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I Completely Agree With Marty McNeal

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Marty McNeal's column on possible replacements is pretty dead on. He argues it's a situational thing - someone who's had success elsewhere might not work here, and someone who's been screwed elsewhere could be awesome in Sacramento.

And like me, McNeal looks to support Mario Elie as an early candidate. Elie will be heavily mentioned for two reasons: he interviewed last year, and he's the polar opposite of Musselman personality-wise. He has assistant coaching experience, he's a championship-winning former player, he has relationships with existing players including Ron Artest, he was a tremendous defensive guard, and he's young and unaccounted for.

But the key is, even if Elie isn't the choice... there's no telling what the next couple years will bring, and the coach is only a piece of that. We may cover this hire like it's the moon landing, but keep the perspective that ultimately this summer's draft and trade season will decided wins and losses a lot more than whomever takes over Musselman's job.

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Re: I Completely Agree With Marty McNeal
I actually disagree with the last part -

[[We may cover this hire like it's the moon landing, but keep the perspective that ultimately this summer's draft and trade season will decided wins and losses a lot more than whomever takes over Musselman's job.]]

I felt the Kings had an okay offseason last year, and had high hopes for the upcoming season after the 2006 playoffs against San Antonio.  I loved the John Salmons signing.  I wasn't thrilled with the Quincy Douby drafting.  But I liked the fact we kept most of our core (with the exception of Kenny Thomas) around, and I did like the fact that Kings chose Musselman to be their coach.

Two months into the season, you could just tell it wasn't going to work - the Kings had no identity as a team, and that fell on the shoulders of Musselman and Petrie.  Obviously, Petrie decided at the trading deadline that Musselman was gone and he was going to start from scratch, and the new coach was going to have some say in any moves Petrie made.  

...and the new coach was going to have some say in any moves Petrie made...

See what I'm saying?  Whoever coaches this franchise is the next piece to the puzzle; and after that, the Kings can start putting it together, so to speak.  First with the draft, then with some trades, and if finances allow, maybe a free agent signing.  But it all begins with the coach - and then what moves Petrie decides to make.  

If Petrie is going to ship everyone with a big contract out and we're going to completely suck next year, then fine - promote an assistant like Brooks and see what happens.  But if that's the case he may have well as kept Musselman.

by bballblog on Apr 24, 2007 9:52 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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The Maloofs are enamored with defense, Petrie has long won with offense...

Do you think the coach will be the deciding factor in which way they go? Because right now, with Artest and Salmons (defenders) and Bibby and Miller (offenders offensive players), it's a mish-mosh.

by Ziller on Apr 24, 2007 10:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I do think the coach will be the deciding factor.  I think it was the deciding factor last year, and it hurt the Kings cause apparently the players wanted more direction on offense, than defense.  

My choice?  Let's join the rest of the league and become an offensive minded team.  Move Artest to a team like Miami and draft a player who's strengths are on offense.  

Miller is pretty much untradeable (except to a team like the Spurs) and Bibby has limited options as well.  It may seem hard to move Artest but I think it'll be easier than moving both Bibby and Miller.

Let's go with the offense, draft a player who will help out offensively and hopefully Brad and Bibby can come back healthy next year.

by bballblog on Apr 24, 2007 5:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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What way do you think they should go, TZ?  

by Kusian on Apr 24, 2007 10:46 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Offense in the short term. It's easier to move one guy (Artest) than two (Bibby, Miller). And building around Martin with an offensive post player would be delightful.

Eventually, you'd love them to be well-rounded like Dallas, Detroit, and San Antonio: some great offensive players who aren't complete defensive liabilities mixed with above-average offensive players who are very good defensive players. Not exactly easy.

by Ziller on Apr 24, 2007 11:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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This is Petrie's team to fix. A new coach will have very little to say about who comes and who goes. This was the beauty of Rick Adelman, he had complete trust in his friend Petrie to make the right moves. Any coach we bring in has to understand that all decisions on roster moves come from the top and that the ingredients that you are given are it. If you can't make a meal out of the ingredients, you better change the menu and fast. This roster is going to look a whole lot different in a matter of weeks and any new coach coming in has to be up for a challenge because what ever is left after the house cleaning is most likely untradeble or young (Martin, Garcia and Williams).
We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Apr 24, 2007 11:05 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I think the knack of putting a team together is looking at what you have with the talent you have and who or what is available.  Petrie is pretty good at finding guys who can play and can fit in with what players he has on his roster.  Folks said you couldn't win if your two guard as your best player but Phil Jackson, Jerry Krause and Michael Jordan figured it out.  Its realising what you have and making it work for you.

Who is the leader of this team, as I think the captain or leader needs to buy what the coach is selling, is the coach a system coach ie Phil and the triangle where you need certain types of players, or a Nelson or D'Antoni type who looks at who they have talent wise and coach to players strengths.

In sports to win I reckon a team has to have
is the alpha male team leader, Jordan was that guy, Shaq is the same guy, Kobe has.  The Kings have had a lot of really good players but no one guy to keep everyone in line.  Webber a great talent but did you ever have faith with the ball in his hands and shot clock running down, I never felt he really wanted it.  Bibby while he wants the last shot, is a lousy defensive player and is not keen on listening to the coach as he thinks he knows more, he did it to Adelman and Musselman.  Artest, he has his own challenges with life.  Vlade great locker room guy, and a better person but I don't think winning basketball games defined what he is all about

The Kings have too many decent sized contracts of players with minimal value to find someone to take them.  Dealing Petrie I think has to make other GMs nervous as he rarely gets the worst of any deal.  Is there a market for Kenny Thomas or Brad Miller?  I would think you would have deal a young guy with one to get anything back, is that a risk worth taking?  

The one guy who I think may be a good fit would Andrei Kirilenko, yeh he has a long term deal, but he is multi talented, yeh he is injury prone, but he has not played much this year.  The question I would wonder is that because he can no longer play or Sloan doesn't like him.  If he can still play would you think a deal of Artest and Thomas or Abdul Rahim or some version there of would work

To play a defensive orientated game you need players who can play defense.  Of the Kings of the last 10 years only Christie and Artest come to mind as being good defenders.

As a fan I would be happier if the team looked like they cared or were trying, if they put Garcia, Martin, Salmons and Douby etc these guys got out there gave it a max effort, sure they may lost some games but they developed there games and showed promise for upcoming years

by Murf on Apr 24, 2007 11:56 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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Sloan would never take on a knucklehead like Artest and he already has a point so how would we get AK-47 without giving up a package of Martin, Salmons and K-9.

I think it's more likely we deal with a playoff team that get's bounced early and needs a point guard to get them over the hump. Orlando comes to mind and we may want to look at a Darko sign and trade with throw ins for Bibby. Not that I would want this trade but we have to get Bigs now.  

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Apr 24, 2007 5:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I would be more than willing to deal thomas artest salmons if it could bring back tangible assets. Also  dealing reef would not be out of the question either i dont think. He has a manageable salary (about 5.8 mil i think next year) and could help teams. I'm not opposed to andrei kirilenko but giving up k-mart cisko douby or any combo to get a player like AK47 is not worth it.

Excellent points made btw murf.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2007 6:25 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: I Completely Agree With Marty McNeal
It is a good column by marty mac. It is a total situational thing. I agree with the point (and have said it for several months now also) that alot of moves will be dictated where and what teams get what in the lottery. Any move they make will be dictated by what they get from that. So while it's all good fine & dandy to expect that the kings may get a 10th overall selection it's not wise to expect that a team (and there is a bunch) will make a trade to make 1 @ this point. Change for change's sake especially when you draft a young impact player like durant or oden is not a wise way to go.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Apr 24, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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AK47 has a long term deal, which before you made a deal for him you would want to see how he is medically and that he doesn't have a proverbial fork in him.  Artest has a year left on his deal maybe Sloan would put up with him for a year, I would doubt it myself, its just a thought I had

Darko I would not want to be paying big money for, I don't really like paying big money for potential, thats how you end up with players like Jerome James, Nene and Jim McIlvanne on your roster

The Lakers wanted Bibby, I would think they still do as Kobe is not getting any younger, If the Cavs flame out, they may come back again.  Yeh he has a decent sum of money owing but its two years (its always easier if its other peoples money isn't it), for a team with players he can play off ie Lebron and Kobe thats a risk they may want. I can't see who the Lakers have that the Kings would want.

What you want is guys who can play, I don't want to get a player becase he is big, look at Phoenix they have a lot of skilled players, yeh they have Stoudimire.  I admire Don Nelsons approach of getting as many skilled guys on the floor and let them do what they do best, I'd rather go that route than gamble or risk on a big guy who has the dreaded upside

by Murf on Apr 25, 2007 7:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I would think about Farmar and Bynum from the Lakers (salaries don't match, I know) but I think it is a deadly proposition in sending Bibby to the Lake-Show (or no-show... did you see them get pounded by the Suns... gotta love this game).

by Mityt on Apr 25, 2007 10:36 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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The Lakers wanted Bibby, I would think they still do as Kobe is not getting any younger, If the Cavs flame out, they may come back again.  Yeh he has a decent sum of money owing but its two years (its always easier if its other peoples money isn't it), for a team with players he can play off ie Lebron and Kobe thats a risk they may want. I can't see who the Lakers have that the Kings would want.

Okay the kings would want bynum @ the very least. Bynum is a guy who was supposedly dangled to try & bring in Jason Kidd. I doubt the lakers would even consider trading bynum for bibby. Also Mitch Kupchak and Phil Jackson said they weren't trading him publicly. I doubt that would mean much to anybody here. But the lakers wont trade bynum for KG or Kidd so I doubt they would consider trading him for bibby.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Apr 25, 2007 10:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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