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Interesting article

I think it’s difficult to compare the two situations because the financing mechanisms are so different. But if the Sac does end up needing a large amount of money in bonds I don’t think the ESC will happen anyways.

What I was shocked to see was that the SuperBowl might end up costing the city money. I knew they would have to fork out a good chunk of change for the additional work force in preparation and security, but I figured they’d still reap a nice finical gain.

by Crocoduck on Feb 4, 2012 10:48 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

What I was shocked to see was that the SuperBowl might end up costing the city money

They need to look at it long term, how much will they make over 30 years if the new stadium draws events and cred to their city.
Who still worries about how much the winter olympics cost Squaw valley?
or Has the California rail museum been a net positive for the Sac area?

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Right, the financial difficulties discussed in this article seem to revolve mostly around the bonds that they used

and, as you mention, Mayor Johnson and his team seem to be doing everything they can to avoid bonds (which could potentially put the project at risk for a referendum vote).

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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 4, 2012 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Not entirely

because the problem is also compounded by the lease deals to both the Colts and the Pacers (yes I know me including the Pacers will throw everyone off but technically they are both operating under the Indianapolis Capital Improvement Board).

by wallywagon11 on Feb 4, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

With the de-industrialization of America, cities have turned to major league sports teams

to replace the heavy industries that once filled their coffers, employed their citizenry, and lent communities a certain cachet. But a sports franchise cannot replace a tire plant or a steel mill. The income generated by a franchise in a major league city is nearly insignficant – the Superbowl aside – compared to a major manufacturer that employs hundreds or thousands of people usually 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And cities without indoor stadiums will never host a Superbowl so that eliminates most of the NFL. What you’re left with is hometown dollars being diverted to service the franchise and supporting businesses while bleeding dollars from other sectors of the town’s economy. A few dozen well-paid franchise employees—players, coaches and managers, and minimum wages stadium service and maintenance staff cannot possibly make up for the lost income from stable, union wage jobs with benefits and pensions.

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by Natomaser on Feb 4, 2012 5:55 PM PST reply actions  

minimum wages stadium service and maintenance staff cannot possibly make up for the lost income from stable, union wage jobs with benefits and pensions.

that’s true but crappy jobs are better than no jobs at all and a stadium or arena draws dollars to the whole area not just to the franchise. Modern production techniques combined with the world communication and transportation network have driven many jobs to foreign shores but there’s not much we can do about that unless we vote in isolationists. We are stuck with a larger pool of labor than we need right now so we gotta improvise. The only good thing about local service jobs is they can’t be imported. If energy prices rise to the point that it’s cheaper to make hard product here then we might see a return of some manufacturing jobs but it’s not going to ever be the same as it was in the good old days of industrial america.

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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

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