The Salary Situation
Here are the salaries committed for next season:
Brad Miller $11.4 m
Kenny Thomas $7.9 m
Shareef Abdur-Rahim $6.4 m
Mikki Moore $5.8 m
John Salmons $5.1 m
Shelden Williams $3.4 m
Spencer Hawes $2.2 m
Quincy Douby $1.4 m
Francisco Garcia $2.0 m
#12-14 pick $1.7 m*
Two second round picks $0.0 m*
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Guaranteed salary: $56.3 m
Projected salary cap: $57.0 m
* denotes 'best guess available'
** no set salary scale for second-round picks
Available avenues for signing and re-signing significant players:
Midlevel exception: The team can sign any free agent(s) for all or part of the midlevel exception, which should be around $5.2 million. The deal must be at least three years in length, though only the first season must be guaranteed. This is the only way the Kings could sign Beno Udrih this summer, unless they drop more than $5 million in a trade between the end of their season and the day Beno is signed. The max contract which could be offered to Beno (or any other free agent not currently with the team and barring sign-and-trades) would be a five-year, $30 million deal (estimated). The rules allow 8% raises from year-to-year, so in the 5th year he'd make $7 million. Of course, the deal could start lower, and thus finish lower.
Bird rights: The Kings have Ron Artest's Bird rights, and as such they can pay him a starting salary of up to $16 million for a deal as long as six years. The total deal of a max contract is something around $120 million for six years.
There are no technical rules preventing signing both Beno Udrih and Ron Artest this summer. The only thing stopping them, beyond their own reservations: the luxury tax.
The Maloofs won't be paying for a luxury tax for a team which wins less than 50 games. My estimate would place the luxury tax level around $69 million.
Let's suppose Beno signs a deal for a portion of the midlevel -- $4 million is the starting salary. That'd put 2008-09 salaries at $61 million (assuming at least one second-round pick is signed for the typical second-rounder contract). The Kings could start Artest's contract at about $7 million per year with breathing room for necessary roster fillers (of the Justin Williams, Dahntay Jones mold).
Let's suppose Beno signs a deal for the full midlevel, which seems fairly probable if he keeps up his performance from the last two nights. Take another million off that flexibility in signing Artest -- you can start him around $6 million and feel comfortable with the tax line.
Do you think Artest is going to take $6 million a year to stay with Sacramento?
If the Kings decide they will make Artest an offer he'll sign this summer, they will either have to:
- Trade current players to one of the four teams under the cap to clear space.
- Not sign Beno and replace him with someone cheaper.
- Pay the luxury tax.
It's going to be really, really hard to keep Ron Artest past this year, if that's the plan.
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by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 4:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Double crap!
I think in the short term most of us will enjoy watching Ron Ron knock people on the floor, gloat over them, drop the ball on their heads, and felx his bicep as he runs down the court. Who wouldn't? That's exciting stuff.
But when Ron Ron walks next year and we look at whoever is still on the board when Denver or Phoenix drafts, we will be crying.
The bottom line is, we are about 90% sure to lose Ron and get nothing back. I don't know that this is details as much as common sense. GP is probably scratching his head about next year as much as the rest of us.
by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
by rico 59 on Feb 21, 2008 4:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The only other option I see
by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 4:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And
by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 4:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm a genius
We hypnotize Ron. He then permanently becomes Good Ron. We then have the following starting lineup:
Beno - A great, true PG who isn't too selfish and will pass the ball.
Martin - Simply amazing scorer
Salmons - Another excellent scorer, good defender
Artest - Amazing at both ends, likes to pass the ball out of the double/triple team a lot too
Miller - Great point center having a resurgence
Something tells me the Maloofs might be more inclined to pay the luxury tax for this team. Especially knowing some of the crappy salaries will come off in a few years, they'll be much more patient.
If hypnosis doesn't work I know a doctor who does great work doing lobotomies.
by vfettke on Feb 21, 2008 4:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did you read the diary?
In your scenario, THERE IS NO BENO.
Hypnotize, lobotomize, whatever. It's the money at this point. It's the cap. It's the NBA rule that says you can't go over the cap to sign a free agent.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Good Ron is still crazy
by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
King Ron-Ron
by DB on Feb 21, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And if he opts out?
He opts out.
He's gone. Or... We pay upwards of $10 mil for him as a free agent and hope he stays the Good Ron you've become enamored with.
In the mean time, we lose Beno and Garcia.
This is an upgrade?
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Splain this to me
What am I missing here? Why not just go up to 68 next year?
by kangsfan on Feb 21, 2008 4:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the only way to go over the salary cap
by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then
by kangsfan on Feb 21, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Different sport
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No I meant
by kangsfan on Feb 22, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This Mess.....
by ridnour8 on Feb 21, 2008 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's not about the luxury tax
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are wrong
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2008 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It could happen that way
Keeping Artest in no way makes us better next year than we are this year. And it could make us worse.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with the crap situation we're in
That being said, I'm as perplexed as anyone here. I'd much rather have a pick and expiring deals right now, than 3 months of Ron and then watch him walk. And I don't think there's a chance in hell we'll be paying luxury tax within the next couple years.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2008 6:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by DB on Feb 21, 2008 5:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Then who is your freaking point guard?
by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys
by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe..
by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 21, 2008 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe I'd accept that
You're on the wrong message board, bud, Kamehameha has some fansites elsewhere. I may slip up a post, but you permanently screwed your login!
Hand played, biatch!
by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice one
by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 21, 2008 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're an Artest fan
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 21, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was just
by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 21, 2008 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pffffft.
by Psychrates on Feb 21, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Ron takes a lot of heat for dominating the ball on offense but is it really his fault when the rest of the team is content to sit back and watch him? Ron needs cutters to pass to when he draws the double team.
by KingsFan on Feb 22, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I've come up with one other scenario
by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 5:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well yes but
The above requires:
- the team willing to pay the most for Ron is only willing to pay 10 a year
- Ron wants to play for that specific team. If he's not getting the $ thinks he deserves (12+ a year), then he will go to the team he most wants to play with.
- That specific team is then stuck in the exact salary situation described above
- They have somebody we would in hte correct price range.
- We'd also be looking at a 2009 or 2010 pick.
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if our intention is to keep ron
Overall my level of Kings enthusiasm plummetted after the Artest non-trade. The thought of turning down the opportunity to have 2 first round picks (either Denver or Suns) and 2 seconds vs. having 1 first and 2 seconds sickens me. Also, what happend to tyronne lue? He was also too valuble to part with?
by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 5:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If the Kings resign Ron look for Salman's to be traded.
by KingsFan on Feb 22, 2008 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is going to be able to bird on Ron?
If all these teams are already going to be over the cap, who is going to be able to bid on free agent Ron (be he Good Ron or Bad Ron)?
by misterbrister on Feb 21, 2008 6:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think
by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't write this in my blurb
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reminiscent of last year with Matt Barnes
Maybe we can circulate some Bad Ron rumors to drive down the price? Something crazy too, like starving his dogs....
by misterbrister on Feb 21, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to circulate it
by KingsFan on Feb 22, 2008 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've had some time to not jump off the tower
The problem with re-signing Artest is that any deal that will cost the Kings luxury tax is un-reasonable. Meaning any big $$$ free agent puts the kings in luxury tax unless they get an expiring deal the size of whatever player the Kings could conceivably attach to Artest (like Kenny Thomas) in whatever sign & trade the Kings concoct.
The Kings can't keep Artest without losing Garcia or a bigger contract like Miller or Thomas. That's going to take time to pull off, which is something the Kings don't have if they're going to pay luxury tax. Signing Ron Artest is just going to be hard to pull off WITHOUT paying luxury tax.
Seattle might have cap space after their deal netted them some expiring contracts. But they won't have that much expiring contracts, and why would they sign Artest with Collison, Durant and Green on the roster? They already have too many F's as is. Why add another one?
Charlotte will have cap room. I guess, and this is just a guess, that they would rather have Emeka Okafor than orchestrating some complicated s&t involving Artest.
Philadelphia will have cap room. Why would they go after Artest with Iguodadala and Thaddeus Young on the roster?
In other words Ron may not opt out because it may not be beneficial for him to take 2 million less dollars to do so.
Petrie really scrwed up if he didn't take an offer of Najera Smith and a 1st rounder. If he didn't get that offer from Denver, and it's possible Denver wasn't willing to include the 1st rounder, then Petrie didn't have any real reason to Artest. He clearly had little market to deal with for the guy. Which is a telltale sign that the Kings are trying to force the market to come to them for a player that isn't coveted to that extent by other teams. Details will come to further clarify this point.
These are the players I'd like to see the Kings have next season: Martin, Salmons, Garcia, Douby, Hawes, S. Williams, and Udrih. I'm open to anybody else being dealt or let go as a Free Agent (especially Artest). That 1st round pick may net a valuable player (I still want Darrell Arthur or that type of player even with the presence of Williams) that may make the Kings productive.
Petrie fucked up big time. In not moving Artest for little value, he cost Salmons some effectiveness (and some market value perhaps) down the road. Salmons is alot easier to move, and the Kings may have to move him as a way to free up the spot for him to have a more productive spot somewhere else. Petrie fucked up, and he fucked up by not giving this young roster, with a new coach, the stability it needs to move forward. All it accomplishes by keeping Artest is keeping a touch of that instability Ron is so famous for. After several topsy turvy type of seasons it's clear this franchise needs less drama. Whether that drama came from in-fighting of Bibby/Artest, it is clear that drama came from both, and Bibby always provided a little on the side himself before Artest came, as did Artest everywhere he's been, it's un-fathomable Petrie didn't calculate the negative effect Ron will have the rest of his time here.
Petrie fucked up because I think his legacy of making great trades was at stake. He wanted to get more than anyone else thought he could around the league for Artest. So he watched every team lowball him because of THEIR fear factor. Who loses? Petrie, and the Kings. He lost this deal by not making one. As a fan I'm very disappointed in Geoff's ability to not move forward from Artest even if it cost him some of his aura around the Kings. Because even though a fire sale is tough to swallow the upcoming months may be an even worse possibility. The next 2 months is going to suck.
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 6:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
time
by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 21, 2008 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Petrie made the wrong move
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
random thought
Yes, I'm reaching for straws ...
by thekangarooster on Feb 21, 2008 7:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wrote that too
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm,
by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think you're reaching
Petrie has to prove he'll honestly not do a deal and let the deadline pass, instead of caving and making a bad deal. Now other teams cant just call his bluff in the future. While I am pretty pissed he didnt get moved, I would have been worried if he got a non-expiring waste of 3 million and a second rounder.
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 8:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
G N-T P
by NYCFan on Feb 22, 2008 6:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
take a deep breath
I still would have preferred Atlanta's #1 for Artest. The Hawks aren't making the playoffs anyways, and if they do we still get a legit mid-1st pick.
by coachtheus on Feb 21, 2008 7:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct
by smgmatt on Feb 21, 2008 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus...............................
Looks like Ron-Ron might give us another year to mull the options.......
by Reverend John on Feb 21, 2008 7:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Ron does not opt out
Also, Amick refers to Ron's salary for next year as being $7.4 million, while Hoopshype has it at $8.45 million. Anyone know the right number?
by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 7:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd guess the 8.4 is right
If it's the 8.4 we'd be right around 65 mil, leaving ~4 mil to sign Beno and fill out the roster while staying under the tax threshold. It'll be tight. But maybe Artest not opting out is why GP didn't blink. Interesting news.
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2008 8:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no luxury tax
by sactown on Feb 21, 2008 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Please refer
by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did, did you?
by sactown on Feb 21, 2008 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Providing
by section214 on Feb 21, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beno would be better off
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a possibility sir
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my take is...
OK, I know you had a lot of hope invested in sending Ron Ron on his way, Pookey. I wanted to see Artest moved too. I get it that he's too much of a wildcard to bank the future of the team on. But to point your finger and say "Petrie fucked up big time" and imply that his ego got in the way of his making a deal is unsubstantiated and frankly, over the top.
First of all, it sounds as though there might be a serious rift in the Denver organization, and reports certainly seem to point to Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke stepping in to nix any deal involving Kleiza because of his son's friendship with Linas. In other words, Geoff wasn't dealing with a team making it's decisions completely rationally, nor even with a GM who could pull the trigger, even if he wanted to (which seemingly he did).
In any case, the consensus is that the proposed Linas/Nareja deal was sound from the perspective of Denver, and Nuggets fans are fuming about this a lot more than we are.
http://boardreader.com/tp/Stan+Kroenke.html
Secondly, here's a crucial point to keep in mind: An NBA GM isn't proposing these deals in a vacuum, or on a one-time-only basis. The guys you negotiate at the trade deadline are gonna be the same guys you deal with in the off-season and next year too. So, if you're Geoff petrie and you cave and agree to what amounts to basically a crappy, one-sided, deal because it's the only one you could get at the time, those other GM's are gonna keep low-balling you, expecting you to blink. You soon become a Billy King or an Isaiah Thomas, a guppy being circled by sharks.
We all know Petrie wanted to move Artest, and that he tried hard to move Artest, but he wasn't gonna get taken to the damn cleaners just to make it happen. It's not about ego, it's about keeping your integrity and looking at this in the long term.
by Mucho Moss on Feb 21, 2008 7:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
FANTASTIC post
I pretty much wrote the same thing as you about Petire proving he has a spine. You're right on.
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Denver Rift Over Kleiza
PookeyGuru's point holds that even if Petrie could not get Kleiza he should have gotten something for Artest. Maybe he still can as part of a sign and trade, but part of the lure of Artest at the trade deadline was that he would not be around long term to go crazy and ruin any chemistry your team has.
Petrie was right to try to hold out for Kleiza, but once he realized he was not going to get him I think he neededs to pull the trigger on whatever he can get.
Sure it would have been obvious that he was the one that blinked, but all the other GMs would have realized that Denver had the leverage and Petrie had no choice but to cave in order to get something for Ron.
by Jeremy on Feb 21, 2008 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy you're a quality guy
Assuming Artest doesn't opt out, which is of course a natural assumption at this point given how the trade offers for him went, that puts the Kings in a luxury tax bind to keep Beno Udrih. If you asked me a week ago if trading Ron Artest for expiring deals and a 1st round pick was worth it I would have said yes. If only because paying luxury tax is an option for a 50 win team, but not for an underachieving team that probably won't reach 500 for this season.
Oh, and also, I need to read your blog more often. I've enjoyed what I've read so far.
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think either GM
by otis29 on Feb 22, 2008 4:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't only the 1st year of Moore's contract
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2008 9:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If I remember correctly
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bummer. Guess we'll just have to sign
by Kfan in Korea on Feb 21, 2008 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to love the Beno acquisition
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pookey
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 22, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No Money? No Problem!
No problem. We pay Artest the $8.4 million he's due next season and sign him to an extension that kicks in the year after. Ron is not going to get the big payday due to his other issues and Sacramento needs a cheap star to offset the fact they have $14.3 million tied up in K9 and Reef while needing to remain competitive enough to get an arena deal done.
That leaves $3.3 million for Beno in the first year of his new deal, which sounds about right for the 34th best point guard in the NBA, according to Hollinger's PER stats.
Look at that list and figure out who we are competing with to resign Beno, and I bet the list starts to shrink quite rapidly. And most of the teams that need starting point guard help are bad teams that should be able to fill that need in the upcoming NBA draft, where four of the top 15 picks are projected to be point guards.
If Beno doesn't want to take our $3.3 million, I guess we will have to take our chances with D.J. Augustin or Darren Collison running the show and Tyronn Lue in back of him.
A few folks wanted to make this a choice between Beno and Salmons vs. Artest and a rookie point guard. Now I'd rather have Artest AND Beno, but if push comes to shove, give me Ron and the rookie. No contest.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 10:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Average point guard salary
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2007-03-28-frontcourt-salaries_N.htm
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Point guard salaries
Rank Name Salary
39 Steve Blake $4.3M
42 Jason Williams $8.9M
45 Marko Jaric $6.0M
53 Damon Jones $4.2M
57 Luke Ridnour $6.5M
Those were the only five names I checked, all below Beno's current ranking.
I would be scared to look at salaries above both his current ranking and where he's likely to end up by PER ranking by the end of this season.
You probably should have spent a few extra seconds checking this out before posting that Beno is virtually worthless and lucky to get any kind of offer out of Sacramento at all.
by KK on Feb 21, 2008 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuckle
Players above his ranking who will be paid less than $3.3 million next year: Nate Robinson, Jordan Farmar, Rajon Rondo.
Free agents who are ranked above him and are earning less than $3.3 million this year: Jose Calderon, Louis Williams (actually probably a 2, but Hollinger has him as a PG), Eddie House, Jannero Pargo (actually he has a $2 million option for next year),
Beno is far from worthless, but $3.3 million is probably in the ballpark. If it's not, we may have to look elsewhere or draft one of the two point guards that may fall to us. And that draft pick money is already figured into TZ's calculations, so that would give us an extra $3.3 million to play with. Maybe that goes towards an extension for Garcia.
I might add that new teammate Tyronn Lue ranks two spots ahead of him. A free agent, he earns $3.5 million this year and will probably make less than that next season.
Kyle Lowry of Memphis ranks two spots below -- in other words, a good game or two from switching spots -- and he's set to earn $1.16 million next year.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Careful
All those players you mentioned (except for House and Lue, who had a really bad season last year in NJ) are on their rookie contracts, that's why their pay is that level.
Everyone of them. None of the rest have yet to test the open market, which will drive up their value pretty high.
Plus, PER ain't everything. It was a good point to bring up, you just missed that fact.
That being said, I freaking hope Beno gets esigned on the cheap.
by iashwash on Feb 22, 2008 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point it's the only hope
by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bird Rights
What's the big deal? You guys act like the money is coming out of your own pockets. The Mav's payroll this year is over $100 mil. Sac is number 21 out of 30.
by KingsFan on Feb 21, 2008 11:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No the Kings don't have bird rights to Beno
The big deal is that the Maloof's have shied away from paying the luxury tax the last several years once the team stopped contending for a championship. My opinion, and personal feeling, is that Artest, while immensely talented, is not consistent enough to be part of a core for very long. Especially when you have adequate swing players to compensate for him. And if not trading Artest keeps the Kings from re-signing Beno Udrih then I'll easily label the non-trade as the worst Petrie move ever. (And there won't be a close 2nd.)
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How much
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I know and what I've seen here?
I'll say this. There is a market for Beno, and it's clearly going to start with the Mid Level. I think there will be at least a team like Seattle, who I think wouldn't hesitate in the least, given Presti & Carleismo's ties, combined with the fact they still need a PG, to give Beno the MLE if Clay Bennett doesn't mind the fact he'll have about 18 million tied up in 3 PG's.
I think the Kings have the inside tract to re-sign Beno. I just think keeping Artest makes the team pay luxury tax, when it shouldn't, and pay too high a price to keep a team it doesn't need to keep together for any real reason. I haven't seen what real value Artest brings to this team long term quite honestly, and investing in a player long term means long term value. So while you'll disagree with me, and all that, we're not going to argue. Our values and belief's are different here. That's all there is to it.
by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In your opinion
I am not all that familar with some of the other stuff out there outside of what I have seen at Basketball Reference and 82games.
The other thing that confuses me about Hollinger's PER is that he says he takes into account defensive stats, but then he doesn't really list any in the rankings (outside of defensive rebounding).
I know no ranking system is perfect, but I think if a player ranks high using 2-3 different approaches it gives you a different insight into their abilities.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not Mr Stathead either
by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2008 12:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree
I'm excited to see what the team can do over the rest of the season as well and how that translates into their hopes for next season and the future.
I am really glad to see the deadline pass, and I'm sure the team is as well.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 22, 2008 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Today's Sac Bee
by PissedOffGorilla on Feb 22, 2008 6:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great News
by KingsFan on Feb 22, 2008 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Artest has the respect of other players in the league. If he doesn't opt out he'd be damn cheap for his two-way talent and Sheldon Williams I believe will become a much better player under his tutelage. To John Salmons, I say, quit your bitching and find a way to contribute. Practice getting to the basket without the ball. Practice having your mind in the game so when you come in it's like you've been in since the beginning. Flaco hits his shots. You can too.
The Kings have beat Dallas, San Antonio, Utah, and New Orleans this year with a rickety seven foot center, a manic-depressed rhinocerous, and a bunch of young over-achievers. Geoff Petrie believes unflinchingly in potential. We all should. It's just a happier way to see the world. Plus, I think the Maloofs will pay up if they think it will bring them a championship which will in turn improve their popularity which will boost their self-esteem which will then make them think their ridiculous life is all worth while.
by NYCFan on Feb 22, 2008 6:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whaaaaaaat?
What team have you been watching this season? Because I've been watching a team that has a point guard who isn't afraid to drive the lane and take contact, can make a big shot, and is a good defender. This same team has a center who has been cleaning the glass, blocking shots, playing hard, physical ball, and is a great passer and shooter.
And do I really have to defend Martin to you? The kid can flat out play, and there isn't a GM in the league who doesn't covet him.
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 22, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Martin is fantastic
I've enjoyed watching Miller for the reasons you said too. But, we're halfway through the season now and I don't recall seeing Brad Miller in a Kings uniform and not being injured at some point plus he's in his thirties.
The team in general has been a lot fo fun to watch in part because they are beating teams full of expensive talent and expectations with kids no one expects much from: an oft injured resurging center, the league's most famous headcase, the league's most surprising star..in part because Petrie believes in potential, he's optimistic, he sees when players are not being given room to grow in other places and he takes chances on them. Sacramento is an organization of second chances. I think it's great.
by NYCFan on Feb 22, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see this?
"If there's a competitive offer on the table, the hometown team would become very appealing," Artest's agent Mark Stevens said.
Now, this is the Post so take it with a mountain of salt. Additionally, I have no idea of the timeline of this statement versus Artest's newfound desire to not opt-out of his contract.
by otis29 on Feb 22, 2008 8:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
I am hoping the Kings go 23-6 the rest of the way and squeeze into the playoffs on the last day. I think that would be good for both Ron and Beno and ultimately the Kings. That's my pipe dream.
Of course, the Kings could do the usual and bomb out in Charlotte tonight.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 22, 2008 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
23-6
The Kings are exactly as far out of the 8th spot as they were when they got everyone healthy. Now Bibby is gone for Shelden Williams. I like the trade for what it did, but what it did not do was make us significantly better this year.
by section214 on Feb 22, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Probably Right
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 22, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Very Strange Article
"Artest, a Queensbridge product, will likely opt out and become a free agent and the Knicks can offer him the five-year, $30 million mid-level exception as a free agent."
Later it has Stevens offering up the "competitive" offer quote, but I am sure he doesn't find $30 million for five years competitive.
So it's a mish-mash, and you are correct to question it.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 22, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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