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The 2009 PG Draft Progress Report


The draft in 2009 was said to be a weak draft by most experts going into the draft, but a draft filled with PG’s. In fact 12 of the first 29 picks were PG’s, including the number 4 pick in the draft,Tyreke Evans. Now that they have all had time to settle into the league for 2 ½ years, I wanted to see the progress they have made and how they might be drafted now if was done all over again.

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The 12 Pg’s that I mentioned are Tyreke Evans (4th), Ricky Rubio(5th), Jonny Flynn(6th), Steph Curry(7th), Brandon Jennings(10th), Jrue Holliday(17th), Ty Lawson(18th), Jeff Teague(19th), Eric Maynor(20th), Darren Collison(21st), Rodrigue Beabois(25th), Toney Douglas(29th). Wow, that is quite a talented group of players for what most experts said was going to be a weak draft. Not to mention that draft also produced Blake Griffin and James Harden.

So what makes a good PG? I’m not even going to try to get into that, because evryones opinion varies and their really is no one good answer. I believe that a good PG has to be tough, a leader, and make his teamates believe he has their best interest in mind and not his own. Of the list of Pg’s I’ve made, lets see who does what well in . I will put the top 5 of each statistic, along with Tyreke’s if he is not part of the top 5 because he’s the Kings roster so it makes sence. I will also not be including Flynn, because he is out of the NBA.

First we will take a look at the shooting numbers FG%, 3pt%

Career FG% 1. Lawson 50% 2. Curry 47% 3a. Collison 46% 3b. Beaubois 46% 5a. Teague 44% 5b. Holliday 44% 7. Reke 43%

2011/12 FG% 1. Curry 2a. Lawson 47% 2b. Teague 47% 4. Collison 44% 5a. Reke 41% 5b. Holliday 41% 5c. Beaubois

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Career 3pt% 1. Curry 44% 2a. Lawson 38% 2b. Holliday 38% 4a. Collison 37% 4b. Teague 37% 11. Tyreke 27%

2011/12 3pt% 1. Curry 45% 2. Teague 44% 3. Holliday 39% 4. Collison 38% 5. Jennings 34% 11. Tyreke 24%

Well, if you want a point guard that can shoot the rook, look no further then Curry, Lawson, Teague, Holliday and Collison. They all shoot at an average or better clip.

Now for the distributor portion. We will look at ASST/TO rate.

Career ASST/TO 1: Maynor 3.1 2: Lawson 2.8 3: Rubio 2.6 4: Teague 2.4 5: Collison 2.3 10. Tyreke 1.8

2011/12 ASST/TO 1: Collison 2.7 2a: Lawson 2.6 2b: Rubio 2.6 4: Teague 2.5 5a: Jennings 2.4 5b: Maynor 2.4 10. Tyreke 1.8

Distributing wise, it’s pretty self explanitory since most of the guys are on both list. Collison, Rubio, and Maynor seem to be the biggest pass first PG’s

Now for the untangibles. We’ll look at REB, STL

Carrer REB 1. Tyreke 5.1 2. Rubio 4.2 3. Curry 4.1 4. Jennings 3.5 5. Holliday 3.3

2011/12 REB 1. Tyreke 5.1 2. Rubio 4.2 3. Curry 3.9 4a. Lawson 3.4 4b. Jennings 4c. Collison

Career STL: 1. Rubio 2.4 2. Curry 1.7 3. Tyreke 1.5 4. Jenings 1.4 5. Holliday 1.3

2011/12 STL 1. Rubio 2.4 2. Curry 1.8 3. Teague 1.7 4a. Jennings 1.6 4b. Holliday 1.6 6. Tyreke

If you want the intangibles like STL’s and REB’s out of your PG, then Rubio, Curry, and Reke seem to lead the way. I don’t have the stats to show who plays the best defense, but if I had to say the top 5 they would be the same people on the list for steels minus Curry, but adding Collison.

Now if the draft was done over again how would it be. In my opinion the draft would pretty much not change at all, with the exception of everyone moving up 1 slot because of Flynn. Of all the PG’s that were drafted, we could have drafted any of them, so who would you have drafted and why? Before the draft happened that year I really wanted Rubio, to be honest I had no idea who Tyreke was. Looking at it now, I would still have drafted Rubio 1st, and Tyreke or Curry 2nd ( I just can’t decide), with Holliday and Lawson coming in 5th and 6th respectivley. Who would you have drafted if you could go back to 2009 looking at how the career’s have played out so far?

****UPDATE***** Rubio is now off the board at #1....Now who would would be the next pick

1.Ricky Rubio

2. Tyreke Evans

3. Steph Curry

Poll
Who would you draft now?
Darren Collison
0 votes
Jrue Holliday
6 votes
Brandon Jennings
2 votes
Ty Lawson
5 votes
Rody B.
0 votes
Jeff Teague
0 votes
Eric Maynor
0 votes

13 votes | Poll has closed

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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It's a tough call

I have Rubio, Curry, and Holiday as more valuable than Reke. Maybe even Lawson but I haven’t watched him play all that much. Rubio has the advantage of being new and teams haven’t scouted out any weaknesses well yet (Like Reke in 2009). Curry is injury prone and not nearly as good of defender but he’s a lights out shooter and good passer. Holiday is a very balanced player who seems to do everything well but not great in any one area. I’d still much rather have that than have player’s with glaring weaknesses.

I’m falling of the bandwagon fast. It’s seems his career projection is moving towards role player rather than franchise player at this point. Though Cousins can be a headcase, at least I see growth and shows flashes of being a franchise center. I don’t get excited by what I see in Tyreke anymore. Moving him while he still holds some value might be the best option.

by abasketballfan on Feb 20, 2012 6:17 AM PST reply actions  

Curry is good but his ankles are glass

I’m not as in love with Rubio as everyone else. To me he’s a better defending Jose Calderon. Nothing wrong with that but Calderon seems to be on the trade block every year.

I really like Jrue Holiday. Right now it would be between Reke & Jrue for me.

by Allbenji on Feb 20, 2012 7:15 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Also

I will say the fact Tyreke hasn’t improved his jumper is really disappointing. To me a good jumper & 3 pointer would put Reke on another level from these other players. All-star level easy.

by Allbenji on Feb 20, 2012 7:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I would still take Reke out of all these guys.

2nd choice would be Lawson.

Tyreke was by far the most NBA ready player in that draft. If Tyreke was in Holiday’s shoes, with the talent and veterans on that team, and Doug Collins coaching him, he would be an all-star already. Considering that Tyreke has been “winging it” out on the court for 2+ seasons before Smart took over, he has done very well.

Another stat to look at for this list would be games missed. Tyreke, Curry, Lawson, Beaubois, Rubio (first 2 seasons), Teague, Maynor have all missed significant time already.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 20, 2012 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure you can list Rubio in games missed

Pretty big difference between being injured and playing for a quality international club and getting more experience. If I could have either player today, I would take Rubio.

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by SavageBeast on Feb 20, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I see your point, and will clarify what I meant.

I didnt necessarily mean games missed to injury, but I see a guy drafted in 2009 that didn’t play an NBA game until 2011 as missing 2 NBA seasons when evaluating the draft class, and how he would have developed on our team. Any small market that drafted Rubio would not have seen him for 2 years. In my mind, the only way he was going to get bought out of his Spanish contract was if he got drafted by a big market (similar to the Yao draft), and I think the first big market to get a pick that year was the Clippers (who would have been stupid for not taking Blake) and Golden State at #7.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 20, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I would still take Tyreke.

He’s still the most skilled of the group. He’s probably the best scorer of the group and definitly the best rebounder. I don’t see enough of the other players to know how good they are defensivly but we’ve seen that Tyreke can be a very good on the ball defender.

Now if I’m drafting for a point guard? It would be between Lawson and Rubio.

by StevenG on Feb 20, 2012 9:01 AM PST reply actions  

Jennings Jennings Jennings.

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by TrojanCBB on Feb 20, 2012 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

ewww, really?

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by Shizzo on Feb 21, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

You have to throw Jennings into the conversation

Take a look at the advanced stats for this group to date (I threw in Rubio which probably isn’t fair to anyone due to SSS).

http://bkref.com/tiny/LFzrU

I think Curry’s clearly been the best of the group, but the rest are pretty neck and neck.

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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Rubio, Curry, Jennings

Then Reke, Holiday, and Lawson in some order.

It’s hard not to think about the possibility of a Rubio and Kevin Martin backcourt. I think they would have complemented each other perfectly. Rubio could even defend the opposing team’s SG on some nights to help hide K-Mart on D. Oh well.

by Charlieb on Feb 20, 2012 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

wait what? Rubio DEFEND?

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by TrojanCBB on Feb 20, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not as bad on D as people talked about.

He plays the passing lanes well and is pretty good at getting into position.

by Crocoduck on Feb 20, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Rubio is playing excellent defense for a rookie

He puts in great effort, he’s second in the league in steals, and the advanced metrics I’ve seen rate him as a very good defender. I’m not sure what else you could ask for in a rookie.

by Charlieb on Feb 20, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, Rubio is awesome defending,.

His steals pretty much single handedly won the game for the twolves last time we played and he was great at keeping tyreke out of the lane.

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by lodisacfan on Feb 22, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh

I’d go Reke or Holiday then Curry, Jennings, Lawson, then Rubio.

The fact Rubio passes so well hides the fact he can’t shoot. I’m sure there are ways to defend the pass & challenge him to shoot.

With Curry he’s a lights out shooter & deadly passer I just think he’s too frail like Martin was with us always injured.

Holiday is fast, long, a tough defender, good passer, & a decent shooter. He will only get better IMO.

I don’t know a lot about Lawson so I might not take him over Rubio but I know the guy is a winner.

I might take Rubio over Jennings just because Jennings is pretty immature. The other side of that is I like his swagger.

A Rubio/Martin back court might have been the softest back court ever. I think the Kings were really trying to avoid that with the acquisitions of Nocioni, Brockman, & Omri. They were trying to build a tough team. Having mommy cut his steak for him doesn’t necessarily scream tough guy. I don’t blame them for not taking him at all.

by Allbenji on Feb 20, 2012 12:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

What a wonderful collection of PGs. Is there any draft that has delivered so many valued NBA players at one position? Amazing.

I am dreaming that this current crop of draftees will provide these same level of players at the 3/4 spot.

Given the various skills and talent shown, I am still in the Tyreke Evans camp. And that is for the same reason he was picked over Curry, Jennings, Flynn, Lawson and Rubio . Searching back in my memory, the Kings were also very high on the then youngest player drafted, Jrue Holliday and passed on him due to his youth (but loved his ambidextrous-ness, his length, his defense, his BBIQ and his personality). I would place him second, even over Curry and Rubio. Evans has one very distinguishing characteristic – his NBA body (size, strength, speed, length – his man among boys qualities).

I am of the belief that Tyreke Evans and his “grown ass man”-ness is a special quality that can be exploited and will come to fruition with time and patience. He is a willing learner and a skilled athlete who needs to develop the needed skills to become an All-Star. I also believe that being on a losing team that expects more of him than he can deliver in terms of wins that he is judged harshly and often unfairly.

As for the wonderful “passing gene” that Curry and Rubio possess, no, I don’t see that degree of development happening. I do expect that as he matures that Evans will become a more wiling and more able passer. I see in Tyreke the desire to be better and I will put my faith in that.

I am a great believer in durability. Evans’ plantar fasciitis in a mark against this but for Steph Curry I see that as the major flaw in his game and why I placed him below Tyreke. For Rubio, 30 games into an NBA career, I think it is too early to make this determination.

Thank you elSAVinator this is a fun subject to render our opinions. A lot of this comes down to personal preference as to what one sees as the best or most important type of player one prefers, much like – which is your favorite red wine or flavor of ice cream and why? Nice post and appreciate all the effort and stats.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 20, 2012 11:48 PM PST reply actions  

With Rubio gone, I would still go with Tyreke, but Curry

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2012 7:00 AM PST reply actions  

but Curry has proven himself.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 21, 2012 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I like all these point guards but I'd take Curry

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by Ninja King on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 AM PST reply actions  

Not sure why Tyreke is being talked about here.

He is clearly NaPG

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by lodisacfan on Feb 22, 2012 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

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