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On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming a Point Guard

In a Q&A with Kings.com, Quincy Douby says he's been working all summer on his point guard skills, particularly working on his off-hand.

At this point, Undoubylievable is the back-up point guard (for all intents). For all purpose, the back-up should be some wild combination of Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia and John Salmons. Those guys can handle the ball -- they all might hold the ball too long and one of them might show signs of recklessness at times, but they've been passable when needed at point guard. The survivor of the Mustafa Shakur/Orien Greene standoff will also serve as a backup point guard... but expecting said survivor to log more minutes than, say, Ronnie Price 2006 (150 minutes played) is expecting too much. Unless one of them blows the doors off preseason, Douby is your back-up point by name.

In Quincy's last college season at Rutgers, only one player in the entire nation carried his offense's load more than Douby. Still, Quincy had a marvelous shooting year -- .515 on two-pointers, .401 from three, .847 from the line while taking 38% of all his team's shots while he was on the court. His assist rate was strong for a gunner (25.2) while his turnover rate was passable (14.2) for a guy controlling so many possessions on such a weak overall team. (By comparison: in his penultimate college season with a far more talented Louisville team, Francisco Garcia had shooting percentages of .496/.366/.877, assist-turnover rates of 24/19.9, and took 24.9% of his team's shots while on the floor. Ken Pomeroy's figures say the strength of schedule for opposing defenses for each team was comparable.)

Clearly, Douby can shoot. You don't fluke numbers like that taking that many shots in that good a conference. Eddie House didn't shoot as well or as often as Quincy in college, and House has turned into a solid role-player in the NBA. But House has never had designs on being a point guard. He may have played a spare minute there in Sacramento and Phoenix, but show me one game where House actually tried to be a point and you can slap me in the face and call me Roshawna.

The next comparison which springs to mind for Kings fans has to be Bobby Jackson. Like House, BoJax exists primarily as a point-guard-by-name/size-only. Jackson's has career average of 4.8 assists per 40 minutes. By comparison, gunner Mike Bibby's lowest single-season assists per 40 minutes figure is 5.6. In his Sactown stay, Jackson served to bring the ball up and do one of the following: a) pass to Webber/Divac in the high post; b) take a screen and drive to open space/the hoop; c) jack up a three. There was no 'roll' on BoJax's screen-rolls. No knock on Jackson, one of my favorite Kings ever: The extent of his point guard skills was the penetrate-and-kick, which is something even Kenny Thomas can accomplish on occasion. Again, it's no knock. BoJax wasn't a point guard -- he was a damn firefly who could score on any defender the league threw at him, and he was among the most passionate players we've ever seen. (And he was a helluva guy.)

Can Douby get by like Bobby did? That has to be the goal. Don't fret because Geoff Petrie spent a #19 pick on someone whose ceiling is a great sixth man combo guard -- Jackson was extraordinarily important to those glory teams. I mean, from 2002 to 2005, Bobby's average annual PER was 18.2. He was tremendous. Douby can be tremendous too, he can live up to his nickname. We've seen one indication already; the kid is 23 years old.

Sure, make him work on his off-hand skills -- it can't hurt. But the absolute key for this team to get the most out of Quincy Douby isn't to make him a point guard, it's to let him be himself. Douby is not Steve Nash, he's not even Mike Bibby. He is a shooter, a scorer, a gunner. Let him eat pain patate.

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Mor elove for Flaco
But what's this "handle" business?  Can someone explain how Doub's use of of the word resembles it's definition? Will a new entry now be added to the OED etymology record: "2007 Lord Douby:  My handle -- I have a pretty good handle. People don't think I can put it on the floor as well as I can." I have this image of Douby removing from his waist band a polished Mahogony stick, small and ergonomically carved, then with the stately grace of a Prime Minister's butler lowering into a deep bow and laying it gently on the floor at half court. "Here everyone. Here's my handle."

by NYCFan on Sep 7, 2007 8:58 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mor elove for Flaco
"And here is my spout."

by Ziller on Sep 7, 2007 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Mor elove for Flaco
Funny. That hadn't occurred to me.

by NYCFan on Sep 7, 2007 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
Not sold on Douby, I think he is working on his last NBA contract. Bobby Jackson has the potential to go for a triple double on any given night. Jackson is an unbelievable rebounder and in college he was a point so he understands how to run an offense. Douby has neither of these skills.

Douby is a small two who put up giant numbers against inferior talent in college. His ceiling is well below B-Jax. On the plus side, Douby does have a body that is built to take a beating, he won't be nearly as injury prone as Jackson due to his wiry frame. I'm not sure yet if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Sep 7, 2007 10:48 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
Youre only a small 2 if you have no reach. Douby has long arms and that negates his lack of height some.

As far as what Douby can do it's hard to say. Nobody has seen him play extended minutes and as long as the Kings don't spend every waking minute turning him into a PG (especially when you have 2 bigger ball handling 3's in Garcia/Salmons) then what's the harm of a guy who can score? After all this will be an issue with this team at some point.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Sep 7, 2007 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
First up having long arms doesn't make up for being 3 inches shorter than your counterpart; secondly Douby's defensive crouch makes him much smaller than his 6'-3" height. Douby is narrow through the chest and weighs less than 175. He also has a body style that refuses to take on weight regardless of how strong he might get. Douby is going to have issues guarding point guards that have post game let alone two guards. At this point undersized doesn't just mean not tall enough it has to do with his overall body frame.

K-mart has a similar frame but he's 6'-7" and more skinny than wiry. Martins body can add weight easier than Douby's can which Martin has worked hard to do.

We are slipping into the NBA abyss.

by jjham15 on Sep 7, 2007 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
Okay he isn't Chauncey Billups. Thanks for that update. Being a lockdown defender didn't seem what he would be best at, but then again maybe I'm seeing Douby's potential. Douby's skinny, and this can't be denied and who isn't, but at the same time there aren't many posting G's in this league that can be stopped. There's a reason those guys score in the first place. It's not usually because NO defense is being played.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Sep 8, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
He may have played for a crappy school, but he did play against the Big East every night and he was the only suitable player on his team.

by Ziller on Sep 7, 2007 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance of Actually Becoming
He played a total of 359 minutes all season. That's less than 8 complete games. Plus he played for Musselman, garbage minutes. I'd say it's a little early to judge him incapable of anything but maybe playing o-tackle for the Vikings.

by NYCFan on Sep 7, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Douby & Hawes
One of the things that has concerned me is the rush to judgment where Douby is concerned. Was he really any worse last year than K-Mart was his 1st year? Or Cisco? For the folks that are ready to wash their hands of Douby, you better cut and run from Hawes right now because the education of the big man in the NBA is not pretty.

Next year is the pivotal year for Douby, just as last year (year #3) was for Martin and this year (year #3) will be for Garcia.

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by section214 on Sep 7, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Douby & Hawes
i am not ruling out douby as far as being able to find a niche in the league, i just have a hard time believing that he was or will become the 19th best player in the 2006 draft.
Whether your dominating the playground, the last one to leave the gym, or your big time like Mike Bibby...

by CrownUs93 on Sep 7, 2007 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Douby & Hawes
Good point.  Too bad Petrie hasn't cleared the way of mediocre/unmotivated veterans so Douby can actually play, or at least play to his strengths.

by Carl on Sep 8, 2007 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance
This is a salient point, if for any other reason the fact that it generally takes college 3 point shooters 3 years to really find their spots.

by rbiegler on Sep 7, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance
I think Quincy would make an excellent pedicab driver.

by otis29 on Sep 7, 2007 4:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: On Quincy Douby's Chance
By the way TZ, I'm fine working on commission.

by otis29 on Sep 7, 2007 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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