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Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put

As_kings_cal_tiny by louismg on in News

Geoff Petrie is no newbie when it comes to handling trade talks and rumors, and like any good GM, will listen to a breath-taking deal when it comes his way, but unlike most of us fans, he probably follows a "buy low, sell high" principle, and recognizes that Bibby's subpar season last year isn't exactly going to get him an acceptable level of talent in return for one of Sacramento's leading players, like it or not.

As the Sacramento Bee reports, Petrie says he's not aggressively trying to move Bibby.

"I'll listen to anybody who calls," Petrie said. "That's the only way things ever get done. But it's not like I'm on the phone every day trying to trade Mike Bibby.

Beyond that quote, Martin McNeal says other anonymous sources indicate Bibby isn't on the trading hotseat.

For now, at least, both Bibby and Artest both look like they will be on the Kings' active roster when the 2007-08 campaign begins, projecting the same confusing approach to how the pair will share scoring opportunities with Kevin Martin, et al. Like us, Hoopsworld says Martin would benefit if either of those guys were to be traded, but despite the occasional illusory puff of interest, it's getting a bit quiet to think any blockbuster is in the works.

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Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
As things stand now, Bibby would likely have more trade value towards the in-season trade deadline. That is, if he rebounds a bit from last year's struggles.

The guy is definitely of more value to a team that is a piece or two away from serious contention. Holding him isn't going to kill us, considering where we are currently.

by otis29 on Jul 19, 2007 8:00 AM PDT   0 recs

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I would think Bibby's camp will suffer more from him calling out the fan's last year for booing his childish behavior as his Director's PR gaff. His goodwill is fading in my mind. I'll be happy to see him play well for the sake of the team; but quite frankly I have little love left for him above the love I have for all humans. If that kid played in New York or Philly the media would butcher him for his antics, no matter how well he played. He should ask John Salmons about poor fan support, or A-Rod for that matter.

by NYCFan on Jul 19, 2007 8:33 AM PDT   0 recs

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Is this becoming the lost season? Theus is going to have to coach a couple of guys (Artest and Bibby) that are going to take up big chunks of time and offensive opportunities while not being part of the long term plan. If everyone plays well the team could fight for a plyoff spot, but does anyone really think that we're on a par with the Suns, Spurs, Mavs, Rockets or Jazz?
So the hope is reduced to this - here's hoping that the guys that play are the guys that show grit, desire and effort.
I am mildly depressed.

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 9:03 AM PDT   0 recs

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If we do start the season with the current roster, Theus is going to earn his money.  Coaching and motivating Artest and Bibby is going to require a truly great coaching effort. Moreover, and most importantly, he will need to convince these two egomaniacs that they are now role players on Kevin Martin's team.  That won't be easy - no matter how confident, knowledgable, and articulate Reggie is. If he can accomplish this, and we remain reasonably healthy, we might be a .500 team.

I just don't see how we've fixed our biggest problem from last season, which was rebounding and interior defense. (I actually feel pretty good about our ability to score especially if we get some consistent 3-point shooting.) We have nice pieces for the future, however. So, I am going to try and be patient and wait for 09 - 10 seasons.

by Kusian on Jul 19, 2007 10:37 AM PDT   0 recs

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If Petrie really subscribed to the buy-low, sell-high principle, wouldn't Bibby have been traded two years ago when he had some value?  Ditto for Miller.  Also, let's not forget that he hung to Peja a season too long to get value, gave away Gerald Wallace for nothing, included Matt Barnes as a salary throw-in on the Webber trade, and traded for Kenny Thomas.  The last several seasons, he's actually been selling low and buying high.
Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jul 19, 2007 11:23 AM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
Some thing:

Barnes was thrown in to get the Kings below a luxury tax hit. While it sucked because Barnes was a homegrown kid making it big in his hometown the Maloof's probably insisted Barnes be thrown in to make the luxury tax hit go away.

Gerald Wallace wasn't given away for nothing. He was exposed to the expansion draft on purpose. His time with the Kings was done. He's played well in Charlotte. Doesn't mean he fits in here anymore (or ever really did).

Also what exactly would have the Kings done with Barnes AND Wallace on the roster?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 19, 2007 1:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
I'm not giving up on Bibby just yet. I think he will have a huge season. He started off last season hurt, and played through it. He didn't miss one game! You can't say that for too many players. He didn't have any kind of low post threat last year, which is not his fault. I'd rather shoot the ball too, then throw it in the post and watch it bounce out of bounds off of <insert Kings big man here>'s hands. So hopefully, one of our 40 big men will come to play this season and let the point guard be the point guard. Plus, Bibby can opt out of his last season. If he plays at the level that got him his first contract, he'll be able to possibly opt out of that last year and get another long term deal somewhere. And lastly, I'm just hoping he will come out with that attitude that he has to prove he's not washed up at 29 years old. Go Kings.

by kingsfaninjapan on Jul 19, 2007 1:16 PM PDT   0 recs

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I don't think anybody can deny that Bibby has heart when it comes to playing with pain.  The guy definitely loves to play the game, and it is wonderful to see a player feel an obligation to play even if hurt. Frankly, given the obscene amount of money professional athletes make, they owe it to their respective organization and to its fans. (I'm not suggesting an athlete should play injured. The trainer and coaching staff need to make a decision not to play a man if he's too injured. However, any athlete must be prepared to play with a certain amount of pain. Bibby does this and always has.)

Personally, I'd like to keep Bibby if he is willing to pass the torch to Kevin Martin and accept a lesser role. He can still be a 14 - 16 pt/game scorer while looking to get others more involved in the offense. And I don't think there is currently a better PG available.

by Kusian on Jul 19, 2007 1:35 PM PDT   0 recs

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Wallace wouldn't fit in here?  You're right, the last thing we need is a 23 year-old athletic guard who can run the floor, block shots, steal, dunk, and rebound.  No one needs that kind of dead weight.  My point is that Petrie sold low with those guys, essentially giving away talented young players that any smart GM would pay through the nose to get now.  We protected Darius Songaila and gave away Gerald Wallace, then signed Shareef Abdur-Rahim and John Salmons to five-year contracts.  That's the very definition of buying high and selling low.  
Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jul 19, 2007 2:30 PM PDT   0 recs

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I could be way off on this, but I believe we were allowed to protect six players prior to the expansion draft, and those six were Webber, Miller, Peja, Bibby, Chrisite, and B-Jax, the first six guys in our rotation. Once Wallace was selected we were able to pull the rest of the guys off the table. I still can't see how anyone can slam Petrie for exposing a 3pt./2reb. guy while protecting the core of the team. In retrospect, you could have thrown C-Webb out there. But the severity of his knee injury was still an unkown at that time, and to throw your franchise player out there so that you can protect a guy that has yet to crack the rotation? Makes no sense.

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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Agreed. The only player who can even be considered in place of Wallace in that situation was Christie, due to his contract. But Petrie was trying to win a title NOW, not keep the bench stocked for future seasons.

Petrie's big Wallace flub, I think, was not going after him last year in a sign-and-trade. Don't sign Salmons, offer up Reef or KT to Charlotte, sign Wallace for $48 million for six seasons.

by Ziller on Jul 19, 2007 3:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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You're right about going after the title, but you can't do it without diggin into the bench can you? That's what happened. And with no shotblocker you got no respect at the paint. Why did we have to hang on to Miller for this long? And wait, yeah Wallace was pure talent from the start, energy, altleticism something the kings needed.

by 19271 on Jul 20, 2007 12:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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And where would he have played? Wallace aint no SG. That was the problem I think. This team has been deep in SF's ever since Petrie has got here and Wallace is pretty much a SF and PF in certain situations. But he's no SG. And I think you're doing a mighty disservice to say that his athleticism will make him one.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2007 1:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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Wallace is a SF.  He doesn't have guard skills. He doesn't handle the ball well; he doesn't shoot well; he doesn't pass particulary well.  He does, however,  hustle his ass off, dunk, and rebound.

by Kusian on Jul 19, 2007 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
it was 8 players mate.

by cwebb on Jul 19, 2007 3:32 PM PDT   0 recs

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I think it was up to 8, but you had to expose a certain number of players.  In other words, you could protect 8 of 12 players under contract, but not 8 of 9.

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
protected:
Peja Stojakovic
Brad Miller
Chris Webber
Darius Songaila
Mike Bibby
Doug Christie
Bobby Jackson
Anthony Peeler

unprotected:
Gerald Wallace

FAs:
Rodney Buford
Vlade Divac
Tony Massenburg
Jabari Smith

by cwebb on Jul 19, 2007 3:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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I think Peeler may have been a FA (Songaila was too, though maybe an RFA), but based on the list Petrie exposed the lowest guy in the rotation, the guy that had made the least contribution, the guy that had virtually no offensive game outside of two feet from the basket. And if Petrie is an idiot for letting him go, then let's give him credit for drafting Wallace at #25, after such luminaries such as Kwame Brown, Eddie Griffin, DaSagna Diop, Rodney White, Kedrick Brown, Troy Murphy, Steven Hunter, Kirk Haston, Michael Bradley, Jason Collins, Brendan Haywood, Joseph Forte, Brandon Armstrong, Jeryl Sasser and Raul Lopez had already been chosen.
We need one week with Kevin McHale to make us appreciate what we have. Does no one remember Axelson?!?

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 4:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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Good thing we hung on to Anthony Peeler.  Otherwise, who would have taken a swing at KG in the playoffs?  What's most interesting is that just one season later, 5 of the 8 protected players were gone anyway (6 in the next season and a half).  The other two are Bibby and Miller, the subjects of most of our trade fantasies.  Buy high, sell low.
Freakin' Kings.

by DB on Jul 19, 2007 4:21 PM PDT   0 recs

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Peeler took the swing at KG in playoffs that were held prior to the expansion draft. I don't think he played for us the following year and I don't recall us trading him, therefore I question whether he was truly held.
Sometimes you GM for the present and sometimes you GM for the future. We thought we were still contending for a championship at the time, so we retained the core. Today, Bibby would be exposed at the expense of young potential talent.

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
oops, I meant Bibby would be exposed in order to protect young potential talent.

by section214 on Jul 19, 2007 6:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
Hmmm... that's an interesting thought: who would be exposed this time? (Hawes not applicable, Williams neither.)

Definitely Protect
Martin
Garcia
Douby

Probably Protect
Artest

Wouldn't Mind Exposing For Various Reasons
Salmons
Abdur-Rahim
Bibby

Expose At Will
Miller
Thomas

There's no telling whether Miller or Thomas would get taken in an expansion draft. Given their trade value, both would be a better bet than letting Bibby slip for nothing. He doesn't make so much he'd be lock not to move.

by Ziller on Jul 19, 2007 6:47 PM PDT   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
Your point is absolutely correct. The problem there is no expansion drafts probably ever again. Unless Stern changes his stances of not another expansion team. This team is going to have 30 nba teams for a long long time. Maybe for eternity. Who knows? The point is that most leagues over expand and the NBA hasn't. It's hit every major market in the US and it's stopped there. Anyway that list is smart but there is a pool of players they can take. The kings could have protected G-Dub in 2004. They could have left any number of players un-protected if they chose.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 20, 2007 1:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
douby definitely protected? He's been the worst 1st round pick in Petrie era.

by cwebb on Jul 20, 2007 2:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
Kevin was just as unexciting his rookie year.  In fact, I am almost certain he never had a 20 pt game, which I am pretty certain Douby did this past year. Way too early to tell about where he will end up.  Let's pray, though, that he decide to eat and lift some weights this off-season.

by Kusian on Jul 20, 2007 7:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
Douby's rookie season > Martin's rookie season. By far.

by Ziller on Jul 20, 2007 7:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
I think that they would protect almost any player that was due a total of only $2.8 million over the next two years.
As far as Douby's progression is concerned, I am reminded of this scene from the Simpsons:
Marge - Homer, your microwave meatloaf will be ready in 7 seconds.
Homer - But I want it now!
Patience, people, patience. Or are we going to throw Hawes under the bus in December?
 

by section214 on Jul 20, 2007 9:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Re: Bibby Most Likely to Stay Put
"Patience, people, patience. Or are we going to throw Hawes under the bus in December?"

Unfortunately, some probably will.

by Kusian on Jul 20, 2007 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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