 19, 2012 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
How about picking up a D League PG?
I’m pretty impressed with what Jerry Smith has managed to do. He has some maturity and has completely changed his game to get a shot at the NBA.
Which 5?!
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
I'll see yout sigh
and raise you an “oh….damn”.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Thief
(sigh)
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Did anyone here ever see that old Looney Tunes episode
where Yosemite Sam Had Bug’s Bunny keep hitting him with things until Yosemite Sam learned to not get mad? That’s what i feel like. I’m Yosemite Sam and the Kings are Bugs Bunny hitting me with things. Sometime, I think it happened after the Phoenix game, I reached that point where I no longer get mad when bugs Bunny hits me.
Yeah... I get that.
I try to take away as many positives and realize the negatives are part of the growing process…
"I gotta have more cowbell"
by CowbellKings on Feb 19, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Damn you!
I’ve been pretending I didn’t feel that way. But you describe it exactly.
by rstewartwest on Feb 19, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
As a complete sidenote
Goin to be off the internet grid for awhile. Might stop in really quick once or twice before the vote on the 28th but that’s about it. Take care everyone.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 19, 2012 9:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Later Wally =)
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
Does this mean we are off the Wagon?
Crap I have to look my own stuff up now.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Feb 19, 2012 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Take care, Wally.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 19, 2012 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brother best be sending some postcards
And the good ones too Wally! High gloss and shit, don’t be sending no 99cent inkjet stuff. I don’t hear that noise, prepay that postage, yeah.
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by iashwash on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Of funny thing that I haven't seen anyone mention
Did anyone see Cousins literally pick IT up off the ground after he slipped? Not help him up, actually picked him up like a little kid, lol.
Oh yes
Cracked me up. I mentioned the same during the in game thread. Not quite as good as earlier in the year when Cuz carried IT craddled in his arms in to the tunnel.
by rstewartwest on Feb 19, 2012 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Ha yep, that was hilarious.
If someone could gif that, that’d be amazing.
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Cuz might become the heart of this team...
now if we only had a brain.
by polotown on Feb 20, 2012 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
That's an early candidate for Comment of the Week
rec’d
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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Feb 20, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
So, in this picture...

Cousins with the heart, would be the tin man; IT with the courage, would be the lion; in search of a brain, we need someone to play the strawman.
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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2012 6:26 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Davis, Gilchrist, Barnes
That’s where I’m at right now. And Gilchrist/Barnes are like 2a and 2b in my book.
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(sigh)
I was really hoping we wouldn’t be talking draft half way through the season :’(
It seems like every second I’m patrolling the rumor sites praying I see something, ANYTHING involving the Kings. I know GP doesn’t work like that & a rumor would just be a rumor but damn! Give me something to grasp to please
by Allbenji on Feb 19, 2012 10:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lurker, I don't think you want Barnes
Streaky college shooter who doesn’t play with any kind of assertiveness. He’ll be bizzaro Marvin Williams, but instead of a decent defender and rebounder he’ll be a decent spot up shooter who is talented enough to be a lot more then that. I don’t think he will care enough about the game to ever be more then that, I’d take Gilchrist myself if you wanted a 3.
Been watching Kidd-Gilchrist all season
He is going to be a good NBA SF; trainable, good defender, length, nice shot but not a ball hog. Would work very well in the Kings line-up, BUT he is young. OTOH it’s not like he won’t get plenty of playing time early. I hope we get him.
Barnes, I’m not sold on.
Gilchrist looks a little bigger than Reke
I haven’t watched him much, but I would not want the Kings to fall into the Evan Turner trap, landing a guy projected as a SF who turns out to be a SG.
Gilcrist is listed as 6’7". He looks about 6’5".
My impressions of Gilchrist is a guy who has a impressive combination of finesse and power to his game, and a lot of skill, but he looks too small to play SF.
Harrison Barnes is a tough read, but I haven’t watched him much either. I cannot tell yet if he is too mechanical or fundamentally sound. If he is the former, he is going to lack the scoring creativity to be an NBA star. If he is fundamentally sound, then he will prove to be a better pro. Right now. I am skeptical, but he does have a pretty jumper.
Smart Era, y'all.
I don't think Gilchrist handles well enough to be considered a 2
On his size I think hes athletic enough from a strength and quickness standpoint to play bigger then he is, granted I don’t know how big he really is exactly. I think hes a legit 6’7 that has awful posture, but I could be wrong. The thing about him is that he plays tough, especially on defense which is something the Kings could benefit from I think. He also seems to be a really good teammate who can adjust his game to be a really good player off the ball or with it in his hands.
Again, I don’t like Barnes. Not assertive with the ball and a timid player on both ends overall. I don’t think its his fundamentals but his mind that hold him back, I don’t think he really wants it or he would have made a bigger leap in year 2 then he has. Just my opinion, he can shoot the hell out of it though.
Are there any SFs (besides Kidd-Gilchrist) in the draft that you think would be a good fit with the Kings?
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Thomas Robinson
tough enough to 4, quick enough to 3
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks. I haven't been watching him and will now.
I seem to have an aversion to Kansas basketball…don’t know why. I see a Kansas game and change the channel.
Aykis, have you seen Jeff Taylor out of Vanderbilt?
He’d be a nice fit at SF and he probably won’t be drafted in the lottery.
"the only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars" — Jack Kerouac
But the Kings will be in the lottery
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Yeah, I was hoping we could possibly get a big in the lottery (to pair with Demarcus)
And then try to get Jeff Taylor in the latter first round. We would need to get another first round pick (probably highly unlikely, but just a thought/fantasy).
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I have not, so I don't know much about him
The little college basketball I’ve watched so far has been focused on probably lottery picks.
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Besides Davis, are there any particular bigs (in the lottery range) that you think would be a great fit for the team?
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Lot of potentially good bigs in this draft, but each with a couple of question marks
Andre Dummond is an athletic monster, but he’s kind of in the Amar’e Stoudemire mold of “Why play defense when I can play offense?”. Still, I obviously wouldn’t mind an Amar’e Stoudemire like talent if that’s actually the level Drummond is at.
John Henson of North Carolina is kind of like a poor man’s Anthony Davis. Actually kind of reminds me of the last big prospect from North Carolina, Ed Davis, who is in Toronto right now.
Perry Jones is a 3 in the body of a 4. He could be a Lamar Odom type guy, or he could be Michael Beasley or even worse. Lot of questions about his attitude and work ethic, and where he exactly fits in the NBA. Potential intrigues me though.
Jared Sullinger is a guy I’m not interested in because while he’s a premier low post scorer, I think he’ll have trouble fitting in the NBA. He probably would have been the #1 pick last year though. Pairing him up with Cousins probably wouldn’t be that great defensively, but offensively, it could be a nightmare for opposing teams. He’s not the sexy pick this year, but he’s probably one of the most NBA-ready players, and depending on the situation he finds himself in, a probable Rookie of the Year candidate. Not sure how high his ceiling is though.
Definitely going to be an interesting draft, lots of intriguing prospects.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 19, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Aykis!
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What about Robinso on KU?
Everytime I’ve watched them play he’s been a beast
by elSAVinator on Feb 20, 2012 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
I think John Henson would be a great fit
He doesn’t look as talented as the guys that will go in the top 5, but if the Kings pick in the 8-10 range, I’d be happy with him.
How does a guy have trouble fitting in the NBA and be probable ROY candidate?
I think if Jared Sullinger was likely to be picked first, he would have entered. He was not in good shape the last year, and this would have been revealed in pre-draft workouts. He is in better shape now, but he made the smart decision to return to college.
Jared Sullinger reminds me of Boris Diaw, and I don’t mean that as a compliment.
Smart Era, y'all.
Boris diaw is a tall guy who wants to be a guard
Sullinger is the opposite, an undersized big who got away with it in college (byron houston, sean may, ike diogu, sheldon williams, just the painful examples from close to home) I think he flops in the nba.
by lchristmas on Feb 20, 2012 7:57 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
"flop" is too strong a word
I don’t think he’ll produce as a top 5 pick should
by lchristmas on Feb 20, 2012 8:07 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I like Sullinger
and think he will be a solid NBA player. Star? Can’t say. He has some Elton Brand like qualities (pre-injury): a low post stud, rebounds above his size and has very good BBIQ.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
I kindly disagree with your assessment of Drummond
I think he is in the same realm as Barnes in that he is not assertive on offense at all. The one thing he does is rebound and shot block extremely well. He has a high basketball IQ, which makes his potential to become Amar’e 2.0 very good, but he disappears. Perry Jones scares me most because he has all world talent, but will play magician and disappear moreso than Barnes or Drummond. He gets rattled easy too.
Barring Sac getting #1, they should target Gilchrist. He’s a 3 who doesn’t need shots to impact the game and projects to become an elite defender. Something the Kings sorely lack.
Not so fun fact:
Kings only made 4 three-pointers. 3 of them were from IT who was 3-7, everybody else combined for 1-12.
More fun facts:
the Kings were 27 of 54 or 50% inside 9 ft. They were 8 of 37 outside 9 ft for 21.6%.
56% of their 23 baskets at the rim were assisted. and 60% of all our baskets were assisted
Our starting 5 were 10 of 36 or 27.8% on all shots away from the rim.
If we had only shot our league worst 40.9% FG% against the Leagues 9th worst defense we would have won the game by 5.
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Yep. There were a lot of lower percentage shots outside 9 feet taken that I bet a lot of
guys wish they hadn’t taken today when they look at the tape. Many of those shots were taken with a lot of time left on the clock. I don’t know why they didn’t try to use that time to get a higher percentage shot. I wonder if it is a matter of confidence in the other players. Could they be concerned about turning the ball over? I don’t get it.
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So, HT, you are saying Kings are getting better?
56% of their 23 baskets at the rim were assisted. and 60% of all our baskets were assisted
Baby steps HT…
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by Wonderchild on Feb 20, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
As a University of Washington student and lifelong Seattle resident
I’d like to say I prefer seeing IT in a Kings uniform then I would seeing him in a Sonics uni. Much as i’d love to see IT back in Sea-town, I love what he’s doing for you guys down there and its way fun to see the little guy killing it on ESPN.
Hopefully you guys get to hang around. Even if the Sonics came back, i would honestly hate to have it be at the expense of Sacramento
by baltergeist on Feb 20, 2012 2:37 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Thanks. I am really enjoying IT.
Small guy with big guy mentality running circles around guys much bigger than himself. Quite a story. I hope we will continue to watch it unfold in Sacramento. He has taken a big step up, becoming the starting point guard for us and doing an amazing job both nights he was put into that role. He held his own against the # 1 rookie pick Kyle Irving.
Hope you guys get a team, so long as it isn’t the Kings.
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I pin this loss on Smart
He should have had Isaiah Thomas covering Irving on the last play. Tyreke hadn’t covered him all game and isn’t quick enough to stop his penetration. Thomas had done an excellent job limiting Irving in the second half.
Maybe Smart wanted to prevent Irving from shooting the long ball over Thomas by playing the taller Tyreke on him, but he picked his poison and lost.
Kyrie Irving reminds me a lot of Tyreke, except that he’s better and can shoot. He’s going to be a superstar.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Smart did have Thomas guarding Irving
but Jamison set a screen for Irving. Even tho there was less than 2 secs on the clock and probably not enough time to pass the ball and get a shot off, Thomas switched and went with Jamison instead of staying with Irving. I don’t know if Smart told them to switch on every screen, but the Kings would have been better off leaving Jamison, and doubling up on Irving.
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It wasn't much of a screen
More like a quick handoff/soft screen to get the ball back to Irving. It looks like the Kings were almost in some kind of zone, with Tyreke having responsibility up top, where Irving ended up going. Tyreke has already switched onto Jamison on the play.
It looks like Thomas could have stayed on Irving or doubled him, but someone had to stay on Jamison as well, so they switched. Props to Byron Scott for drawing up a well-designed play with multiple options and the ball in the hands of his best player and playmaker.
"His D was a difference at the end."
I thought the switch was instructed by Smart to be honest
That wasn’t a real screen and Thomas could have easily stayed with Irving.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 20, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
It is very common to switch everything in that situation
Everything went fine until our superstar went hero mode, horrendously stupid play
by lchristmas on Feb 20, 2012 8:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions

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