GAME 53 vs Atlanta, Game Thread
(Things will get back to normal soon. I hope.)
I will not laugh uncontrollably if Beno Udrih abuses Mike Bibby. I will not laugh uncontrollably if Beno Udrih abuses Mike Bibby. I will not laugh uncontrollably if Beno Udrih abuses Mike Bibby.
I will probably laugh uncontrollably if Beno Udrih abuses Mike Bibby.
But that doesn't mean I don't appreciate all the good years Mike Bibby has given the fans of Sacramento. Because I do.
I just want to see the next point guard abuse the former one. That's all.
Go Kings.
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LOL @ I won't make fun I won't make fun
And I will cry
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 20, 2008 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
The sky is crying Kfan if that happens
It's good the fans get the chance to cheer him
Are you ready
Webb
Webb
You
Bibby's passing skills
Lets..
If you don't want Bibby criticism
I have a feeling Mike Bibby
Boyoboy...
Great feed by Brad
Nice transistion by Bibby there
If Mike gets hot
Speaking of Spencer Hawes
Hawes is gifted in skills dept
Welcome back AJ!!!!!
Dammit Kmart!
DAMN KMART is right...
Shelllllllllllllllllllllllll-den!
Couple things
Agree about Hawes
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 20, 2008 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
1st quarter down
LOL @ this question
(Bibby came over with Brent Price. Jason Williams and Nick Anderson went to the Grizz.)
Where's Wa--Douby?
Shawes needs
Childress shoots the ball like I did when I played
All sidewayz n junk, gangstalicious?
One large difference
Haha
"Game recognize game, Grandad!"
LOL @ that
Please God,
I love seeing teams get
hahaha
Was that
There'll be
I don't want to trade this Ron
Amen!
Good Ron is so damned seductive he makes you forget that Bad Ron lives in the same guy.
Don't want to trade this Ron
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 20, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
Just what I hoped...
Yes he is
I doubt anybody will buy high
Seriously
Denver won't convince themselves
Whatever you want to call it
But of course the norse the horse says
Al Horford vs Kevin Durant
If you don't like scoring
Sign him.
As long as he scores like this, sign him.
As long as he makes plays, sign him.
As long as he doesn't knock someone out, Sign him.
PS~Does Grant remind anyone of Master Billy Quizboy from the Venture Bros? Google it.
Is it possible...
pookey -
Nope
LOL
You could
20 PPG
7 REB
4 AST
0 ARST
Also...
LOL
But to be fair, he can earn an hour off the collar for every hour he spends doing something good for the community.
For a guy whose limping
Like Kmart says
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 8:44 PM PST reply actions
The Artest Discount
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 8:45 PM PST reply actions
If/When Ron Goes
I can't envision Ron getting less than 5 years at $12 million per, and if he does get less than that you probably don't want that Ron (the one who thinks he got short changed) on your team. So, if we pony up $60 million for him you can say bye to Beno as we will already be over the cap for next year by about $10 million or more if my math is right.
I'm Thinking More Like
Keep that chip on his shoulder all the way to the championship.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 11:10 PM PST up reply actions
That's an excellent point
That's Effective :)
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 8:50 PM PST reply actions
man...
He's Crazy Good
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 8:52 PM PST reply actions
He's...
They need to quit passing to him inside. He's just not getting the job done. He's not aggressive enough, and Atlanta has some excellent young shot blockers that are all over Brad.
It wasn't Brad's fault
I'd like to see Douby get minutes
by SavageBeast on Feb 20, 2008 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love to see artest back too...
I actually hope they lose
Actually
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Careful what you wish for
. . . last year's Boston Celtics. Of course it worked out pretty well for them. But losing doesn't necessarily mean a great draft pick. Those ping-pong balls are funny things. I'd always rather see a team play hard.
by SavageBeast on Feb 20, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
One thing about A. Johnson
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 9:09 PM PST reply actions
Kick Cisco.
Garcia =
by SavageBeast on Feb 20, 2008 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
next year
Next question...
Garcia = inconsistency.
Garcia
Nah, he's a decent player.
Garcia is the perfect 6th man
by SavageBeast on Feb 20, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
You can never have
I was surprised the Spurs moved Brent Barry, but I guess he's banged up. Don't think they wouldn't love to have a cheap guy like Garcia who's not afraid to take the big shot.
My only concern with Garcia is not paying him too much when his time is due. Too much for me would be more than $3-4 million a year. Of course, that's a ways away and things could change between now and then. In the meantime, I'll just relish some more of those sweet shots. The dude can stroke it.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Have you ever played a sport?
Seriously, have you? Cuz that is one of the dumbest comments I've read here and I'm not generally that critical.
I'll tell you as soon as
Besides...
Don't look now
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 20, 2008 9:20 PM PST reply actions
IDK
Brad
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 9:26 PM PST reply actions
Agreed
Time to close it out with some of that
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply actions
benooooooooooo
Such an entertaining game.
Ron-Ron
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 9:48 PM PST reply actions
You know what
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 20, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Market
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 20, 2008 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
WB AZ we've missed you
Beno, I knew ya could.
Damn Ron...
by Saifullah on Feb 20, 2008 9:54 PM PST reply actions
Nice line
I'd say he thrashed Bibby. But I didnt actually watch the game.
All things considered
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 20, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
errr....
Guilty as charged
by Kingsfan banished to AZ on Feb 20, 2008 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Fantastic Game
Who really is the odd man out?
Another monster game by Artest. I hope he stays.
Forgot to mention
John Who?
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Ron lovers and 'Cisco haters ?!?
To those claiming Garcia is expendable, I could not disagree more. he's a good clubhouse guy, that plays hard every night, has no fear, and plays tough D. He looks like a more athletic Tayshawn Prince to me. I'd give him an extension this off-season.
You might need to refresh my memory
You can blame him for the fight in Detroit, but there's no way the Pacers win more than 60 games in one year before that without Ron Artest playing his ass off. And Indiana's current woes have more to do with the trade with Golden State than Artest.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Ron has not ruined any franchises
It was a trade that Indiana had to do
I'd say,
Maybe more like the difference between small market and big market teams. In smaller markets (especially single team towns like Portland and Sac or towns where your bball team in the least of your major league franchises like Indy) maybe issues get magnified. Especially when they're not winning.
Look at how Portland has embraced the Blazers since they've basically replaced that entire team, it's not much (if any) whiter...the guys are just better players (and citizens) and the city is falling in love with them again.
But you and I have different life experiences and perspectives, so I can't say you're wrong. Things just look different from where I live as a fan.
I read an interesting profile of Caron Butler recently (prolly from a TrueHoop link). Here's a guy (like Juan Dixon) who's lived the roughest of rough when they were younger but seem to have outgrown it. My issues are with the dudes who escaped horrible upbringings yet want to perpetuate what they've escaped by continuing to relive that lifestyle but have the means to live better and safer lives. And I've never understood fans who ridiculed Peja as a soft white Euro player if they've ever read a couple of articles regarding his youth. Bombs, guns, and racism in his home country forcing his family to relocate and lose everything. A seriously ill brother. Maybe he wasn't clutch, but I'd guess he wasn't soft to have made it as far as he did.
My worthless two cents.
KK
Caron Butler had a hard life? I didn't know that, but I've always liked Butler, and thought his only really disappointing year as a NBA player was his only season in LA because he was caught in the pull of Odom/Bryant and never really fit in. I'm glad to see he's flourished in Washington for 2 reasons. A) he's really talented, and B) he's a smart guy who carries the burden of being a thoughtful inciteful media go-to-guy which is not a small thing in a political/black town like DC.
Last but not least, and I thank you for your intelligent response, thanks for the hat tip on the Caron Butler link. Butler is a guy who seriously enjoys his time as a NBA player. (I would also pick him as the best Wisconsin native player to ever play in the NBA if I had my way. Although I would stroke my chin thoughtfully over Latrell Sprewell and Terry Porter.) Either way I always appreciate your responses, and that's regardless of whether I agree with them (which I do in this case).
I've come to the conclusion
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 20, 2008 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Whaddya know?
There's some shocking news
Holy crap
Its time to face the facts, Ron isnt worth the $ somebody is going to give him this summer, so we might as well get something for him. A few more wins this season doesn't get us a thing.
by 27freethrows on Feb 20, 2008 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
I Respect Your Opinion
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 20, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
don't disrespect Tayshaun like that.
I don't hate Cisco.
Ummm I like da Cisko KId
Me too
by 27freethrows on Feb 20, 2008 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Getting Tony Parker
I wanna see these guys have their full careers
Let me put it this way
So let me say this. How many playoff series did Michael Jordan and the Bulls play in before Scottie Pippen/Horace Grant got there? How many playoff games did MJ win before either arrived?
In 84-85 they went 38-44 for a respectable record (in the mid to late 80's finishing below 500 was not considered to be mediocre the way it is today).
In 85-86 they went 30-52 and got lucky making the playoffs. Of course Jordan dropped 63 in that game Larry Bird (in his own magical prime) said he saw God in basketball shoes.
In 86-87 the bulls went 40-42 to make the playoffs again. They were a mediocre team, but good enough to make the playoffs. And Michael Jordan is, despite every attempt I've launched about how "overrated" his defense is, or at least talked about anyway, truly showed how incredible he is.
In Pippen's/Grant's first season the Bulls went 50-32. I rest my case. So the next time somebody tells you that the Bulls were all about Jordan (and mostly they were--but they were great teams and great teams don't have ONLY one great player) you can say un-unh.
Agreed.
Pippen was definitely Robin
I really can't stand it when people bash the importance of role players. It shows a complete misunderstanding of the game and leads to teams like the Nuggets, Houston, ect, that have no good, smart role players and will never win a championship. Look at any of the championship teams in the history of the game, and you will always find a plethora of smart role players (which always include at least one 3-point specialist). Every single one of those Bulls teams had such players, from John Paxson and Steve Kerr, and of course Grant, ect (if my memory was better I could name 15 more). And just because these teams had plenty of such players does not mean there are plenty out there - many teams in the league have none or don't use or value the ones they have properly. Just look at the impact an "interchangeable" player such as Kyle Karver has had on the Jazz. Role players like Cisco are the difference between championship teams and pretenders. So RECOGNIZE.
ummm...
My league-knowledge of that time is a bit limited, but I thought he was crucial at that point.
And, oh yeah - in Jordan's "baseball" time off, Pippen lead the team in 5 categories, from his NBA page:
Pippen led the Chicago Bulls in five categories-scoring (21.4 ppg), rebounding (8.1 rpg), assists (5.2 apg), steals (2.94 per game), and blocked shots (1.13 per game).
Pippen is top-50 all-time. The guy is friggin nice.
You're selling Pippen Short
Chicago's record during Pippen's tenure.
Houston in the shortened season where Pippen played for a season when went 31-19.
In the 5 years Pippen played in Portland his teams had win totals of 59 50 49 & 50 wins. Yeah, Pippen was an awful player who had no real impact on the teams he was on. That is complete and utter bullshit. Stop dis-respecting a top 30 player of all time.
I would agree with the top-30
You're my groupie
FOR THE RECORD
Who's agreeing with who, good sir?
We agree Pippen was a great player
Top 50
Jordan, however, was the leader of that team. Pippen, much like our friend K-mart, simply does not have the temperament of a a leader. I was not comparing talents - they were both incredible - but Jordan was still Batman in the sense that he was the one setting the drumbeat, the one with the fate of the team in his hands at the end of the game.
P.S. Like most arguments, this one started more with a dislike of a tone of voice than a disagreement with a statement.
Batman
Can NOT
Fransisco
New nickname suggestion: "Garcizzle"
OK, Bottom line:
Case in point: Atlanta
They signed JOE JOHNSON to be the franchise in ATL. Think that was worth it, for either side?
They're building through the draft, but they ALWAYS do, and they hardly get crap out of it anyway. I'm pretty sure Joe loves the money and hates going to work. I'm also pretty sure leaving PHX was about the dumbest thing he did career-wise. Real star FAs aren't jumping to a team of scrubs, ever. Ron is the closest to a bona-fide national star the Kings have at the moment. He goes, you won't get anyone else of his caliber as a FA. I think that's just the way it is, fellas.
If You Pay Them
What good is money,
I'm a big Mitch Richmond fan
Lots o players
Derek Fisher
Larry Bird
Steve Nash
Dirk Nowitzki
Tim Duncan
Blahblahblah...
Tell me that Mitch averaging 21/3.9/3.5 Scoring 40+ in The All-Star game as MVP and playing on the Olympic Team while playing in a major city wouldn't have made him a MAJOR commodity?
Derek Fisher?
Shove it up yours
Why do you take such pleasure in being a dick?
ummmm...
Bird: A white great player not making it big? And he was huuuuge in college, everybody knew who we was before he got drafted. Plus, epic clashes with another great adds to the legend.
Nash: You have never seen a Steve Nash interview if you think he has no charisma. The dude is hilarious; didn't he do an interview for Playboy?
Nowitzki: The great German Hope? He was notorious as soon as he was picked, no one believed a 7-footer could make threes. And mind you, the year they beat the Spurs, (almost) everyone thought he was fierce.
Duncan: Don't even go there. The Virgin Island baller, who started his career as a swimmer and only played ball cuz Hurrican Hugo ruined the pools? The guy has never said the wrong thing, and San Antonio loves him. You telling me San Antonio is a big market team?
You're making my point
Derek Fisher is well known in LA
And fuck you.
As usual you have a soothing voice in these
Yeah
Winning big is what makes someobdy a face. Being dominant and winning big is what makes somebody a face.
What the hell am I saying? I don't know, maybe I just wanted to put that link of Tim Duncan up. What is going on.... Waking up at 2 am and attempting to start your day isn't healthy for the mind.
Happy Trade Deadline Day Everybody!!!!!!!!!!
Go back to sleep Iash
OK
First, Vlade may be a man of his word but the reason that he came here is because we offered him the most money. That's what free agents do. They sign for the most money.
Second, we have not had major money to throw around in the free agent market since the year that Divac signed and we traded for Webber. Since that time we have spent our available big dollars on re-signing our players.
Third, Mitch languished here because we sucked, not because he was in Sacramento. San Antonio is no larger than Sacramento but somehow David Robinson, Tim Duncan and company have gotten their due.
Avery Johnson isn't suffering from
Would yer grampa
Nobody in my family gives a shit about
Kudos
Would the average joe
With 3 rings
Jeez,
I've never wondered why it was considered
Dude he has 4 rings
One other thing...
Vlade could have signed with a better team
I was speaking previous to the 'golden years' my bad.
San Antonio CITY is no larger than Sacramento. San Antonio is the 2nd largest city in Texas and 7th largest in America. There are 1.3 MILLION in San Antonio CITY. There's about 1.3 in Sacramento COUNTY.
We sucked because we couldn't get anyone to COME HERE.
If the Kings start winning they will to come,
San Antonio MSA had a population of nearly 1.9M.
Sacramento MSA had a population of over 2.1 million.
Based on census data as of 1/1/07.
Pretty even. Slight advantage, Sacramento.
Why do you think Webber, Bibby, and Peja are nationally known? Simple. The Kings used to be good and on par with the Spurs. They were nationally televised because they were good, not because they were a big market team.
Duncan was a draft pick on a bad team. So was Peja.
Webber (and Artest and Christie) had baggage, that's why Sac got them. Bibby was an underperformer (deja vu Shelden Williams) on a bad team so he was tradeable.
Ive..
Although we dissagreed, I don't think either of us convinced eachother to change our respective opinion.
I love Sac. But I honestly don't think the big names (players who made the All-Star team that year) will voluntarely sign with the Kings as free agents. I just dont think so.
Who gives a shit honestly?
I don't get this I really don't. Losing Ron Artest decreases the chance a star will come? I don't get that in any way. The Hawks desperately needed a player like Joe Johnson and got him. If they make the playoffs, and they might this season, then isn't Johnson being a 2 time all star justified? Johnson isn't as talented as Artest, but isn't nearly as un-attractive to other teams either. You don't think half the teams in the League wouldn't listen to an offer for Joe Johnson if Atl made him available? If you don't think so you're really stupid.
Wow.
Joe Johnson has NOT lifted that team ANYWHERE. Would you trade equal value to get him, a 1st option for a 1st option? Not with his track record. A 3rd option(though a very good one) in PHX, and definitely not a transcending player as the 1st option in ATL. Otherwise, why not make the deal for him w/ Artest and bodies?
I would trade Artest for JJ
faster than you could say
Not to say
upstaging Bibby
Well Said!
Artest AND/or FAs
I'm not so sure on all the salary business but just for arguements sake pretend Artest is extended, like Martin, and Sac can offer a good contract to a top FA...what % will want to come knowing it's "Artest's team". I know money talks but some players may think Ron's too coo coo. Soooo...can Sac win (it all) with Artest & Martin as the Batman & Robin or do y'all hope SAC is renting Artest right now and the brain trust is already preparing for the next deal to present itself (sign-n-trade or whatever)? It seems the fan base is really split down the middle.
My opinion - prepare for another Batman.

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