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Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

by Tom Ziller on Jul 5, 2007 8:23 AM PDT in News

Marty McNeal has a rare scoop in The Sacramento Bee: Geoff Petrie is setting up some sort of timetable for his next rebirth.

Said Petrie: "If we want to get into the situation here where you have real (salary) room, you have to curtail some of the team's spending and gather enough contracts expiring to create that room. The second part of that is what you still can do through trades to help in the interval you're working with.

"At some point, you have to take a philosophical stance, and if you keep adding four- and five-year or five- and six-year contracts, it makes it a lot more difficult to get there. Potentially, on a two-year horizon, we can naturally arrive there. The exception is if something comes up you think is really good, I think you still do that."

Petrie said attempting to get that real room following the 2008-09 season is what he is looking to do at this point. The contracts of Mike Bibby and Ron Artest (who is expected to opt out of his deal in the summer of 2008) would be off the cap.

This is a big deal for two reasons: 1) Petrie never talks about this sort of thing, and 2) This is as close to proof as we're going to get about Petrie's 'rebuilding not retooling' strategy. (The difference is explained well here.) Essentially, Petrie is conceding he will wait for Bibby's big contract to come off the books to work his magic... which is further indication he's not taking a basket of crap back for Mike's contract in the trade market.

To go one step further: I wouldn't be surprised if Petrie didn't make a minor splash in 2009 and a larger one in 2010. Of course, he can't say this now... especially with the arena scab about to get ripped off in a few months. But 2010 is the summer Petrie can do whatever the frick he wants, with Brad's $12.2 million, Kenny's $8.5 million, and Shareef's $6.6 million gone. As I said, he can't tell us right now to watch an NBDL team making no offseason moves for the next three years -- so he will do something or some things between now and then. But I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't take real slow even then, in 2009.

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Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

I wonder what the exception to that rule is. I hope David Lee fits under that exception. Personally I see what you're saying and I feel if he can shed Bibby Artest Rahim and Thomas he'll do it provides it helps the team with it's salary cap. I think you can't ignore small salary cap relief if you're Petrie just because you're trying to win 5 more games that probably won't get you into the playoffs.

That being said this can be viewed at any number of ways. He made a statement saying he wouldn't take on any big contracts. The question is would that disqualify the Kings from taking Darko? Or Hedo if the deal included Kenny Thomas? Who knows? The question at this point will be answered in the moves Petries makes, or doesn't make, and not by any speculation based on any glib statements he makes.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 9:12 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

No way Darko's worth 10 mil a year

by thelettere on Jul 5, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

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Agreed 100%, but what he's worth and what someone will pay him are two different things...

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions

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Darko is a fascinating case of diminishing returns. He was an abject failure in Detroit, where no small part of the blame should be given to the depth of the Pistons and Larry Brown's resistance to playing kids. But when Saunders showed up, despite much Darko fanfare, he never played in that system either. Then he gets swapped to Orlando, proves he's not a total stiff and subsequently is demanding 10 million a season? It's not as if Darko's suddenly living up to his pre-draft hype. He's just living up from the down he had in Detroit. Darko's competence has made him over rated again. Does an average of 12 and 5 warrant much more than the midlevel? Honestly?

by rbiegler on Jul 5, 2007 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions

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No, it does not warrant more than the midlevel. But it only takes one team to be enthralled by his 7 foot, 250 pound frame that is still only 22 years old. It will only take one team to be taken in by his shot blocking ability, which is about one every 12 minutes. As I mentioned in another thread, Tyson Chandler and Samuel Dalembert had not "earned" the money at the time that they received their contracts. But they still got paid, because there was at least one team willing to pay their price.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions

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Chandler was better last season than Ben Wallace though. And even then Chandler had been overpaid well before that. Until Chandler proves every year in year out he can play then he will still be overpaid.

As far as Darko I wouldn't pay him more than the 6-8 for 4 years myself. Give him the opt out after 3 seasons or whatever and there ya go.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

Chandler was 23, coming off a 5pt./9reb./1blk. year when he signed a 4 year $40+ million contract with a 5th year player option at almost $13 million.
Dalembert was 24, coming off a 8pt./8reb./2blk. year when he signed a 6 year $60+ million contract.
Milicic is 22, coming off a 8pt./5reb./2blk. season.
It only takes one team...

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

Indeed sir. It does only take one.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions

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He's worth the gamble with the MLE. Darko has just been at the wrong place at the wrong time. Detroit speaks for itself and the Magic liked teaming Howard with a more experienced Battie. He looked very good in the post season, his offense is not nearly as bad as people make it to be. He has a nice hook and has good strength and vert. If the Kings have Hawes and Darko as their starting front court for the next 5 years (after this year, Miller should at least be able to hold onto his job this year.) I think they would have a good base especially with Martin and Bibby on the perimeter. How many time are we as fans going to bitch about not having a shot blocker in the middle and then when one is available at a bargain rate we don't want him.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 5, 2007 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions

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I agree that Darko at the MLE is a good get. I just think he won't be available for just MLE money. I would love, LOVE for Petrie and Kings to prove me wrong on that one.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions

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There aren't a lot of teams with cap space at all and the teams that do have it are rumored to be doing other things with their cashola.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 5, 2007 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions

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I think youre the only person who believes Bibby should be with this team long term. I'd rather have Lee than Darko though myself. IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions

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Who is available that is better than Bibby? And don't say Billups, he's off the market. Bibby is still a staring point in the league right now even for a playoff team like say the Cavs who made it to the finals. Bibby makes too much money and his defense is suspect but then again almost every point guard in the league has suspect defense. Trust me I'm not he only one who hopes Bibby is still a King come September.

If we get Darko it would be completely separate of the Lee deal and our starting front line would be good enough to push for the 6 seed in the playoffs. The Kings can deal a player like Reef for a pick right now and clear up the cap space to make a run at Darko and still be able to use the mid-level or save the room for later. I would love a Miller, Darko, Lee, Hawes and Williams rotation. No more powder puff front line.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 5, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions

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It's not about whose available and better RIGHT NOW. It's about can the Kings move forward with Bibby. Maybe they can if they choose to go up tempo. But if Mike doesn't want to run he won't. Mike Bibby is too much of a bitch for me to say that the Kings need to hold onto him because he's the best available at what he does. If the best available at what he does makes you, at best I might add, a 6th seed then he isn't worth it long term.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions

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Absolutely on Lee vs. Darko. It's the difference between having a guy for cheap that proves his worth and earns his contract versus a guy who gets paid and then you hope he justifies his contract.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

I've never heard GP make a glib statement....ever.

Did I miss something in the interview?

by Kusian on Jul 5, 2007 9:23 AM PDT reply actions

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I doubt it. Unless you became illiterate in the last few days. My point is simple. You can't judge Petrie by any words that come out of his mouth. You can only judge him by the moves he makes, or doesn't. Which really sucks I might add in times where those of us who are antsy really wanna know.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions

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I see what you are saying. Actions speak louder than words and all that jazz.

And to a certain extent, I think you are correct. However, I believe that GP chooses his words very carefully - the opposite of glib - and that is why he says so little and says even those few things very carefully.

In fact, I suspect it's this very trait that led TZ to author this particular post and focus on the extent to which GP was willing to share the parameters of his planning for the future.

by Kusian on Jul 5, 2007 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions

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All good points and all of which I understand as well. Geoff has too much of a history though to say something like, no trades are in the works, then comes out of nowhere and pulls off Chris Webber to Philadelphia. Too many times this has happened. I doubt ,though, that any deals will be consummated unless without expiring contracts.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions

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"I doubt ,though, that any deals will be consummated unless without expiring contracts."

Hope so.

by Kusian on Jul 5, 2007 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions

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I read Petrie's comments as saying that we won't be spending money on Milicic, Gerald Wallace, etc. as they will command multi-year deals. His comments do not preclude us from persuing Lee, as he is under contract on the cheap for two more years before he hits qualifying offer. The only thing you would be doing there is if Malik Rose (for example) were part of the deal you'd have him at $7.1 million this season and $7.6 million next season, while Ron-Ron would probably opt out after this year. That still meets Petrie's timetable, and Rose would then be one of those expiring contracts.
I'm also betting that his comments do not pertain to K-Mart or Garcia, who will be in line for extensions in the next couple of years.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 9:29 AM PDT reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

It's always tough to read into what Petrie says. He may just be saying that he's not going to offer any more long term deals. Great. That's the right move.

It may also mean he's content to sit on his hands and do nothing (or next to nothing) for the next two years. This would make it really, really hard to watch the Kings over the next few years. The time to START rebuilding is now, not three years from now.

by Carl on Jul 5, 2007 9:50 AM PDT reply actions

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After re-reading Petrie's comments I have come to the conclusion that we may get a pretty good idea what a coaching change does for you, because it's beginning to look like we'll start the season with the same team that we had last year, minus Corliss. I'm not counting on a lot from Hawes this year, at least not until after the all-star break.
So we're between $56-57 million in salaries once Hawes is signed and if Justin Williams does not recieve any crazy offers. This also does not take into account any extra $$$ for K-Mart. I'm figuring Ronnie Price is gone. That's 12 players under contract so we probably add someone, maybe Shakur or someone else off the summer league team.
It appears that Petrie would prefer to let contracts expire as opposed to taking back anything but true value for guys like Bibby and Artest. That is very frustrating for me as a fan that would like to see change now, but if the end result is "1998, part II," where Petrie is now in the position to scorch the earth, then so be it.
My hopes for this year are:
-Theus gets the team to play hard, every night. Get nasty about protecting your home court. Hard fouls good, layups bad.
-Bibby and Artest get their value back up and become tradeable for expiring contracts and draft picks or young players by the trade deadline.
-The best players play. If Justin Williams is your best rebounder and shot blocker, play him! Don't give me K9 (woof!) just because he's getting paid more.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 10:08 AM PDT reply actions

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Extra money for Martin won't apply until 2008-09, even though he'll likely reach an agreement this summer.

by Tom Ziller on Jul 5, 2007 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions

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Thanks, TZ. I wasn't sure how that worked. Geez, when was the last time we extended a guy to a multi-year? Bibby back in '02?

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

Peja truthfully in 2000. Mike negotiated that contract after his 4th season when he technically was a restricted FA.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

well said section. i love that last point, whether it is k9 or brad that is losing time, i don't care. justin williams will be better than both of them on the defensive end and rebounding. he can also finish at the basket with an occasional throw down.

the second point is crucial. artest's value on the court is as good as anyone's in the league, so that won't be a problem, we will get whatever we get for him, i don't think people are going to change their minds about him. bibby is interesting, i think he is out to prove himself becasue of the horrible season he had last year. this will help him get to a good team and it will get us some good stuff in return, rather than the garbage that we are being offered right now.

as for theus just getting the guys to play hard, i think the guys will love this guy and we will all see an open offense that the players will like to play in. we will be competitive and in the 7-8-9-10 area in the west. this is still a talented roster for offense, all we need is the coach to do his job.

when will the Kenny Thomas Reign of Terror end?!!??

by diehardkingsfan5 on Jul 5, 2007 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions

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Preliminarily it sounds as if the "plan" is to have Hawes play center (eventually) and to shift Brad over to PF where he was more comfortable. Time is still on Justin's side as we won't resign Miller, however, I would hope we don't let Williams walk away like we did with Wallace. Who knows what this roster looks like in 2 years... Although adding a player like Lee would be huge, Isiah wouldn't part with him for a headcase ballhog when they already have plenty of those (Marbury, Randolph, Crawford)... or would they?

by moproblemz on Jul 5, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions

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Unless the Kings drastically change their roster they currently have 9 players under contract. That's not including Hawes or Williams, both of whom will be expected to be, by training camp. That's 11. After that Shukar, or somebody like that, might make it off a non-guaranteed contract.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

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GP is playing this the same way he always does. We and the Bee don't know jack until it happens. This whole inside source saying that the Kings are talking to Orlando about Hedo is crap, no one knows what is going to happen unless GP is feeding information or misinformation.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Jul 5, 2007 10:36 AM PDT reply actions

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Correct you are, jjham. Petrie could be throwing that statement out just to fire a shot over the bow of any team(s) interested in Bibby or Artest.
If our comments were restricted to what we know as opposed to what we think we know this would be an awfully barren website.

by section214 on Jul 5, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions

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Great point. Supposition is all we have on Geoff Petrie.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jul 5, 2007 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions

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Not that this guy is always write, but a sports writer for the NYT was on the afternoon show today and said that all the Ron Ron to Knicks talk is so much BS. Further, he said that Isaih has NEVER specifically said that he wanted Artest.

I have no idea if he is right. Just the messenger here...

by Kusian on Jul 5, 2007 6:49 PM PDT reply actions

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p.s. I can't believe I just wrote "write" instead of "right."

Go back to 2nd grade and repeat...geeeezzzz

by Kusian on Jul 5, 2007 6:50 PM PDT reply actions

Re: Petrie Reveals Timetable, Sort Of

The Kings have officially signed Spencer Hawes AND Mustafa Shakur to contracts.

He can shoot, and he looks good in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Jul 5, 2007 9:42 PM PDT reply actions

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