Amick: Miami Still Hot For Artest
On his blog, Bee beat writer Sam Amick quotes an anonymous trusted source who says Miami is still after Ron Artest, despite the second worst record in the league. I've resisted the new conventional wisdom Miami's too terrible to keep adding pieces; yes, the Heat are 6.5 games out... but New Jersey (!) is holding down the 8th seed. And when you have Dwyane Wade, the 8th seed doesn't look so hopeless. Besides, how can you ever rebuild when you have an untradeable $20 million flagging ex-superstar locking up your cap for the next two years?
There have been murmurs (which Amick replicates here) that Geoff Petrie is looking to tag Kenny Thomas onto an Artest or Mike Bibby deal. Of course, we'd all love that. My question: Is it incentive enough? The problem with dealing with Miami has been its lack of assets. Could its willingness to soak up a highly undesirable contract serve as its asset? Artest and K-9 (woof!) for Ricky Davis and Jason Williams works under the cap; Miami would need a replacement point guard first, so perhaps they can use other assets (Udonis Haslem, a draft pick, a package of small expiring contracts, Dorell Wright) to go get Andre Miller, then pull a deal for Artest.
Depending on whether Pat Riley prefers Miller or Bibby, it could work another way: Use the smaller package (or maybe just Smush Parker) to go get Mickael Pietrus, and use the bigger expirings plus Haslem to land Bibby and Thomas. Of course, Petrie hasn't budged on previous Haslem + expirings offers; who knows if Riley had been willing to take a bad contract back as well.
Nothing can happen until Bibby and Artest come back, though. Bibby's been practicing a lot, and I wouldn't be surprised if he were back next week (one week ahead of schedule). Artest hasn't had his operation yet, so who knows?
Back to whether losing that nasty K-9 (woof!) contract is incentive enough: Yes! If you manage to trade Bibby and Thomas, and either trade Artest or let him leave in free agency, you have $43 million of dedicated salary next season for 8 players. You have to sign Beno Udrih or another point guard ($5 million) and at least one draft pick in the same zone as Spencer Hawes (roughly $2 million). That puts you at $50 million, and in place to compete for a lower-end free agent if you choose (if that free agent is a point guard, you could make it a higher-end one -- you could certainly afford Jose Calderon if you so chose). If not, hold your dollars or blow them on a one-year deal... or wait a summer until Mikki Moore's deal (likely) comes off.
In any case, the Kings would have to lose Brad Miller to make a play for guys like Emeka Okafor (who isn't leaving Charlotte) or Josh Smith (whom seems to have caught Philadelphia's eye). Ben Gordon -- a high-volume small two-guard -- doesn't fit and Luol Deng will likely a) be too expensive, and b) sign the first deal Chicago offers. (I've read enough to know he hates all this contract stuff.) Delonte West and Louis Williams are prospects to keep an eye on -- both are quick combos (know any GMs who love those?) and would fill a need (if Beno isn't re-signed and Calderon isn't chased) at a cheapish price.
Of course, another benefit: The further you get from the luxury tax, the easier it is to work trades. Unless you're landing the #1 pick, you'll need to trade for a promising but expensive big. Petrie has been said to covet Nene in the past; I wouldn't be shocked if he pursued the (overpaid, oft-injured but occasionally thrilling) Brazilian between now and Jan. 1, 2009.
Ah, trade talk. My favorite time of year.
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Very Interesting
On the one hand and as I have noted before, GP only likes to trade a star for a star (Richmond/Webber, Peja/Artest). While I'm not prepared to put Bibby in star category, I do feel that Artest should command a good package in return due to the fact that he would immediately help almost any team trying to get a ring while not carrying the long term contract that might scare off some suitors.
On the other hand, Phoenix dealt two future 1st round draft picks to Seattle to get them to take Kurt Thomas and his contract off their hands (the Suns also received an $8 million trade exception). And Thomas had a 1 year deal at $8 million!
So let's say that you traded Artest for two future 1st round picks, then turned around and dealt those picks to unload K9(woof!), would you be satisfied?
I need to give this more thought and chew on the opinions of others. I'll be back later...
by section214 on
Jan 1, 2008 11:16 AM PST
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Beno and Bibby
by SavageBeast on
Jan 1, 2008 12:07 PM PST
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defense
by kingsfaninjapan on
Jan 1, 2008 12:28 PM PST
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I'm all down for dealing Artest IF:
I'm for dealing for Bibby if we can land a 1st round pick along with contracts that end by at the latest when his contract ends.
I'm all for dealing Brad Miller if it can get us an expiring contract.
by kingme18 on
Jan 1, 2008 1:57 PM PST
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Some thing
As far as Bibby I don't see how he helps Miami personally. They need shooting this is true; they also need better defense and rebounding. How will Riley prefer an expensive player over a cheaper more effective one?
by pookeyguru on
Jan 1, 2008 2:24 PM PST
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Why draft picks are critical
Miller
Gooden
Salmons
Martin
Udrih
Moore
Hawes
Abdur-Rahim
Douby
That would put us around $57 million (including Gooden plus Udrih at the MLE), roughly $10 million below my blind ass notion of what the cap may be. $4 million for a couple of draft picks leaves you with about $6 million, but you're probably down to closer to $4 million after you sign a couple of guys to minimum contracts. Dahntay Jones would be nice to add to the above list, no?
So the draft picks become critical for two reasons. First, the roster listed above is certainly not of championship caliber, so the development of young players is crucial. Second, let's say that we have two draft picks for the upcoming year and two for the following year (including our own). Perhaps one of those can be used to help deal Miller or 'Reef early, creating a little more cap space.
One thing is certain. It is apparent that GP was not talking out of his southern region when he said that the rebuilding would take time.
by section214 on
Jan 1, 2008 4:50 PM PST
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good thoughts
by Kfan in Korea on
Jan 1, 2008 6:23 PM PST
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oops
by section214 on
Jan 1, 2008 8:18 PM PST
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The cap won't be at 67 mil but you got the idea
by pookeyguru on
Jan 2, 2008 1:40 AM PST
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You are an enigma
I agree with you on so many issues, but sometimes I just can't understand where you're coming from. The above and your criticisms of Garcia. Any trade of Bibby that nets us cap relief, a pick and shorter contracts than his is good in my book, and who knows, Gooden could do well for us.
Regarding Garcia, I think he's progressing well. He's improved in fg%, 3pt%, and points in each of his 3 years. If he continues to improve I don't see any reason he can't be an important piece for us in the future. Heck, I'd argue that he's already closing in on Doug Christie level:
Cisco(this year 26 yrs. old) - 27.1 min, .449 fg%, .378 3pt%, 1.2 stl, 3.4 reb, 1.6 ast, 13.2 pts.
Christie(01-02 31 yrs. old) - 34.5 mins, .460 fg%, .352 3pt%, 2.0 stl, 4.6 reb, 4.2 ast, 12.0 pts.
by Kfan in Korea on
Jan 2, 2008 6:07 AM PST
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Cisco
by kingsfaninjapan on
Jan 2, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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Channeling my inner Pitino
by Exhibit G on
Jan 2, 2008 11:58 AM PST
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And if they do...
by section214 on
Jan 2, 2008 12:03 PM PST
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Yeah, but
by kingsfaninjapan on
Jan 2, 2008 2:33 PM PST
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You know the saying Kusian
by pookeyguru on
Jan 2, 2008 2:28 PM PST
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Gumbyguru...
by Kfan in Korea on
Jan 2, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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Mmmmm yep my fault
by pookeyguru on
Jan 2, 2008 5:00 PM PST
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