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I was thinking about the universal disdain for Kenny Thomas the other day, and it got me to wondering where he would rank on the list of all time loathed Sacramento Kings?

With a little bit of research and recall I have assembled my list. My list is based on what the presence of these gentlemen did to adversely affect the franchise, and what we could have had instead of them. Two of the guys are among the nicer professional athletes I've ever met, while guys like Tony Massenburg, Keon Clark, OP and Jason Hart (who all pissed and moaned about their role/time here after they left but did nothing at their next stops) are not on the list, as they really did not impact the Kings one way or the other.

For reasons of karma I give both Bobby Hurley and Ricky Berry a pass. Also, I don't recognize Billy Owens or John Wallace, both of whom said prior to their draft that they did not want to come to Sacramento. We traded the rights to Owens for Mitch Richmond and we drafted Peja with Wallace still on the board, so those guys actually helped us.

Joe Kleine  Now, I've made no bones about it, Joe Kleine made me a better King's fan. He was a great guy, and thanks to his on court "performance" I drank a lot more through my young and impressionable years. But we spent our #7 pick of the 1985 draft on him and he averaged 8 and 6 during his stay here. We netted Greg Kite when we traded Joe, and Kite went 3 and 5 for us. Chris Mullin, Detlef Schrempf, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone, Joe Dumars and Terry Porter were all selected after JOOOEEE!!! in the '85 draft.

Derek Smith  1985-86 was the first year for the Kings in Sacramento, and we made the playoffs in spite of a 37-45 record. During the season Derek Smith of the LA Clippers lit us up, and we traded away two established starters (Larry Drew and Mike Woodson) and a draft pick (which I believe became Hersey Hawkins) for Smith and Franklin Edwards. Smith suffred knee injury after knee injury and never produced for us, and we didn't see the playoffs again for over 10 years.

Pervis Ellison  1989 was a crappy year to have the first pick of the draft, though Sean Elliott, Glen Rice, Tim Hardaway and Shawn Kemp were part of this class. The Kings got 34 games out of Ellison, and eventually traded him, receiving Eric Leckner and Bobby Hansen in return.

The Class Of 1990  Let me start by saying that none of these guys were a disaster individually, but if you combine the stats of Lionel Simmons (7th pick), Travis Mays (14th), Duane Causwell (18th) and Anthony Bonner (23rd), you would wind up with a guy that averaged 9 pts., 5 rebs., 2 asts., 1 stl. and 1 blk. over the equivalent of a 14 year career. In other words, we spent four 1st round draft picks and wound up with Mikki Moore.

Mateen Cleaves  This one almost slipped by me as we were so strong at the time nobody really raised a fuss. We needed a backup PG, so we traded Jon Barry to Detroit for Cleaves, who averaged 2 points and less than 1 assist for us in 44 games. He was a great guy and by all accounts a great teammate, but do you think Jon Barry should have yielded a little more than that?

Brad Miller  A solid contributor and a no brainer deal when the Kings made it, as Miller would be the heir apparent for Divac and would continue the formidable front line tandem with C-Webb. But what we wound up with is a guy who can't play to his contract (even when he is playing well) while Hedo Turkoglu earns $6.9 million this year in Orlando and Scot Pollard provides great fodder for the Boston media.

Ralph Sampson  I put this here under my own protest. Sampson did nothing for us after we traded Jim Petersen for him, but Petersen went on to do nothing for Golden State. Sampson's contract did run one year longer than Petersen's at a cost of a couple more million dollars a year, which was not chicken scratch back then, especially under the shoe string ownership that we had at the time.

K9(woof!) Yes, we did get out of Webber's contract. But we also threw Matt Barnes in on that deal to make the numbers work, and Thomas has under performed so badly that he has been impossible to deal, thus circumventing the idea of the trade in the first place. Interesting to note that HoopsHype lists this deal as Petrie's worst trade ever (they call the Webber for Richmond/Thorpe deal as his best trade).

There may be others, but I think right now I need to be dipped for fleas.

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"OP sucks!! OP sucks!!"
This list is meaningless without OP.  

by nbrans on Jan 6, 2008 2:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with NBArans sort of
OP was somewhat effective while here (in no large part to Brian Grant and Michael Smith) ,but what they hey, he was an officer for awhile. No self respecting citizen doesn't hate cops.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 6, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm not an OP fan either
But he only cost us Pete Chilcutt and a couple of 2nd round picks when we got him in '93, and (frighteningly) he was the best center that we had in between LaSalle Thompson and Vlade Divac.
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by section214 on Jan 6, 2008 2:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He should get credit
For threating to work over RE Graswich as well.

by otis29 on Jan 6, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

On a serious note
I think that list is missing Joe Axelson. Joe never played on any of the teams but his decisions kept the team in the dark effectively for a decade. Even then perilous decisions after that kept Petrie from even building a consistent team (it was clear the team had to make the Rauf trade after the 96 season--it just didnt work out).

Of those players I vote Derek Smith. They gutted a young up & coming playoff team. It wasn't Joe Kleine's fault he didn't have the requisite things to be more than he was. It was Axelson's fault for not looking at those types of things before the draft.

Derek Smith on the other hand was a jerk. Nobody liked him; and that was pretty much that. He didn't have much left in the tank and was done by the time he left. So he's probably the single worst acquisition in franchise history probably.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 6, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kusian I just became a Mississippian too
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by pookeyguru on Jan 6, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I buy MIller on this list
Has he performed up to his contract? No. But has he performed significantly worse than should have been expected? I don't think so. He had a crappy out of shape year in 06/07, but overall the main thing he is guilty of is being overpaid not being hated. That is another list entirely--most overpaid Kings.

by SavageBeast on Jan 6, 2008 4:56 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You may be right
But please note, I said nothing about these guys being the most hated. I even said that Kleine and Cleaves were great guys. And I also said the Miller deal needed to be made when it was made. But given that his addition did not net us a championship (not his fault, it was C-Webb's injury that doomed us) and that Hedo is much more fairly priced than Miller, it still has to go down in the end as a deal gone bad. Not a bad guy. Not a bad player. Just a bad deal.
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by section214 on Jan 6, 2008 5:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I can buy that . . .
But loathed still seems a little strong for someone like Miller. Man he looked good playing with Divac that year until Webb came back.

by SavageBeast on Jan 7, 2008 7:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
How can you have a list of most "loathed" Kings players and put Miller on their but not OP? If Miller were traded today and came back to play the Kings, I doubt he would get booed much if at all. Not like OP that's for sure!
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by dalt99 on Jan 7, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Points
by both dalt and the beast. "Loathed" was a poor choice of words as it did not match my stated criteria for assembling the list. "Worst investments" would have been more appropriate. And in Miller's case, he is more a victim of circumstance. Had Webber stayed healthy and we won a championship I'm sure we wouldn't be complaining as much about the salaries of Miller and Bibby.
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by section214 on Jan 7, 2008 8:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

this list is painfully incomplete.
How can you make a list of the most loathed Kings without mentioning Bill Russell and Dick Motta? Not to mention the man we've apparently been cursed with until time ends, Peaches Napear.

by Muff209 on Jan 6, 2008 9:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I was focusing on fleas,
and you went right to ticks, parvo and ringworm.
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by section214 on Jan 6, 2008 10:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we add body parts to this list?
Body parts that Kings fans loathe:
C-Webb's kness
Peja's back
Brad Miller's knees
Bibby's wrist
Pretty much Bobby Jackson's entire body at some point or another

Help me out here, I'm sure I've forgotten a few.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 7, 2008 11:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

How about
Dog, I mean Doug Christie's nerves? Just kidding, Jackie.
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by section214 on Jan 7, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cut L-Train Some Slack
If you look at Lionel Simmons #'s, he was a great pick at #7.  The only problem was the he developed chronic knee problems that slowed him down early in his career.  The other three players we selected in that draft never made a dent, but Lionel could have been an All-Star.
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by DB on Jan 8, 2008 3:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed 100%
Guilt by association for Simmons on this one. He certainly was at least a fair pick at #7. And as you may recall he received a fair amount of love during the "All Times King Roster" series. But as an event the 1990 draft would have to be judged as a failure. The four draft picks were supposed to be the first step in turning the franchise around, and that just did not happen.
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by section214 on Jan 8, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

L-Train!
I'm just saying, an average of about 17-18 points, 8 boards, and over 4 assists through 4 seasons isn't exactly a bust of a pick.  He developed knee problems, what can you do?
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by DB on Jan 8, 2008 5:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Come out early!
Get drafted in '89. That way you won't get lumped in with these other losers!
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by section214 on Jan 8, 2008 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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