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If Denver wants Ron Artest -- and why wouldn't they? -- there are really two ways a potential trade could go. (Sam Amick touches on them both here.)

You can go big, secure your power forward position with a fellow who dunks like a madman, can defend Tim Duncan fairly well in the post, has a contract through 2012, threatens the luxury tax, and might start chemotherapy treatment soon after a malignant tumor was removed from his testicle.

Or you can play it safe, taking on an expiring contract and a young swingman, barely affecting your cap space, shedding a current problem but adding another log to the small forward dam, pushing the search for a power forward to the summer and beyond.

Either could be likely, for both teams' points of view. Geoff Petrie is known to have loved Nene. George Karl is one of few coaches who'd love to try to prove he can make Artest sane. Linas Kleiza is and will always be trapped behind Carmelo Anthony. Eduardo Najera isn't a major cog this year. Petrie loves big fellows (Kleiza's 6'8) who can shoot (Kleiza's TS% is up around .579).

I think Petrie could squeeze a first-round pick out of either deal, but it'd be more likely in the Kleiza/Najera package. The Kleiza/Najera trade could probably happen the second Carmelo Anthony returns from injury, which should be any day. The Nene deal might need to wait until Nene can get back on the court, which will likely be much closer to the trade deadline, if then.

Poll on the right. Your comments below.

UPDATE: An interpretation of how this conservation between the actual actors involved might have went.

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No for me on Nene
I like him as a player, but the health issues and most importantly the contract length scares me.  If Petrie somehow wrangles a #1 as well, the Kleiza/Najera deal is a no-brainer.
Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Jan 31, 2008 9:57 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Draft Time!

A decent Lottery Pick and an additional #1 could mean an even better Lottery Pick, and that could mean Michael Beasley. Minnestoa doesn't need a Power Forward and Miami needs another scorer and...Beasley will be gone long before Sacto drafts... but we all have dreams...

by rbiegler on Jan 31, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

dude...
Amick article link is broken. Totally killed the suspense. Any chance you can re-link?

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 10:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kleiza-Najera and a Pick Could Work
There's too much risk with Nene.

Najera would be a decent compliment to our front line, but he is not a post-up guy, more of hustle and get offensive boards kind of guy. Like Harpring, he can also play the hack man role.

Najera is similar in talent to Mikki, and similar also in age at 31, but is a better passer and is a little less turnover prone.

If you are complaining about Artest shooting too much, you won't be happy with Kleiza. Averages a little more than an assist per game, while Ron averages more than 4 a game. But he's a better outside shooter, better free throw shooter and, perhaps surprisingly, is a slightly better rebounder. He's also a little less turnover prone. He's also only 23.

If they throw in first-rounder for 2009, it's probably a decent deal. Then, if you can deal Bibby for another big man and a competent point guard, you probably have a decent core group to go forward with.

Mention of this deal might get the other teams that are interested in Ron on the horn, and maybe we can get something better.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 10:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

2009 Pick
I say 2009 in the hopes that Denver slides a bit next year and maybe the pick ends up being higher than it would if we got their pick for next year.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Do the Nuggets have a first round pick?
or do they still owe Philly for the AI trade.

Nene's health concerns and I don't just mean the testicular cancer issues scare me. Nene still isn't fully healed from the major knee injury he suffered 2 years ago. I fear that he could really do a Ralph Sampson type number on the Kings franchise if he can't play again.

I guess sometimes you have to role the dice and try to make something happen, I just don't know if Nene is the right guy to gamble on.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 10:23 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agree on Nene
And the five years remaining on his deal could really hamstring the team long-term if his health issues continue.
Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Jan 31, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Deal with Dallas and the Nets
If Dallas is really going to put a deal together with the Nets and get rid of Devin Harris and Stackhouse, they are going to need to get some outside shooters back. Maybe we can be part of a three-way in a deal where we end up with Harris and a big (Brandon Bass?) while dealing Bibby.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Or Maybe Not
If Dallas takes on Kidd's salary, it'd be hard to see where they'd be able to take on Bibby's as well.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 10:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bibby
would probably be headed to NJ in that three way deal.
balls to the walls

by kangsfan on Jan 31, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't Say I Like This
Three-Way with Dallas and New Jersey

But it works.

Dallas gets Kidd.

New Jersey gets Miller and Bibby.

The Kings get Harris, Stackhouse, Bass and Dampier.

I like Harris and Bass, but the other two only make sense if you can then package them in another trade.

Can you imagine Harris and Martin racing down the court? Could be a lot of fun.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 10:58 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Well This is Interesting
Kings Get McGrady

Dallas gets Kidd.

New Jersey gets Miller and Bibby.

The Kings get McGrady, Harris and Bass.

Houston gets Stackhouse and Dampier.

Not sure Houston is interested it this unless a pick is thrown in, or maybe someone like Sean Williams, and they probably would want a different piece than Dampier since they have Yao.

It also leaves the Kings without a true center. In other words, the same thing we have now. Or maybe we start giving Hawes and Justin Williams more burn. Actually, that's not a bad thought.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The problem here
Is that you're missing the elephant in the room.

Artest.

You remember, the head case Kobe wannabe who is opting out at the end of the season if he's still here...

Any trade scenario you come up with that doesn't include Artest gone by the deadline (3 weeks from today) is a non-starter.

I'm not saying Bibby and Miller aren't tradeable, but they probably have more value to our team than they do out in the open market. Personally, I'd like to see us keep Miller as long as he's going to play the way he has been. And Bibby has been playing more like a point guard since his return, and you won't find a better in trade.

As for Nene, I've never been a fan, he seems fragile, and his contract is a nightmare. So if we're voting, count me as a solid NO.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 31, 2008 11:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nope
I am assuming the Artest for Najera-Kleiza and a pick deal gets done.

That would mean we dump Miller, Bibby and Artest and end up with:

  • C - Hawes, Williams.
  • PF - Moore, Bass, Najera.
  • SF - McGrady, Kleiza, Garcia.
  • SG - Martin, Salmons, Garcia, Douby, Jones.
  • PG - Harris, Udrih, Douby.

Still too weak up front, although the depth is better. Also, still too many wings.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

re: Nope
Also, still too many wings.

Maybe they'd ship back a case of Bleu Cheese dressing to help us out.
Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Jan 31, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ouch
that was bad, my man....really bad ;-)

by Kusian on Jan 31, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Still
Your projected roster is terribly guard heavy.

And I'm not big on the addition of TMac, either. He's an often-injured small 3 who needs a lot of shots.

Najera is a banger, but he can only play limited minutes and isn't really big enough to guard any elite-level 4's.

And would you really be comfortable starting Hawes and having his only back-up be Williams?

I'm not.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 31, 2008 11:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Center Backup and TMac
Right now your backup center in some lineups is Mikki, and Artest was even forced into that duty. Any of the PFs can play a little center.

We'd be a pretty dynamic lineup with Tmac and have a good supporting cast for when he is injured.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Why
Why would you trade for a guy you know to be injury prone, regardless of who's backing him up?

And how could you possibly imagine Mikki or Hawes being able to stop any of the elite PFs or Centers?

Your line-up doesn't solve any of our problems, it just makes the ones we already have worse.

It's trading for the sake of trading, and while the Maloofs might occasionally push for that, Petrie would rather join Brad for a can of Skoal than make moves that didn't make sense.

And I can't remember Artest EVER being the biggest guy on the floor.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 31, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Knicks Game
>>And I can't remember Artest EVER being the biggest guy on the floor.<<

When he had to cover Eddy Curry. And did a pretty admirable job of it, I might add. I think Brad and Mikki had both fouled out.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Difference of Opinion
You improve the point guard situation dramatically with Harris and get younger in the process.

You add a perennial All-Star in McGrady and basically trade Miller for Bass and Najera.

You end up with a Denver draft pick and keep your own pick.

You give Spencer some valuable playing time.

You get rid of three guys who aren't part of the future picture.

You probably have a more tradable commodity in McGrady than the three guys we have now.

And you have a possible sleeper in Bass.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ick
McGrady has missed 61 of the 209 games that the Rockets have played in the last two and half seasons. His spine makey me nervous (interpret that however you like).
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by section214 on Jan 31, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If by spine you mean vagina.
oh, and the post below this is aimed at coolcat.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You reply to your own post quite frequently.
The Kings will never trade for T-Mac. Houston isn't going to take Stackhouse and Dampier for T-Mac even if you throw in Jefferson let alone Williams. I find your trade ideas lacking any substantive value. But hell, keep posting wack trades, maybe one of them will fly and then you can reply to yourself.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Naysayer
Actually I was relying to LeaguePassAddict's points.

Feel free to post something constructive. Maybe even your own whack trades or an improvement on what I threw out there.

I am not saying the trade makes total sense, but it beats your contribution to this thread. Not that that's very hard to do.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 1:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Was that a line from "Bring it On"?
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you think I'm a divisive prick JJ
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pookey, coolcat is your antithesis.
You think the Kings can't get anything for their players and coolcat is talking Harris and T-Mac. I don't think the Kings could get both of those players if they offered up everyone including Martin and Garcia. I think we can all meet in the middle.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just being amusing for my own reasons
I suppose JJ. I don't really care that much about what value fans agree on.

As far as undervaluing talent I don't really do that either. I just know Bibby doesn't have as much as value as I'm sure you would like. THERE is a large difference, and I'm not arguing the point either, which is all I care about pointing out.

As far as upselling deals I just rolled my eyes at coolcat. I already called him Don Quixote for saying keep Artest and trade Martin.

(Side Note JJ: Do you know how to post diaries on AN?--This intro diary thing is kicking my ass--and no I'm not posting anything on AN.)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry dude, I am computer challenged.
I still don't know how to link or blue box.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hawes
Hawes isn't ready to start and GP would not put him in that position.  He's got way too much growing - physically and mentally - before he's anywhere near ready for starting minutes.  Another couple of years playing back-up is a perfect track for young Mr. Hawes.

by Kusian on Jan 31, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Najera
Currently averaging more than 20 minutes a game. That's probably about as much as the Kings would use him.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 12:11 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Gotta be honest
Artest has been on an erratic spell of late, with his public displays including the on-floor tirade at coach Reggie Theus while playing Detroit on Jan. 18 and his bizarre antics at Utah on Friday that led to his ejection after two technicals. Privately, sources close to the team said he has exploded at Theus numerous times in recent weeks while growing frustrated with the season and the first-year coach.
I'm surprised Amick even mentioned Artest's problems. Good. That's good reporting; and not the bullpuckey he was spewing about Bibby a couple weeks ago.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 1:04 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kind of wish he would keep that shit under his hat
until after Artest is traded.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No Nene
I wouldn't want Nene if he was healthy.  That contract is a killer, and has Nene ever put up any sort of decent numbers for more than a few weeks at a time?  This is his 6th year.  The guy is all "potential" and no production.

I'd take the Artest for Najera/Kleiza deal in a minute - 1st round pick or not.  Not that I'm high on either guy, but it gets rid of Artest before the inevitable blowup.

by Carl on Jan 31, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Lesser of two evils
I am not doing back flips over either trade.

It looks like Najera comes off the books at the end of the year and Kleiza is dirt cheap, so maybe it assures you the ability to re-sign Udrih even if you can't/don't move Bibby. But it flies in the face of Petrie's notion that you don't trade a more talented player for a less talented player.

Nene is a career 11 and 6 guy and barely blocks a shot a game. Petrie loves him so I'll defer to him as the expert, but I'm just not seeing it.

Too bad Camby isn't part of the equation. He makes $8 million next year and $7.7 million the year after that, and for that you get 14 boards and 4 blocks per game. That would look pretty nice playing alongside Brad.

Oh, and be sure and click on the update that TZ added. Very funny stuff.

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by section214 on Jan 31, 2008 1:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You can do backflips?
If Eddy can come off the books at the end of the season, it's not terrible. But it still doesn't improve us at PF.
Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 31, 2008 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no spine
I was the prototype for the Slinky.
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by section214 on Jan 31, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So you were Slinky in Toy Story?
Awesome!
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 2:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes,
Except for the action scenes - Peaches was my stunt double...he's spineless, too.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No wonder everybody likes you
You were liked before you were known.

For an idea on how people use diaries, visit SB Nation's flagship blog, Athletics Nation. It can be a breaking news item, a soliloquy on the state of Sign Guy or an attempt to unload some extra obstructed view tickets in section 214. Whatever. Just do it. DO it.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 7:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Denver would be a totally
willing trade partner. I already tried to post at Pickaxe & Roll, but the new stupid diary thing won't allow me to post because it can't figure out what an intro is. Or some such nonsense. Anywayz....

I think as far as Denver goes for them Najera & Kleiza would be ideal as a trade partner. That 1st round pick might be a sticking point if only because the Nuggest are cheap. They may not feel Artest is the type they should be dealing for.

If I'm the Kings I don't take excessive salary for Artest in return. Only if I can dump his salary starting next season is he even worth trading to Denver for.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 1:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think Denvedr wil dance but I'm with you on
dumping at this point as long as the Kings get a pick. I think the Najera could help this team in the short term, he certainly will do the dirty work. Salmons replaces Ron-Ron and the Kings don't miss much of a beat. I think Denver would make a deal because they really need to get something going before AI get any older.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Devin Harris/Brandon Bass
Complicated trades blow up for obvious reasons, because it's hard for all the parts to make sense.

I don't think T-Mac is a great fit in Sacramento, but when you try to get involved in a Jason Kidd trade with Houston as a trading partner, that's the likely name to pop up.

You guys are saying we wouldn't want T-Mac. I just think Houston may be coming to that conclusion as well.

My real interest is in Devin Harris, because it looks like he is going to be available and he is a star point guard on the rise. He's better than Bibby, who is probably going to be dealt, and he's better than Udrih, who can still be a nice backup. Harris can also play some 2 guard.

I also like what I have seen of Brandon Bass. Dallas has given him increasing playing time and he has responded well. I'm not saying he's the second coming of Dwight Howard, but he's a lot more productive than Mikki Moore and a lot cheaper and younger.

If we pick up Kleiza, Francisco or someone of our wings including Bibby is going to be trade bait.

Bottom line in my opinion: we need to improve at the 1, 3, 4 and 5 positions to be more competitive in the West. We have some chips (Miller, Bibby, Artest, extra wings) to offer to make that happen, but Petrie needs to pull the trigger. Not just to make a trade, but to make a difference in this team's future.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 2:08 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ay, senor
I think whats going on is your trying to improve the team all-around now - so whilst your trades look good for the current season, everyone who is peeking the next few years gets a nasty reaction.

We do need to improve the 1,3,4 and 5. But we do that by getting solid pieces we can depend on for the future at those positions who can grow into legitimate contributions. One might argue we have Shawes for the five, so what we're looking for when we trade Bibby or Artest is a 1, a 3 or a 4 - or oppurtunities to get one of them via the draft. Whilst Nene is high-risk, he could be high-reward and is there for the next 5 (which is bad if he's not good, but if Petrie likes him, I like him - Petrie is pretty good with the whole "eye-for-talent" thing), plus he matches up pretty nice athletically next to Shawes, and has energy.

Nene being the possible failed expectation, the Kleiza-Najera is another offer that's very intriguing. Kleiza is a sick shooter, cheap, and would be the outside-sharp-shooter everyone needs (plus he gets trained by Thorpe - the guy who helps Kmart and Cisco, so you know he's getting better).

Thogh, no one has yet to explain to me why the Nuggets would want this trade. I mean, they're pretty good defensively, Melo is a great three, and I'm not sure how great Iverson, Melo, and Artest would be together on the floor - they all need the ball to score. Throw in JR Smith, and reduce them to a Kenyon-Camby combo or take out the outside-help from Kleiza, and I'll be at a loss for how the team would operate. I'm sure Karl's got ideas, but holy bejeezles - this would be a big (physical stature) line-up:

Iverson
Melo
Artest
Martin
Camby

And they'll all be fast enough to kill small-ballers. Actually, never mind. I understand now. I think with Artest, the Nuggets beat the Spurs. They beat the Suns. They pound the Mavericks. And then they look East.

So, question self-answered.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nasty Reaction
I am not sure how getting Devin Harris as a running mate for Kevin Martin doesn't set you up for the future pretty nicely. Bass is more of a project, but he doesn't hurt much if he doesn't pan out. Naturally you never know with any draft picks we may get.

T-Mac, of course, could hurt you because of being injury-prone. Kind of the Nene argument. In those trades I bandied about, it's probably still a wash because Bibby, Artest and Miller are not exactly "solid pieces we can depend on for the future." And these guys aren't exactly injury-free either.

Dumping Miller officially puts you into rebuild mode. But giving Spencer Hawes more playing time is how he's going to improve. I don't think he's going to do it four minutes at a time.  

by coolcatreportdotcom on Jan 31, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh it does
Devin Harris is nice, but us getting him is tough, and unsubstantiated at best (not to mention the oft-mentioned multiple-team-complexity). Outside of that crazy-huge-NJ-trade-rumor, Devin Harris hasn't been shopped before. Hence, most everyone here was ready to dismiss it before it even stood a chance at being considered, so understand the sentiment that those trades are "wack" - though I really shouldn't be talking, because I've thrown out a bunch of my own all the time, and they're all more ridiculous than the last (my thanks to the greater community for not calling me out yet).

I could be wrong with this, but I think everyone reading this thread was responding to that little nugget (sadly, pun intended) that Amick threw our way, and now extending it to the possibilities (because lets face it: dreaming up trades are fun, you know).

We lost track of the question, it seems. Is Nene or Kleiza+Najera good enough? Do you think Petrie considers it seriously? Can we milk anything more out of it?

I like Kleiza (reasons listed below), I like that Najera expires and we can turn that into Beno-for-a-while, and I like the idea that we should get a 2009 pick rather than a 2008. If we get those three items, I say go for it. Would Petrie do that? Not sure, he's giving up a load of talent for not a lot of return - and the Maloofs wouldn't like the forces-us-into-rebuilding-result TZ discussed. Plus, we'll be sooo wing-heavy, that trading Bibby has to come hand-in-hand with this trade, so I don't think this gets pulled off unless Petrie sees the other coming. Can Petrie get anything more out of this? I dunno, give 'em Justin Williams/Douby and we take back JR? Who knows.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

View from a Nuggets Fan
First of all, thanks to pookeyguru for pointing out this potential trade on Pickaxe and Roll.  The one day I have work to do at work I miss a hot trade rumor.

I never thought I would endorse a trade for Ron Artest, but this is how disappointing the Nuggets have been this season.  I would trade Kleiza and Najera for Artest, but there is no way I would throw in a first round pick as part of the deal.  The Nuggets traded for AI to win a title and this team as constituted will not do that.  They still probably wouldn't with Artest on board, but they have a much better shot.

Also, after sampling that you tube video I think someone needs to update Kleiza's top ten plays.  I remember a shot he had at Arco earlier this season...

Pickaxe and Roll - an SB Nation Denver Nuggets Blog

by Jeremy on Jan 31, 2008 4:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Ouch
I remember a shot he had at Arco earlier this season...

Why don't you just mention Robert Horry while you're here?  :)
Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Jan 31, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was only a meaningless regular season game...
I did not think it was that painful.

Besides it will help you guys get a better draft pick.

Pickaxe and Roll - an SB Nation Denver Nuggets Blog

by Jeremy on Jan 31, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

View from a Kings fan stuck in Colorado
I love basketball, and the Kings are never televised here so I tend to watch a fair amount of Nuggets games.  Personally, I think Kleiza is a great prospect (as has been mentioned by several people here, is only 23).  Najera provides energy, and could be a good player to include in future trade discussions.  That being said, they would not help any of Sacramento's current problems.  Nene fills a current need, but (as has also been mentioned here many times) is injury prone thus far into his career.  I'd much rather see Nene in a Kings jersey though.  He's a big guy, and he can bang down low.  He manages to get in Duncan's head a lot.  And the ultimate clincher, my Nuggets-fan roommate would rather see the Kleiza/Najera deal happen, so it must be better.
In Geoff we trust...

by Exhibit G on Jan 31, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How about
GP just calls Isiah and it goes something like this:

GP "Isiah, I hear your still interested in Artest."

Isiah "Well, I've got to do something to save my job. But I'm not giving up Lee."

GP "Right, right. That guy you never play more than twenty minutes a night.What I was actually wondering is if you're looking at picking up anyone else?"

Isiah "You mean like for some kind of three team deal."

GP "Something like that. I've already talked to McHale and I've got his wish list."

Isiah spouts off a dozen big name players with huge contracts. GP writes furiously.

Isiah "Stay in touch man. And let me know what happens."

GP hangs up the phone and finished crossing the names Isiah gave him off a list of possible trade options. Interestingly enough, most of them are on McHale's list too.

GP "Well at least I won't screw up too bad."

by SavageBeast on Jan 31, 2008 5:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kleiza pls
Any one who can beat us with a buzzer-beating shot should be a part of our roster. Is Horry available? Seriously, Kleiza is blossoming into a very fine player. I think he can play the 4 spot from time to time

by kingme on Jan 31, 2008 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

No.
I like him, alot. But if he's playing the four, somebody screwed up, big time.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Every once in awhile
I like to go back through the back pages of this site. I found an interesting nugget featuring a diary long long ago:

It may be presumptuous to include a King, since Sacramento is still fighting just to get into the playoffs. But I'm almost positive the Kings are going to make it and probably climb as high as seventh. Martin is one of the reasons why. A second-year player out of Western Carolina, he is a lightning-quick all-purpose guard who can shoot (he's close to 50 percent from the field and goes about 85 percent from the line) and defend. Rookie swingman Francisco Garcia is another relatively unknown King, but Martin has been GM Geoff Petrie's real find.

Unfortunately the link to the article has expired. Oui.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 7:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious
So I clicked "open in new browser" on that one, and left it there for a bit, walked away, came back and started reading, and I was completely like wtf? Steve Kerr has power rankings, shouldn't he be managing the Suns? Wait, these teams we're playing... that doesn't make any sense. Cisco is out? Really? wtf happened? when did this happen? omg, wow.

Then, I read the quote on the bottom, and started laughing becuase it was the same quote in your post.

I'm an idiot.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A trade idea......
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=285~2435~3032~25&teams=23~23~23~4& te=&cash=

The Bulls definitely need some inside punch and Artest may still be welcome in Chi town. Kings get the best of both worlds, a young power and 2 expiring contracts. This deal would help both teams in the short term, Artest might be willing to stick it out in Chicago or go to NY via sign and trade since the Knicks and Bulls have such a good trade relationship. The Kings free up the space to sign Udrih and if Thomas doesn't develop the Kings can cut ties quickly.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 10:05 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

wow.
Outta nowhere with that one. Petrie'll never pull the trigger. Plus, the Bulls'll rather use Tyrus to get that lowpost presence (no, not Artest) they've been seeking. Plus, his contract'll make it more difficult to fit in Deng's and Gordon's, and Artest will take up Nocionis role on the team (backup 3 that also plays the 4). Not worth it for either team.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A trade idea...
I think that Griffin is actually signed through next year, though for only $1.8 million. Thomas is a very suspect shooter, which makes me wonder if GP would be interested in him. I think that he could be a double/double plus two blocks a game guy. I don't know that the Bulls would be interested here, as they already have Deng and Nocioni at the three. With a younger Ben Wallace you could probably play Ron at the 4 but I'm not sure if you could get away with it now - Garnett and 'Sheed would probably eat him up.

The other thing is the Bulls might want to hold on to every player they have signed for less than the MLE as they will have to contend with Gordon and Deng's contracts next year (did they already extend Nocioni?).

All in all, if the Bulls wanted to make this deal I probably like it better than the Denver deals, as Thomas is less than half the price of Nene and he is not another 3 like Klieza.

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by section214 on Jan 31, 2008 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha
Said what I meant with more sense. Sweet.

by iashwash on Jan 31, 2008 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Artest would be a nice back-up plan.
The Bulls have the pieces to be a run and gun team and playing Artest and Wallace together would be very productive. The Bulls could move to Noah as their starting 4 and move Deng to the 2. Gordon, Duhon, Noccioni, and Smith is a pretty good bench. Noah and Thomas are pretty interchangeable, so if you prefer him then:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=25~3198~285~2435~3224&teams=4~23~23~23 ~23&te=&cash=

The Bulls play in the East which means they have another month or two to get things going.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm
Here is Chicago's salary for this season & the next 3. You are right Section. Griffin doesn't come off until NEXT season. He makes 1.711 million next season btw.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffin is pretty much a non-factor in the trade.
Maybe the Kings can toss in Douby and replace Griffin with Duhon if that make you guys more comfortable.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~2435~3032~25~3000&teams=23~23~23~ 4~4&te=&cash

or

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3198~2377~2435~3224~25~3000&teams=23~2 3~23~23~4~4&te&cash=

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Jan 31, 2008 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's no doubt about that in any way
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Jan 31, 2008 11:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Just trying to think of a way to get a cheap...
young power and some expiring contracts so the Kings can sign Beno. The Kings don't need a shooter, just a banger with shot blocking ability. Thomas may never pan out but then again he could develop late like Tyson Chandler. The Bulls need a shot in the arm and Noah and Thomas are duplicate position players. I give up on anyone taking K-9 and Artest/Bibby.
StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 1, 2008 12:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It will be tough
I would trade K9 for Marko Jaric on the spot though.
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by pookeyguru on Feb 1, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a thought
How much does Jaric make, and when does he come off the books?
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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 1, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's essentially 7 per over the next 3 seasons
average or something like that. His contract runs 1 year longer. Anyway, if I was a team like Miami I would be all over the guy. Shows you how cheap they're owners are.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 1, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas
I like him better than Noah. The Bulls don't play Thomas much and it seems like they have him on a short leash when he does play. He'll get two monster dunks and a block and they take him out. Noah, meanwhile, they could play for a quarter straight while Big Ben sits. I have no idea what those guys are doing and I don't think they do, either.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 1, 2008 12:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Noah plays solid basketball
What looks like missed attempts at rebounding are actually repositions of himself and the basketball to get an otherwise unreboundable ball, what looks an easy layup required fakes, spins, and an understanding of how his opponent would react. The kid knows the game pretty damn well, make no mistake about it. Plus, he loves to win and is a vocal leader.

Now, that being said, Tyrus Thomas is a beast.

by iashwash on Feb 1, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Artest and Ben
I'm not quite sure these guys are ready to go clubbing together. They may be ready to club on each other, however.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 1, 2008 10:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nene a serious No-No
That's really all I've got to say.  Paying players while they are hurt sucks.

The other trade though (including a first rounder) is cool with me.  In Petrie I (frighteningly) trust.

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by 27freethrows on Jan 31, 2008 10:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

please no!!!!
Getting Nene would be a complete disaster.  I would rather see Artest walk after this season than take on a shaky-at-best contract like that and pray that he somehow turns into the player that everyone has been waiting for and stays that way until 2012.  It would completely kill our rebuilding/ getting under the cap efforts.  I would much rather have expiring contracts and draft picks.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Jan 31, 2008 11:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

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