Bibby Tells Some Dudes He Wants to Play in Cleveland

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Geoff Petrie should stop the Brown Thumb rebuilding plan and get a third team involved in a Bibby trade. How about Bibby to Cleveland, Kirilenko to Sac and Larry Hughes to Utah? Works under the cap. Works for me, assuming we get rid of Arrest.

by Carl on Aug 10, 2007 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Kirilenko will be due $34 million over two years after Bibby's contract expires. That's an awful lot of long term money for a guy that can't stick an open jumper.

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by section214 on Aug 10, 2007 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Yes, please! Give me ONE guy who gets actual playing time on the Kings who can so SOMETHING other than just shoot the ball. Let's review:
Bibby: Jump shooter
Artest: Jump shooter since he's been here.
Shareef: Jump shooter more than on the block
Miller: Jump shooter
Martin: Jump shooter who does get to the basket.
Garcia: Jump shooter
Douby: Jump shooter
Kenny Thomas: Just sucks at everything.

Kirilenko rebounds, blocks shots, gets steals, dishes assists and generally plays like a madman. Yes, please give me ONE young guy who does everything well but shoot the ball (and manages to score anyway).

by Carl on Aug 11, 2007 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Just to be clear, Arrest does other things on the court besides shoot. It's the insanity that's a problem in his case.

by Carl on Aug 11, 2007 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Kirilenko would get $16 million in 2009-10 and $18 million in 2010-11. If you don't like Bibby at $28 million for the next two years because he does not play defense or dish enough, you're really not gonna like Kirilenko in a couple of years when he's been paid $29 million and is still due $34 million more and has excelled only as a shot blocker. That much money should be reserved for a complete upper tier player, not a very nice player whose career numbers are 13 pt./6 reb./2.5 ast./2.5 blk. I'd take him if the contract length was the same, but I wouldn't want 25% or more of my cap space dedicated to this guy. I like Kirilenko, I hate his contract.

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by section214 on Aug 11, 2007 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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i would say Miller's strength is his passing ability, and if anything he is reluctant to shoot the jump shot.

trade em all

by kangsfan on Aug 11, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If he wants to play in Cleveland..opt out, fine with me.

by rimrock101 on Aug 10, 2007 6:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Pooh Jeter and Mustafa Shakur, that is exactly what I want to watch all season. Life with Mike Bibby is much better than life without him.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 10, 2007 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I agree. I do not want Gooden either so I double agree.

by Mityt on Aug 11, 2007 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Pooh Jeter and Mustafa Shakur, that is exactly what I want to watch all season. Life with Mike Bibby is much better than life without him.

WTF? The Kings have not even signed Pooh Jeter and Mustafa Shakur most likely wont even be on the active roster? Why are you throwing out these names when they both will not even see a minute on the court next season with or without Bibby.

This team is not going anywhere with Mike Bibby as the starting PG it is time to move on with him and try to develope and give more time to Douby and plus you have Salmons/Garcia who can fill the PG minutes for a while also.Don't forgot Mike Bibby's fat contract...do you seriously want to pay this guy over 13 million next season and than over 14 million for the season after? while being one of the worse teams in the nba? trust me life is much better WITHOUT bibby.

I agree. I do not want Gooden either so I double agree.

Drew Gooden is an upgrade over any big man the Kings play now and plus he is much younger it will not hurt to have him for the next 2 seasons getting paid 6 million especially if you get an opportunity to dump Bibby's contract i say do it.

by rimrock101 on Aug 11, 2007 3:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Jeter and Shakur are the only options the Kings have at this point. Shakur is under contract and Jeter would give his left nut to be under contract. Garcia and Salmons are both small forwards and Ronnie Price is a member of the Utah Jazz. Unless your hoping for a Keith McCloud signing I'm not really sure who will be playing the point if Bibby is dealt and McCloud is no good.

If the Kings make a trade with Cleveland (which is doubtful at this point) maybe they get a scrub like Eric Snow but he would only be good for about 15 minutes a game.

Last time I checked the free agent market has dried up and I don't give a rats ass what Mike Bibby makes because I'm not paying his salary. If he opted out the Kings would be a much worse team than they are today because obviously the big name free agents aren't coming to play for a shitty team with a freak like Ron Artest jacking up your team chemistry.

Wait two years when Bibby and Artest both become free agents and the Kings have some real cash to throw around or wait three years when Moore, Reef, Thomas and Miller come off the books. This isn't a short term fix and trading away Bibby is going to yield very little but make for some very bad basketball.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 11, 2007 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Jeter and Shakur are the only options the Kings have at this point. Shakur is under contract and Jeter would give his left nut to be under contract. Garcia and Salmons are both small forwards and Ronnie Price is a member of the Utah Jazz. Unless your hoping for a Keith McCloud signing I'm not really sure who will be playing the point if Bibby is dealt and McCloud is no good.

If the Kings make a trade with Cleveland (which is doubtful at this point) maybe they get a scrub like Eric Snow but he would only be good for about 15 minutes a game.

I don't think Shakur and Jeter are the only options for the Kings at this point like you said if they somehow trade Mike Bibby to cavs for something like Eric Snow and Drew Gooden than Eric Snow can play 15 - 20 minutes per game and Salmons|Garcia|Douby can play the rest of the minutes even Artest if he is still with this team next season i know these are all SF's but there is nothing wrong with moving them to PG if they can handle the ball...like what Ron Harper did at the end of his career with the Bulls/Lakers, When the Kings ran Salmons|Artest|Garcia at the point the last couple of seasons i think it worked out pretty well so why can't you have a versitale SF bringing the ball up the court once in a while? and by the way i don't want Keith Mccloud that would be unnessary to go out and sign him.

Last time I checked the free agent market has dried up and I don't give a rats ass what Mike Bibby makes because I'm not paying his salary. If he opted out the Kings would be a much worse team than they are today because obviously the big name free agents aren't coming to play for a shitty team with a freak like Ron Artest jacking up your team chemistry.

Wait two years when Bibby and Artest both become free agents and the Kings have some real cash to throw around or wait three years when Moore, Reef, Thomas and Miller come off the books. This isn't a short term fix and trading away Bibby is going to yield very little but make for some very bad basketball.

I'm not paying Bibby's salary either but the less he gets paid the better team you can be for the future? You can be a garbage team and still get some pretty good free agents like the Grizzles with signing Darko they just offered him the most and that's where he went it didn't matter a whole lot to him that they are coming off an awful season and much worse than the Kings.If Bibby stays this season the Kings are not going to make the playoffs and if he opts out they probally still wont until they find a good replacement for him in the long term (it could be douby) so whats the point of keep Bibby if you are already going to be playing very bad basketball with him? He's one of the reasons this team was playing very bad basketball last season.I know this is not a short term fix because you have too many bad contracts that will take time to move maybe Kenny Thomas is untradeable unless you add in Kevin Martin or a 1st round pick.I don't think you have to wait until Shareef's contract runs out i think he will be much much more easier to trade than Kenny and Brad the Bulls might want him he still can get you low post scoring and not a terrible guy off the bench.My point is this team is going NO WHERE with Mike Bibby as there starting PG right now or in the future so why not trade him and try something else? i think that makes sense.

by rimrock101 on Aug 12, 2007 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Rimrock, if the Kings would have drafted a point last year like they should have instead of wasting the pick on Douby I would be all for trading Bibby if it would yield a big. But they didn't and until they get some one better than undrafted rookie free-agents to play the point Bibby should be the man.

**Ron Harper was never a small forward, he was an athletic slashing two who after major knee surgeries lost his leaping ability. I would also like to point out that he was playing next to Michael Jordan which may have helped him extend his career for a few years.

Putting guys like Garcia and Salmons at the point is fine if they are just bringing up the ball but someone has to create on occasion and the key to Mike Bibby's game has always been his ability to hit the outside shot which stretches the defense. Neither Garcia or Salmons have ever proven that they can hit an outside shot with any consistency. Last season Garcia and Salmons combined to score 14.5 points per game and 4.3 assists per game in a combined 45 minutes per game. Many of those minutes Salmons was playing point and Garcia was running the point from the three. In this, Bibby's worst season with the Kings, he was still way more productive than either one of these guys/both of them combined. Add to this that John Salmons is only a year younger than Mike Bibby and although Salmons is good defensively against small forwards, he is horrible against point guards.

I think we will see a bounce back season from Bibby this season. I think he will still be a starting point guard in the NBA four years from now although it won't be for the Kings. And I know that the team who represented the Eastern Conference in the finals last year begged the Kings to trade him to them.

I'm not a Bibby apologist but until the Kings have someone lined up to take his spot that is a real option I think giving him away is ridiculous. The Kings franchise can not afford to tank a season in an attempt get the first pick in the draft. If we want the Kings to stay in Sacramento we fans are going to have to settle for 30 win seasons for the next 2 or 3 years until the Kings can reload. Because....30 wins is better than 20.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 12, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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jjham15, I agree with some of that but Ron Harper was a 1, 2, and 3 he might of started at SG but he was similar to John Salmons is those ways but you do have a point that playing next to Jordan (and also Pippen) might help but that's why i want to get rid of Bibby so it would be much easier to put talent around these 2 i know Salmons|Garcia need talent around them i'm not asking for them to be the stars of this team or anything but if they can defend, move the ball around and score when needed i think it wouldn't work out badly.I think it does not matter what size you are as long as you can move the ball around (unlike bibby) and also defend PG's (unlike bibby) and i think John Salmons can do both of those things same with Garcia, I disagree that Salmons was horrible against PG's last season defensively..can you give me an example please? because i remember him guarding PG's quite a lot of games and didn't do that bad of a job he gave Steve Nash some problems with his size and length i think he can both some PG's.

I don't know why you have a problem with the Kings drafting Quincy Douby to be Mike Bibby's replacement in the future? what has he done wrong so far? he has not even got a consistent chance to play? so how can you judge him already? That's not fair to Douby at all...we could say the samething for Kevin Martin his rookie season but he has turned out pretty decent.Also about your numbers on Fransisco Garcia and John Salmons i also think that's totally unfair for them because they were in a GARBAGE system last year filled with Musselman's stupid iso's and it was very hard to get a lot of assist because with all the iso's Musselman ran the ball always stopped which might work in Bibby's defense also but Bibby has never had a high APG averge with this team even with around 35MPG.And by the way how many shots did Bibby take and how many did Salmons|Garcia take? i would think Bibby took quite a few more.

I don't really see Bibby being a starting PG for a winning team in 4 years from now until he loses some weight and get some more quickness i thought he was very very slow last season and had his worse defensive year by far even know he's bad defensively every season it was never as obvious as it was this season i thought and plus he got pretty damn lazy it seemed he never been great at getting to the freethrow line but in the past he atleast slashed to the hoop or took good midrange shots i didn't see much of that happen this season a lot of the time he just standed at the 3 point line waiting for the ball and was awful moving without the ball but maybe some of that was Musselman's fault but some of the blame should go on Bibby also.

I don't think Salmons is really a good consistent shooter but i do think if Garcia gets put in a good system with consistent minutes he can prove to be a consistently good shooter because you don't expect him to be a consistently good shooter with inconsistent playing time? because that's not a very good way to get rythm for a young player or have a whole lot of confidence.

Are Seattle and Sacramento going through similar situations? because they were pretty awful last season and now got a top pick and what's the deal with them? can the Kings end up the same as them? sorry i don't live in Sacramento and i don't know too much about the Arena.

by rimrock101 on Aug 12, 2007 2:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I have given my opinion on Douby more than a couple of times. Douby is an undersized two with no point guard skills at all. Bobby Jackson was a scoring point guard in college and in his first seasons in the NBA. If there is a mold of player that the Kings were trying to get when drafting Douby it was definitely Jackson but Douby doesn't have the passing skills of Jackson. So...he is an undersized two who has no future as a starting point in the NBA ever.

My biggest beef with the drafting of Douby has nothing to do with his particular skill set, the 19th pick can be a crap shoot. My issue has always been the fact that there was two players with starting point guard potential and both players were rated higher on every draft board. Rondo and Williams would not only have "the best available player" but they would have also fit a major need and allowed the Kings to avoid the situation they are in now. I would have also liked Boone who again was rated higher and a much larger need that a Douby.

I personally believe that Douby will have a very hard time getting another NBA contract when his current deal expires. Best case scenario Douby is a six or seven guy off the bench. Due to his size and skill set Douby will never be a starter where Rondo will be the starter for the Celts this year and Williams is being groomed to replace Kidd.

Again, if someone can come up with a reasonable replacement I am all for trading Bibby but it's too late to sign anyone and Bibby is not a bad player. Reasonable. Not Salmons, Garcia, Snow, Dee Brown, McCleod or Wilks. People like me pay to go to these games and to put an inferior product on the floor is one thing but to field a team without a point guard is a unacceptable.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 12, 2007 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Douby

jjham, I agree with your statements regarding Douby. He's a scorer, and I doubt that he will ever be an NBA point guard. I have not seen enough of him (who has?) to determine whether or not he can be a catalyst off the bench like a healthy Bobby Jackson, who did not really play like a prototypical point guard either. I was at ARCO the night that Douby went off against the Warriors and I was encouraged. I also thought "My Sharona" was going to be the first of many hits by "The Knack."
I was screaming for Williams when he dropped to 19, but Petrie's insistence of not drafting players that he has not worked out unfortuantely came into play. I am still not sold on Rondo, who did not look good last year as a shooter or passer, and looked even worse in summer league.
Time will tell. My spidey sense tells me that Douby eventually gets shipped out as an extra piece of deal involving a bigger contract player.

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by section214 on Aug 12, 2007 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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If the Kings are not going to be a playoff ballclub any time soon then what do you hypothetically pay a guy like Bibby so much money for? You pay him to be a good team leader, develop younger men into smarter players, play well with rising stars, keep the community interested in the franchise...basically all the things he does not do.

Trade him. Sign a guy like Dee Brown who will run the court like he's jacked on meth, another young guy who's fighting for his life. Who cares that he doesn't have an exclusive shoe deal with Jordan like Mike Bibby does? (It's a shame that a SacBee journalist would whore himself out writing a story about such a thing.)

I'd rather see a team of young men whose desire to play is greater than their fear of selfish men with celebrity names and big contracts than a team full of the latter which is what we have now.

Bibby, Artest, Miller, Poodle...there's not a Magic among them. They are all forgetable. And I'd like to start forgetting them...now.

by NYCFan on Aug 12, 2007 7:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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Dee Brown was not resigned by the Jazz because they brought in both Ronnie Price and Jason Hart. At this point Brown is going to have to go to the NBDL or Europe so to bring him in and replace Bibby isn't worth discussing.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 12, 2007 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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I did not intend to tie the trade notion directly to a Dee Brown signing. That was poor argument structure on my part. I agree that Bibby ought to be traded for expiring contracts and young talent. I tied a Bibby trade to a guy like Dee Brown because I would not care to have a PG of Bibby's quality in return, any other quality vet would suit me jut fine, and I'd be happy to see a guy like Dee Brown run the offense. In the end, I'd just be ecstatic to see the Kings get rid of Bibby. I don't think he makes the team better now or for the future so why not have someone out there that plays hard and would be fun to watch.

Plus, Jazz made Brown an offer before they signed either Price or Hart. Brown didn't like what they had on the table. But he likes Utah and he wanted it to work out there. He's still traveling all over the Western US coaching at the Young Jazz Basketball Camp. Williams is his best friend so he'd wanted to continue playing with him. Now that it doesn't look as if Utah will work out, he has to explore other options.

And go look at his stats. Anytime he got decent minutes he played well. (14 assists in one game. Name a King who's done that recently.)

Go to his website if you want further proof. deebrown11.com. The kid seems pleasant, articulate, excited to be apart of the basketball world, and even more excited to give back to his community. To say that having a player like that in Sacramento "isn't worth discussing" makes me think I ought ask you more directly about what kind of team, what kind of players you'd like to root for.

by NYCFan on Aug 13, 2007 6:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Jazz made a qualifying offer to retain his restricted free agent rights. It was a formality much like when the Kings offered Price a contract. As soon as they found some one they wanted the withdrew the offer, making him an unrestricted free agent.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 13, 2007 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Fair enough. I still like the guy.

by NYCFan on Aug 13, 2007 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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So about the 14 assists in one game: it seems I can't read a stat sheet very well. it was 14 assists in three games against GS. So I withdraw the enthusiasm of my argument.

Apologies.

by NYCFan on Aug 15, 2007 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why Bibby stays (for now)

If you're going to give Bibby away under the provision that you are rebuilding, then it makes no sense to take back anything but expiring contract (along with young talent and draft choices). With Ratliff going to Minny there are not too many expiring contracts left that fit the bill. Yes, Bibby would be a good fit in Cleveland, Miami or Boston. But they do not have the combination of expiring contracts and young talent to make the deal work, and guys like Gooden and Haslem, while nice players, do not make us better or clear considerable cap space.

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by section214 on Aug 12, 2007 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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I agree completely.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Aug 12, 2007 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Well worst comes to worst we dont get anything for Bibby this year and then we suddenly have a Ratliff contract on our hands who is still quasi-productive. Which allows us to facilitate a three team trade, giving us a real asset (finally), or in the very worst having Bibby's money finally coming off the books (won't happen).

by moproblemz on Aug 13, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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Bibby just strikes me as the kind of guy that can put a really good team over the top, but he's not a solid building block for a struggling franchise.

Let's be real here - if he is not making his outside shot, he really gives you nothing. No leadership, no defense, nothing.

Still, if he recovers offensively a bit this season, he will have considerably more trade value towards the deadline than he does now. Hang onto him, give him big minutes, then trade him.

Who knows, maybe David Lee gets caught in the minutes game in New York and people forget how good he is...not likely, but Isaiah may be more willing to loosen that logjam down the road.

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by otis29 on Aug 13, 2007 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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And Bibby's shot was not consistent at all last season so he gave this team pretty much nothing and now he will only get older and next season he might shoot well but in 3 or 4 years down the road from now i don't see him as a good starting PG at all.Bibby used to have some type of full court vision but he does not use it anymore and his passing in the halfcourt as awful this season.

by rimrock101 on Aug 13, 2007 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs