Crackhead Trade Rumors
by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 4:41 PM PDT
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The title says it all. Or maybe not. Either way I'm going to print 3 rumors I believe the kings should pursue. As always they work under the cap. No point in starting rumors if they dont work money wise.
1st Trade: Andrei Kirilenko for Shareef-Abdur Rahim/Kenny Thomas
Ok Ok i get it. Why would utah do it? Because sooner or later they have to make a decision. And trading Rahim is alot easier than trading kirilenko at this point. He has some trade value (i dont care what kings fans think he does) and particularly to a team like say chicago? If the next point is why would the kings trade for Kirilenko? Well he's only 26. He's got a lengthy injury history. He had a tough season and has recently whined. But the way he plays is exactly what the kings need. And for the next 4 years he could transistion a transistioning franchise into something entirely different. No he isn't a franchise player. No i wouldnt ever consider trading anybody but k9 & reef to get him. But it's worth a shot.
Trade Rumor 2: Ron Artest/John Salmons for Jason Williams/Michael Doleac/Dorell Wright/Mia's 1st round pick this year
Why miami does this? Well they're in bad need of players who can complement Dwyane Wade. Williams is old and doesn't play defense. That should present no problems for the kings. Oh but he does have 1 year left. As does doleac. Would Miami do it? Well they might for a couple reasons. Salmons is a solid all around player and gives them things they need. An extra ball handler/defender on the perimeter. He's a good rebounder. He plays 3 positions. And he's young. Artest it's a given. They need a guy who can check the best 2 3 or under certain circumstances 4 of the other team. Artest being motivated and playing the way he can do that for Miami. Sacramento's reason is simple. They clear cap room @ the end of the 07 08 season with williams and doleac. About 10 mil worth. They get a solid (if nothing else) young player and a chance to bring in another 1 with mia's draft pick. This is a deal worth doing regardless of anything else. I have made it clear the kings need to trade artest. This is the best possible value i think they can get. Particularily if Miami ends up flaming out of the 1st rd (as i write this on sat) looks like they will do.
3rd trade scenario: Mike Bibby for Eric Snow, Drew Gooden, Conditional 1st rd pick in 2010
Why cleveland does this? Well they move snow & gooden 2 unhappy players out of their rotation. They get a badly needed complementary perimeter scorer for Lebron. They move a contract they're having an impossible time moving in eric snow. So why does sacramento do it? Well pretty simple. I believe that any young PG (i wouldn't doubt that @ the start of training camp there will be 2 on the roster and 1 of them wont be ronnie price) needs a good older mentor. I think snow is that guy. Plus if the kings pull off an AK47 deal than depth is need. That's where gooden comes into play. Lastly since youre giving up a much better asset the 1st rd pick even things up.
Overall the deal i see being hardest to pull off is the Kirilenko deal. Utah wants value for him but I cant imagine how a guy with his injury history and recent performance combined with his pricey lengthy contract will attract much. If the best they can do is break his contract up into 2 players then trade 1 i see that being the best option for them. Whether they see that is another story.
The ron artest deal is pretty much i think being set in stone. The cap room/wright/draft pick gives the kings more than enough reasons. Dorell Wright might not be a household name. But he's a quality young player. Miami would be taking a risk but a worthwhile one. After all Salmons is a quality rotation player especially for a team like Miami that is old & slow. Salmons is neither.
The Mike Bibby deal is pretty simple. It's clear mike has worn out his welcome here in the big tomato. As such finding a deal that helps complement the team is the best the team can do. However I think this deal is contigent on the kirilenko deal going through.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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What may work is a Bibby for Darko (sign and trade) Carlos Arroyo and the draft rights to Vasquez. Darko seems to be ready to make the big jump and he's only 21. Arroyo could be a starter until we can get someone better.
by jjham15 on Apr 28, 2007 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Darko is a restricted free-agent and he's not likely to return to the Magic. He's going to require a fat contract and I think the Magic want to try and lure Vince Carter. Bibby is a very good starting point guard who would complement Dwight Howard very well. Howard and Batie would be able to mask a lot of Bibby's defensive issues and in return he would stretch the d on the other end.
Kenny Thomas and his ridiculous contract is impossible to deal, even for AK-47. Now Kenny is poop and with the contract that Kirelinko has he could hardly be considered gold. Artest still has value and I see him playing in a Knicks uniform next year because Isiah will fall for Petrie's Jedi mind tricks.
by jjham15 on Apr 28, 2007 6:10 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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I didnt say Mike Bibby is poop. I said trying to strike it rich by trading less talent for a better player is foolish. Apparently you dont quite understand the analogy. It's assumed that the magic will try to acquire Vince Carter. They can do that and resign darko. They have plenty of cap room. Resigning darko won't be the issue with that. The issue with carter is whether he opts out (im not sure anybody knows that) and whether the Magic will want to pay his price.
As far as darko himself is concerned im aware about his status as a restricted free agent. Number 1 his season doesnt merit a huge pay day. 2 i doubt any team will give it to him. But i have been fooled before. 3 any team that does sign him to that contract runs the risk of orlando matching. 4 there is no idea of what market value darko will have. My bet (and this goes against the grain i realize) is that he will end up signing that 5th year deal and stay with orlando for 1 more season. History would argue against me but for certain players who dont have value or may not have value they feel they have (like darko) the 5th yr contract is always an option they have. Darko is an unusual case and therefore unusual precedents apply.
Well as far as artest is concerned Miami has better assets than the knicks. Jason Williams/Michael Doleac have value. They have expiring contracts. If the kings are going to pay Kevin Martin a nice extension getting some cap room would be a wise expectation for the franchise to try & obtain some. That is miami's best assets and that is sacramento's need. New York can only provide young players but not the cap room.
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by jjham15 on Apr 28, 2007 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Thanks for pointing that out though.
by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Joe Prizbilla signed a 5 year 30 million dollar deal last year and has half the talent that Darko has. He will get 7-8 million a year and I highly doubt that Orlando is going to pay that much for their back-up center. You can't teach 7 foot, he is an accomplished shot blocker with good post skills and he is developing as a rebounder.
And if we are rebuilding, which is a reality, we aren't going to wait a year for Doleac and Williams to drop off the books. That would be counter productive. Contracts that can be moved Bibby, Artest, Shareef and maybe even Salmons will be moved. The others we will be stuck with Thomas and Miller. What we don't need is to prolong the agony and take on Snow or J-Will or Doleac.
Now if you think that Mike Bibby is totally useless I understand your argument, I don't agree with your assessment but I understand your analogy. Mike Bibby is no Mitch Richmond but he is closer than Darko is to being C-Webb.
by jjham15 on Apr 28, 2007 6:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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As far as bibby is concerned why would orlando want him. Remember jjham, it's about FIT. Does bibby fit well there? Does it make sense for orlando to acquire a PG who is expensive (but only for 2 years) but who is primarily an offensive player and is a scorer/shooter @ that? Especially when they already have a player in that mold in Jameer Nelson. And he's small also. That's why i dont think it's realistic. Think about what the other team has in personnel before you make these deals. That's my suggestion. You arent stupid as your pietrus comments proved. You realize he will be a hot commodity (in terms of money value he will be his talent is mid level money and i dont think he will get more than that).
Joel Pryzbilla signed a deal with the blazers for that kind of money. But will darko settle for that kind of money. Does he want max money potentially? I think you're thinking that orlando see's him as a pryzbilla type value center. I doubt that is the case. But orlando is in a powerful position not darko. The question is not who's in the best position here. That would be Orlando. The question is what does darko see as his value and what are his expectations. I doubt that any team would offer him that kind of money recognizing the potential is that Orlando will match. Also team's have to have cap room and there aren't but a few on the market (orlando being 1 of them also). So with all that said I just think you're making too much of prior deals that were given to big men. Maybe some team offers darko near max money or something. I doubt orlando will sign him to that. But @ the kind of money that kwame brown essentially makes i can see them doing. But why would another team do that kind of negoitaiting for orlando only to lose him back to the magic? It doesnt make alot of sense if youre say the kings to negotaite a deal with darko announce only to have the kings match. You only do that with players youre confident wont get matched by their respective teams.
I didnt say mike bibby is totally useless. In all honestly he's the best kings tradeable asset. But I dont think trading him to a team that doesnt need him or wont use his talents properly is smart either. It makes no sense to try and trade him to utah for example for kirilenko. You already have 2 PF's on the roster already. You're not getting back a PG in any of these deals. And bibby is a higher asset @ this point than kirilenko is. I think, jjham, is that youre confusing what value is to each & every team. Every team has certain players that are much more valuable to them than other teams. A few players (the superstars you know who they are) have value to everyone. Bibby/Kirilenko/Milicic aren't those kind of players. Or @ least in my opinion they arent.
by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Your post have been very condescending which has been pretty frustrating to read. The reason we post here is to compare thoughts and have fun debates on what might happen or what is currently happening with our Kings. You should probably read your post and not question whether someone is stupid or not in your post. Your beginning to sound like Otis.
by jjham15 on Apr 28, 2007 7:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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Okay seriously i dont care if you feel condescended by it. I'm not meaning it to be condescending. If you feel that way then maybe you shouldn't reply to me then. If my style or opinion bothers you that much then that's not my problem.
It's a good thing you watch the nba. I'm not saying you dont understand the league or what players play for what teams. I'm saying that you have to remember fit is important. Does bibby REALLY fit into what orlando needs? You say yes. Your view is that Jameer Nelson is a backup PG. My view is that they need a bigger SG who can handle the ball to keep him from making decisions he isn't ideally suited to make. Those exist. Furthermore bibby has played poorly in the playoffs. I dont know how 1 great set of playoffs proves him to be anything when he has had a few sub standard (and now a full season worth also) seasons that would make him worth giving up darko in a s&t. I have no problem trying to get darko. I have a hard time seeing the kings as being a suitable trade partner for the magic. If you disagree fine. That's your right.
by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I dont know how 1 great set of playoffs proves him to be anything when he has had a few sub standard (and now a full season worth also) seasons that would make him worth giving up darko in a s&t.
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I dont know how 1 great set of playoffs proves Bibby to be anything when he has had a few sub standard playoffs (and now a full season worth) that would make the magic giving up darko in a s&t.
by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Why in the world do I keep getting called out in conversations I don't have a part in???
jjham, you and I have disagreed on stuff in the past - but I don't think you are stupid person by any means. I just tend to disagree with you often. Maybe I'm right, maybe you're right...who knows? Hell, I was a huge Musselman supporter and lord knows I've had to eat crow over that issue. Big deal, I can readily defend myself.
So, you might want to wear your big boy pants if you are going to offer an opinion here. Don't bitch about being called stupid...just don't be stupid and there won't be an issue. :)
And yes, I'm bored on a Saturday night, that's the only reason I replied to this diary at all.
by otis29 on Apr 28, 2007 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by pookeyguru on Apr 28, 2007 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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If you read the whole line of posts I don't think my logic could be characterized as stupid. I'm always up for a good argument but I took exception to the tone of the posting. As I have also taken exception in the past to your remarks when they are aimed not at the argument but at the person posting.
My comment aimed at you (Otis) was poorly placed sense you were not in the conversation and I apologize. I would like to point out that the comments seemed to have the effect I was looking for.
Both you and Pooky are strong members of this site and I enjoy playing devils advocate with both of you. I just don't like when it turns away from the hoops.
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take out the dots and leave the spaces
<.div class.=.".blockquote.".> put text here then write this with a space before the greater sign <./.div.>
try it a few times and hit preview it will either work or wont..its how i learned
by pookeyguru on Apr 29, 2007 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I'll be happy to jump in and debate trade scenarios with you guys, but I'd like to see what direction the Kings go on the coaching front first.
And I'd be ecstatic if the Kings were able to deal Bibby in the offseason UNLESS they are able to secure a player that can protect the basket. And no, I don't believe that Williams is that guy, at least not as a starter yet.
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You are obviously wrong.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2007 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I was just disagreeing for the fun of it :-)
(I couldn't help myself after reading those earlier posts where your name came up without you even contributing an opinion on the subject. BTW, when folks start bringing your name up when you are not even involved, you know you are getting in peoples heads - kinda like getting booed at the opposing gym ;-)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2007 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Pookeyguru and I...not so sure. ;)
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by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2007 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Once you crapped out that little nugget, it severely decreased my desire to give two squirts of moose piss about your opinion of the NBA.
by otis29 on Apr 30, 2007 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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But im an idiot. Idiots are like assholes otis. Everybody's got the right to 1.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2007 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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That isn't political correctness, it's the American marketplace at work. Imus made millions over the course of his very long career in radio by carefully offending people. Unfortunately for him, he said something that resonated with the American public at this particular moment in time. The marketplace turned around and tore him a new one.
If anything, I have less respect for Imus than a Howard Stern, who realized there is a place for his particular talents on satellite. Imus may well end up there himself...if so, he can throw off most of the restrictions that have been placed on him over the years. It's probably the right place for him, to be honest.
That's not political correctness, that's the marketplace talking.
Obviously, you must be Nostradamus, based on your assumptions of her behavior. I recall you did the same with the wives of Ron Artest and Jason Kidd, did you not?
by otis29 on Apr 30, 2007 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Fine otis you think i support spousal abuse. I think joumana kidd is a gold digger camera whore. I think eva longoria is too. She's already famous Joumana isnt. That's the difference. I think Joumana a terrible mother. I feel sorry for her kid. I dont feel sorry for Jason Kidd and I dont absolve him for slapping her. He did after all marry the dumb bitch in the first place. Kimsha Artest is complicit in her marital difficulties. She's not stuck like many women in awful situations. She's had options. Most women dont. Saying she's had problems is not saying she's a victim. All this 911 call did was give her an edge in a nice divorce settlement.
Political Correctness is what it is. I would have rather seen Tim Hardaway stay employed and resign out of shame. That would have been a worthwhile and reasonable solution. But no he had a fake retarded apology that i could have written for him and said in the most insincere tones possible. He's absolved for his utterly senseless comments. That's unacceptable in my view. I'm sorry you dont agree. You dont appear to be homophobic. I've been in the military and around alot of homophobes. It's a problem in this society. Covering it up is a good marketing ploy for David Stern but A TERRIBLE way for the nba to handle a simmering situation.
If anything, I have less respect for Imus than a Howard Stern, who realized there is a place for his particular talents on satellite. Imus may well end up there himself...if so, he can throw off most of the restrictions that have been placed on him over the years. It's probably the right place for him, to be honest.
Precisely my point otis. You just expanded it on and said it more succinctly. Again i dont know vivian stringer either. But i do know she spent alot of face time marketing herself. And spend alot of time talking about things OTHER than the issue that got her face time. I dont care that she used the system to exploit it for her personal interests. What i dont find acceptable is people who dont recognize it for what it is and feel compelled to defend it as okay. Stringer isnt a victim. The people who had to listen everybody give their opinion on a noted asshole like Imus are the victim's here. Yes im claiming to be a victim because these things get over blown over talked and in the end nothing get's solved. That's why these things keep coming up. I'm tired of it.
Okay, fine Mrs. Ron Artest isnt crazy. She didnt have domestic violence charges filed against her over ron once upon a time. I made that up. Joumana Kidd didnt put her son in harm's way for no reason other than not paying attention. She cared more about shaking her tits for the camera than watching her own son. That's disgraceful. And Jason Kidd again is not absolved of blame. He married the dumb bitch. And of course this is the same Joumana that wanted to be a MNF sideline reporter. I hate camera whores. I have little tolerance for that type of action. So if it comes off as intolerance for women then so be it. Disliking women in general and disliking a singular person for their actions is entirely different otis. You should know better.
I'm not nostradamus nor do i claim to be. I can't even claim to be insulted by it. Even though this long rant in response might seem as such. I have no respect for someone who will allow themselves to be violated repeatedly and then somehow get a 'divorce settlement'. I dont view that as victimhood. I view that as lucky.
by pookeyguru on Apr 30, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Geez, I don't know why I would think you had a problem with women. :rollseyes:
Anyways, I'm through with this topic - as always, we will agree to disagree.
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What I miss is the roster talent this franchise used to have.
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Re: Kirilenko to Phx for thomas 1st rd pick
Seems mr dwyer thinks kirilenko has more value. I highly doubt phoenix does this. Robert Sarver is really cheap. And Kirilenko is expensive. The cost is high and if it doesn't work out well, that'll be bad. Dwyer's a smart guy but if phoenix did that i'd laugh. And there are some rumors that if they dont win the nba title they will be looking to move somebody expensive like perhaps shawn marion? Maybe, im wrong.
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"We have to do some creative financing," Magic General Manager Otis Smith said.
Last offseason was rather quiet for the Magic, whose major moves were signing Keith Bogans and drafting J.J. Redick. This offseason could be noisier as the club continues building around all-star center Dwight Howard.
"I don't think it will be as uneventful as last summer," Smith said. "We just need a couple pieces here and there. We're not that far away."
Finding a scorer and a point guard are priorities in the wake of a 40-42 season and being swept out of the playoffs by the Detroit Pistons. But the Magic can't fill those need areas in one offseason and figure a scorer is easier to obtain.
Ok first off here is the salary structure according to hoopshype.
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm
Grant Hill is coming off the cap. They have roughly 40 million dollars. That means they will have 13 mil or so,if you assume the cap number stays the same, which is a bad assumption for Brian Schmitz, but it's a better way to write the article. Rather than saying they might have 14 or 14.5 million it's safer to say they only have 13 and then change it later on when the cap figure officially changes. Enough of that. It's a way of saying he isn't wrong later on. He can always claim that it's easier to make moves with that extra mil/mil & half. He's only technically right. In baseball that would be true. In the nba not so much.
Secondly as of right now without darko or hill the magic have 11 players under contract. That basically means they are looking at doing a S&T with NJ. That's a possibility. But schmitz doesnt mention it anywhere in this article. He only imply's it by saying 'creative financing.' It's been widely assumed that Vince Carter will opt out. But he may not. He has a player option for next season. He may not choose to opt out. And the magic can't go after anybody under contract. It's technically tampering. This is why the cap number means so little. When you're doing trades only the numbers on the contracts youre trading matters. Schmitz fails to mention this entirely. It's the biggest and most important aspect in this whole thing. And he fails to leave it completely out. This is a complete hack job of an article. As you can see farther down when i go into MORE detail why lol. Also he fails to mention that in addition to trading players in a s&t the magic can use cap space to supplement a player. An example: They can trade Trevor Ariza (who makes about 3.5 mil) for Carter straight up. Let's say Carter's contract for the first year runs @ 13 mil. They can use 10 mil of cap space to accomplish that trade. Again Schmitz fails to mention this too. As i say it's a hack job. Either write the whole thing out or don't write it at all. Paper's really suck at this kinda stuff i might add.
The only reason I mention this is the buildup to Darko. This guy really has no reason for proof other than gut feeling to say they'll go after Vince Carter. He's using a need to justify potential moves in the future. I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying he's trying to make it sound as if the Magic have already made it a priority to sign Carter. Now i'm not arguing he's wrong. He's not at all. But the way he writes this is very sketchy at best. It makes it sound as fact when other things have to happen before they can do so. This is how i would have written it;"The Magic are expected to make a run at Vince Carter if he chooses to opt out of his contract over the summer." Big difference isn't it? When somebody doesn't right options into a piece such as this it makes me question how much they know. Seriously jjham.
Grant Hill becomes a free agent but reiterated after the Magic's final meeting Sunday that he won't decide until later this summer if he will return to play for Orlando. "I need to get away for a while," he said.
Hill said changes the team might make could influence his decision.
This is yet another reason why I question this schmitz's judgment. Where as he says Vince Carter will opt out as fact he remains much more skeptical that the Magic should retain Nelson as their primary PG. First off that is Otis Smith's and the franchise's decision. Not schimtz's. His opinion doesn't matter here. Not to mention that unless they trade him he will be there next season. He is already under contract.
Grant Hill is a different story. Nobody knows what he is going to do. I doubt Hill even does at this point. But like everything else in this piece it's poorly written. And it comes off funny. Don't let poor writing fool you as fact.
"When we need a basket, we need someone who can go out and get us one," Smith said.
Allen is not a free agent, but the Sonics might be willing to trade him to get out from under his maximum salary.
As I say this is a poorly written piece. Not only does he mention that the Magic will go after Carter he even bothers to mention the circumstances that will actually happen. He uses something certainly then something possibly in the same article. There is no real information here. He doesn't know. He doesn't want to come off as a dummy so he writes this piece full of holes. Now he's clearly not stupid. However this piece is better written ambigously. There is no way to exactly know until it happens. I dont think the sentinel wanted him to write a speculative piece. Otherwise this piece of contradictive stupid trash wouldn't have been printed. It's poor writing and worse it's poor journalism on the part of the Sentinel. I'm having a hard time pointing the figure only @ schmitz for this. Sure he wrote it but ultimately it's the paper's choice what to print.
The part with allen and lewis i wont even bother with. Similar circumstances also apply there. At least he mentions it just as a possibility.
Milicic, who had a solid postseason against the Pistons, could eat up a large portion of the available money produced by Hill's expiring contract. Their cap room currently is expected to be $10 million to $13 million -- not counting Darko dollars.
Milicic is expected to be asking for $7 million to $8 million his first season and a contract that could reach $60 million. That might be too rich for the Magic. They can match any offer for him after July 1, but there are only a handful of teams who have money to pay him.
Per NBA collective-bargaining rules, the Magic have a "salary-cap hold" space carved for Milicic, and won't have the wherewithal to sign other players until his status is addressed.
"I would like to stay here and they would like me to be here," Milicic said. "But I can't talk about it until it's time for that and we'll see if they really want me here."
His agent, Marc Cornstein, told the Sentinel that he'd be "a little surprised" if Milicic isn't in a Magic uniform next year.
But Milicic also said he wants a meatier role -- whether it is with the Magic or elsewhere. He realizes the Magic "play through" Howard but said, "Personally, I want to be the guy a team plays through. I don't want to be just a player who's there."
Again this is alot of fact that's speculatory and then the speculation kicks in. As I say if he couldn't get an obvious circumstance about VC correct why would he get a very unique and unusual circumstance surrounding darko correct? Darko can ask anything he likes. However there are many problems with these various scenario's. One is what are the magic willing to sign him for? Will other teams sign him to a higher contract thinking the magic wont match it? Will they even want to take the risk knowing that darko can ultimately receive his freedom next offseason? The question regarding this is what darko really wants. And he nor his agent have made that clear. The only way any of us will actually know is when it happens. And again this piece is trying to sell the Magic to Orlando/surrounding area citizens. It's doing a poor job. It's trying to create hype to get better articles from team brass/players and potentially get better readership. That's what i see in this article. All that and then they write this.
Howard said he'll try to expand his offensive game. Smith said the Magic are currently trying to hire a free-throw shooting coach to help Howard improve on his woeful 57 percent average.
Smith said Hill has wavered on whether he will keep playing or retire. "His body is going to dictate what he's going to do -- and the Mrs.," Smith said of Hill's wife, Tamia.
Okay I think a couple things about this. Smith can feel anything he want's about Milicic. The truth is he's already going to lock up Dwight Howard. The question is can he satisfy Darko. Ill have the answer to that below. Howard's weakness' is obvious. Why does it matter in this piece when you're talking about money and personnel moves?
Last point: If you believe this sort of thing (i dont know if you do but I do so im gonna say it) the reason I think Hill's wife Tamia is mentioned for this reason. When Tim Duncan was a free agent in 2000 supposedly the Magic brass wouldn't let her on the plane with him. He viewed that as the ultimate slight and chose to resign with San Antonio. So I think Smith recognizing the mistake John Gabriel made (he was the Orlando GM to smith previously) is trying to be nice. Plus Tamia is a nice woman by all apparent standards (she is definitely not a camera whore) and being respectful of a player like Hill, and his spouse indirectly, helps you in any attempt to potentially bring him back. Agent's read alot into this stuff. So do guy's like me.
Okay enough about the written part here's the part about darko (and im sorry you have to read all my analysis jjham but i feel it's very important to understand this stuff which is why im repeatedly pointing it out...feel free to point out anything specifically and try to use any part of my text and gray box it please...it's much easier for me to read)
Darko is in an unusual situation. Most guys usually show through 4 years what they're really made of. Due to the unusual circumstance with Darko in Detroit then his lack of development in Orlando alot of speculation is flying about this. The questions remain though.
Will darko be happy being Howard's 2nd banana?
Does darko only care about how many years and money he can get now?
Will he be waiting for a year to try and get a better deal where he will have more leverage?
Will the magic change their tune before then?
Will other teams change their tune as well?
There are so many questions surrounding this whole transaction that I think any decision regarding anything is best left till the offseason jjham. My personal opinion is that Darko is best off WAITING till next off season. This way he gets a chance to show what he can do alongside Howard. They still have some bargaining power with him. Of course the major difference is so will other teams because he now becomes an unrestricted free agent.
Okay i realize what darko said wanting to be the guy. Every player thinks they should play 48 mins every game. There is a huge difference between wanting and getting. Nobody is going to make darko that guy. Whether he realizes it or not. And that is yet another problem in this process. Unfortunately schmitz makes it seem like it's something more than it is. It is really confusing if you haven't seen tons and tons of stuff like it printed before.
I'm with you on 1 thing jjham. I would like darko. But I just dont see the kings have any kind of asset that would interest the magic in making a S&T. Not to mention I dont think he's worth signing to that kind of money either. Personal opinion but shit bro i wish for the right sum of money. Which of course brings me back to previous statements. That's the magic's problem too.
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Now the Darko contract situation is still in question. His contract is very similar to the Corliss Williamson issue his first time around. In order to sign Vlade Divac the Kings had to release his rights and then they signed him to a smaller 2 year deal with the opportunity to make more in the future. Then of course they screwed him and exiled him to Toronto in the trade for Doug Christie.
This is all reasonable, that all I'm saying. Darko and Carlos Arroyo for Mike Bibby makes sense contract wise. We are trading for an unknown commodity in Darko and a legit short term fix at point. In return they get a proven play-off experienced point to get them to the next level.
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