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Kings 95, Trail Blazers 92: Welcome Back, Marcus Thornton

None of the Kings wins have come easily this year, and tonight was no different. Sacramento had already played Portland twice this season, and had been easily handled by the Blazers in both games. In the first half of this game, it looked as if it might be the same case tonight, as Portland got up by as many as 13 points in the 2nd quarter, and led by 9 going into halftime.

The Blazers were led by LaMarcus Aldridge, who had 28 points and 14 rebounds. Most of that damage came in the first half, when the Kings seemingly had no answer for him and he couldn't seem to miss. Aldridge is a true star, and it will be a shame if he's not selected as an All-Star Reserve next week, as he definitely deserves it. Portland also got good contributions from Raymond Felton (15 points and 10 assists) and Jamal Crawford (17 points) although neither player shot very well. Kurt Thomas (10 points) was the only other player who scored in double digits for Portland, as the Kings continuously left him open for mid-range jumpers, which is about the one thing Kurt Thomas can hit.

Meanwhile, Sacramento welcomed back Marcus Thornton, who had missed four games in a row, and he didn't disappoint. He had a rough shooting night from the field, going just 4-13, but he was very aggressive attacking the basket, and got 12 free throw attempts because of it. He ended up with a team high 20 points, 8 of which came in the crucial 4th quarter.

Another big contributor for Sacramento tonight was John Salmons, who was clearly frustrated that he had been snubbed by the voters for a spot as an All-Star Starter. He came out with a vengeance and had his best game of the season, scoring 19 points on 8-14 shooting (3-4 from three) to go with 8 rebounds and 2 assists. He also played very good defense on Gerald Wallace, who only scored 8 points and didn't get nearly as many open looks as he did in the previous two games the Kings and Blazers matched up in.

Star-divide

Portland got way too many easy buckets and open jumpers in the first half thanks to poor rotations and miscommunication. One instance in particular saw Chuck Hayes switch off LaMarcus Aldridge, thinking that Jason Thompson would come up to cover him, but instead JT switched onto a different player, giving Aldridge a straight line to the basket for a dunk, with nobody in his way. Portland scored 56 points on 60% shooting in the first half,

The second half brought a change in attitude and effort by the Kings. The rotations were better, shots were contested, and Portland couldn't find an offensive rhythm. Chuck Hayes played a big part in that, helping to limit LaMarcus Aldridge's impact, and nobody else on the Blazers really stepped up. As such, the Blazers were held to just 36 points in the entire second half, and just 13 points in the third quarter when the Kings made their run to regain the lead.

The Kings were never able to gain too much separation from the Blazers in the 4th however, and the Blazers eventually took the lead back on a Jamal Crawford three pointer with 6:26 left at 81 - 79. Marcus Thornton came back the other way and ended up losing the ball, leading to a 3-on-1 Blazers breakaway for what looked like an easy layup.

Then Isaiah Thomas did this:

That block brought the crowd to its feet, and on the next possession, Isaiah found Marcus for a three, which he hit to give the Kings the lead back, and Sacramento led the rest of the way.

It got a bit scary at the end however, as Sacramento made some bad decisions that led to easy Portland buckets the other way. Isaiah had a particularly egregious turnover in which he dribbled into a corner and was trapped and tried to throw it over a few defenders instead of simply calling timeout. That's a rookie mistake for you. The Blazers cut the lead to 95-92 with 13 seconds left on an Aldridge layup, and all the Kings had to do was get the ball to someone and wait for Portland to foul. They did just that, getting it into Marcus Thornton, but Gerald Wallace came over and slapped the ball out of Marcus' hands and came away with it. He probably could have gotten a layup, but instead chose to dish back to Raymond Felton, who missed the three. The rebound was snagged by Wesley Matthews though and he dished it to Jamal Crawford, who also missed the contested three. This time Aldridge grabbed the board, but the shot clock expired before he could get the ball to the three point line himself and Sacramento came away with the victory.

Tyreke Evans had 18 points on 8-20 shooting to go along with 5 rebounds and 5 assists. Portland is one of the best teams in the league in terms of personnel to handle Tyreke Evans, thanks to athletic, defensive minded wings, and long shotblockers to guard the rim when he does manage to get by them, but he managed to find a way to contribute. His jumper was not falling all night, but he did hit the most crucial one to give the Kings the final bucket and enough cushion for the lead.

Jason Thompson was once again very solid for the Kings, getting his second straight double-double with 13 points (on 5-7 shooting) and 12 rebounds. With DeMarcus Cousins only playing 15 minutes thanks to foul trouble, the Kings needed JT to have a big game, and he delivered.

Coach Smart played a tight nine man rotation, with Chuck Hayes (29 minutes) the only bench player to really see a significant amount of time. Isaiah Thomas provided a big lift with his energy, and has seemingly bumped Jimmer Fredette out of the rotation. Jimmer received his first DNP-CD of his career, and with Tyreke and Marcus both playing heavy minutes (both played 41 tonight), it's probably not going to be the only one. Travis Outlaw and J.J. Hickson rounded out the rotation, and both came in and played their roles well. Outlaw once again had a poor shooting night, but he played aggressively and got to the line at least.

Sacramento finally gets to stay at home for more than one game in a row when Golden State comes into town on Saturday. The Kings probably should have won the last game they played against the Warriors, and hopefully can carry the momentum of tonight's win into that game.

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Impressive!

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

You know,

For every Jimmermaniac on this site, there are at least two relentless Jimmerbashers. Seriously, what did the guy do to you people, run over your dog?

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

It's the Tebow effect

Though Jimmer doesn’t have it as bad.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer is LDS

But I’ve never heard him mention Jesus in an interview. So it’s based on bigotry, not his behavior.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I don't think he was referring to the religious side

I think he means the hype of a successful college player with an unorthodox game, who had a huge legion of fans entering the draft. Had equally as many haters who predicted he would fail and look for any cracks in the veneer to jump on and criticize.

Most #10 picks don’t have their every game under the same microscope that Jimmer does.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Case in point: Spencer Hawes

There was a dearth of Spenceters when we took him at #10.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey Guys

Look at some of the players taken ahead of Jimmer.
Bismack, Jonas (not in NBA yet), Kanter, Vesely, and Williams haven’t done much either. I believe we did alright with Jimmer and he will take some time to adapt.
Give him some time, he plays behind to great players in Reke and MT.

by F3RRi3R on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm much more interested in how Knight and Walker fare over time

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

They look pretty good for rookies

but play tons of minutes, so getting the experience helps.

by F3RRi3R on Feb 3, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and Kawhi Leonard as well

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I do think

I would rather have Beno + Kawhi than the Salmons/Jimmer. I am not certain, but I think.

by MichaelMack on Feb 3, 2012 5:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm fine with the pick, though I would have preferred Leonard at #10

It’s not the pick of Jimmer, it’s the hysteria that surrounds him.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I picked up Leonard in my fantasy league a few weeks ago.

Then he shit the bed. Not sure what happened to him. I guess Jefferson came back.

by F3RRi3R on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

And Fredette may still become the better player

I know as much about young talent as your average NBA GM, which is to say very, very little.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Kanter has shown some glimpses of being a great rebounder one day. He is avg 5 boards in 14 min a game…pretty good.
Williams is terrible with the NBA 3 point shot and shoots 63% from the line…not very promising. He looks to be the biggest bust of the draft so far. If the #2 overall pick was avg 7.4 ppg……I would be pretty pissed.
At least Jimmer avgs 8.6 ppg..lol

by F3RRi3R on Feb 4, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes,

I think people waaaay overrate the affect of Tebow’s religious views on the anti-Tebow sentiment. It was the unending, relentless hype.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

But the Saturday Night Live skit on Tebow

is just not to be missed!

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with both points

There’s another common denominator as well, but I am going to slowly back away before stepping on a landmine.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, there is that

But also the fact that he mentions Jesus AT LEAST once within the first 10 seconds of any interview, the never ending tebowing, praying for kickers to miss, etc… I think many people – including people of faith, have a big problem with it.

by lchristmas on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't give a crap about post game interviews

or his religious views, though I’m not certain why he has to announce his thanks to his Savior so publically.
My annoyance is that I don’t think he’s an NFL quarterback (yet?).

We’ve all seen this running QP phenomenom before, it works fine until the concussions and other injuries from getting repeatedly wacked by 280 lb guys build up.
No running QB has ever ever won in the end. The few that did eventually was because they learned to stay in the pocket most of the time.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I just laugh because

He plays for a team with a very good defense and strong running game and people want to credit him for being a “winner.” He just wins.

I laugh, because I feel like we run into an identical scenario every few years. Last time was Vince Young. Big hype our of Texas. Mediocre accuracy. Good, but not amazing runner. Came to a Titans team with a good D and strong running game. He had a couple of fourth quarter comebacks and his supporters claimed we should ignore his mediocre stats because he “just won games.”

Deja Vu

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

You've got to be able to throw the ball consistantly

He certainly won’t be the guy that makes that fact untrue, there are no exceptions to the rule in my view.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

The glee with which many alleged kings fans

Respond to any jimmer struggle or failure is really pathetic, and has long since jumped the shark over any rational retort to the so-called “jimmer pushers”

Kings win AND JIMMER DIDN’T EVEN TAKE OFF HIS LDSWEATS??? Must have been like Festivus morning today for these folks.

by lchristmas on Feb 3, 2012 11:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

The extremists on either side of Jimmer are very, very annoying.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

It's the hype

I live in Utah and the hype was over-the-top to say the least.
He was an exciting player in college, no doubt, and I think he’ll do well in the NBA. I’m glad the Kings drafted him.
But it was hard not to get annoyed when you heard the guy’s name all the time. There’d be three stories about him on the TV news every night.
Though he seems like a nice fellow, down to earth despite the hype.
It also doesn’t help that most BYU fans are more annoying than Laker fans. Watch a game with them and all you hear are, "That was a foul, that was a foul," all the damn game. Then, of course, the refs are against them because it is an LDS school.
Just play, dammit.
Utah Ute fans are annoying, too, in a different way. (So, I’m not being biased.)

by boredwiththeUSA on Feb 3, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Disagree

Not jimmer’s fault but I think hype raised expectations that he hasn’t been able to reach.
I think anything less than 20ppg and 40% from 3 would bring out the I told yo sores,

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 3, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok I made up the word so-ers

But auto correct to sores ticks me off

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 3, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Its all good. I got what you were saying

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According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

He's an anti-Semite.

Wait, that’s not right…

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Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Feb 2, 2012 11:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

title shouldve said

Kings Win- But Jimmer gets Frst DNP of Season

by Kingsfan916 on Feb 2, 2012 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

His powers are growing.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Just got back from seeing that.

Pretty good, in a very non-traditional movie story arc kind of way.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Looked like a teenage thing to me

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Surprisingly good.

It wasn’t high on the list of things I wanted to see, but I got asked on a date by a hot guy, so…

Seriously, though, the title comes from the fact that the main kid has decided to record his life with a video camera, and there are a couple of other video feeds that come into play, which was a lot less distracting than I thought it would be. And the video quality was very high. No Blair Witch type shaking camera.

The story was not a traditional movie story arc, in that there was really no other story arc other than the main one. No subplots to speak of at all. But the main characters were fairly compelling and the main story is well-developed. You never find out why this happened to those boys (trying not to throw in any spoilers here) but watching them figure out how to use their powers is in turns fun and scary.

SB was disappointed that one scene, shown briefly in the trailer, is not actually in the movie. I’ll leave it to you to figure out what was missing, but given the demographic on this site, chances are you’ll probably get it.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the review. Sounds like my kind of movie actually.

Btw, had no idea what scene might be cut, until this:

but given the demographic on this site, chances are you’ll probably get it.

Now I still don’t remember the scene from the trailer, but can guess almost exactly what you must be referring to.

Does this mean that SB wasted his movie choice for nothing?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

No, he still enjoyed the movie.

He just deplores false advertising. ;)

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If you want the opposite saw Coriolanus last night

Interesting movie, basically took Shakespear and kept all the words, but updated to modern times (kind of like Romeo & Juliette was). Works in parts, really doesn’t work in others. But interesting film if you like those types of movies.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Seeing Shakespeare tonight.

A Winter’s Tale. Two sons in the play, one as an assistant director, daughter the official photographer.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh wow. Congrats. Where at?

I used to go with my parents to the Shakespeare Festival up in Ashland, Oregon every year.

If you like that kind of thing, worth getting Coriolanus when it comes out on DVD. Good, but not great film. But interesting take. And some amazing performances by Vanessa Redgrave and Brian Cox (character actor you will immediately recognize).

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a school thing

But the son who is the assistant director is working at the school coaching the Shakespeare team and helping direct the play, and plans to major in theater arts.

Cedar City, about 3 hours south of us, holds a huge Shakespeare festival every year, and part of the festival is a competition for high school teams.

The other two boys who are in the play are in 6th and 8th grades, so not in HS yet. This is mostly just to get their feet wet and gauge interest. Our school (K-12 charter) is well-known in our area for our fine arts productions and teams.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus, why the video of not-Jimmer making the play of the night that turned the game around?

Too lazy to edit it? FOR SHAME.

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by andy sims on Feb 2, 2012 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

actually Andy I take that back

you are a hater!

"Props"
This slang expression has its origin in Black English.Though props has several slang senses, here it means 'proper or due respect; compliments, credit, admiration, or praise.Successful people who have gotten their props should then "give props to their peeps," that is, they should (at least partially) credit their parents and friends.

According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Some people earlier had mentioned

when jimmer was pulled last game him and the coach got into a little feud. Obviously rumors were false.

"Props"
This slang expression has its origin in Black English.Though props has several slang senses, here it means 'proper or due respect; compliments, credit, admiration, or praise.Successful people who have gotten their props should then "give props to their peeps," that is, they should (at least partially) credit their parents and friends.

According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Smart was totally pissed at him

I was at that game and Smart chewed him up and spit him out for not playing with confidence in the second half. You could hear him yelling it at him easily. Looked like he’d also had enough of Jimmer looking at the bench with that palms outstretched in the “what did I do wrong?” gesture. IT is turning it up. Jimmer doesn’t know how to play undersized physical D (yet). Even though he’s shooting 60% from three lately I don’t think Smart values that over the defensive lapses. He might be sitting a good while.

by dethtruk on Feb 2, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Smart actually has a reputation for defense

Because he was in GS and has installed a real offense, it’s easy to think of him as an offensive coach. But Nelson originally brought him in as his “Defensive coordinator.” And defense is his forte. It’s a credit to him that he was able to do a pretty good job with a Warriors team that would be the opposite of the personnel he would have chosen (not that they are untalented, but offensively talented and defensively deficient).

It doesn’t seem like a surprise that Jimmer is going to have to show more on D to earn more time.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand sitting a player

For not playing the way the coach wants, or for underperforming. But if this were always the case with Smart, Salmons would have been benched the past two weeks, and occasionally Tyreke would get pulled for repeated I’m-gonna-dribble-out-the-shot-clock-and-chuck-one-up plays, or the ever-popular dribble-into-the-two-shot-blockers-in-the-paint-and-cough-it-up moves.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 7:09 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I think part of Jimmer not playing was the matchup

Our small-ball lineup had zero success against the Blazers in the other two meetings.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 3, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer shot well in the last matchup against Portland

And outside of Jamal Crawford, the rest of their guard rotation shot poorly. I didn’t get to watch much of that game though, so I can’t confirm how Jimmer played in the team defensive concept against them.

Still, you’d think between that performance and his recent hot streak, Smart could have wedged him in for a few minutes.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he wants Jimmer a little pissed

Sometimes that leads to more aggressive play which can equal confidant play.

Confidant play is what it’s all about for Jimmer right now.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

THIS

Totally agree with this. Jimmer hasn’t been playing hungry or confident, and this feels like a move on Smart’s part to get Jimmer’s competitive juices flowing again so that he plays like the BYU Freddette instead of the Westphal-Kings Freddette.

by EGKF on Feb 3, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Smart's not so smart

Well said League Pass Addict. The end of the fourth quarter was badly coached. With four fouls Cousins remains on the bench. And J.T. gets in with only two and a half minutes remaining. Dumb.

glenn bell

by seeanew on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

We just say 'LPA'

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Supreme Princess of the Interwebs.

I answer to either one.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I think we are talking about two different things

I am saying that Smart’s philosophy is defense first. Therefore, Jimmer’s D is going to be a concern and cost him playing time. GS fans were perplexed that Smart didn’t give Curry enough PT last year, also because of defensive issues.

What you are mentioning is benching a player for making a mistake. I don’t think Smart is the kind of coach who has players looking over their shoulder on every missed shot or mistake.

But he wants player on the court who can play defense. That’s his background. Most people just don’t realize this because he coached a very high powered offense in GS.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

this was a joke btw.

"Props"
This slang expression has its origin in Black English.Though props has several slang senses, here it means 'proper or due respect; compliments, credit, admiration, or praise.Successful people who have gotten their props should then "give props to their peeps," that is, they should (at least partially) credit their parents and friends.

According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

what I saw and heard at the game wasn't a joke

and maybe there’s no “feud” per say, but Jimmer went from starting to DNP at light speed. Like I said above, Smart was visibly and audibly reprimanding him for acting like he didn’t know what he was doing wrong. Thomas plays with confidence and has littlest-guy-on-the-team-who-gets-the-most-amped-up-about-the-game syndrome. Smart needs that fire, not Jimmer’s puzzled glances. Thomas will take most his minutes until his shot cools off again.

by dethtruk on Feb 3, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with Coach sitting Jimmer

Personally, I think it had a lot more to do with match-ups tonight. I’d really hate to see more of PW’s you’re in my doghouse so you get to sit on the bench for a game. That’s a great way to kill a player’s confidence, and it didn’t work for PW. But like I said, I don’t think it had anything to do with an argument, and I think Jimmer will be playing against GS.

That being said, I was really ticked off by the last play. Dumb, dumb, coaching in my opinion. Get your hands team out there. All of your best F/T shooters. They got it to MT, but that might not have been the case.

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by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

If that's what's happening

At least it’s being handled in private. There was no calling out Jimmer in a press conference or memo, no big announcement that he would be benched to teach him a lesson. I’ve never had a problem with a coach benching or disciplining a player, but keep it in the house. If that’s what’s happening, I’m fine with it.

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by Exhibit G on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Honestly

I think MT was assuming he’d be fouled and he didn’t protect the ball enough. Which is dumb, because teams are trained to try for the steal first and the foul secondarily in a one possession game.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But that's something the coach should discuss in the timeout too

Especially with such a young team. When you just stand there waiting for the foul, you put yourself in a terrible position to be double-teamed, locked up, etc. There’s only so long a player can stand there holding the ball before someone manages to tie him up. He should move or pass as soon as he starts to see the DT coming. Which is why I wanted more FT shooters on the floor.

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And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

Did you see Marcus’ interview with Peaches and Jerry right after the game? He was pretty upset about it, and admitted to completely goofing up that sequence.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

No

Stupid Broadband League Pass cuts off the second the game ends. Maybe to conserve space? Hate it!

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

What I found interesting

was that Thornton said in his post-game interview (which took place immediately after the buzzer) that he had to be stronger with the ball in that situation. During Smart’s presser about 10 minutes later, the coach said virtually the exact same thing. Player and coach on the same page? Amazing!

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

How about not letting the sideline

be used as another defender? How about wrapping both arms around the ball?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

This

…and curling into the fetal position.

by markdog333 on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well,

Being stronger with the ball (being able to keep it from being stolen by brute force) is ok.

Being smarter with the ball (being able to keep it from being stolen by strategies that might include running more time off the clock to protect our lead) is better.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

This will be a learning opportunity for these guys.

MT was kicking himself last night in his interview with Grant. It could have worked out beautifully, MT fouled, makes his FT’s end of story.

It could have been another end-of game disaster, watching the other team snag the win from us at the end.

Fortunately, we had the lead, Blazers missed two opportunities, and Kings’ players will have an opportunity to talk about this, review tape, and hopefully learn from it.

Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."

by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

This.

I agree with you. I think he sat Jimmer out because of the match-ups. They needed some stops to their team making baskets on us. I think they did a pretty good job doing that. Jimmer would have been of little help in stopping them score.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I agree with you completely. I have’t seen anything from Smart yet to make me believe he has a “dog house.” And if he does, it better be for something more than a guy getting fired up in the heat of a game.

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And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree.

He doesn’t have that dog-house mentality. Watching the GS players come up to Smart pre-game, they showed some real love for the guy.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I noticed this too
Watching the GS players come up to Smart pre-game, they showed some real love for the guy

I thought that was pretty meaningful.

by outrider on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus

Salmons playing 15 minutes straight to start the game probably meant he could only go with IT or Jimmer, not both

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 3, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Good point. He probably wasn't expecting Salmons to play this well.

And, IT played surprisingly well, against this team.

I’m surprised Grant isn’t asking Jerry, “How tall is this guy? We better check his ID.”

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice!

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry I was referring

to comment I made above about him being a hater as a joke.

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According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Great effort on D tonite

closing out on players, getting a hand in the face of shooters. I loved the way JT played tonite.

by MichaelMack on Feb 2, 2012 11:27 PM PST reply actions  

The defense is definitely further ahead of the offense at this point

I’m actually enjoying watching the defensive rotation most of the time. It used to be miserable, now there is effort and a bit more understanding.

The offense is still a hot mess, and devolves into too much one-on-one (especially with Thornton back). You can also see quite often why Chuck hurts them on the offensive end of the ball – the team actually ran a few decent plays that got him wide open looks in the 15 to 18 foot range, but he wouldn’t pull the trigger. That’s where not having DeMarcus on the floor really hurts you.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck does a bunch of little things on offense that help though

He moves the ball quickly and with purpose, and he’s definitely our best screen setter.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No doubt about it

I’d assume he’s a bit like Brad Miller – you don’t always see the production in the stats, but the offense runs much more efficiently with him in there.

I thought Chuck could hit that little mid-range jumper though – or is that not part of his arsenal? Is his injury preventing him from taking those shots?

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Looking at Chuck's Hoopdata page

(Here for reference)

It looks like historically he almost never shoots unless he’s relatively close to the basket. He’s had trouble finishing this year compared to year’s past, and I think that has to do with rust and conditioning since he hasn’t had as much game time as other players, and missed most of training camp as well.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

If only our guards knew how to use a good screen

(sigh)

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't know if it was just him

But I counted at least 4-5 times (after I thought to start counting) where Chuck came out to set a screen for Evans and Evans took off in the opposite direction of the way Chuck was coming, not even letting him finish setting the screen. This was puzzling to me.

by outrider on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

IT and Marcus also didn't use them for anything

You’re right. they don’t seem to know how come sround a screen for an open look.

I’ve seen Jimmer do it a few times but Tyreke, Marcus, Isaiah?
Nope.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Not specifically from last nights game

but I noticed Evans does this as soon as the defender cheats towards the screen. It is usually pretty effective though – especially if the other defender is hedging out to show on the screen too.

by markdog333 on Feb 3, 2012 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

AND KEITH SMART WAS LIKE

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Is this from Game of Thrones?

I just finished the first book of that series.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes it is and i wish I had the talent to put IT face on this pic with a pic of Blake Griffin on the ground

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks like I have a photoshop project after work...

May have to make it Wesley Matthews on the ground though.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 11:54 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Aykis16 If you could pull that off that would be EPIC!!!!

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Feb 3, 2012 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The books are really good.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I've wandered away from fantasy

these last few years as so much of it seems rote, often silly formula stuff. I watched a few episodes though and it does seem to be interesting.

But mostly novels, both serious (recently went through the ‘Girl’ trilogy) and humourous (love me some Christopher Moore)
and I still read a lot of more or less straight sci-fi.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely recommend the Song of Ice and Fire novels that the show is based on

Unlike any fantasy series I’ve ever read. It’s like the Sopranos but with an occasional dragon.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Recommend Carl Hiassen.

I’ll watch a little “Thrones” for the wimmen. Much prefer the new “Robin Hood.”

by blknblu on Feb 3, 2012 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Hiassen sounds like he's in my current Moore groove

which should I read first?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Native Tongue and Nature Girl were both pretty good

Strip Tease was really good, if you’ve haven’t already seen the movie. I’d say Lucky You and Double Whammy are a little weak but most of them are good and very funny.

by blknblu on Feb 3, 2012 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you read Wheel of Time?

Hard to get through at times because Jordan uses so much detail, but it’s the best series I’ve ever almost read all the way hahaha.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

George RR Martin's Song of Fire and Ice Series are the best of the SF Fantasy genre I have read

Not as well written as Tolkien but with more intrique. (I have read and enjoyed Goodkind, Jordan, Sara Douglas, Donaldson, Erikson, Salvatore. I also like Orson Scott Card, Robert A. Heinlein, bleh on Herbert, Bradbury is good)

by betweentheeyes on Feb 3, 2012 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's faded a bit in my eyes

less interesting

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Kind of a conceit to write the same book from, what, four different perspectives?

And actually, he’s not writing much these days. He suffered a stroke a year or two ago.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry to hear it

but his decline was well in the works some time ago in my eyes.
Maybe he just ran out of ideas, it happens.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

bleh on the original Dune?!!!

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The Dresden files just get better and better as they go on

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I enjoy the occasional Scalzi and McDevitt as well

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Robert Jordan

(now deceased) or Brandon Sanderson? Sanderson is an amazing world builder. He took over the Wheel of Time series once Jordan died, but at least the series is being finished. I read the first eight, then decided to wait until the series was finished to read the rest.

But a lot of Sanderson’s other work (Elantris, etc.) is pretty good.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a whole Jordan discussion below

sonofabitch dead guy!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I know.

That’s why I didn’t finish the series. I took one look at his author photo and knew he was going to drop dead before he finished.

It’s hilarious, though, that Sanderson was chosen to finish the series. Jordan is wordy, Sanderson will bury you.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

George RR Martin looks like a cardiac time bomb

I am suprised he came out with Feast of Crows and Dance with Dragons. He says he has two more to go but at the rate he puts them out (five years after his “due date”) his tombstone will be published first. (man, I can be so cruel – I blame StR)

by betweentheeyes on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

He got the first three out pretty quickly

The last two apparently took forever (luckily I didn’t have to wait since I didn’t know about them until the show). But just judging from where the story is after the latest book, I don’t know how they’d be able to finish it up in 7. Maybe 8.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the warning

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no!

Tony had eagerly read every book, was getting a little irritated that it wasn’t drawing to a climax (more charactors Jordan – SERIOUSLY?!)
and then died %@&(!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

I stopped reading after the book that didn’t have Mat in it. Seriously, an entire book without one of the three main characters? Plus he was getting a little misogynistic for my taste.

I might go back and skim the first books and then pick up the series to finish, but right now, I just have kind of lost interest. And I have too many other books to read.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding, how do you not write in Mat?

It was starting to look like he had numerous ex-wives to pay off. Many of the (many) women starting sounding too much alike as well, I was getting confused.

In fact, too many of all the charactors started using similar voices. And Mat was just too interesting to leave out.
Anyway, the whole story lost urgency.

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I've stopped and started over on the series more than once

Last time I started it I timed it perfectly so that I finished The Gathering Storm about a month before Towers of Midnight came out. Honestly, I find the books with Sanderson much more refreshing reads.

First time I read the series I think I got halfway through the 3rd or 4th book before Jordan’s writing grated on me and I stopped for about a year. Picked them up from book one again and didn’t even make it as far that time. Third times a charm I guess, read all 13 books back to back starting about the time book 12 came out.

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Which series or book of his is best if wanted a taste?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Only series of his I've read is Wheel of Time

And with that one, pretty much if you don’t start at book one (Eye of the World) you’ll be lost.

The devil is dryhumping the details - Tom Ziller

by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Jordan started out more or less

by writing all those new(er) Conan books which I read thirty years ago.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Read a lengthy profile about this Martin fellow

It kept mentioning how pissed-off some fans were about him taking so long to write the next book in the series. Martin had some pretty funny quotes about that.

by blknblu on Feb 3, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I’ll never forgive Jordan for dragging it out and extra book or two – until he freakin died on us before he finished.

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

Won’t forgive him for it, but still have to buy the final book when it comes out. Feel obligated to finish after investing so much time in reading > 3,600,000 words.

The devil is dryhumping the details - Tom Ziller

by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't remind me!

It’s been so long I’ll have to read a LOT of it to refresh my memory. I’m feeling a little angry about that! :-)

I just recently dusted off the Pern stuff and reread a lot of them, very enjoyable.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, that sounds fun

I don’t own any of them though, read a bunch of them in high school from the school library…

Also thoroughly enjoyed The Death Gate Cycle by Weis & Hickman. I’ve been meaning to re-read that. I have all 7 books lying around somewhere, but not sure where. I’ve moved like 5 times since the last time I read them.

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I LOVE my Kindle

I wasn’t sure I would.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure about it at first either

but my wife bought me a Kindle Touch for Christmas and I’m loving it too. Only problem: I hate having to re-buy all of the books that I already own. WoT is a perfect example. Already invested 8-9 bucks apiece for the books (more for the last two which I bought in hardcover) and I’d like to re-read parts in advance of the final book, but I hate having to drag the books around with me, and I don’t want to pay another $8 for each of them on the Kindle.

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Halfway through the second book, loving it so far.

heard how great the series was, wanted to read the books before I start watching it. For those of you who’ve seen it, and read the books, does the first season pretty much end about the same place the book does? Season 1 comes out on DVD/Blu-Ray in March, and I want to start watching as soon as it comes out.

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just in to the 2nd myself.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I started reading the books after watching a few episodes of the show and loving it

It was kind of amazing how true they stayed to the book. There are very few deviations, and the ones that do exist are mainly to flesh out characters that don’t have much of an impact in the first book but will later.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I WISH I had dated her

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You must be a congressional Democrat!

(watch that first step)

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Good to get a little revenge against the Blazers,

they tore us up the last two times we played em. It was sure nice to have Salmons actually help out, amazing things happen when yur wing can contribute… Thornton was getting to the line tongiht which really helped out. Nice home win, let’s get another against the Hornets on Saturday.

by DiegoKing on Feb 2, 2012 11:52 PM PST reply actions  

I guess I'm wrong, we need to beat the dumb ass Dubs first...

We’ll be getting some more revenge then. The Kings are going to smash their asses!!

by DiegoKing on Feb 3, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

WOOP!

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

IT #9 on Plays of the Night

Should have been much, much higher.

"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

This

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Feb 3, 2012 7:10 AM PST up reply actions  

He did get Block of the Night on NBA.com though

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I think tyreke deserves a lot of credit for the way he played today. You can clearly see he wasn’t having a good game and even on defense he wasn’t getting lucky with the steals and he looked very frustrated at times but he stuck it out and kept playing and even at the end had some terrible turnovers..but damn he came through at the end.

by deucedeuce on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 AM PST reply actions  

Tyreke needs to not fade away. Kudos to him for sticking with it, but what's interesting is -

Those halfcourt shots he takes? When he’s taken them, he’s not fading away at all. Straight up and down, even if he has forward momentum. Body line is relatively straight. Now, if he could apply that to his normal game…wow.

"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Feb 3, 2012 12:42 AM PST reply actions  

Marcus Thornton is a warrior.

Hes skilled, loyal, respectful, and knows when its appropriate to get excited. My favorite player in the NBA. If more players in the league were like Marcus, the sport of basketball would be better off.

I like that, and I like Kings basketball.

by CLopez63 on Feb 3, 2012 1:09 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

i agree in the most points, but

from my point he is too selfish. he often drives to the rim and gets pressure from several guys in the opponent defense, but its too rare that he kicks the ball to free teammates, specially at the 3point-line. if he could improve that, he would be a stunning guy

Einmal Kings-Fan, immer Kings-Fan.

by Schnuppermeister on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Right.

Our last posession of the night, the ball was inbounded to him, and Thornton obviously wanted to get fouled and shoot the FTs himself, so instead of passing out of the double team, he got stripped, and that could have cost us the game.

Stupid and selfish.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Salmons was wide open about 15 feet away.

I still enjoyed the win, but I was shaking my head at that.

He made some nice passes to get guys some easy baskets, but you can tell he wants the ball in the 4th.

by Crocoduck on Feb 3, 2012 8:07 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He should have passed out before the double team formed.

Or at least dribbled away from the sideline where he got trapped. Ideally, not only would they have had to foul, but we could have run more time off the clock.

I still think it was both, but I appreciate that you like Thornton a lot more than I do.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree he should have

This is a young team, very prone to mistakes. Marcus may have just gotten his big contract, but this is just his 3rd year in the league, and first full one as a major minutes guy. I think he was sticking to what the coach asked of him instead of adapting to the situation as he should have. That’s something to learn from.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

A double team on the ball handler as the clock is running out?

How oh how could he have forseen that coming?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

They should have used the full court and passed it into the backcourt in that situation. You should never imbound the ball just across halfcourt, it’s begging the other team to trap you.

by shaydbrayd on Feb 3, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

true and true,, but how about the alley-oop pass he made?? nice..very nice

by gaindeyouth on Feb 3, 2012 9:17 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Credibility of Jimmered minus another three points and counting

Doesn’t matter what your or my beef is, if all you have is a one trick pony, the trick gets old fast. But I guess stick with it if that’s all you got.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Although it must have been killing you not to say Jimmer sucks last night

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know you, so I can't say that you're a douche

But an incredibly high percentage of your posts are extremely douchey.

Extremely douchey.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

This made me laugh. Gonna start using the word douchey.

"Props"
This slang expression has its origin in Black English.Though props has several slang senses, here it means 'proper or due respect; compliments, credit, admiration, or praise.Successful people who have gotten their props should then "give props to their peeps," that is, they should (at least partially) credit their parents and friends.

According to Clarence Major's Juba to Jive: A Dictionary of Black American Slang, the Black English term props also refers to any form of support or protection. So your props can include your friends, your family, and even your switchblade.

by mmarcum on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

thats right, no time for arguing because

the next loss will come soon and then we can discuss and argue. but till then we should dance til’our souls are burning

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by Schnuppermeister on Feb 3, 2012 2:50 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

My favorite play....

The JT “slip screen” and the bounce pass by Tyreke. I hope to see more of this.

by getPGwithbounce on Feb 3, 2012 3:04 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I liked the one play in the first half

where JT threw a bounce pass between two defenders to a cutting DeMarcus Cousins for the layup.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Thats Odd

Anyone have the answer?

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by Howard Nevens IV on Feb 3, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Maloofs sold them as their 2% is just not cutting it anymore

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I was going to say – someone should check Ebay.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

sent a tweet to @KingsVideo

They were the ones that responded to me when I pointed this out on Jan. 5th.

Kings In-House Video @KingsVideo
@HeuristicLineup Checking on the status of the other banners as well.

Kings In-House Video @KingsVideo
@HeuristicLineup Oversight on the 6th Man Banner; it was on display in the offseason … it will be back up soon.

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 3, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

What the hell...

We should mass tweet them. They can’t do that to us.

"Crescit cum comercio civicas"

Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

And... They responded
Kings In-House Video
@HeuristicLineup Changes to the position of projection lighting fixtures caused the banners to be removed; it was an oversight that
Kings In-House Video
@HeuristicLineup … They weren’t relocated. I’ve raised the issue; hopefully we can get them back up quickly.

I will be at the game Saturday so I will report back then on if they are back up or not. HeuristicLineup, getting our fucking banners back up since twenty twelve!!!

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

"We won't be putting the banner back up,

but please accept this coupon good for a free Jumbo Jack when you purchase a large beverage."

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd for just mentioning a jumbaco.

I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.

by LOUiECOG on Feb 3, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Jumbaco gonna be one of the New Insta-Rec items now like Doug TKOing Idiot

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol. FWIW, my nickname for Kemba Walker is Kembaco

He’s on my fantasy team and it’s a lot of fun to shout when watching the games with friends.

He drains a three: Kembaco Kembaco Kembaco Kembaco

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Oh man

I kind of wish we had drafted Kemba now just so we could have called him “Kembaco!”

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah,

Jimmerbaco just doesn’t have the same ring to it.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Charlotte got the two best Jumbaco guys

Bismacko and Kembaco

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Very true. Briefly had them both in fantasy.

In a deep league, so took a flier on Biyombo when he was getting some burn. Makes the games fun to watch and yell at the TV when they do well.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec’d this for getting me to actually LOL at work

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

First you take the Jumbo Jack

Then you take the taco.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Jumbaco, Jumbaco!

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

N o it is not, it is from this commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6KJcmo0w5U

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by Widowwolf on Feb 4, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

i told yall bros dat salmons waz still good.....

yall amigos didnt believe me …..es em aych…….el oh el dats 4 those who kept doin dat to me el oh el…..jus sayin……but foreal dat waz a good game…..thornton is a beast but evans im still not sold on him…..duno tho…..

/kings 2 da top\

put a D*ck in ur ear and F*ck wat u hurd

by mitmil22 on Feb 3, 2012 7:49 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Agreed

I rec’d it, but I’m not entirely sure how I feel about that.

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by Exhibit G on Feb 3, 2012 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

hahahahahahaaaa

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, very subtle

Nice

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re trying too hard to sound “cool”, so you just make no sense whatsoever.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I like your posts

I know some people get frustrated with the grammar (it does take a min to translate), but I appreciate seeing another team’s fan this passionate about the Kings. I’m looking at what you say, not how you say it. From what you say, it seems like you have a ton of love for this Kings even if the Kings aren’t your #1 team.

by SharkKings49 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me translate: I told all of you brotha's that Salmons was still good...

You didn’t believe me, friends….shaking my head. Laughing out loud that’s for those who kept doing that to me laughing out loud (What? Ah-Speaka de English properly, that doesn’t make any sense)…Just saying. But for real, that was a good game. Thornton is a beast, and I’m not sure what to make of Evans, I’m not completely sold on him yet.

Go Kings!

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Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//

by HarveySpecter on Feb 3, 2012 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

dats tha berney!!!!!!!

put a D*ck in ur ear and F*ck wat u hurd

by mitmil22 on Feb 3, 2012 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Took 15 Minutes

To figure out how to post the Gif

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by Howard Nevens IV on Feb 3, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Aw man... Disco Inferno.

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by TrojanCBB on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A couple of quick things...

First, I do not, do not, do not understand why Cousins didn’t get on the floor for the last 20 minutes of the game. Arguably our most consistent big man, possibly our most consistent player, and you sit him why? So Hickson can get some burn? Really?

Second, you put in your best 3pt shooter against a zone.

Third, for all of the broadcast team’s vaunting Isaiah Thomas as “Mr. Fourth Quarter,” he had some pretty bad plays.

Tyreke, Salmons, and Thornton on the floor at the same time means that our bigs don’t touch the ball unless they rebound it.

I’ll take the W, but some of the coaching decisions and rotations were suspect.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:04 AM PST reply actions  

No, they're not.

But you at least try it. Give him a shot. However Jimmer landed in the doghouse with Smart (and that’s an entirely different issue) you still go with your best options to try to win the game.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

First, stop swearing at me. That's twice in two posts.

Second, Jimmer is the best 3pt shooter on the team. To break a zone defense, you need to spread the floor with outside shooters. That would be Fredette. With the way Salmons was shooting last night, having the two of them on the court would have let Tyreke break down the zone from inside out.

Third, I didn’t see evidence of Smart chewing out Jimmer, but some people have mentioned it. Personally, I was too busy watching the game. But whatever personal issue the two of them had, it shouldn’t affect that kind of decision, in my opinion.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

That's not what I said.

Not at all. But Jimmer is a better 3pt shooter than both. It seems like there could have been some zone-busting role for him.

I get that you don’t like Jimmer. But you have to give him credit for being a better outside shooter than Tyreke.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

wow timeout

no you don’t get me at all if you are going to turn this into some stupid “Oh you just don’t like Jimmer” junk.

And yes I know that is not what you said. But if Jimmer struggles against the zone and the guy taking his spot at point isn’t dogging it, if the non three point threat in the backcourt isn’t dogging it, I dunno what the point is other then “well he’s the 10th pick.”

by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2012 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

You say he struggles against the zone

But I haven’t seen that the past few games.

So we disagree on that. And I never said that he should play because he’s the tenth pick.

I personally am not one of the “Jimmermaniacs.” He’s a nice player, but I am strictly coming from a game situation standpoint. Which is exactly what I said in my original post.

You put in your best 3pt shooter against the zone. How is that even arguable?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I did not see the game but from an offensive POV you are 100% correct

That leaves 3 choices
Smart is dumb
Smart thinks his D or bh was a bigger problem than losing his O
Smart and Jimmer had a disagreement and he sat him out

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't the first point a contradiction?

I’ll say it was the 2nd because personally I think it was the match ups. The only thing you can beat largeness with is speed. IT has that and Jimmer not so much. Its like rock paper scissors. Donte, Cisco, and Honeycutt also didn’t play, they must be in the doghouse too.

by ThomasGQ on Feb 3, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think it was a personal decision or anything

One thing that Smart has been very consistent about in this season is keeping a tight rotation. He likes to play his best guys a lot of minutes (must have learned that from Nellie). With Tyreke and Marcus playing 41 minutes, and Salmons having a good night and playing 38, that doesn’t leave many minutes for Jimmer if Isaiah has supplanted him in the rotation. Isaiah only got 17 minutes, and while he didn’t play phenomenally well or anything, he did a good job of running the team, even though he did make some silly mistakes (as I mentioned in the post).

Also, Coach Smart mentioned that he wanted to keep the rhythm of the game, which is why he stuck with those guys in the 4th quarter and didn’t try to bring in Cousins off the bench or anything. I don’t necessarily agree with that, for the point you mention about how DeMarcus is our most consistent player, and he did have 8 points and 6 boards in his 15 minutes.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:35 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Which I'm sure is why people are questioning the move

Not because he’s actually our best 3pt shooter which we could have used at times last night. I’m not sweating it, but at times people act like anyone who mentions Jimmer must only care about seeing him play. Some Jimmer fans have been Kings fans back before Jimmer was born.

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by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

And some people who live in Utah

Turned down the Jimmer jersey in favor of a DMC one. In black. For my birthday.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty sure you guys were on TV here

did anyone mention that?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

No. Really?

That’s fun. Had I known I would have waved to you.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

You guys looked a bit serious :-)

If it was you they showed the three or four of you several times, all in new black jerseys?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It wasn't us then.

SB’s jersey is white. One son got a white Casspi jersey in Hebrew (Casspi was his favorite king, got the Hebrew just to be cool), and one son wanted a video game instead.

And we’re almost never serious.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Good, that group looked a little grim

(I edited myself) for such a close competetive game.

I think they showed you guys as well though.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll have to go back and look.

We haven’t watched the archived game yet.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Other than the TO where IT lost it in the corner

I was ok with his play in the 4th. He missed a couple good looks, but it’s better than our 23 second shot clock prayers.

Completely agree on the zone thing. I saw a lot of open looks and was wondering why jimmer wasn’t in. They did an ok job getting the ball to the middle, but I think the zone bothered them more than it should’ve.

The only explanation I could think of for DMC sitting was than Hayes was playing good defense on LMA and rotates better. He was still giving up some offensive rebounds, and there were a few plays that DMC would’ve finished that Hayes missed. As much as Portland likes to go to LMA at crunch time I was ok with leaving Hayes in.

by Crocoduck on Feb 3, 2012 8:20 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Cousins is disinterested, Jimmer is still learning D.

Smart played the guys who get the most fired up and put in the most effort on defense and got the W. A win against a team that throttled them before seems to imply he made some okay decisions, right?

by dethtruk on Feb 3, 2012 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Cousins is disinterested?

If he was being “fired up” and emotional, people would still be waving red flags in his face. He’s been a model citizen since PW left, he’s playing well and he’s playing under control. That doesn’t make him disinterested, it makes him smart.

And I get that Jimmer is still learning D, but he can shoot. Certainly better than Outlaw, who did somehow make it off the bench.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with you LPA

I don’t think Cousins is disinterested. He’s toning down his emotions. A couple of those foul calls were very iffy and last year I’m sure he would’ve picked up a technical. He was frustrated, but he didn’t boil over. Smart didn’t bring him back because Hayes, JT, and JJ were playing better. And DMC would be the first to tell you that the most important thing is the W.

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree that Hickson was playing better.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

As do I,

but for one game- and a win, I’m giving him a pass. When DMC gets frustrated he may be backsliding attitude-wise and that may be the answer, Smart wanted to keep a positive vibe on the court and teach a small lesson.
But as of today the only almost certainfuture All-Star I see on our team is Cousins.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think anyone can make the claim DeMarcus is disinterested

If anything he’s the opposite to a fault.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

That is a untenable comment

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

There's nothing wrong with not liking a player

But before you drop a quote like that about DMC, please do yourself a favor and spend a few minutes watching his post-game interviews from the seven games we’ve won this season. I’ll even provide a handy link for you.

http://www.youtube.com/user/kingsflix

All he cares about is winning and he’s made it more than clear on several occasions this season that he cares about this squad and wants to be here. I don’t know what kind of glasses prevent you from seeing any of this, but for God’s sake, please don’t drive or operate heavy machinery while wearing them.

by Olde Greg on Feb 3, 2012 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Pretty sure Outlaw got in

because Cousins was in foul trouble.

I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.

by LOUiECOG on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Even if Cousins is disinterested

He’s going to probably give you 20 and 12. And his presence on the floor opens things up a bit more for the backcourt and gives your offense some additional options.

Dude should have been in there.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Some cool stats

DeMarcus is one of only 11 players in the NBA averaging a double-double. He’s also the youngest player on that list at just 21 years old, and is also playing the fewest minutes per game of anyone on that list at 28.5.

Link

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

BEAST MODE:

ENGAGED

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Wrong.

Six of those guys are on teams that won’t make the playoffs. Hence, they’re merely trying to pad their own stats.

Right dethtruk?

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of guys who won't make the playoffs

Marcin Gortat is a stud. I wish we had been able to pull a deal for him somehow when he was available from Orlando. He’d be perfect next to DeMarcus. I don’t see Phoenix getting rid of him any time soon though.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

neither will his fantasy owner in my league.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder how many of his baskets are assisted

If Cousins was shooting 56% he’d be averaging 20 and 12!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

47.4% of his buckets are assisted

That’s a huge improvement from last year, where he was only at 37.6%. This means he’s being set up more and having to create less, which is a good thing as you can see from his increased efficiency and less turnovers.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Only one thing I'm a little dissappointed on with Cousins this year

is so few assists. Otherwise I think he’s having a rockin’ 2nd Sophomore year.

Hmm, but Gortat’s % is about the same as last year(?) so . . .

Anyway, if you remember I was big on trying to make a trade for him. But should the Kings look for more of a 4 who spreads the floor a bit – or a Gortat that you can outmuscle everyone with?

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Cousins is good enough of a jump shooter that you don't need another guy like that

I’d rather have someone athletic that can defend, rebound and finish. Hayes can defend and rebound, but he’s not a good scorer. JT is getting better in all three of those areas, but he’s probably a bench big on a good team.

And yes, I remember when I was clamoring for Gortat you were a big supporter there. He’s a nice player. I think he’d fit in well with Cousins. I don’t think he’s available at all though anymore.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought for the most part

That was JT’s best game of the season. Nice job on the boards, shooting 5-7, had a nice cut to the basket, a great pass for an easy lay-up, and was playing very physical defense. Very good all around performance.

by MichaelMack on Feb 3, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree on the passing

This seems to have been intentional early with Smart. He seemed to get Cousins focused on getting his tail down low and scoring. Have noticed as more of the offense has been implemented, we’re seeing more high post from Cousins and more passing.

Hopefully we can utilize it more going forward, because he has great touch for a big man.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Smart just doesn't want to develop that part of his game right now.

We have enough turnovers already.

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

wow..

kings just got a grab win over a good team and you guys are still arguing back and forth about….jimmer? rookie? and his minutes. who cares. they won. enjoy it, you never know when the next blow out is coming right around the corner..

by gaindeyouth on Feb 3, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Who cares?

I guess some of the rest of us do. If you don’t, don’t worry about it?

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry, didn’t realize it was a closed thread with only otis allowed to pick who types in. personally, i enjoyed a nice win. jimmer will get his minutes. he gonna be alright, and i’m sure he enjoyed the win as much as i did.

by gaindeyouth on Feb 3, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, sorry

I thought you were trying to close the thread to certain types of conversations. I must have misunderstood.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I hope Jimmer didn't enjoy it as much

I hope Jimmer went to sleep and with the thought of a DNP in an exciting win leaving a big, annoying pit in his stomach. And as he wonders why, visions of backing stupidly into picks, seeing his man get TWO steps on him, and Coach on the sideline with FACEPALM. That’s what I want Jimmer to feel after this game. And I love the Jimmer.

by AoxomoxoA on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

As I've said, he needs to get and stay aggressive

and do the things he does well, take open 3’s and stop and pop from 15 feet.

With confidence.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Does he really stop and pop well from 15 feet? Because frankly, I’ve never seen it. That said, he really needs to add that to his game.

by shaydbrayd on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Not quite the Beno shot,

but he has that move where he drives in and then steps back and hits the jumper. Seems to hit it pretty consistently. Not sure if it’s 15 feet, but I’m guessing that is what LTG is referring to.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

yep, I just picked a mid distance

He should watch Beno’s tape because he has a lot more talent.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, I think Smart said he didnt put back Cousins because he wanted to keep the guys on the floor that were playing well.

Didnt want to mess up the rhythm or kill momentum with a rotation change.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 3, 2012 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I can see leaving in Hayes, but Hickson?

Cousins is better than him every single time. Every. Single. Time.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

But JT came in for Hickson at the end.

and DMC was in foul trouble all night, so he couldn’t play aggressive defense.

Hickson actually didn’t look lost out there tonight, and Outlaw played aggressive. Smart gambled by keeping them in, and it worked.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Gambling

greeeeat. :-)

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Right. That's what he said in his post-game interview.

He didn’t want to mess with the flow of the game; didn’t want to put someone in who was cold over guys who had the rhythm. Possible regret over putting Jimmer in at the end of Utah’s game after he had been sitting on the bench.

Sounds Zen-like.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Hickson has done nothing, not one thing

that justifies getting minutes over Cousins. The only argument you could possibly make is his ability to get back down the floor faster – but when he gets there?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't disagree with you about Hickson.

It may not justify why Smart played him over Cousins, Smart just didn’t want to mess with it. I’m just going off what he said last night.

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by Slam_Dunk on Feb 3, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

This is a rebuilding team with no playoff aspirations whatsoever, you don’t sit the 10th pick of the draft when you desperately need him to get better, I don’t care what the matchups are. But the thing is, the matchups weren’t that unfavorable. Jimmer couldn’t guard Wesley Matthews like he did Dorell Wright the other night? You don’t want Jimmer against a zone? I don’t understand it at all.

I will say I can understand JT/Hayes down the stretch because that combo worked defensively, but even still I think you give Cousins the crunchtime minutes.

And now Outlaw is the backup SF? WTF? How?

You can say you can’t argue with a W, but I don’t know – I don’t really understand what Smart is doing.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly this.

Rec’d.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that the kind of thing you argued about Tyreke?

That he should start from Day One because he’s the 4th pick?

Or maybe I’m thinking of someone else.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Might not.

Since I admitted that I might be thinking of someone else.

I have a wedding to plan. I’m not going to dissect your comments from 3+ years ago to prove a point.

But someone argued it. And I didn’t say Jimmer should play because of where he went in the draft. I said he should play because he’d help us break down the zone.

What’s with you today? Someone switch you to decaf?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I know, she's finally marrying that SB guy

About time.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Making an honest woman of me at last. :)

Actually, Killerking is getting married 3 weeks from today, and I have work to do.

SB and I are celebrating our 25th anniversary in April. In Kauai. For ten days.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Excellent

Congrats on the impending nuptials. My wife and I tied the knot in Kauai, it’s the most beautiful place I’ve ever seen.

You guys staying in the north or south?

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

We haven't picked a hotel

Just booked the flight. I’m looking at the south shore, though.

I’ve never been to Hawaii, and I’m practically counting the days. We’re planning to do some hiking, some kayaking, and I found a great helicopter tour that takes you to a waterfall that you can only get to by air. They land, you swim & picnic, then fly you out.

Mostly I’d like to do a whole lot of nothing with the only person in the world that knows everything about me and loves me anyway.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Get the 'Ultimate Guide to Kaui'

We always buy a book or two and think they really help.

Kaui is the prettiest of the islands by far, we’ve mostly done the North Shore as most people prefer, as the South can be very rainy depending on the time of year.
Now if you’re looking for places to hand out at night Kaui is not the Island, it shuts down at 10pm. Maui is sort of the middle ground on beauty and restuarants/nightlife.
Definately do the kyaking.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

(hang out at night)

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

But check a guide book before you decide

where to stay.
They all should mention the seasons and rainy side dry (er) side at what times of year.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. I own the Ultimate Guide.

And my parents have a timeshare there, so they’ve warned me about the lack of nightlife.

But since it’s a second honeymoon type of thing, I’m not terribly concerned.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

oh get a room!
since it’s a second honeymoon type of thing, I’m not terribly concerned.

Sounds great SB/LPA. I have stayed in the Poipu area a number of times. For what it’s worth, I prefer staying in a condo over a hotel. It is easy to get groceries (on the way from the airport) you can expirement with local food (yum, passion fruit/guava instead of OJ in the AM) and you get to save some money by preparing your own breakfast/lunches and dinner if you chose to. You can have breakfast in your “small clothes” and eat when you prefer not at the times listed. Food at the restaurants in the 49th state is delicious but very expensive, in general.
Oh and you must try the Kaui Pie Ice Cream at Lapperts. I insist.
And remember – sun screen.
The Helicopter is nice (they show you the remote area where Jurassic Park was filmed), I also like the Zodiac boats at the north shore (Na’apli Coast).

Oh, and I agree about playing the rooks as much as possible. Now is the time to play them, forfeiting a win or two now makes more sense to me

by betweentheeyes on Feb 3, 2012 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Native of the 49th state here-

Hawaii is the 50th. I imagine the rest of this is spot on.

by lead_pipe on Feb 3, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

oops!

above the 49th parallel is the 49th state. Got it!

by betweentheeyes on Feb 3, 2012 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you taken the hike from the very end of the North shore

along the coast then inland to falls? It’s a long hike but the beach in the middle is a good spot to rest and 100 foot falls and the cool pool at the bottom of it is worth it in the end.
The Coast part of the hike is much harder than 2nd half, though many people turn back at the beach.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Bring water and a snack

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Hiking?

So boring! (Kidding, it’s not my cup of tea, but I know I’m weird).

Catamaran up the Na Pali coast and do some snorkling. Come back and lay on Tunnels Beach and watch the sun set.

That there’s how you do a vacation, my friend.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not much of a

‘sit on the beach all day’ vacationer. No full service resorts for me (yet). I like to get out and do things. That’s relaxing for me, seeing the sights, drinking in a place piece by piece.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I hear ya

I do like my relaxing time. Although I made sure to do a bit of boogyboarding, golfing, some horseback riding and the usual touristy stuff.

The hike you’re talking about did come highly recommended from the locals.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It's fairly long

but diving into that cool pool at the bottom of that giant waterfall is one of those memories that are hard to quantify – or beat..

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

We did that in Puerto Rico a couple of years ago.

Long hike in El Yunque followed by a swim under a waterfall.

Followed by killerking grabbing a vine and almost swinging off a cliff when playing Tarzan.

Good times.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They have a great grotto to do that on Kaui

It’s actually on private land but it’s short walk from the road about midway on the island.

It’s a looong jump down but it’s very deep and ‘reasonably’ safe. There is a Tarzan rope that I yanked my shoulder on.
It’s in the book.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Golf is too much like work for me

and all those extra balls get expensive!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT? I DON'T EVEN...

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Google 'Robin Williams on Golf'

painfully funny! – and it represents my attitude.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

On my vacations, I prefer drinking in every place

And trying to get a piece

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'm a mom.

I always bring water and a snack. :)

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahahahahahaha!

Good one.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Cancun in May for us, just booked it.

meeting a couple of my brothers down there, party party.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Fun.

We should totally plan an StR cruise or tropical getaway. Cowboyron could host.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhhh, I'll pass if he's the host

A friend of my brothers owns a small resort south of Cancun so we get a good deal.
And my work has sent me to freakin’ Honolulu so many times that wifey has been to all the islands at this point.

We really want to do Belize but the Cancun thing is so easy (and cheaper). Belize is hard to get to from the West Coast, very few flights.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

There are some cruiselines that hit it.

We’re giving the newlyweds a cruise honeymoon, so I’ve done a lot of research lately.

Maybe you could book two half cruises (get off in Belize, get back on in Belize) and make a serious vacation out of it.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

You’re arguing other people’s comments with me. I don’t want to argue with you. So, yeah. Seriously.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

The tenth pick thing was a throw-away comment.

The rest of your post I don’t understand.

So… bye.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

/curly bill.gif

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t that the kind of thing you argued about Tyreke?
That he should start from Day One because he’s the 4th pick?

Or maybe I’m thinking of someone else.

I don’t care if you said “Or maybe I’m thinking of someone else” in there. Don’t write that unless you know it.

Then you have the balls to me “I have a wedding to plan. I’m not going to dissect your comments from 3+ years ago to prove a point” and “what’s with you today.”

What am I supposed to remember that off the top of my head? And now unless I spend the time to look back at it I still end up sounding like a hypocrite regardless of whether you are not sure.

If you don’t know don’t even touch it.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

and maybe I don't know what the definition of a throw away comment is

but to me this was kind of a big part of the comment

you don’t sit the 10th pick of the draft when you desperately need him to get better, I don’t care what the matchups are.

Granted, immediately after that was the “But the thing is” matchups part and maybe that was only you were agreeing with him but I dunno yet. And if that’s the case and you actually disagree with the notion that as the 10th pick it doesn’t even matter what the matchups are you then fine.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

wow big fail

if that’s the case and you actually disagree with the notion that as the 10th pick it doesn’t even matter what the matchups are then okay fair enough.

by wallywagon11 on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Also questioning how Outlaw became part of the 2nd unit

However, his play didn’t make me want to puke last night, so, that’s an improvement…

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I am guessing here...

but I think Outlaw has played well in practice, so Smart gave him some burn. I though his extra length helped us, as well as his aggressiveness.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 3, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I was confused to see Outlaw come in as well

Thought it might have to do with him knowing the Blazers from playing with them so long.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

Mostly, I was shocked that I wasn’t cursing him every 30 seconds like when he usually plays. His shot wasn’t falling, but he at least played aggressively. I don’t know how much he helped, but for the most part he didn’t hurt. Sure would be nice if his shot started falling though. Atrocious is too kind a word…

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by rpmonkey on Feb 3, 2012 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Feb 3, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better.

I love me some Jimmer, but yeah, we won. Get better in practice and minutes will come from any reasonable coach.

by Citadel 29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes a team just needs a win

the fans as well.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Be careful nbrans and LPA

You’re not allowed to criticize anything after a win. Only allowed to vomit unicorns and rainbows onto the screen. It has been decreed.

Jimmer goes from starter to DNP-CD? Cousins doesn’t play the fourth quarter? Who cares, we won on the back of John Salmons and Travis Outlaw!!! Yippee!

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The job of a coach is to win games

It is not the job of a coach to weaken his lineup (given his perception) to get someone minutes.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Did the coach win this game?

Or did the team win in SPITE of the coach? I felt like his rotations hurt more than they helped

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, the coach gets a win for the game, along with the players that he played

At least the last time I checked the standings, we won the game. If his rotations didn’t sit well with you, I’m sorry about that. But I’m going to take Smart’s decisions last night over your opinions. But hey, maybe that’s just me.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc

Yes, Smart was coaching a team that won the game last night. However its debateable whether he was helping or not. His substititon pattern for example wasn’t so great. Why are you being so butthurt about this criticism?

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Not butthurt, just don't agree with it in any way, shape or form

The Kings won last night, largely on the adjustments that they made at halftime and the defense that they played in the 2nd half. The coaching staff takes the blame when the team gets blistered in the 3rd-4th quarters, so they should equally get as much credit when the team succeeds.

Simply, this team won because of its defense last night. I’m hard pressed to see how changing the rotations that Smart used last night would have improved the defense even more.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Smart gets credit for defensive scheme

But he also deserves criticism when a 7 point Kings lead evaporates towards the end of the third/early fourth because of a crappy rotation. I remember specifically an IT/Thornton/Outlaw/Hayes/Hickson lineup that had me pulling my hair out.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

There is some truth there

1 1/2 guys who can score

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the real disappointment there is Hickson

The guy came into this season with a career .571 TS%. So if he was just playing to his average, that would lead the team (outside of Honeycutt’s SSS).

In other words, I think you’d get something out of that lineup offensively if Hickson wasn’t still stinking up the joint.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I just don't get that

Hickson seems to be in good condition, what is going on with him? Is it the lack of assited basket opportunities?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

While I don't agree with your comment

I do remember being very confused and asking why that lineup was on the floor. It just seemed wrong.

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by LOUiECOG on Feb 3, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Disagree

At least part of a coach’s job is to develop young players and make the team better in the long run. That job is doubly important when you have a crappy team that desperately needs its young players to get better.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Reke can play SF for small stretches of minutes

So you can start by giving Jimmer the 11 minutes that went to Outlaw.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

And who does Fredette cover in this setup?

Felton? Crawford? When you are trying to put forth a solid defensive effort, is Fredette an improvement over Outlaw? Over anyone?

So to recap, had Fredette gotten 11 minutes last night and Outlaw received a DNP-CD, you would have been happier, regardless of the outcome? I’ll take 11 minutes of Outlaw and the win.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He can guard Elliot Williams just fine

On the other hand, his scoring would have been a boon to a lineup that couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Williams played 6 minutes last night

So your point is that Fredette should play whenever the other team puts a player on the floor that perhaps he can cover. And here’s a fun fact: the Kings exceeded the season numbers in FG%, 3 point %, and FT % last night.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't straw man the argument

Point is there were guys Jimmer could guard out on the court.

And I’m sure Outlaw really helped those shooting percentages with his 1/5 from the field, 2/4 from the line, and 0/3 from three

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw defended pretty well, and defense won the game

Rage on, my brother. I’m out.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

You've said that three times already and yet here you are

And once again the team lost the lead with an offensively inept lineup on the court. Its not too much to ask for Smart to clean that up

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one

I found last night’s game completely satisfying and rewarding, and did not find myself wanting to see Fredette or Greene or Garcia or Cousins play any more minutes than they did. One game, one win, very nice. Sorry that it didn’t work so well for you.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Last night was pretty rewarding honestly

I love the progress Tyreke has made in his game. I’m ecstatic to see Thornton back in the lineup. Thompson had the ideal roleplayers’ game. And as a heavy defender of the Salmons trade in the offseason, I’m glad to see Salmons play well.

But years of being a Kings fan has taught me to curtail enthusiasm in wins and limit depression after losses, so I see room for improvement. I’d like to see Smart clean up the bench rotation because its costing us on the court. Otherwise it was a fun win where all of our talented youngsters, while not shooting too efficiently, had their abilities on full display.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I missed Cousins on the court

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Same here.

I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.

by LOUiECOG on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

By that logic

How would you feel about Reke guarding Gerald Wallace, who until last night has absolutely demolished us this season?

by Olde Greg on Feb 3, 2012 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not comfortable with Evans and Thornton playing 41 minutes each in a compressed schedule

So let’s start there. I also think Smart shouldn’t be so terrified to play Jimmer and IT together. So slide everyone up a position and take Outlaw’s minutes.

There’s 20 minutes right there.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

He's really working Tyreke on the minutes - 44 against the Dubs and 41 last night

If Reke wasn’t in shape before, he’s sure going to be before the season’s over.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Or he's going to get injured

I could understand riding him when Thornton was out, but riding both of them is not a recipe for getting through the season in one piece.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Ever?

I agree that 41 minutes a night as an average would be too much, but in any particular game? I don’t see the problem. Evans is averaging 36 minutes a night for the season, with Thornton averaging 35.

Get Evans his rest in the blowouts (and there will still be plenty of them).

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Me either

Not with this schedule. I think we lost the Jazz game because Tyreke was so gassed at the end.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

He's averaging 39 a game over his last five

Which is on a par with how many minutes guys like LeBron, Kobe, and Blake Griffin are playing. If those guys can log those minutes, why can’t Evans?

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Should have said on a par with what those guys have played over their last five games

Evans currently ranks 18th in the league in minutes per game, in between Brandon Jennings and LaMarcus Aldridge.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm probably off base here

But it just seems like Tyreke’s style of play currently is pretty labor intensive. You might be right that it’s no big deal, but I’ve noticed him looking fatigued at the end of a few games recently.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, this

Asking Evans to carry that load as a primary ballhandler is a whole lot.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It would be easier if he brought the ball up faster

and didn’t let the defender work him so hard just getting it to the 3 pt line. Mentally as well as physically.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I get what you guys are saying here

And if it becomes a long run of these games, I’m right on board with you. Evans has 8 games this season of 40+ minutes. The Kings are 4-4 in those games with a point differential of -1.5. They are 3-11 in the other games with a point differential in excess of -11 per game. My guess is that the KIngs are going to have plenty more of these double digit losses where Evans can get some rest.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Because he looked so tired at the end of the Jazz game

he didn’t run, pass or shoot until the clock was almost gone.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

You know, it's funny

how everyone talks about Denver being a mile high, but it is rarely mentioned that Salt Lake City is also a mile high. I am always amazed when any player logs more than about 36 minutes in either of those venues.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Then he should have had a breather earlier

That’s coaching – right?

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

WTF?

It may appear in a moment but the 2nd half of my comment was
’That’s coaching – right?’

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

It's there now

All these GIFs are messing with my machine

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

But it seems as though this is the case throughout the league. Denver has always been credited with having this homecourt advantage because of the elevation, but it is never (or rarely) mentioned as it pertains to Utah. I have always found that odd.

If I were playing in either of those venues, I’d be subbing guys in and out very aggressively.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course no Marcus to take some of the pressure

but you have to trust the guys available.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Easy to say about the number in a vaccume

But go back into the game thread, the few times we didn’t have Evans or Cousins in the game, the Jazz killed us.

Remember at the half we had 0 points from our bench. And at the end of the game, IT was the only bench player who scored (I think) and he got hot in the 4th quarter.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand

but Tyreke looked so gassed he was at about 50%.
I’ll take a minute or two from someone else.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I want to agree with you

It seems like Evans has been playing heavy minutes he’s not used to.

I just think in the Jazz game specifically, a couple of minutes from someone else and we may not have been in the game at the end.

Hopefully with Thronton back, we can have some more balanced rotations because we have more offensive weapons available.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

At least part of a coach’s job is to develop young players and make the team better in the long run.

I don’t disagree with you. And I think if Jimmer sits out the next 20 games it’ll be a failing on Smart’s part. However, I’m not going to dump on the coach for sitting a player one game against a team that has toasted him on defense twice. There are different ways to teach players. So far Smart has done a good job of developing Evans, IT and Cousins.

Let’s give him an opportunity to work with Jimmer and see if he is effective instead of bringing out the pitchforks and torches because he sits a player for a game.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Yeah, I agree with that.

If there was a message being sent or because he didn’t like the matchup, one game on the bench isn’t going to kill Jimmer. Don’t think I was bringing out the pitchforks and torches with my comments.

But still, one reason Smart didn’t stick in Oakland was because of perceived mishandling and underplaying of Steph Curry, and I think there’s a danger of Smart doing something similar to Jimmer. I don’t think Smart should be falling down on the job of getting Jimmer playing time – he’s come along way in the past 10 games and he needs more time.

One game is not the end of the world, if it keeps up I will dust off the pitchfork.

by nbrans on Feb 3, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No disagreement here

I still need to get torches re-oiled after the PW mobs.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

one game on the bench isn’t going to kill Jimmer.

BUT WHAT IF IT DOES? WHAT IF HE’S DYING?

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Smart is playing for his job.

He knows the more wins he gets, the more likely he will get rehired. So he plays the guys that he thinks will give the team the best chance to win.

I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.

by LOUiECOG on Feb 3, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

With a team as young across the board as we have

I’d guess that in most cases, player development and chasing wins go hand in hand.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Agree that it’s specious logic to not play arguably your best player due to foul trouble, and then have him end the game with 4 fouls.

And Jimmer should have gotten some burn, since he performed well offensively against Portland the last time out PLUS he’s been hot.

That was one of the major complaints from Dubs fans was Smart’s odd rotations. Hard to complain too much when you get a win, but it makes you wonder if the margin would have been more comfortable if Cousins had gotten some additional minutes down the stretch.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

How did the Dubs Fans feel about the 10 extra wins under Smart?

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by HighTops on Feb 3, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

Listening to the talking heads on KNBR, there didn’t appear to be a great deal of angst over his departure. They just wrote it off as new ownership wanting to bring in their own guy.

Tell you what though – I’d much rather have Smart than “hand down, man down”.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 1:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Warriors ownership seems to be trying to make a splash

But doesn’t really seem to know how. They handled this offseason in terrible fashion. Going after Chandler was a good idea, but to then go after a RFA in DeAndre Jordan who was almost guaranteed to get his contract matched, and amnestying Charlie Bell’s relatively minuscule 1 year contract instead of saving it for Biedrins was terrible.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, very strange

Don’t forget hiring a coach who’s never coached.
I don’t see them finishng with a better record than us but we’ll see, it should be close.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

and a higher payroll

So, you think that this year, finally, after 7 years in a row, I will win my Warriors/Kings bet and not have to take Dubs Bud and his lovely wife out to dinner. Again?

by betweentheeyes on Feb 3, 2012 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

hand down, man down

I will, from this point on, be calling Coach Mark Jackson….Coach Handown Mandown. Funny stuff man, thanks.

by Kingstime on Feb 3, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

agree with this. It seems more than a bit odd to me to have your best all-around player spend a tremendous amount of time on the bench. I wondered why he was taken out in the first quarter— after two fouls. Big friggin deal. It seems to me that a player should be able to make adjustments on his own after receiving two fouls, rather than have a paternalistic benching “for your own good.” In the second half, it was doubly odd to see him sitting on the bench.

I also believe that Fredette was intentionally benched, and that had been the plan since well before the game.

by ExPFCWintergreen on Feb 3, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  


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by andy sims on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I have to be honest, given the final line of the previous post, I think this is the funniest thing I've ever excreted into these hallowed halls.

JimmerJihadis™ are ruining this wonderful website.

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by andy sims on Feb 4, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Smart's Press Conference

I really like how he talked abt keeping certain guys on the floor b/c the “flow” of the game was in the Kings favor. He wasn’t going to force someone back in, just b/c they are a starter or normally have big stats. He said he did that last game and it screwed everything up. If the line-up on the floor is working, stick with it.

by gregory l on Feb 3, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

yes

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

As long as it's one game, and a win ....

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I know it’s easy to say “he made the right move, we got the win”. That excludes the possibility that we win that one going away if DeMarcus gets some minutes in the fourth.

Seems like playing with fire to me.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

DeMarcus did seem to have his head down a lot last night

perhaps that what Smart will tell him, that no matter what is going on with you that that stuff is contagious.
Anyway, a pass I guess for one night and a win.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Funny thing is this was a quirk of Nelson's

He would play the hot player or lineup over forcing a certain player back into the game.

Wonder if this is a quirk that Smart learned from his time mentoring under him.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

My two cents

First, I do not, do not, do not understand why Cousins didn’t get on the floor for the last 20 minutes of the game.

Agree with you. I had to go to a movie during the final 5 minutes. But I assumed Smart was saving his fouls. Very surprised he didn’t get back in. He played well to start the third.

Second, you put in your best 3pt shooter against a zone.

I don’t have a problem with Jimmer sitting out this game. Thronton and IT can shoot too. And Salmons was hot last night. Problem Jimmer can’t guard Felton or Crawford and Matthews is too strong for him. Smart/PW has tried hiding Jimmer on all three and he’s gotten burned in the first two match ups. If Portland had successfully used the zone in the second half like they did in the second quarter, we may have had to play Jimmer. But that wasn’t the case. I love Jimmer, but he’s going to have to play better defense to earn minutes.

Third, for all of the broadcast team’s vaunting Isaiah Thomas as "Mr. Fourth Quarter," he had some pretty bad plays.

Agree. He’s a rookie. He’s very cold-blooded and fearless, but still needs to improve his decision making.

Tyreke, Salmons, and Thornton on the floor at the same time means that our bigs don’t touch the ball unless they rebound it.

I think we can safely remove Evans from this. He had several dishes inside to our bigs, hits the bigs on the pop a lot and even hit JT for a layup on the slip screen in the third quarter.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Because he hasn't learned to get his shot off against an athletic shotblocker like

[Dalembert/Camby/etc…]

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 3, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

Yes he made some bone head “rookie” plays don’t forget that block was amazing and timely . Personally i believe that Line up was working well together Keith Smart made adjustments in the game vs GSW late and in my opinion that hurt this team and wasn’t the only reason they lost but i believe it was a factor.

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by Howard Nevens IV on Feb 3, 2012 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

It's amazing to me

That some players get to have a nice justification for playing like an idiot but others it becomes a huge liability and they get pulled….kind of hypocritical if you ask me. I’m still boggled at the DMC minutes as well…

by herehere on Feb 3, 2012 8:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

DMC

Was in foul trouble all night dumb fouls on the block why would you insert him back in when the defense was buckling down on Aldridge without him?

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by Howard Nevens IV on Feb 3, 2012 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Odd win, but I'll take it...

The most striking thing to me about last night was not Jimmer DNP-CD or DeMarcus on bench for long stretches, it was the difference Marcus Thornton makes. He’s just a helluva player when he is energized. His timing was off, but without him in the line-up we lose by 20 points.

There seems to be a consensus around here, more or less, that Marcus is a chucker, and can’t pass, doesn’t want to pass…but I don’t buy it. Its an easy but incorrect label to pin on our player just because he has a natural knack to score the basketball.

What he really is a damn good basketball player. The Kings desperately missed his competitive intensity during 5 game losing streak, the way he plays and attacks can be contagious. I love his ability to play passing lanes, get out in transition. And his 5 points on 3 pointer lay-up provided the separation at the end.

The recipe for winning is clear in my mind: Two of our three young stars have to play well to give us good chance, with modest contributions from role players. We got that last night.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Feb 3, 2012 8:54 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

That's a great way to put it

For all of the warts outside of his shooting, Marcus is extremely competitive. And this team needs as much of that as they can get.

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Henry Turner made a great point on the radio on the way home

The Kings have had many periods this year where they just don’t score for 5 or 6 minutes at a time, or their halfcourt offense starts to get stagnant. Marcus Thornton is a guy who can keep the team from getting into those situations just by being aggressive. Sometimes he’s too aggressive and gets a bit of tunnel vision, but a lot of the time he ends up getting a bucket or a trip to the line.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Holy shit

Henry Turner made a great point!?

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Marcus needs to drive with his head up a little more

talk about a guy who puts his head down on a lot of drives – whew!

If he saw the floor a little better . . .

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

He needs to learn to

give up the damn ball sometimes. He’s a scorer first and foremost, that’s his strength, but he needs to have better court awareness and be less selfish. I wanted to scream at the TV when he forced that fast break attempt in the third quarter on a 2-on-1 with Tyreke trailing him. He got bailed out with a foul, but if he just dumps it back to Tyreke that’s an easy layup.

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember the one you are talking about. Should have passed to Evans.

Hopefully Smart and Bobby Jackson can teach him. He’ll never even be the passer Evans is. But I do picture Thronton turning into BoJax 2.0. BoJax was always a scorer first, but developed into a better passer. I am hoping our coaching tandem can mentor him.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Bobby was a shoot first kind of guy

But he seemed to be able to control it, and learned to pick his spots pretty well. I like the comparison. If we can get the same kind of production out of Thornton, I’d be very happy with that.

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

Think the potential is there. They wouldn’t be identical players, but I think BoJax can teach Thronton to be a very highly effective 6th man if MT23 is willing to listen and learn.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Thornton had been a bit of a chucker this season before this game.

Relying way too much on 3’s, not driving to the lane a whole lot. But last night was the return of Thornton as he was at the end of last season and I think that has to do with his leg being healthy. Last night he was aggressive, did not settle for his jumper, and was active on D.

Salmons kept us afloat when the team was struggling, constantly making shots when “rock bottom” seemed imminent. It really took pressure off of Tyreke because Wallace had to switch back onto Salmons.

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by Wonderchild on Feb 3, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Salmons was the hero

and Marcus was great late, lack of aggressiveness late has lost us some games.

He still should pass more.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Currently ranked 101st in Assist Rate and 13th in FGA's per game

That’s among all guards playing at least 15 mpg.

If he didn’t put up so many contested shots or didn’t have so many games where he ended up shooting under 40%, I wouldn’t call him a chucker, but that’s not the case.

His efg% last night was only 38% but for once he got to the line enough to get his TS% above 50% He actually has the 4th worst FT to FGA ratio on the team. His eFG% is at 45% but he’s as many sub 40% shooting games as he’s had +50%, but he still seems to end up with the highest number of FGA’s no matter what his FG% is for the game.

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by HighTops on Feb 3, 2012 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but we have a problem with having a player willing to take a good shot late

Marcus is willing.
“Better to get off a bad shot than no shot at all”

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree
Well, Thornton had been a bit of a chucker this season before this game. But last night was the return of Thornton as he was at the end of last season and I think that has to do with his leg being healthy. Last night he was aggressive, did not settle for his jumper, and was active on D.

Last night was not a return to form from last year for Marcus, because prior to injury versus Dwight Howard, Marcus was playing at a higher and sharper level.

We still have not seen the best he has to offer. He has not found his shooting rhythm that can result in run of 25+ PPG on 50% shooting, or pass the ball like he can. I am confident he will be getting to new levels of efficiency in next few weeks.

But great to see him get line for 12 FTAs.

Smart Era, y'all.

by bench_blob on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, one thing Marcus hasn't been great at in his career

is getting to the line, which is a bit odd considering how much he attacks. Maybe he’s learning how to better draw contact, because he should be getting to the line a bunch.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 3, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Derrick Rose syndrome

He tended to try to avoid contact before, but now he’s inviting it.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Just keep avoiding it when Howard is setting the pick please.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

'he's inviting it' or creating it as evident by his many charging calls

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by HighTops on Feb 3, 2012 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I still hate how much we jog on both ends

You can’t be a running team if you don’t run. These guys jog. A lot. Especially after they give up an easy basket. They just jog or walk the ball up the floor. I hate that. Shows me little competitive spirit. If someone scores on me, I want to get the ball up as quick as possible and get the basket back. These guys slow down and wait for the defense to get set up. Something you really don’t want to do in the NBA.

by Tom A~! on Feb 3, 2012 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

We've seen what can happen when Tyreke runs full speed back down court

add some wings following and a pass occasionally and -

Last night however we rarely got into that ‘not getting the ball to the 3pt line until 10 seconds left’ mess.
But even a bit faster please, don’t let the defenses rotate and get fully set!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Man

Good thing I DVRd the game and watched the 4th quarter after I already knew the outcome. Some of those late turnovers- wow. Hopefully this will be a turning point of sorts for Salmons. I’d still rather see a random fan pulled from the stands and out on the court instead of Outlaw, but what are you gonna do?

A W is a W though! Nice to have everybody healthy for a change.

by outrider on Feb 3, 2012 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Smart is a great teacher

You can tell by the progress DMC and Tyreke have made that they are really advancing in their decisionmaking and making smarter plays overall. I’m not so sure he’s a great coach though. His rotations are a bit questionable. I feel like the Kings won this game on the back of their talent not great coaching.

by Scirocco on Feb 3, 2012 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

Largely agree

GS fans complained about Smart’s player rotations, so we may be witnessing a weakness of his.

Although, I think he’s also trying to find a rotation of 8 consistent player on this team. So time will tell if this is a new coach trying to find the end of his rotation or a real problem.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Also,

I believe that last night may have been the first game that he has had the entire roster – I think that he lost Hayes after 9 minutes of his first game, and Thornton went down the very next game.

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by section214 on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Why are you making things up Section?

According to your own post, he had 9 whole minutes to figure this out before. What was he doing for those 9 minutes? Fire Smart!

Seriously though, good point. I hadn’t thought of that.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Marcus Thornton
Tyreke Evans
John Salmons
Jason Thompson
DeMarcus Cousins

Chuck Hayes
Isaiah Thomas
Jimmer Fredette

I think that right now is our best 8 man rotation wityh the three at the bottom subbing in (When you remove Tyreke, I think you gotta put in Isaiah or Garcia for his defense, and same with Thornton/Jimmer)

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

But you left out Outlaw

Kidding of course. Would add JJ into the rotation and we need a wing. So maybe it’s more of a 9-10 man rotation.

I think the biggest challenge is handling the guards. Evans & Thornton need to play heavy minutes. And IT & Jimmer need minutes to develop. You can run a 3 guard lineup in certain circumstances. However, I think we’ll also have more games where IT or Jimmer gets very little run due to situational match ups.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly..This is why i was saying Garcia as well up there because he is a good 2/3 defensive guy, whereas i see Isaiah as a good 1/maybe 2 defender. Also remember while Salmons is a SF here, his normal position is more of a SG if i remember correctly..So this lineup would really be a 3 g linup for starts (even though salmons can defend 2/3 positions and shoot in either position too. I fyou expenaded it out to 9-10 i would add in

Marcus Thornton
Tyreke Evans
John Salmons
Jason Thompson
DeMarcus Cousins

Isaiah Thomas
Jimmer Fredette
Francisco Garcia
JJ Hickson
Chuck Hayes

With Honeycutt, Outlaw, Donte and Whiteside on the bench , in the dleague. I would also like to see Honeycutt get some more burn this year, as i Think he could really be a long term answer at the 3

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hope so with Honeycut. We'll see.

If he’s a hard worker, he seems as if he could fall somewhere on the Doug Christie-Trevor Ariza spectrum of long, quick players.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats my thought- And i see him splitting time at 3/4

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by Widowwolf on Feb 3, 2012 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha I feel like people fight more when we win!

And what we need to do is when. A coach is there to get the win during the game. A coach is there to help players get better during practice. I think its crazy to use games to make players better rather then go for wins, just like its crazy to use practice to go for wins rather then make players better.

by ThomasGQ on Feb 3, 2012 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

I think most people arguing about the rotation

Feel the Kings would have still won the game, maybe easier than they actually did. It’s not like they’re saying “it’s ok to lose as long as we’re developing our players.”

Ostensibly, I’d hope Smart is doing both (winning and developing the young talent).

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by otis29 on Feb 3, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

is salmons the best defnder?

And I do think smart has been riding jimmer, not happy with him.

by dinnertim on Feb 3, 2012 10:10 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Salmons defense the past couple of games

has kept him in the starting lineup and it hasn’t gone unnoticed by the coaching staff. He is bringing something to the table that other guys aren’t. We don’t need him chucking, we need him stopping and making life difficult for the other team’s best SG/SF. I’m ok with that as long as he also puts a little pressure on them on the other end like he did last night.

As far as Jimmer goes, he needs this IMO. One game DNP your rookie year shouldn’t totally take you out mentally. If it does, you are not mentally strong enough for this league. I believe Jimmer will perservere through this and come to play strong vs GS, which is good medicine for struggling offense ;)

by Tom A~! on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

This season is a wash, Why not see what kind of talent we have and kickbutt next year

Lucky win last night, should have been a blowout by us. Lots of brainfarts by coach and players. Blazers hype is wearing down, not a team that scares me. We are much better when we play smart bbal. Should have played jimmer in this game, how else will he get better if not on the floor. Lineups should reflect the future of team, we are not in any playoff hunt so we can give minutes to developing players for next year. Team playing will not be the same neaxt year. JJ might be gone, outlaw for sure so why not. We will garner just as many wins. No superstars on team.

by rbk84 on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

Wesley Mathews has really taken a step back

He looks a little heavy in the middle to me which may explain some of it.

If you stay close and control LMA late you have a good shot at beating them.

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Lucky win last night, should have been a blowout by us. Lots of brainfarts by coach and players. Blazers hype is wearing down, not a team that scares me.

Don’t see how it was lucky. We beat them.

Blazers are much better at home. But they are a good team. A playoff team, but not a real contender. LA is legit. They have good size and play good D. The Felton/Crawford/Matthews back court is very hit or miss though.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

We may have won

but I’ll bet Blazersedge is saying that they lost the game at the FT line.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha. True

We can play that game too though. We shot under 30% from three. We make those and their missed FT are a non factor.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 3, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

To both of you

When the FTs aren’t falling players tend to drive to the basket less and shoot jumpers (?).

And there’s always another side to the story, I’m just betting that that is theirs. How many games have we lost at the FT line? 2-3 maybe?

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

4 of the next 5 games are very winnable

Very winnable.
And we have everyone reasonably healthy. . . .

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

How much fun would a little 3-game win streak be right about now?

I won’t get my hopes up, but we haven’t had many in the past several years.

I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.

by RJinFairOaks on Feb 3, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

If we get a three-game win streak

I’ll be singing, “I could have daaaaaaaanced all niiiiiight”

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by darooster on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll be at the GS game tomorrow night yelling for back to backs!

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by lietothegirls on Feb 3, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO

“Another big contributor for Sacramento tonight was John Salmons, who was clearly frustrated that he had been snubbed by the voters for a spot as an All-Star Starter.” I know I’m super late but wow, this was funny!

by G McDiddy on Feb 3, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

I was going to say something last night but no SBnation would load for some reason

Wow. Salmons and Outlaw actually doing something positive and Jimmer getting a DNPCD?

Really weird all around last night but whatever get’s us the W

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by LLcoolRay on Feb 3, 2012 5:01 PM PST reply actions  

Serious question

Background: I’m a college basketball fan, have been for at least 40 years. I watch about 10 college games a week. Began following the Kings because of the Cisco draft and turned into a Kings fan. Mostly thanks to the analysis and comments on this site, I started to develop an “eye” for NBA ball.

That said, I really don’t remember Jimmer being that big of a deal in college ball. I mean, he was obviously a great shooter on an otherwise unspectactular team. Those guys pop up every few years, and get some notice. So, seriously, where did all of this Jimmer mania come from?

by polotown on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

Kolob?

JimmerJihadis™ are ruining this wonderful website.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2012 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

So you think it is a Mormon fanbase?

Like Yao’s following in China?

Did I just not see this when Jimmer was in college because it was concentrated on the BYU sites?

by polotown on Feb 4, 2012 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I really don't have any rational explanation.

It feels like people want him to be a great player so badly, that they cannot conceive the idea that even though he’s barely into his NBA career, he’s not already playing like an all-star.

Wishes may indeed come true, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the act of making the wish. To paraphrase Ghandi: I like your Jimmer very much. I do not like your JimmerJihadis™.

JimmerJihadis™ are ruining this wonderful website.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

that is a new simsian classic, andy. well done.
To paraphrase Ghandi: I like your Jimmer very much. I do not like your JimmerJihadis™.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 4, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I was wondered if he was the first notable Mormon basketball player, but no.

I had to look it up. He is not even the first Mormon playing for the Kings. Scott Pollard and Danny Ainge were Mormon.

by polotown on Feb 4, 2012 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

And I have a Pollard jersey. QED.

JimmerJihadis™ are ruining this wonderful website.

Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.

Which I will eat.

by andy sims on Feb 4, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

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