Kings 114, Warriors 106: Sacramento's Inside Game Outlasts Golden State's Perimeter Barrage
It seems that whenever the Kings and the Warriors meet, it ends up being a very exciting game that comes down to the wire. That trend continued tonight, as the two teams fought each other to a standstill in regulation and had to go to overtime to settle it, the fourth time in the past seven meetings that this has happened. Fortunately for us, the Kings easily handled the Warriors in the extra period, allowing them only four points, and Sacramento won their 2nd game in a row and fittingly tied the all-time series between the Warriors at 182 apiece.
Sacramento's starters all made huge contributions to the victory, and in fact played most of the game. Marcus Thornton got off to a rough start, but thanks to a brilliant 3rd quarter, he ended up with a game-high 28 points. Tyreke Evans played 48 minutes, and ended up with 26 points, 9 assists, 4 rebounds, and 3 steals. DeMarcus Cousins (21 points, career-high 20 rebounds, 2 blocks) and Jason Thompson (15 points, 16 rebounds) feasted inside against the Warriors, and combined to equal Golden State's entire rebounding total between the two of them. John Salmons continued to play very well, with some very good defense on Monta Ellis to go with 14 points, 6 assists, and 5 steals.
Golden State on the other hand got its main contribution from its bench, just as in the previous meeting in Oakland on Tuesday. This time it was Nate Robinson and Klay Thompson that stepped up. Robinson had 20 points (8-14 shooting), 4 rebounds and 4 assists in just 24 minutes and led the Warriors' 4th quarter comeback. Thompson chipped in 16 points, including the big three pointer that sent the game to Overtime.
As a team, the Warriors were absolutely phenomenal from beyond the arc. They shot 16 of 29 from beyond the arc, with Dorell Wright (24 points, 19 which came in the first half), Klay Thompson, Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry all hitting multiple attempts.
Sacramento wasn't bad from three themselves (10-22) but most of their damage came inside, with 56 points in the paint. They also got a bunch of 2nd chance opportunities thanks to 20 offensive boards, 13 snagged by JT and DeMarcus.
The first half was a back and forth affair, with neither team able to wrest control from the other. DeMarcus got it going inside early, but Dorell Wright was absolutely killing the Kings from outside. That opened the court up for other Warriors, and then they started hitting threes.
Golden State couldn't get anything going inside though, and that seems to be a new philosophy by the Kings. During the halftime interview, Assistant Coach Todd mentioned how the team had been trying to pack the paint more and more, and it has been working. Monta Ellis wasn't able to get many easy looks attacking the rim (thanks to John Salmons excellent defense of him) and David Lee, who usually kills the Kings, was held to just 10 points on 13 shots.
Sacramento started to finally pull away in the 3rd quarter, also known as Marcus Thornton Time. Thornton was a monster in the quarter, going 7-8 from the floor for 18 points and hitting all four of his three point attempts. Tyreke Evans also chipped in 8 points during the quarter, and John Salmons was huge on defense, getting all 5 of his steals here, leading to Kings breakaway layups. It looked like Sacramento would run away with the victory, up 11 after three and with all the momentum.
The starters were clearly not doing it for the Warriors, so Coach Mark Jackson did the same thing he did as in the last matchup: Go to the Bench. Also like last time, it was the right call to make. Sacramento had no answer for Nate Robinson who had 12 of his points in the quarter, and Klay Thompson took on the Brandon Rush role, hitting three after three. The lineup that was in for the Kings (Isaiah Thomas, Marcus Thornton, Travis Outlaw, Chuck Hayes, J.J. Hickson) could not get anything going offensively, and more importantly was failing to stop them on the other end.
Eight minutes into the quarter, Golden State finally regained the lead, on one of those Klay Thompson three pointers at 95-94. John Salmons quickly answered back with a three of his own, but Nate Robinson tied it back up again, and a couple Sacramento turnovers later, the lead was 99-97 Warriors on a Brandon Rush dunk with just two minutes left going into a timeout.
The gameplan from here forward seemed to be to get the ball into Tyreke's hands. I was a bit confused as to why Marcus Thornton, who had a stellar third quarter, barely touched the ball in the fourth despite his reputation for coming up big in crunch time, and the fact that he's a much better shooter than Tyreke is. Nonetheless, Tyreke got the ball and missed a short jumper out of the timeout. The Kings defense held on the other end and forced a 24 second violation by the Warriors. This is where the Kings bigs come up huge.
After the shot clock violation, JT gets the ball inside for a hook, but it rolls out. Who else is there to clean up but DeMarcus however, and he gets the easy tip in to tie the game at 99. Nate Robinson comes down and gets open for a jumper, but misses, and the ball comes out to Dominic McGuire. McGuire, the one time King, cannot shoot the ball, but he can rebound and make layups. Tyreke Evans came up with a big block to save the bucket, but missed a long fadeaway jumper on the other end. DeMarcus got his hands on it, but that shot also popped out and fortunately it came out to John Salmons, who was clobbered by Nate Robinson. This sent Salmons to the line with 16 seconds left with a chance to take the lead back. On another note, Robinson injured his groin on the foul, and it sidelined him for the eventual overtime.
John hit the first free throw but was a bit long on the second, clanking it off the iron. Jason Thompson had a huge tap out however that went right to Tyreke Evans, and Golden State was forced to foul him. Tyreke made both of his free throws, and the lead was three at 102-99. At this point the only thing that could hurt the Kings was a three pointer, and it was the one thing that Golden State had done really well all night. You'd think that means the Kings would stick to their shooters right?
Wrong. Coming out of the timeout, Nate Robinson drove it on the line and the Kings collapsed inwards. Klay Thompson did a great job of coming around a screen on the right baseline and lined up for a short corner three. Robinson dished it to him and he delivered, tying the game. The final play of regulation was much the same as we've seen the past few years: Tyreke wanting the ball in his hands and nobody else touching the ball. I love Tyreke, and thought he had a wonderful overall game, but this is a habit he needs to break. He tried to shoot a fadeaway jumper over Dominic McGuire, and it missed, as is expected. Fortunately there was no time remaining for the Warriors to try their own game winner, and we went into Overtime.
The Overtime period saw a return to form for the Kings. They struck first, thanks to a John Salmons three pointer, and didn't let the Warriors come close after that. Stephen Curry and Monta Ellis came in after sitting the entire 4th quarter and were non-factors. Tyreke did a great job on Curry all night (11 points on 14 shots) and Salmons continued his good play on Ellis, whose only points in the period came when the game had already been decided and nobody bothered to guard him.
This was a good win for the Kings, and another step in the right direction. The team is playing more cohesively as a unit, and Marcus Thornton's return from injury and John Salmons' return to form are welcome sights. Hopefully the Kings can continue to play like this on the road as well, as 8 of their next 10 games are on the road, starting Monday against the New Orleans Hornets.
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YES!
The Warriors got Salmons Slapped!

And a monster game by Boogie calls for celebration

by kyleramos on Feb 4, 2012 11:24 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
I am happy the starters got this win for Keith
by PurpleHurts on Feb 4, 2012 11:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
teamwork
Glad to see these guys responding to coach Smart. They are really battling for him. I like your style PurpleHurts.
I was at the game tonight
Still too many Dubs fans, but the Kings fans did a pretty good job of drowning them out. And they didn’t seem nearly as douchey as they have been in the past, but they may have been just where I was sitting.
Stat of the night for me was 36 and 36 combined for Cousins and Thompson. JT really had a nice game tonight, providing more productivity with less brain farts than probably any other King.
Evans did a nice job of handling and distributing. Only 1 turnover, though 2-3 of his missed shots on forced drives may as well have been turnovers. He is still a work in progress, but the emphasis is now on progress. A very nice game for ’Reke.
Thornton was not pretty in the first half, but the 3rd quarter showed why you put up with those stretches. Most impressive was the fact that his teammates actually went out of their way to find him when he showed hot. That’s a welcome change.
Cousins continues to blow me away. His level of play right now is what I expected about half way through next year. Kid could become scary good.
I actually felt comfortable watching Salmons tee it up from 3. God help me. And he was, without a doubt, the most active King on the defensive end tonight.
Isaiah Thomas will make rookie mistakes, but he is instant energy, and he loves to compete. He had the best of Nate Robinson for awhile, but Robinson eventually made his statement, and then some…the little prick!
I liked Smart’s demeanor on the sideline. He is calm when talking to individual players at times, but he’s not above chewing some ass when needed, especially on a group level. He’s holding the players accountable and recognizing them when they execute.
The place was loud tonight, but I’m betting that it’s going to be at another level on Thursday. Can’t wait!
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by section214 on Feb 4, 2012 11:35 PM PST reply actions 11 recs
Great points. Wish I could go to that OKC game. It's going to be epic.
Loving DMC’s progress this year. One small change:
Isaiah Thomas … is InstantenergyTransition
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 4, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This is a great point
Thomas really doesn’t run the halfcourt offense as well as Evans, but what he does do is get the ball up court, fast! The team gets into its offense about 5 seconds faster when Thomas pushes the ball up, and that gives the team an extra option as they run through their offense that they don’t have when Evans walks it up.
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by section214 on Feb 4, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Nice write up
I wish the Kings fans would turn their “lets go warriors” chants in to “Sac-ra-men-to”. though, the booing is pretty effective at drowning them out.
I was originally saying Cousins will probably end up an All-Star before Tyreke because of his position. Now I’m starting to sway more towards, he might become an all-star first because he’s an absolute monster.
Back to back good games from Salmons is a VERY welcomed site. If we have good salmons(or even normal Salmons) back, this team will start knocking off some W’s.
Thursday should remind us all of the olden days. Lets hope the players respond positively
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions
I heard the "Sac-ra-men-to" chant on TV
It was awesome.
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Yeah
It was when they were reviewing the out of bounds call.
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Yeah, if we can get league average offense from Salmons with his defensive effort
along with how the other 4 starters are playing, our starting 5 is solid. Then we just need Jimmer to reappear, Hayes to get fully back, JJ to bring something and along with IT we have a decent bench. If Donté or Honeycutt can step up and be a viable backup 3, all the better. That’s a lot of ifs, but I think they are all capable.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 4, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Salmons metamorphosis
I was at the game against the Jazz in Salt Lake City and one of the things that struck me was Salmons seemed to have the speed and agility that I remembered during his first stint on the Kings. I had thought his recent troubles were due to him losing a step, getting old. But he was active and quick against the Jazz. Physically, at least.
It was his brain that seemed to be a few steps behind. The most memorable example was when CJ Miles stole the ball from him for a layup. I swear, he looked so baffled, I was thinking maybe he’s got brain damage.
His recent play is, of course, refreshing, and suggest that some of his problems might be in adapting to new teammates, a new offensive system, new demands placed upon him by the coach.
I liked him when he played for the Kings before (although I didn’t like the overdribbling). Hopefully, this new Salmons sticks around.
The bright spots that night in Salt Lake City were Tyreke’s many strengths: scoring, passing, steals, rebounds and a block or two. That seems to be continuing, although, I agree, at the end of the game, the team needs to make use of all of its talents: Thornton, DMC, eventually Jimmer (who was fouled on that last shot in SLC).
The other bright spot, of course, was DMC, who harassed Al Jefferson all night (hard to do) and looked so smooth on some plays. He’s going to be a great player. Wish Chris Webber could be an assistant coach and just groom DMC.
Oh, and JT had a good game, but every time he touches the ball, I kind of grimace.
I know that game was a week ago, but nice to see some good stuff emerging and other good stuff continuing. I’m starting to put more faith in Smart.
by boredwiththeUSA on Feb 5, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I was at the game as well
Wayyyy to man Warriors fans. It got annoying every time they started chanting lets go Warriors. It was nice shutting them up at the end though. It was a fire drill for Warriors fans with about a minute and a half left in OT
I was there too.
There seemed to be a lot of warrior fans on the side where I was at, Section 111. It was very fun to see them leave after Tyreke hit that 3 in OT.
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Should be noted that Klay's open 3 to tie, was because MT went under the screen and got tied up in the lane
and Reke’s shot to win in regulation was basically the same shot he had against Portland that iced it for us. And his 9 assists came with only 1 TO. He started off slow, but had a very nice game overall. It was a good win.
The starters were all awesome. Time for the bench to step it up now, and then we might actually have a team that can compete night in and night out.
This is where Jimmer could come in handy if he starts to earn playing time back
As a bench scorer, something we really need.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 4, 2012 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
the same shot he had against Portland
I really thought they’d blown the game at that point and that the Dubs would come out with energy in OT and win it. I didn’t see the logic of a difficult outside shot when you got a guy like Cousins and only need one point.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 4, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Klay was the inbounder, and MT had no business leaving him
MT never even got close to the ball after the inbound, and put himself in position to get screened. Smart was very reasonable about the mistake of not guarding the inbounder, saying it was a youthful mistake. I hope he’d be as forgiving if we had lost.
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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2012 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Marcus wasn't very good on D tonight
He was the one who kept leaving Dorell Wright in the first half, and Klay in the 2nd.
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by Aykis16 on Feb 5, 2012 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
MT had a very erratic game on the offensive end and defensively he is consistently all over the place
The Kings guards are a bull headed lot. It seems when they make the decision to shoot – than come hell or high water – they are taking that ball in (or up). We can applaud the determination (for Thornton, he made up for his original 1-6 3 pt shooting in the first half with drives to the hoop, mid range pops and a steal. The guy is scrappy if nothing else. Tyreke is likewise this type of player on offense, going all 1-4 flat too often.
On the Klay Thompson 3 (and you have to applaud the increasing confidence and performance of the rookie) MT did exactly what HT said – he left his man, got caught below the screen and then continued to collapse into the lane (where there were 3 other Kings already) leaving the most obvious opening for the driving guy to dish to. Just a dumb missed assignment compounded by the inability to recognize his responsibility. MT continues to play ball chaser defense over team assignment defense. I will attribute this to youth and hope and expect him to get smarter as he matures (he is just entering his third year).
by betweentheeyes on Feb 5, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Salmons
I think we all agree that the trade by Petrie and PW that brought Salmons to the Kings was a brilliant move. Aren’t we fickle.
by Bill2 on Feb 4, 2012 11:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that I am capable of drinking that much Kool-Aid
But I am willing to say that over the past two games that deal has gone from a fireable offense to a six week suspension without pay and a whacked pee-pee offense.
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by section214 on Feb 4, 2012 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh, so that's what PW was running:
A whacked pee-pee offense. And here we thought he had no offensive game plan at all.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Salmons play
Just makes it obvious how much a solid CONSISTENT SF would help this team. Batum hit 9 threes tonight by the way.
Just not having the SF be a negative would be huge
If Salmons can actually contribute a little offensively and play solid D, we could really start clicking. Plus it’s so nice to have MT and Hayes healthy.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Kings: 6-15 with Jimmer, 2-0 w/o Jimmer.
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by section214 on Feb 4, 2012 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
The Kings Facebook Post Comments
Are full of Jimmer talk, ugh.
Not overly suprising
You take a guy with the 10th pick and when he finally starts getting some traction have two DNP-CDs. I’m not overly concerned. A little surprised, maybe. But I’ll take a win over minutes for any specific player any time.
I was far more surprised that Outlaw got any time at all. There was an ugly stretch of about five minutes when he was playing where I was screaming, “What are you, PW all over again?” Glad he got the ship righted quickly.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Yeah, hope that was a one time try for Outlaw. Donté or Honeycutt, please.
No more chances for Outlaw.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Confidence
Outlaw just needs it and he can get back to being as good a 3pt shooter as Donte.

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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So if we combined all their makes
They’re shooting just over 30%.
[Feeling cold chill run up my spine and slight vomit taste in mouth]
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good Lord!
Combined they would still be below the league average.
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But he beat him last season
Greene: .292
Outlaw: .302
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
Stop it!
I need to go to bed soon, and I don’t need these visions in my head.
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Look at them now!
Wow! The whole team is looking sooooo much better lately. Certainly now without plenty of fixable flaws, but actually running offenses, working their asses off on D, etc., etc. I’ve cursed Salmons as loud as anyone all year but he’s finally come around and boy-o-boy does he make this team better. His defense was stellar! It’s so fun to have fun watching the Kings again! Finally, let’s please keep JT in the starting line up. The hustle we’ve always known about. It’s his huge improvement in patience, smarts and post play that has me psyched. Give him minutes and he gives results.
That Left Hand JT Has Developed
Is serving him well this year.
He's gone to the left hand a couple of times over the past few games,
but he needs to do it a ton more. Hopefully it’s another work in progress.
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It's crazy how much better the left hand is
I think many of us gave up on the idea that he could develop his left hand at this point, but it (and his touch in the paint in general) are a nice surprise this season.
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I like JT's defense as much as his left hand this year.
and I enjoy watching JT and DMC play together.
I also like his Dennis Rodman imitation
He’s not getting up any higher on his rebounds but he is getting up quicker. he’s tipping it up to keep it away from the opponents and that getting back up quicker to go for it again.
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by HighTops on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Great, great point
He did that several times, including on the second to last possession.
Was very Rodman/Odom esque.
Just want to point out
If we beat NO, we will be just a hair under .380.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Feb 4, 2012 11:58 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
They don't play before they play us
so even if its just one game we are good. It should be at least 2 though, that was disgusting
I kinda enjoyed watching scola get stomped on the face actually
by Kingsfan916 on Feb 5, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They should suspend Scola
for what his mug did to the bottom of Love’s shoe.
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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
For the regular post-win scaling post
Our current record: 0.348 scaled to 82 games is 28 wins. More than both the last two seasons.
I won’t trot out the usual “and our schedule will only get easier” line, because tonight was one of those easier games, but it’s good to see us finally capitalizing on those.
Also Paul Westphal’s record coaching the Kings: 0.298 (24 win season)
So far Keith Smart’s record coaching the Kings: 0.375 (30 win season)*
- Analysis conducted by the Institute of Small, Westphal-Tainted Sample Sizes
by jveezy on Feb 5, 2012 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Heh-heh...Westphal taint

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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Glad to see
I wasn’t the only one who saw that.
By the way...
Can we PLEASE get past the Jimmer shit when the team is winning and looking much, much better. It would be great to see Jimmer getting burn and getting better but not, I repeat, not at the expense of winning and playing better. Get the line up that’s getting results to do so consistently and THEN worry about getting Jimmer minutes. Come on guys, there has been so much to complain about this season. Let’s not create complaints when there are good things to celebrate. Cheers!
by rstewartwest on Feb 5, 2012 12:01 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Who exactly are you repsponding to?
It’s like you’re expecting a bunch of Jimmer complaints and when they don’t come you pretend they are there.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Feb 5, 2012 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Quite a few of them during in game blog and a couple few here
by rstewartwest on Feb 5, 2012 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Fredette about it!
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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I only saw one or two in the game thread
There are probably more sarcastic pro Jimmer jokes than real complaints at this point.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Could be the case
Maybe I just didn’t clue in… I’m happy to be wrong on my original assessment.
by rstewartwest on Feb 5, 2012 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
I think many of us are past the Jimmer shit
But some of your sentiments seem to hint at the notion that Jimmer had something to do with previous losses. Maybe you’re not meaning that. And obviously, many players on the team playing poorly led to those losses, including Jimmer. But he was never what Salmons was (although I now feel icky even speaking ill of the fish after his Resurrection).
I do think it’s a valid time to start rationally discussing what Jimmer’s role on this team should be. We have so many effing guards, and they’re all playing quite well without him. In the past 6 games he’s played, Jimmer has shot better than we could hope for, and he’s hasn’t done anything to show that his shooting streak is over (I’m not going to write him off for his 2-5, 14 minute game against GS, or his airball against Utah). His defense obviously lacks, but I don’t think it’s inappropriate at this point to analyze if his 14-20 points a night are worth it considering his other deficiencies. I’m not saying this in support of Jimmer. I’m just honestly asking people’s opinions. I’m not mad he hasn’t been playing. Happy as hell we’re winning, but I wonder what impact all our players can make and what there rolls can be as Smart himself has stated he expects his rotations to be more consistent and established in the next 20 game stretch. With Jimmer not playing the first 2 games of this new stretch, it begs the question what we should expect out of him, what coach Smart expects out of him, etc.. Thoughts?
it begs the question what we should expect out of him, what coach Smart expects out of him, etc..
Hopefully he’ll be used in situations where he can succeed . Maybe knock down threes occasionally if a defense is packing the paint etc. but if Smart wants to win the margin of error is so small that he’s gotta go with what works now and can’t spend much time experimenting with what might not. The more time smart spends with this squad the more he’ll figure out the role for jimmer.
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2012 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Time to start considering what GP thought Jimmer's role would be when he drafted him.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Petrie passed over a Playmaker Sophmore PG for the Senior High Scoring Guard who’s too small to play the 2 in the NBA.
After seeing Tyreke and Thornton play at the end of last season, it certainly didn’t look like the Kings could pass up on Jimmer. And, I have no doubt that if it weren’t for the Lockout and the subsequint hiring of Smart, Jimmer could very well be our starting PG.
But, without any preseason, Tyreke had to carry the load while Jimmer eased into the spot. Then along came a coach who actually could help Tyreke and now were seeing the type of game out of Tyreke that we always hoped we would, minus the midrange jumper.
Tyreke’s game would be the same if he were playing the 2 along with a PG who has an outside shot, so it’s possible that as Jimmer gains experience and the team learns how to play team defense, we could see Jimmer starting at the 1. If not, it may be that his career is best served somewhere else.
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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I watched IT get 6 quick points
then had to watch my UW play college ball, come back and he only played 14 minutes in an OT game. Did he screw up?
Not really
He made a couple of bad decisions, but nothing huge. Simply, Thornton got red hot in the 3rd quarter, so he didn’t sit. And when the 11 point lead evaporated quickly in the 4th, Smart went primarily with the starters down the stretch.
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Actually think 14 minutes is about what you should expect to see
With MT healthy again, and Salmons playing better, neither IT or Jimmer should be getting more than about 15 minutes a game.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
40 for Reke, 40 for MT and 16 for IT
Think I’d rather see Jimmer take 5 each from Reke and MT, but I’m afraid the above is what we’re going to see.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
I'd be surprised if we don't see some more Jimmer play soon
He was actually looking pretty good recently and good 3pt spot shooting is a pretty valuable thing in the right situation. If you were going to bench him, it should have been back when he was sucking. Not expecting a ton of play. But 5-10 minutes.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I didn't pay too much attention to his defense
But I suspect that’s probably the reason IT is getting more playing time than Jimmer. I think we’ll start to see Jimmer get his minutes against teams with bench guards that are poor shooters and maybe aren’t as quick. At least that’s the best explanation I can think of considering we’re all pretty much in agreement that he was making a good improvement on the offensive end.
Smart has said the reason IT gets minutes is because he is oozing confidence
and energy, and it spreads to the team. Jimmer doesn’t have either, and is a huge defensive liability (not things Smart said explicitly). So it’s not much of a surprise he isn’t playing.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 5, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
And to be fair to Jimmer
Those are correctable problems, and he’s a smart enough guy that he’ll be back sooner than later after fixing them to enough of an extent that he’ll be able to play more minutes without those problems being so apparent.
For the most part, the rest of the team has shown that his shooting is replaceable at least on a short term basis. If he needs to sit out while working on the other parts of his game, I don’t mind. We’re not exactly in the playoff hunt in the Western Conference.
Hopefully he fixes it soon
He seems like his head is on straight, I don’t think he’ll let his opportunity go to waste
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't have any confidence either
If I were a ghost white guy surrounded by ripped, athletic black guys, and coaches…
Let's call it 108 minutes for the guards
48 for each guard position plus 12 minutes behind Salmons (instead of seeing the bucket of yuck come off the bench). That could be around 38 for Evans, 36 for Thornton, 18 for Thomas and 16 for Fredette (yes, I think that Fredette could make more of a contribution than Outlaw/Greene/Garcia).
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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Defense
I think Smart wants the “defense” of outlaw/garcia more than the shooting of jimmer at this point
That means putting Reke at the 3 for 12 minutes, and I'm not sure
that jives with Smart’s “Reke is a PG” plan.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
He can still run the point
He just has to cover the opposing team’s 3.
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I'm okay with it, just not sure that's what Smart has in mind
based on the last 2 games.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
40 minutes huh?
I still think that’s too many for anyone in this condensed season.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 6, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
There are 4 players averaging over 38 with Love on top at 39.4
Tyreke is 15th at 36.6.
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Last 4 games Reke has played 40, 44, 41 and 48 minutes.
Not saying I like it, just saying that it’s looking like this is what Smart has in mind.
May change when we start playing more back to backs again.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 6, 2012 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
There are plenty of road blowouts ahead of us where the starters can get some rest
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I actually thought about the need to quantify my statement when I posted it
I ultimately felt that there was no need. Thank for proving me wrong…yet again!
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Well played. Although if the two pics are related
I really don’t want to think what the second picture might be a close up of!?!
So glad we beat them in OT
After last years infamous choking gesture in an OT game in sac by cousins it was huge for him a have a great game
Today we spell redemption R-O-N
by FTFeli on Feb 5, 2012 12:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Double double, animal style
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by section214 on Feb 5, 2012 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i like how cousins keeps talkin about team ball
by Kingsfan916 on Feb 5, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
The thing about DMC
is he is emotional and immature (or at his normal maturity level for his age) in some situations, but he’s understands the game and is a smart player (will get smarter with experience).
So, I think the sky’s the limit.
by boredwiththeUSA on Feb 5, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
He is a joy to have on our team.
Asked if the Kings had any intention of trading Cousins, basketball president Geoff Petrie said, "No."
My two favorite plays by DMC tonite?
1. When Robinson took Salmons, DMC sprinted over to be the first one to help John up
2. When JT had that great tip back to Reke after the missed free throw, DMC came up behind JT and gave a huge bear hug.
This shot
and the hook shot where he fell down to the ground afterwards and ended up being a three point play, were totally DeMarcus trolling Mark Jackson.
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Nice Win
All I want is fiery competition from the team, no more blow outs, and that is what they’ve been doing these last few games. Outlaw better show something soon or else he is going to join Kenny Thomas and Mikki Moore as my least favorite Kings off all time. The team should have just bid the minimum on Outlaw. As far as Jimmer, I’m fine with him not getting a lot of minutes, but he has to play spot minutes every other game or so until he gets more comfortable. If you don’t play him at all for a stretch it will become a bigger story then it needs to be, his game was coming around anyways.
by youknowit100 on Feb 5, 2012 12:10 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Smart's post-game makes me wonder what has been going on before him
He said everyone had DMC pegged wrong and that all he needed was some direction. I mean, it couldn’t really have been that simple right?
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 5, 2012 12:14 AM PST reply actions
It's possible...
In retrospect, Westphal didn’t seem to be the nurturing type. More and more it seems that he wanted the young guys to behave like vets and didn’t have much patience when they didn’t (see yo-yo rotations, etc.). Just speculating. Curious to hear others takes on this.
by rstewartwest on Feb 5, 2012 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's not Westpals job to teach the rookies, it's the rookies job to teach him.
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by HighTops on Feb 5, 2012 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I always felt that both he and Theus has “former star” syndrome where they were still competing with their players on some level. Smart was a journeyman who worked for his minutes and career. he comes across as a very smart basketball person. I like how he describes the plays and what he is trying to do. PW always seemed like he was searching for the funniest way to dumb it down for us non- industry folks (and he just wasn’t that funny).
So, yes, i do believe that it can be that simple (but I would add that his run ins with PW and officials have also fuel for his fire)
Big man coaching
Seems to baffle a lot of NBA Head Coaches,most of whom were guards.
The recent improvement in Jason Thompson-who someone wanted to be a SF,and whom I really wanted for my Rockets :) -reminds me of Landry’s statement that Thompson wasn’t really coached up very well and that he would be so much better w/decent coaching.
And I wonder if Hayes coming back has been reinforced Smart and if Hayes is doing some coaching of his own.
And... I'm over editing .gifs... I'll make .gifs, but this editing stuff sucks. Either I'm doing this wrong or it takes WAY too much time

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 5, 2012 12:21 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
Don't stop they are too good!
Did you have to buy a program that does them this well? The only stuff I can do is like 5 frames.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 5, 2012 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Photoshop does it.
But it’s definitely a pain. All I do on mine is overlay text at specific times, and even that takes me hours.
Photoshop. You import a .gif and it separates it frame by frame
Then you get the joy of editing each frame. This one was 20 frames out of the 140+ original .gif. I edited the first 20, then copied the 20 in opposite order to make it “smooth”.
When I do the highlights. All I have to do it import the video and it will automatically break it down frame by frame, then I just pick the ones I want and save it as a .gif
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 5, 2012 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah editing GIFs is a pain
This is simple and good though. Love it.
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I liked Cousins post game interview
http://www.news10.net/video/default.aspx?bctid=1434256295001
When him and JT’s stats were brought up, he deflected and gave all the credit to JT. It was never about him, his comments were always about the team.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure if the cameras caught this
But another note on Cousins maturity. He thought he was fouled, got up, SCREAMED something at the refs, but before he could even finish what he was saying he caught himself and apologized to the ref. He was a good half second away from getting a T, but instead he caught himself, apologized, and called the ref over and discussed what happened with the ref normally.
I’m almost certain last years Cousins would have got a T or two, or three or four in these last few games.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Another thing I’ve noticed about Cuz in the past couple of games is he’s forcing things a little less down low. If he keeps up that trend and stays a little more balanced down there, we’re in for some amazing play from him.
Yeah, I saw and commented on that in the game thread.
Was very happy with how he handled that.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 1:03 AM PST up reply actions
You're right, I loved that
He noticeably stopped and composed himself.
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Is that when he calmed down and did the "come here" finger to the ref?
He’ll learn you don’t boss around ref’s either.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 5, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
Made the same comment on Twitter during the game
He definitely would have earned the T in that situation last season. I was really excited to see that improvement.
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JT is playing incredibly well.
I would normally say he’s quietly racking up good games because generally his lines get overshadowed by Evans and Cousins and sometimes Thornton, but it’s not really quiet since we’re all observant enough to pick up on it.
In 9 games as a starter this year JT is averaging 52% shooting with 10.9 points, 9.1 rebounds, and only 2.2 fouls and is getting better. He’s also doing this next to a center who is also putting up big numbers as well. This is a player who went from a starter who couldn’t stay on the floor his rookie season due to making too many stupid plays and fouls to sharing time with Carl Landry, Sean May, and Jon Brockman to barely getting any time with Cousins, Dalembert, and Landry on the roster to expendable in the offseason after trading for Hickson. Now he’s starting again and he’s showing the maturity we didn’t see from him in the past. While, like everyone else on this young team, he still makes the occasional mistake, I think we’re consistently seeing him make good decisions with the ball and his numbers are reflecting that.
Totally agree. I want JT on this team long term. I think there are very few teams around the league
that wouldn’t want a guy like him as their 3rd big and that’s what I think we should be projecting fromm him down the road. Hopefully JJ comes around and along with Chuck and a developing Whiteside we have our bigs in order. Quite a few ifs there.
Guys like JT will always be easily movable as long as we don’t sign him to a K9 like contract. Sign him in the 5-8 million range for 4 years and we’ll be glad we did.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 1:28 AM PST up reply actions
I will third this statement in agreement with jveezy and Kfan.
JT played like a solid starter last night. He defended well, rebounded like a fiend, had a few smart tap out rebounds, found some easy scores and some tricky ones and added a timely block.
His improving play couldn’t come at a better time with poor Chuck Hayes still very hampered by his ailing left shoulder.
by betweentheeyes on Feb 5, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
They are crazy. He's a great player. IMO it's very similar to some Kings fans and their opinions on Reke.
Some fans are so overly critical of the players they see every game, because they are comparing them to the ESPN highlights they see of the superstars in the league. If these same fans watched all of the Lakers games, for example, and saw how many shots Kobe misses and how many times he dribbles out the clock and settles for a fall away, they might have a different opinion of our players.
Our guys all have a long ways to go, and I’m not sure that we have a true superstar on our roster, but we’ve got some very good players and some around here are way to quick to write off some of you young guys.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 5, 2012 1:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
if the dub fans want to get rid of Curry; I say that we will gladly take him off their hands..
how about Curry for Cousins?
Mirror on the wall
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by Skeptic con Urquell on Feb 5, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
Not a snowballs chance in hell
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Feb 6, 2012 9:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Crazy talk
As much as I think the Curry – Tyreke combo is almost a perfect one, you don’t give up a future perennial All-Star Big man for anything but an established Star – if even then.
I will take Curry though. Imagine a 3 guard rotation of Curry, Tyreke and MT.
Nice!
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by lietothegirls on Feb 6, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Dubs fan...
SMH.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 6, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
How about for JT?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 6, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I think you are being a bit too hard on Evans for the last play in regulation
First off, I hated the play. Hated it.
However, Evans seemed to be waiting for a Cousins screen and Cousins seemed turned around on the play. I hope Smart didn’t draw up the 1 flat 4 in the huddle. In just don’t think it’s fair to say this is what Evans wanted, as it’s not his fault that either a bad play was drawn, someone messed up or the team just froze.
Yeah, didn't look like the 1-4 flat to me
Everyone didn’t clear out. I tend to agree with your assessment of the play.
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I also don't think it was the designed play
But it was awful. Reke has to be aware of the clock, and work to get a better shot in that situation.
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He did that at the end of another quarter as well
He stood there just looking at the coach waiting for a play or something and ended up not starting until 4 seconds left in the quarter. By then he just had to heave a desperate 3 which did not go in. I think it was the first quarter.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
Reke is very tied in to Smart's play calling. He seems to have his head swiveled toward the Kings bench for much of the 4th Q and OT
This seemed to stifle the offense some as it slowed the already slow to initiate Evans even more so.
Anyone else seeing that?
by betweentheeyes on Feb 5, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
I saw that too
I think it is just a consequence of learning Smart’s system on the fly. The Kings seem to be installing more and more plays as the season goes along.
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It was after a timeout!
How, why in the hell would he be looking to the bench for a play call?
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by lietothegirls on Feb 6, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
It was odd. Coming out of a timeout there should have been a play designed
Evans appeared to be the second option on the inbounds as Thornton ran over first but was covered. Wonder if that led to confusion as Cousins seemed turned around and ran up towards Evans late IIRC.
Totally agree Evans should have started his move sooner, whether things were bungled or not. Mostly felt it was a bit unfair to in the write up to say Evans got what he wanted with no one else touching the ball.
I just am wary about implying we know a player’s motivations in that situation. I agree we have seen to much Evans 1-4 flat, but Evans has been passing when we have run plays. And when Thornton or Jimmer has gotten the last shot, I have never seen Evans storm off the court looking upset.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 5, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Make it a 3 game winning streak and beat the Hornets, Kings!
I’m loving coach Smart so far, really am, keep it up up Kool Keith.
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by Letsgokings13 on Feb 5, 2012 1:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Somewhat mystified...
Hello….Jimmer Fredette hailing from Canadian obscurity…
Regularly tune in via internet to watch the Kings play following the decision to draft Fredette – quite enjoyed his game at the collegiate level.
However, he isn’t playing at this juncture so this concerns me. Here are some of my observations. In general, young players require playing time to develop. The decision not to play him is unhelpful. He is probably best suited to a reserve capacity at this stage of his career but he does enough things well to justify his presence on the floor in each game. Not sure why the dramatic change stemming from Keith Smart. I am not sure of Keith Smart’s motivation or rationale. I have many questions for Keith Smart.
Fredette has been struggling when penetraing due to his lack of size (on the smallish side at the NBA level). However, he is still a dangerous shooter. Why not start with this skill set from a coaching standpoint. Find ways to use ball screens to generate scoring opportunities for Fredette. Try setting up Fredette off of dribble penetration.
Always have Fredette guard the point guard. He is small but he is quick and his best opportunity defensively is to guard the point. Having him guard bigger 2 guards makes little sense. Presumably Marcus Thorton and Tyreke Evans can handle that assignment.
I have to admit that I haven’t liked watching the Kings as a team. Very individualistic group of players that don’t share the basketball. Too much dribble and too much one-on-one play. They have improved somewhat under Keith Smart so maybe give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. But, until they can win against quality teams playing this way I think the “jury should be out” on Smart’s leadership.
Demarcus Cousins is an outstanding talent to be certain but his personality/temperament is not exactly inspiring. Smart has spent time appeasing this player – not a bad move if he wants to keep his job. But, from an outside observer standpoint when he approaches Cousins one way and treats Fredette another it doesn’t look so positive.
Maybe this isn’t the best setting for Fredette. Of course I like the Raptors and the team has an international/cosmopolitan feel. Dwayne Casey is great coach. He uses his bench and assigns players clear roles. He has players from all over the world on his roster and he treats them with respect. If you don’t want Fredette send him north.
Where the hell did this come from?
Demarcus Cousins is an outstanding talent to be certain but his personality/temperament is not exactly inspiring. Smart has spent time appeasing this player – not a bad move if he wants to keep his job. But, from an outside observer standpoint when he approaches Cousins one way and treats Fredette another it doesn
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 5, 2012 2:39 AM PST up reply actions
"Down South",
the people on this website actually don’t have the power to send Jimmer anywhere.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 5, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions
/Jimmer Jockey with Canadian Flag on the Jockstrap.gif/
"Crescit cum comercio civicas"
Throw it around the back so it look fly when I pass//
Just to avoid the block go high off the glass//
I'm killing them out there they gon' have to bring caskets//
This all I hear after the baskets *swoosh*//
by HarveySpecter on Feb 5, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Glad to see Salmons taking a turn for the better...
I hope I didn’t just jinx him.
Next, I hope the Kings can get more out of Outlaw. I would like to see Outlaw focus on defense and rebounding; he has the springs. If he’s unconfortable with his back to the basket he needs to face up and go to the rack; he has the springs. Beyond the arch he can’t rush the shot; pump, take a few steps in and shoot the mid-range. Sort of similar to Reke, I think it would benefit Outlaw if he could work on less unnecessary forward/backward jumping motion on his jump shot. That last shot by Reke I thought had some extra arch on it. I think both Reke and Outlaw would benefit if they can add a little more arch on their shots.
Disagree.
At least Luther Head played good D when it was in, he might have been terrible on offense but if I remember correctly he had some pretty outstanding games on D, especially against CP3. I don’t see Outlaw doing anything good on either side of the ball.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
Luther did play good D.
And Outlaw’s made a FEW good defensive plays recently. Even though he’s not known for his defense, maybe that’s what Smart is hoping for. He has the length and wingspan, that’s for sure.
Honestly, I think he is worse.
At the shootaround before the 2nd half, everyone was practicing their shots. JT was at the foul line, IT was practicing put backs, Cisco and Thornton were practicing their 3pt shots. And then there were Donte and Outlaw, competing with eachother 8 ft beyond the 3pt arc, taking turns trying to make a shot that would never come up in a game situation. It just looked like more immaturity to me.
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Umm there are tons of times with long 3 pointers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0xJM1Z7kos
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by Widowwolf on Feb 5, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Been to last few Warriors games.
And its not really even debatable that the Warriors fans have far surpassed Lakers fans in douchiness. Last nights game was shocking. It was worse than as bad as any Laker game I have ever been to. A win was so needed. Hopefully next time we get their numbers down.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Feb 5, 2012 2:54 PM PST reply actions
And it's way worse than normal since they got new, sick jerseys.
All the lame posers flock to buy them even if they aren’t NBA fans.
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 6, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions

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